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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973-07-25 GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD MEETING Held at Town Hall , Groton , New York Wednesday , July 25 , 1973 8 : 00 P . M . - 9 : 30 P . M . D . Payne - Chairman'* G . Totman - Vice -Chairman* Z . Kane - Secretary* D . Chase* R . Gleason* F . Scheffler* * - Denotes those present . D . Payne : Frank , we haven ' t any minutes to approve from the last meeting because I left them at home . Z . Kane : We ' ll approve them next time with the ones tonight . D . Payne : I don ' t know if any of you have heard but Anthony Ceracche of Ithaca would like to have the cable television for the Town of Groton which would , as I understand it , include the Village of Groton and probably the Hamlet of McLean . Hicks contacted me and said he would like to have a committee from the Planning Board involved with the drawing up of the regulations and requirements according to Federal Regulations that will be used as guidelines for Mr . Ceracche to operate by . He would like a three -member committee from the Planning Board to work with members of the Town Board and I would also assume the Village Board . Z . Kane : Tell him to get us another member so we won ' t have to send half the Planning Board , G . Totman : As I understand it - - I ' m not 1007/o sure McLean wants Cable TV and Ceracche has agreed to bring his line into McLean down the Peruville Road but has to have a certain number of people sign up in order to do this . This is one of the problems he runs into in smaller areas getting enough people to sign up , D . Payne : Mr . Ceracche or his attorney , I ' m not sure which , and Ben Bucko are drawing up guidelines and regulations f , G . Totman : Is this going to be a continuous type committee ? D . Payne : No , strictly for original approval for him to come in and supply the Cable TV , D . Chase : What would our obligations be , Don ? Any idea what kind of - 1 - decision making we would be doing ? D . Payne : I don ' t really know and talking to Hicks he doesn ' t really know either because he hasn ' t heard from Ben or Ceracche since they agreed to draw up the guidelines . G . Totman : If he is coming up through the Lansing area he might con- ceivably drop it in the Peruville area if enough people sign up . R . Gleason : Sorry I ' m late . D . Payne : We have just covered a little bit about what little we know about Ceracche and Cable TV for the Town of Groton . Hicks has requested a three -member panel from the Planning Board be involved with it . I would like some volunteers to serve on this committee . G . Totman : I ' ll very gladly serve on this . There ' s a lot of people in McLean that really want it badly . Some discussion was held on this by Z . Kane , D . Payne , G . Totman and others . D . Chase : I could probably work on it , Don . D . Payne : 0 . K. D . Chase : I don ' t know what it would involve . D . Payne : I don ' t think it would involve too much as far as meeting time is concerned . Well , - - I ' ll volunteer too , then . I spoke with Hicks and he said he had contacted Ken Portzline re . becoming a member of our Planning Board . Ken is still not feeling well and isn ' t sure he could do the job so he refused . So we ' re back to a six -member Board again with no names in the hat that are acceptable to the Town Board . R . Gleason : What happened in April ? There were some members that had to be reappointed , weren ' t there ? Z . Kane : That ' s automatic . Some discussion was held on this by F . Scheffler , Z . Kane and others . D . Payne : Does anybody have any possible suggestions of someone we could contact as a new member for our Planning Board , D . Chase : Is there a certain area we ought to " look for ? D . Payne : At this point should look for just anybody . I did mention to Hicks that Rick LaFrance might but they hadn ' t contacted him as yet and I got a rather cool response . The following names were suggested by various members of the Planning Board : 2 - Don Cummings Ralph Cummings Leona Cummings Harvey Fink Bob Moore Lyle Raymond Al Rohm Charlotte Scheffler Don Slocum Barbara Steger Marion Steger Doug Wilson . It was decided that D . Payne would leave a list of the above names on Hicks Dow ' s desk for his use at the next Town Board meeting . D . Payne : I have just received a notification from the New York State Planning Federation regarding the Annual Planning and Zoning Institute meeting . Z . Kane : We all got that , didn ' t we ? D . Payne : Did you ? I didn ' t know - - this concerns their 35th Annual Planning and. Zoning Institute Meeting which is to be held October 21 - 23 in Ellenville , N . Y . Z . Kane : That ' s down towards New York City , D . Payne : I contacted Hicks and he said the Town will pay the expenses for 2 members of the Planning Board to attend these meetings . The agenda looks quite interesting .. Hicks said he would like to see more of our members go but due to other commitments such as State . and Town meetings where Ben and the Town Board will go and some members of the Board of Appeals would go to this meeting so he felt it would have to be