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GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Held at the Town Hall
Groton , N . Y .
Wednesday , October 18 , 1972 - 8 : 00 P . M . - 10400 P . M .
G . Totman - Chairman%% H . Dow - Town Supervisor
R . Cotanch * F . Liguori - County Planning Board%'
D . Payne*
Z . Kane * J . Bell*
F . Scheffler*
R . Gleason
- Denotes Those Present .
G . Totman : At our last Planning Board meeting we decided to have just a
special meeting tonight to visit with Mr . Liguori and that is
the topic and the only reason for our meeting tonight so for
those of you who have not met Mr . Liguori let me introduce
him to each of you .
What I asked Frank about doing tonight is to acquaint our Board
with the County Board and what he feels the Town Planning Boards '
relationship should be with the County Planning Board and what
help each can give the other and I thought maybe you might give
us your thoughts and observations on that , Frank , and then we
could ask questions .
F . Liguori : Let me start out by giving you an idea of what we are trying to
do at the County level . The County Planning Board was originally
a little different than it has been in most counties because we
felt one of the things that is important to county level planning
is the need for a good deal of input and communication with the
towns , villages and cities .
Under State law the County is not authorized to get into any of
the land use controls , which are strictly a function of the
towns , cities and villages . We have no zoning or subdivision
controls at the county level except controls like the Health
Department . We don ' t have mobile home controls , - - these are all
delegated to the towns , cities and villages , - - there has been one
exception to that in the past year , - - agricultural zoning wherein
the State has given the County authority to establish agricultural
zones and , as you know , there is one pending now for the Town of
Groton .
We aren ' t involved in the day to day problems of zoning and sub -
division controls and so on . However , we are extremely interested
in them because they are tools that are used throughout the County
in towns , cities and villages , to carry out controls for land use
under plans developed in each town .
One of the areas that we have extreme interest in is how best to
utilize land use controls to accomplish the kind of things that
seem to be indicated . You have the direct responsibility for this
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F . Liguori : and we have the responsibility to piece the whole thing together
and come up with a rational thing . In that particular connection
we have completed an existing land use study of the entire county
and have incorporated into our plan the land use studies of the
Town of Groton , Danby and other towns that have these plans and
our next phase is projection of that data and to come up with a
land use plan . All of this is part of a general plan at the
County level similar to the plan you have at the town level and
we are hopeful they can be integrated where it seems applicable , - -
all of the town plans , - - and will then interject new ideas as
appropriate and arrive at a general plan for the development of
the entire County .
We are concerned about the physical characteristics , natural
resources , fiscal resources , environmental and also about
economic development .
Looking now into what makes the County tick from the standpoint
of economics , - -where are our strengths in the local economy or
kind of manpower we have and is it adequate , - -what do we need to
do in the future to make sure we have a viable economy . We are
also involved in the social functions which at the Town level you
very seldom get into , - - like health planning , education , hospitals ,
drugs , and so on and we are trying to bring some order in our own
minds as to how they interact to each other .
What our role is , in terms of their activities , - - do we have a
role in that area or not , - -but we are trying to identify where
we fit into this whole picture of social planning if you want
to call it that .
We are involved in those three main things and culture , - - how the
County functions from a cultural point of view , - - all of these
things will be brought together in a general plan for the County
and we are well along with that , - - have produced about 6 documents
during the past year which will be available to you people in a
short time and we have completed the inventory phase and - are now
well into the analysiz phase , - -projections , - -and hopefully in
another year or year and a half will draw up a general plan similar
to your general plan . That , I think , is one of our prime functions
at the County level . We are not living in a vacuum , - - there is
planning going on all around us , - - at the town levels , village levels ,
school levels , Cornell University and Ithaca College , - -you just name
them , - -all of these activities are being formulated and in order for
us to somehow or other get the feel of the grand picture we have to
have some feel as to what these other organizations are doing because
they have a legal responsibility . Our function is to serve as a
resource to make available the kind of things we have in terms of
information and so on and so forth , - - to make it useful to them and
to draw up their plan . As we draw up the plan we need input from
then so we can see if this fits in with the education plan , health
plan and all other activities . We are attempting to integrate all
of these . We are not going to do the health planning , education
planning , water resources planning , - - other agencies are doing this ,
but we are trying to integrate them to a functional approach . In
order to do this we need a planning board different to the kind that
has been quite common in the past . It has been quite common to pick
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F . Liguori : eight or nine members in the County and then this becomes the
Planning Board . We felt instead of that approach there should
be a representative from each town and all of the major organi -
zations that are involved in planning . This is the kind of
board we have , - - it ' s a big one , - - about a 28 -member board but
these are the people who are involved in these various function -
ing planning deals . Through them we will piece together a plan
and after it is pieced together these are the same people who
will bring back the ideas to the local planning boards and so
on . Your representative is Ed Moran who is functioning as our
chairman .
