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TOWN OF GROTOPd
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Public Ile arin. S. Tuesday , J ► 1. y 21 , 1992 , 8 : 40 P . M .
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`TIOLA,rimS of the Groton. Land Use an. d Devel. opmen. t; Code , Section. 31
against 1.amd, own. er : G . Wil. l. iam Darl. in. g , 15 � Fiol. 1. Rd . , Cort; lan. d , P1 . Y .
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BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT
* I, yl. e Raymond George Sen. ter , r7o11in. g
* Pdial. Smith En. forcemen. t; Officer
* David Ofn. er
* Jolin. Pactiai
Mary Decker l
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NOTICE of July 21 , 1992 publ. ic hearing r,. as read by
Lyle Raymond . Letters dated 5 / 1 / 92 , 3 / 31 / 92 , 6 / 17 / 92 , and 6 / 19 ,/ 92
to Mr . Darl. in.g Were al. so read aloud .
RAYMOND : George , do you have an. y further II'information. than. i hat
I just. read tiere ? �4
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RAYMOPdD : When. did you last; visit; the Darl. in. g place ?
SENTER : I Went out Friday , J ►:► l. y 17 , 1992j , and I st; il. l. think I
saw junk cars bel. l. ied up in. the 11back but; you gentlemen.
said you didn ' t see an. y . There fTrTe, re l- ots of vehlcl. es
that tie had ► lp front that he moored . At on. e tfm' e , there
`verc . three , then. two , counting t:'he jun. ker in, the back ;
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but; tie final. l. y, got them al. l. back or final. l. y got; them Ell. ].
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licensed . I didn ' t see any- other than the one for sai. e
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there . The houses are so close , together that it ' s hard
to tel. l. which car is i.-.hich or wti'ose .
OFNER We talked with him and tie explained what tie is doing . .
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Ile coul. d acco ► mt. for whose they riere and what the use for_
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RAYMOND : Fie b �isical. l. y said that. there is 4,;a large exten. ded family
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that live in, that; house . Phey mire a1. 1. l. icen. sed .
SEPJTER : If al. l. are 1. icen. s (? d , we shoul. dn. ' ,t, care . Did you go out;
there John. ?
PACHAI : I sate the on. e that was turned upside down. ; barely . What
gave it; away lra the wheel. was sticking up over the brush .
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SErm : That; ' s in. violation of t; lie NYS '. :Uri`- orm Pire Prevention and
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Bldg .; Code . Fie has been, moving them . I am nappy he
is getting t; hem cleared .
OFNER : Was I. here more there than. originlal. l. y then. what. ti..Te saw
la st; night ?
SEDJTE ..R Yes , lie ' s moved tliem . Fie even. had one stored up the
road at; Leonard ' s place . Slle wafs involved also , so she
had him come up and get t; he car If I don. ' t see t; liem ,
I don. ' t; care .
RAYMOND : Ok , so close the case ? He ' s doing a reasonable job .
SENTER : Ile has cleared three t; hat; lie started out wit; li . Al. 1. the
notice is , is a notice that t; liei` e is a viol. at; ion
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happen. in. g . It is so they can. do something about; it .
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RAYMOND : Any- of; lier board members have an.yt; hin. g further yoi wan. t;
to con. tribiat; e on. t; liis ?
( Ilearin. g adjourned at 8 : 45 P . M .
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( 1327JA convenes at 9 : 00 P . M . to decide Darl. in. g case )
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OFNER : It appears lie ' s cl. ean. ed up what; ,, lie slioul. d have cl. ean. ed
up . Ile can accoian. t for a1. 1. i;ise a .
SEDITEI? rliey- are al. l. l. icen. sed . If
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RAYMOND : Do we want; to make a mot; ion to dismiss charges ?
PACHAI : I motion t; o dismiss the case against; G . Wil. l. iam Darl. in. g .
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PACHAI ( con. t ' d ) :
Being that the Darl. in. g ' s have apparently cleared up
an. d . taken. card of any existing Violations , I move that;
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ive dismiss the complaint .