limited to two members . It would begin on a Sunday afternoon for registra - tion and checking into the hotel . Any volunteers ? G . Totman : I ' d just as soon go but would concede to any new member that hasn ' t been as far as expenses go if somebody wants to go that hasn ' t gone before and I ' ll probably go anyway . D . Chase : It is Sunday and Monday ? D . Payne : Registration on Sunday and meetings on Monday and Tuesday . Frank? F . Scheffler : I don ' t know - - it ' s a bad time of the year for me . D . Payne : Same for you , Roger ? R . Gleason : It ' s right in corn time . D . Payne : Zana ? Z . Kane : I can ' t go . - 3 - D . Payne : Don? D . Chase : I don ' t know , - - it sounds sort of interesting but I don ' t know what my schedule is right then but I might consider it . F . Scheffler : What ' s the latest time you have to know ? D . Payne : Any reservations received after October llth . . . . . . we do have to know if we are going to use both openings that Hicks has given us so he can bring it up at the next Board meeting . G . Totman : Put it in for two . Don and I will put in for it and if anyone else wants to go they can go . If you know you want to go should send the reservations in early and get the better rooms . D . Payne : 0 . K. We ' ll leave it this way , if for any reason either one of you don ' t go , I will . Z . Kane : You have to go anyway . You ' re the chairman and you ' ve never gone . D . Payne : Well , - -why don ' t we give Hicks three names . Z . Kane : Put in for 3 - - can ' t lose anything . G . Totman : Put in for 3 and wait til after the meeting to see what they are going to do - - you have to pay the reservation out of your own money and then after you get all done you submit your bill to the Town Board and get reimbursed when you get back . D . Payne : Is there a limitation on expenses , George ? F . Scheffler : $ 150 , isn ' t it ? G . Totman : You don ' t pay that much actually , - - the only expense you ' re going to have is your trip down and back and $ 27 . 50 day while you ' re there . Your room also covers your meals . Some discussion was held on this by all present . D . Payne : George also handed me when he walked in - - apparently a special type of meeting-, - -. G . Totman : It ' s a planning seminar put on by the University of Pennsylvania and the registration fee is $ 125 . D . Payne : Out of our class for individuals and the Town Board . As you are all aware there was a joint meeting scheduled to be held by the Village Planning Board and Town Planning Board . This meeting was cancelled and I think maybe we ought to be thinking in terms of scheduling another one . I think one of the reasons - 4 - for this meeting , - - -Mrs . Blatchly told George was the possibility of this trailer park . G . Totman : Yes , they have a request for a trailer park and are not familiar at all with it and one of the things she had in mind was for the Town and Village Planning Boards to meet monthly or so in areas where they have some similarity . D . Payne : I can contact Mrs . Blatchly . Is there a date where we could all agree to be here ? I think the first two weeks in August is out because Smith -Corona will be out on vacation which will mean quite a few people will be away so maybe we could make this for our first meeting in September . D . Chase : That ' s O . K. with me . D . Payne : 0 . K . G . Totman : That was when she made the request for the first week in June . D . Payne : That was for another reason at that time to also discuss their zoning ordinance as well as the trailer park . G . Totman : They still have not resolved the trailer park request . If that trailer park goes in that ' s being proposed for the Village , the people then are going to turn around and ask for the same type of change in the ordinance from the Town so they can extend their land where the extension in the Town borders . Z . Kane : Where is it? G . Totman : Up in back of VanBenschoten ' s barn . D . Payne : I ' m not familiar with this request for a trailer park or what it involves . Some discussion was held on this by G . Totman , F . Scheffler and others . R . Gleason : It must be on Doug Wilson ' s land . G . Totman : It is , - -he and Dutch are going 50 -50 on it . R . Gleason : That would be a good place for one - could hide it up there very nicely . More discussion was held on this by D . Payne , R . Gleason and others . D . Payne : This is something that would be discussed at the joint meeting . Don McCoy stopped in tonight before the meeting . He called Zana today concerning a subdivision he is planning or has possibilities of . His concern is , as everybody ' s has been lately , why are we trying to hold him up . He feels that his subdivision as he would use it would be a minimum size of one acre lots . They would very probably have 150 ft . frontage minimum . He was kind of interested as to how long it would - 5 - take once he sold his second lot to get approval for a minor subdivision . I did advise him of what would be required like a surveyor ' s map , Board of Health approval and I think he was satisfied when he left . R . Gleason : Where is this going to be , Zana? Z . Kane : He mentioned