G . Totman : He is from the village .
F . Liguori : That ' s right . He is resigning but we will soon have another
representative from the village . This is one way we try to
keep in touch .
At the opening of the County Planning Board meetings each and
every representative has the floor to talk about anything that
seems to be important to him or to his town or village and this
way , as a group , we get a better understanding of the whole deal .
One of the very important functions of this Planning Board is to
draw up what I consider to be the most important part of our
general plan and that is our goal stocking , - - that is , - -what do we
want to try to achieve in the field of physical and environmental
systems of the County and the economical and social and government
sectors , - and these will 'then be a series of goals that we will
attempt to define and from that we will go to the next step of
developing objectives as to how to reach those goals . Specifically
- what do we do to achieve full employment in terms of economic
development and then policies we will arrive at to achieve those
objectives and this document , hopefully , will have input from all
of the major corners of the County . We intend to circulate this
to your Board to get your ideas and this document will form the
basis , we hope , for decision -making in the County . This will give
you guidelines and this is what we are shooting for .
In the meantime we are doing all these other things , - - land use , - -
environmental planning , - - transportation , - - are involved in all of
these things to try to get an understanding as to how we operate
from a social , physical and economic point of view and how to
improve ourselves .
In addition we are involved in day to day planning problems to
assist County government in doing things they have to do as for
instance the airport development , - - refuse problem , - - and just all
kinds of various projects like that . One of our other
responsibilities is to provide planning assistance to communities
such as Groton at your request .
As an example , - - if you get a subdivision plan from a subdivider
or a mobile home plan , - -we will assist you in reviewing it and
will put our staff to work on it to help you look at that plan
to see if it will achieve the kind of plan you would like to have .
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F . Liguori : This is a service to you and not to the subdivider . We assist
towns in review of their subdivision ordinances or amendments
to them , and the same with zoning or mobile home ordinances .
However this assistance comes only if requested by you and one
of my responsibilities is to react to these requests .and if you
do request help I will give it to you .
We also are in a position to try to assist municipalities and
institutions in getting funding for worthy projects and I per -
sonally sit on the National Planning Board , of which Tompkins
County is a member , which is the Southern Tier Board , and it is
geared towards Appalachian program to which we are subject to
more than ordinary funding and the proposals that Groton has
with the health and senior citizens center is going to , I hope ,
get good funding from that particular source . There are other
projects such as the industrial park at the airport , Challenge
Industries and the industrial park has the highest priority of
funding for this fiscal year because it is economic development
which will create new jobs and this is the kind of thing that
Appalachian is particularly interested in . If you have projects
of this sort , you need funds - on we are in` a ' posit .on' to : rhelp'
you on this . You can get help to fill in forms so they ' ll say
the sort of things the Feds want to hear . The National Planning
Board is a very modest one , - - our primary function is economic
development , - - it also provides planning assistance to those
counties that don ' t have local planning boards like Otsego , Dela -
ware and to help counties in terms of getting funds . So we
have a modest program that doesn ' t cost us very much but gets us
Federal funding which we like very much .