Stage Road to me . There ' s an A frame house up there , believe it ' s on that same piece of land farther down . D . Payne : I assured him that once he was guaranteed of the sale of his second lot that we would do everything possible to get it through with as little delay as possible provided he had everything we require to look at . Some discussion was held on this by G . Totman , Z . Kane , D . Payne and others . D . Payne : He would make original sketch for his whole piece of land and then he would just come back to us and let us make a deviation from the original sketch if he wanted to increase the size of the lot . D . Payne : There would still be no problem as long as he makes them bigger lots . Z . Kane : That ' s it . As long as he doesn ' t make them any smaller , and I mentioned the Board of Health and he said he knew all about that . D . Payne : He is aware of the Regulations of the Subdivision Ordinance and he , as I said , has two main concerns - - if he changed the size of the lot would he be held up for any length of time and if he met all of our regulations would he then be held up for a long time before he could sell the lot . Z . Kane : Look how fast we put Mrs . Lyon ' s through . We could do the same thing for him . D . Payne : Does anybody else have anything they would like to bring up at this meeting ? G . Totman : There are two 4 - family apartment houses completed in McLean . D . Chase : Whereabouts are they ? G . Totman : They are on Champlin Road where the creek crosses - - just after you cross the creek . Z . Kane : On a piece of land I never realized was there . D . Payne : I did discuss that with Hicks . He said that they did meet zoning regulations . They do look to me like they are very close together but I don ' t know how much additional land there is . G . Totman : He had to buy some more land . - 6 - Z . Kane : There ' s a place - - right on the Townline Road between us and Cayuga County . Anyways right where the Town of Groton begins is a road that turns up . R . Gleason : Sears Rd . Z . Kane : Right there , there are two homes which must have been somebody ' s subdivision at some time which we never heard anything about . R . Gleason : One is a replacement of a trailer and the other is owned by another person . G . Totman : This Cable TV Committee , is that to wait for directions from the Town Board before they hold meetings ? D . Payne : We have to wait until Ben and Mr . Cerachhe , or his attorney , get finished drawing up these proposed guidelines in a legal manner so they can be used by the Committee . Nothing can be done until this is completed . As of this date , there ' s no completion date set for the drawing up of these regulations so apparently. it will -be awhile and , as I understand it , after the Committee is formed and meets would be a minimum of six months before the whole deal could be completed because it involves Federal regulations which I don ' t think , at this time , any of us are familiar with . Another interesting situation came up since our last meeting , - - I don ' t know if any of you know Leonard Adams on Route 222 . He , or his son , applied for a building permit and was informed by Dana that he was a part of a subdivision since his Father had just bought a house and sold a house and his other son was in the process of building a house and now he applied for a permit to put a trailer home in back of his Father ' s new house . :- He called me up and I tried to clear up some points with him but didn ' t have much success . Then he contacted Hicks and the way it ended up was the trailer home was put under trailer regula - tions and there was no subdivision involved as determined by the Town Attorney . ]I guess the son that was in the process of building a house had already had possession of the land for 12 years - - I don ' t know how the other areas were cleared up but it was determined was not considered to be a subdivision since it was a trailer home involved . He ' s gone am and talking about getting away with it ever since . Some discussion was held on this by Z . Kane , G . 9btman , D . Payne and others . D . Payne : Have you heard any more concerning your plans , Roger ? R . Gleason : I ' m waiting to see if the second is going to go because if it doesn ' t won ' t be worth spending the time and the money on it . D . Payne : Any other areas to be covered ? D . Chase : No , I don ' t have anything . Z . Kane : Do you have any definite time that we will be meeting again or - 7 - will I wait til I hear from you and phone everybody ? D . Payne : Why not leave it right now that there ' s no definite meeting date set but will definitely have one in September and if something comes up before concerning the Cable TV or other problems we ' ll hold one in August . As soon as I get an answer from Hicks on this New York Planning Federation meeting , I will let you both know . Also as soon as I hear anything at all on the Cable TV I ' ll let you both know . Seems like you both are the main two I have to contact , eh ? D . Chase : I move that the meeting be adjourned . R . Gleason : I second the motion . (Motion carried . ) Res ectfully submitted , Jos phone Bell - 8 -