I think those are basically the kinds of things we get involved
in . We also are charged , and have developed , a very good
potential as an information center for the county so far as
planning and zoning activities are concerned . We have the
entire data from the 1970 census pretty well cataloged and
tabulated and know more about the Town of Groton and people who
live here , - - from the number of people to how they are distributed
in age groups and what middle income ranges are and it ' s just a
mass of information from the census . This kind of data is avail -
able to you , or to anyone else . We have published an initial
volume called Statistical Handbook which is an attempt to get to -
gether in one book as much of this data as was available at that
time and I believe you have a copy of that here as I sent one to
every town . We will be revising that as we get more information
and will keep it up to date . In other words it ' s a bible of in -
formation about the County .
Also in the development of our economic study , we have an interest -
ing mass of information on how the County works from an economic
point of view and what our main power resources are . As an example
data would point out perhaps that we are heavily oriented towards
services in the County , - - schools , government , Cornell and Ithaca
Colleges , - -perhaps what we need is to improve the industrial part
of the County and that leads to an industrial park and we have
pretty well planned one around the airport , - - about 170 acres , - -we
have one local industry very much interested that will expand out
there . Secondly if we can attract some other desirable industries
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F . Liguori : we ought to be in a position to do it . As we learn things from
our study we begin to put some of them into practice and to
implement them . We are not waiting for the plan to be finished , - -
can ' t afford to wait , - - as good ideas develop we move in that
direction . That , basically , is where we stand .
Now from your point of view , you look at things a little differently
because you have to be involved in how the Town is going to develop
and day to day land use activity problems . It ' s a tough situation
town planning . You never quite know for sure where you stand , - -
you don ' t have the resources at a small town level to back you up
on the kind of thing you want to do or hope to do . We ' re here as a
County Planning staff to assist you where we can and we will do that .
One of the things we have supplied you with , and I brought my copy
with me , - - a notebook such as this , - - in which there are all kinds of
memorandums on zoning and planning suggestions for subdivision
planning and so on .
G . Totman : We have a copy of that ?
F . Liguori : You have a copy here somewhers .
H . Dow : It ' s like the material given out at New York city last year .
F . Liguori : Some of the memorandum in here outline factors on mobile homes ,
zoning Board of Appeals and another very recent one "Open Space
Subdivisions " sometimes called cluster subdivision . These we
try to keep you supplied with . This way we have something we
can give you that is perhaps helpful .
I went to a Town of Danby meeting two or three weeks ago and one
of their very real problems is lack of legal assistance . They
felt as a zoning Board of Appeals and Planning Board they couldn ' t
afford to have an attorney on a retainer but always had little
problems they needed advice on . . We have an arrangement with
Cornell , - - a technical advisory group , - -who have volunteered their
services to us instead of us having to go out and hire that kind
of help , - - these are expert people at certain levels and I called
one of them and said the Town of Danby didn ' t have resources to
have an attorney and how about Cornell Law School , - - could they
arrange to have a sharp student in the law school go and attend
Danby ' s meetings and advise them on matters of zoning . These
are not licensed attorneys but they can take a document and in-
terpret it .
You are now at what stage with your zoning ordiance ? It ' s completed .
Your subdivision ordinance is completed , -your general plan , of course ,
is completed and mobile homes . Now you are like a lot of other people , -
- a group of people all dressed up , ready to go out but no place to
go .
H . Dow : We ' re going to the courts sh.J �L : i 0 on junkyards , - - two offenders , - -
outside of that we haven ' t had many ripples .
Some discussion was held on the type of junkyard violations involved
and Mr . Liguori mentioned that Danby got involved in a. mobile home
park suit and invested over $ 1 , 000 in attorney ' s fees and are a
little gunshy of court cases since then .
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R . Cotanch : Junkyard ordinance is regressive , isn ' t it ?
F . Liguori : You can go back , yes .
H . Dow : This person the other night brought that point up and it ' s set
forth here , we think in very clear terms and I wonder if it
might not be the Danby case too . Section 12 I ' m looking for .
It has to do with prior privileges before the adoption of the
ordinance and we found it in here and cleared it up to our
satisfaction but that isn ' t important here right now .
You mentioned the word " goals " awhile ago . We ' ve had our goal , - -
that is from the standpoint of our Town Board and Planning Board ,
too , because it will be in their area of activity if it ever comes
to pass , - - and that is to find small industries to come into the
Town of Groton . I have been doing a lot of travelling and talk -
ing to people on this for the past six weeks and I ' m very dis -
appointed in what I ' m hearing .
F . Liguori : Yes , - - I can well imagine .
H . Dow : I know you mentioned your industrial complex and I talked to Bob
Dowd who is in the Binghamton office of the Economic Development
and I then went to Ithaca and all I got out of them is , - - and I ' m
very disappointed , - - because I thought it would be a great boon
to Groton to spread the tax base but Dan Cutting , among others ,
mentioned your Morse Chain expansion , airport expansion and your
industrial park and said we should be satisfied here in Groton
to be the bedroom of Cortland , Ithaca and Auburn and instead of
concentrating our efforts to bring industries into Groton should
strive to build new homes for people to move here . We had
envisioned in our medium intensity area , on Route 222 , two or
three small industries that might employ 200 - 300 breadwinners .
F . Liguori : Yes it would . I wouldn ' t be too discouraged . The kind of
places you would attract is grass roots , local small industries
that start up in the area .
H . Dow : As Dan said , we have been in contact with industries for a long
time and they put us through the wringer as to what we have to
offer , - - sewage systems and so on . So we haven ' t too much to
offer except as I told him I thought we did have a labor market .
Our studies indicate we do have people who could be gainfully
employed in many businesses but right now we can ' t get anywhere
with it .
F . Liguori : I think if you go on past experience , the Town of Groton is in that
category , - -a bedroom community in many respects . No different
really than most of the towns around the Ithaca urban area . As
long as there is within the immediate economic area of Groton a
viable growing community , it means that Groton is going to benefit
from it through employment and you are in that sort of a position
where you have on one side of you - Cortland and on the other side
Ithaca - urban area . What would really be horrible is if the
County itself as a whole was not in a growth situation , - - then , I
think , we would all have reason to be concerned but the situation
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F . Liguori : right now is that Tompkins County , as a whole , has a very good
growth picture . When you compare our growth with neighboring
counties , we are the fastest growing county in this area , in-
cluding Cortland and Broome County . Tioga County is about the
same . We are in a good growth situation within the County as
a whole .
R . Cotanch : The theory at least that Groton , sooner or later , will. grow
because people have no other place to go between Cortland and
Ithaca , - - the Beacon Hill project for instance is a large type
of thing but it ' s an area Groton could grow into and outside
of a planning structure are there people available at Cornell ,
for instance , that could show some expertise in cluster housing
to a group of people who might be interested in developing land
in that respect ? When we were in New York last year saw a pro -
gram related to Ithaca and probably those slides are at Cornell
some place .
F . Liguori : I think they would be in a position to help you on that .
I think what you will get will be people who like to have a
rural setting with a village nearby as opposed to getting
into the competitive situation .
R . Cotanch : Wouldn ' t it be just as economically feasible for Groton to
attract housing instead of industries , - - suggest people build
up a brochure itemizing low taxes , beautiful schools , and so
on .
F . Liguori : Yes , you could and after you do that you have to attract the
investment capital . People who are willing to venture money
in developing these projects , and right now this type of capital
is going to Ithaca urban area .
R . Cotanch : I wasn ' t too worried about that . I ' m thinking of getting people
who have the land and resources here talked into this being a good
venture .
F . Liguori : I doubt very much you would have much trouble once they saw they
could sell their land and make a profit .
D . Payne : You mentioned you made a study countywide of land use and this
type of thing and that this information is passed on to the
Town Planning Board .
F . Liguori : Yes , it will be .
D . Payne : It hasn ' t been yet ?
F . Liguori : No , because our first phase is to make an existing land use and we
have made a map and documented what the land is being used for and
now the next logical step is what would it best be used for in
the future and we will be using the guidelines in your general plan
to develop one for the Town of Groton unless we find they are
contradictory .
G . Totman : As this information becomes available to the County level , do you
automatically send it to the Town Planning Board or just to the
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G . Totman : Town Clerks ?
F . Liguori : I send it to the Town Clerks usually .
G . Totman : The reason I asked is I ' ve never seen anything come through .
F . Liguori : That ' s an unfortunate situation .
D . Payne : Possibly we could suggest that this information be sent to the
chairman of the Planning Board .
R . Cotanch : Or suggest to the clerk that it be made available .
F . Liguori : There are five documents I have now which I need more money be -
fore I can print enough copies to send to the towns but if I
did it for all the Town Planning Boards too I ' d have trouble
getting the money to print them .
D . Payne : Possibly it would be better to send them directly to the chair -
man of the Planning Board instead of to the Town Clerk .
F . Liguori : Actually I send them to the Town Supervisors ,
H . Dow : I don ' t recall getting anything recently .
You were asking about our population , - - as of now I believe we
are 4 , 997 , - - just a hair under 5 , 000 now . Our village has de -
clined so we are not moving up in terms of people .
F . Liguori : The report you ' re giving that information from I thought is
a very good one .
H . Dow : Yes it is , - - our 701 Phase I .
R . Cotanch : We have another problem , - - our County Representative from this
Planning Board to your Board , - - since he has been appointed have
never seen or heard of him .
F . Liguori : Dan is a very likeable and nice person but if you are to get
the maximum value out of the relationship it ought to be one
of you people because the kind of things we are doing are of
particular value to the Town Planning Board . That ' s my feeling
but the perogative is up to the Town Board .
We have a meeting scheduled for October 25th in the auditorium
at the New York State Electric & Gas Company and the two main
topics will be the undergrounding of utilities and State Public
Service Commission criteria and then a discussion on open space
subdivisions and some of the recent changes in State legislature .
This will be the first in a series of this type of meetings .
G . Totman : That ' s good but it ' s like these meetings the New York State
Planning Federation or Association of Towns in New York has ,
I think they are very valuable but they are so far away and
costly that the majority of members on planning boards can ' t
attend them whereas if some seminars are held locally that
would be very helpful .
F . Liguori : This is the kind of thing I hope we can do more and more as
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F . Liguori : time goes on .
G . Totman : All we know about planning is what we have done ourselves and if
we can have County groups meeting and listen to other people ' s
problems and how they solve them I think that will be great
especially for new members .
F . Liguori : I sat on a town planning board for about 15 years and I know
what it ' s like .
G . Totman : I sat in an a ,-mock planning board meeting recently where one
was done right way and one the wrong way on a request for a
subdivision . It was really great and put a lot of thoughts
in my mind but should be able to have all of the members of
a planning board there to see that sort of thing to make it
more worthwhile .
R . Cotanch : One thing that struck me , as chairman of 701 , was when we got
through with it if we had known three years before there were
many changes we would have made .
F . Liguori : You never really stop planning or never really stop learning .
D . Payne : You mentioned this meeting coming up at the New York State
Gas & Electric auditorium and that you plan to hold more .
Will we be advised as to when they are going to be held?
F . Liguori : Yes . It ' s the 25th at 7 : 30 P . M .
R . Cotanch : Both of those topics are very interesting to us .
F . Liguori : There is so much activity going around , - - if I could get an
indication that there was interest in local planning boards
in Tompkins County to form some kind of an organization of
their own to meet say every three months and take some of
the leadership in terms of developing a program using our
resources at Cornell , - - this County has a mass of resources , - -
people available with expertise for anything you want to talk
about . I ' d asiist them but you would have to provide some of
your own leadership . This way , perhaps you could have your
own quarterly meeting getting a meeting place and the ideal
thing would be zoning boards and planning boards . I would
like to see this kind of thing start up .
H . Dow : TO has sent out a questionnaire to us to find out if we are
interested in evening classes and what in and we sent it back
indicating that we thought there was interest here in Groton
in that .
F . Liguori : Maybe we could use TC3 , - - takes some time to organize these
things .
R . Cotanch : The Extension Service had a deal started like this for poultry
farmers and they met quarterly . I think they had two counties
when they started and are up to 12 now . Just like you say they
just meet and discuss their problems and had an expert in the
field to come and talk to them .
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Some discussion was held on the ordinance that was put
into effect in the Town of Ramico by John MacElvee by
F . Liguori , G . Totman , R . Cotanch and others .
R . Cotanch : What is the status on Route 13 , - - outside of the master plan ?
F . Liguori : That , and others like it , took quite a setback with the defeat
of the Bond issue last year . I think the best thing to say is
it is still a viable proposal and has a high priority in this
region but a low priority budget .
D . Payne : It ' s going to be a while coming .
More discussion was held on this by H . Dow , R . Cotanch ,
D . Payne , F . Liguori and others .
F . Liguori : The proposal at one time was considered as part of the
Appalachian Throughway but I think that was wishful thinking
because it was never accepted by them . I think the State now
recognizes it probably doesn ' t have much of a chance as an
extension of the Appalachian Throughway , The State has put
it in their 20 -year plan not as a throughway but as an express -
way - - a principal highway . Under the expressway concept can
be developed up to a 4 - lane road with limited access so it
still could be a good highway . The best indications I have is
the first step might be a good 2 - lane highway and then as time
goes on might be expanded in certain areas to 4 - lanes . The
planning is still active but there are obstacles at Cortland
and they haven ' t been resolved yet .
There is renewed concern in Ithaca in relation to 13 and the
intersection to 96 going up towards the hospital because I
think it is pretty clear the decision for the hospital expan -
sion is to be at its present site and if this is true the
County will be reinvestigating their need for improved inter -
sections and a new route going to the hospital becomes that
much more apparent . I think it ' s next week I have a meeting
with the new head man of the Department of Transportation in
Albany to see if we can improve the schedule for the road , - -
that would be the first priority and the second one would be
from Dey Street to Groton and the third would be that portion
of 13 South of Ithaca that hasn ' t been improved .
I think our chances are good of getting this kind of improved
highway but won ' t be the limited access . The limited access has
some drawbacks , - - doesn ' t give land uses a chance to develop along
it .
More discussion was held on this by H . Dow , R . Cotanch ,
F . Liguori and others .
R . Cotanch : Talking about the hospital , - - the major drawback to the people
who live in Groton is its inacessibility to Groton , - - it takes
twice as long to go there than to the Cortland Hospital .
D . Payne : One thing we are lacking here is a Town engineer and when we
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D . Payne : get involved in subdivisions and this sort of thing we need help
in this area . Can this be done through the County Board level ?
F . Liguori : Yes , - - through my department . You get the subdivision plan and
the way it happens in most communities you make your comments
and then give it badk . and tuggest that . tbey bring it to our
planning department , you give us your comments and then we will
take the plan , make an investigation and make our recommendations
to you and perhaps change the plan to a better layout , make new
sketches , etc .
Mr . Dow explained to Mr . Liguori about the one subdivision plan we
had that fell through and why it had and further discussion was
held on this subject by G . Totman , D . Payne and others .
F . Liguori : There is in this notebook a very good document called "Broome
County Reference Text " , - - if you can ' t find yours I think I can
scrape together another volume of this for you .
H . Dow : Dan Carey }probably has it at home .
G . Totman : Has anybody else any questions you ' d like to ask Frank while he
is here ?
F . Liguori : I might mention another thing , - - I have a responsibility under the
law if someone in the Town is proposing an amendment to a zoning
ordinance that has some sort of impact on County roads or State
facilities or within 500 feet of another municipality ' s border , - -
it is your responsibility , as a Planning Board , to forward that to
me for review before taking official action . I have to review it
and send you my comments and if my comments are unfavorable that
doesn ' t mean you can ' t pass it but have to then have a vote of one
more than the majority to pass it under the law . It ' s a means of
protecting County and State facilities and also of protecting
municipalities and their borders . I wishyou would keep that in
mind and I think , again , somewheres in your files you. will find
information relative to that .
H . Dow : How is our agricultural district coming ?
F . Liguori : It ' s in this stage , - -unfortunately the law as it was written , .-. .
it isn ' t like it was a very simple thing to get these things
organized'; �r said all the farmers had to do was outline where
properties were but in actually carrying through the planning of
this there is a klinker that says before it can be acted upon
there has to be a legal description of the district . There are
2 ways to do ) this : 7 - - like on a deed or put them on a tax map so
I have provided the County Agent with a complete set of tax maps on
which he could then enter these farms on and outline them and
then we can pick them up from there and this is where it stands at
the present time . I think it has been tied up at that stage at
least a month or longer .
Further discussion was held on the agricultural district by H .
Dow , G . Totman , R . Cotanch , F . Liguori and others .
G . Totman : Frank , let me change the subject for a minute . Supposing a new
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G . Totman : planning board was started in a town and they came to you and asked
where they could get educated . What would you recommend to people .
I know there ' s the New York State Planning Federation that hold
meetings every year and that there are other areas , - -what would you
suggest for planning boards to do to familiarize themselves . Do
you have any preferences or what is yp r opinion of the value of
the board members attending these meetings in the Catskills and in
New York City .
F . Liguori : I think they are of value , - - V m. not sure in terms of the amount of
money to spend for them , - - that this is where you ' d get your
maximum return . I think one of the things for new members to do
is to make contact with an existing , on -going Town Planning Board
and arrange to attend some of their meetings and they would be
glad to have anyone attend them and during these sessions could
see how they operate and am sure after the meeting they would be
glad to talk to you and this is one of the ways you can get there
the quickest and another way would be to read all kinds of docu -
ments .
You can also attend the County Planning Board meetings , - - they are
wide open and we would be glad to have you .
I like the idea of forming an organization of the various planning
boards in the County .
Z . Kane : That ' s a good idea . I think anyone the first few months , no matter
how much they read , it takes a while to understand .
F . Liguori : Come down to my office and spend some time seeing what we do and the
exhibits we have and I think it would give you a good idea of what is
involved and I would be glad to arrange this any time you like .
D . Payne : Set that up , George .
G . Totman : I do have some copies here of the State policies on underground
wiring . Any of the memors and so on that are on the table please
feel free to take them and read time .
Z . Kane made up sets of what Mr . Totman had laid out on
the table and handed them around to all present .
G . Totman : Well , Frank , I thank you very much for taking the time to come
and talk to us and I ' m sure we all learned a lot more about the
County Planning Board than we knew before . We can ' t pay you for
coming up but we do thank you .
F . Liguori : The County pays me . Again I would like to invite you to come to
the meeting October 25th ( and also to my office ) and I ' ll mention
the idea of some sort of organization for planners .
G . Totman : The 25th at the New York State Electric & Gas .
H . Dow : I ' m going to ride from Groton City and would be glad to pick
anyone up to go along . Are you going , Zana ?
Z . Kane : I ' d like to .
H . Dow : Don , - - do you want me to pick you up ?
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D . Payne : Yes .
G . Totman : Before we close , I have a couple of things to ask you . One , - -we
don ' t have any more copies of the subdivision regulations in the
Town Hall . Lois doesn ' t have any .
Mr . Dow said he would have some more printed up at which
point Mr . Totman pointed out that before this was done there
were blank spaces in it that should be filled in i . e . dates ,
fees , etc , and Mr . Dow said that would be taken care of .
G . Totman : May I have your attention and comments , - - if we go to that meeting
October 25th which is next Wednesday night then the following
Wednesday would be the first Wednesday in November and our meet -
ing night . Now I would suggest , unless we have something definite
come up in the meantime that should come before the Board , that we
bypass that particular meeting and everybody attend the one on the
25th instead . Would that be agreeable to everybody ?
Everybody agreed that it would be .
Mrs . Bell mentioned that October 25th was also the 701
meeting to discuss subdivision regulations and Mr . Dow
telephoned Mr . Hastings and asked that he arrange that
it be held on another evening and Mr . Hastings agreed
to do so .
R . Cotanch made a motion that the meeting be adjourned
and Z . Kane seconded it . The motion was carried .
Re pectfully submitted ,
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Jos phi e Be
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