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OFPIER : I second it . E
Motion. passed /All in. favor
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I , SANDRA D . DILLOPS , DO CERTIFY that; at the Public
Hearing in the matter of Violation. of Groton. Land Use and Develop -
ment Code , Section. 312 , lie1. d on. Tuesday- , July 21 , 1992 , -at; 8 : 30 P . .
did take the minuites of said hearing an. Ci the foreJoin. g lS a t; ]' l;lP_
and exact copy of , aid hearing to the best; of my abil. it; ys
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TOWN OF GROTON
Z OPJIPIG BOARD
-Peibl. ic Hearing held 'ruesday , Jbl. y 21 , 1092
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VIOLA 'rI0P1S of the Groton. Land Use and Development Code , Section. 31
against landowner : Edward Miller , 927 Cobh St . , Groton. , N . Y .
'ruesday , July 21 , 1992 , at; 8 * 15 P . M .
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BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT
* I,yle Raymond iGeorge Sen. ter , Zoning
* Nial. Smith En. forcemen. t Officer
* John Pachai Mr . Edward Miller and
* David Ofn. er I Mrs . Wilma Miller ,
Mary Decker 927 Cobb St . , Groton.
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( present )
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NOTICE of July 21 , 1992 public hearing was read by
Lyle Raymond . Letters dated , 3 / 27 ,192 , 5 ; t/ 92 , 6 / 17 ; 92 , and 6 / 19 / 9
v7ere also read aloud at; the hearing . �f
RAYMOND : rhat ' s the extent of the letters I have here ; also ,
there are photographs attached to the records dated
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May 20 , 1992 . The photographs show the alleged un. l. icen. s :) d
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and inoperable vehicles on. the premises at 927 Cobb St .
George , as Zoning Officer , do you have anything to add
to the materials ?
SEPITER : P1o , that ' s basically the way, the story has bec3n. 0 Al. ot;
of the time , after I send the first letter out; , I get; a
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response ; whether it; be a phone �� call or message . Maybe
if Ed had called me , this could have all. been avoided .
E . MILLER :
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I gi:iess I don ' t work the right; hours ; when. I do plion. e ,
there is no answer .
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RAYMOND : You are , I assume , Mr . Miller ? IMrs . Miller ?
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Wilma Miller , gees . I
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RAYMOND . Do you have anything to add to the letters I have or
what George has had to say ?
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E . MILLER :
This is one vehicle ( indicating ) that is not registered ,
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it ' s my wrecker . I have been through this before . I
use it there on the place , and there is one other car
up there which is an antique that I was going to restor .
I haven ' t got at it yes: : There is another one that is
not an antique I guess it ' s a ' 75 . I don ' t know . I
did have clot of stuff stored in it . I talked to you
before at another meeting . The van is registered , it ' s
not licensed .
RAYMOND : Let me get this straight . . . .
E . MILLER :
'Phis one ( indicating in photograph ) is not even considej -
ed a car , it has no doors , no bumpers , no trunk .
RAYMOND : So you use it as a shed ? A stoi- ge shed ?
E . MILLER :
Yes .
SEN'PEi:;. : when we talked on L, he phone , you said you had someone
to pick some of the vehicles up .
E . MILLER :
Yes , I don ' t know what happened to him . I told him to
call me over to work . . . . .
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SEN'PER : There is another gentleman who will pick them up but
he doesn ' t pay anything . You say this guy pays fox, them ?
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yes , not much but . . . .
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RA':'MOND : These vehicles you are speaking of . . . I drove by with
some of the other members ; by yo;:ur house . . . If you face
your house , there is a vehicle in the back , that you can
see in the back corner , which vehicle is that ?
E . MILLER :
Green one ?
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RAYM ND : Yes , there ' s two there . One behind your house and
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one that ' s facing the corner .
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E . MILLER :
The one that ' s against the house' is my van .
W . MILLER :
If yoiA are sitting in front of the house , you can ' t see
that .
E . MILLER :
. . . . . my son . . . . saving it for paits . . . transmission . . . .
PACHAI: a Referring to the one on the back left side , tan car ?
This is the one that the picture looks like there is
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a board in front of it .
W . MILLER :
That is not going to be moved . � 'that is not one that the
gentleman coming was going to move .
RAYMOND : Also , in regards to your driveway , you can see another
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car that looks like it ' s in back of your house ; looks
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like it is sticking out . Which ,� one is that ?
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1955 Willis .
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RAYMOND : What are you going to do with that ?
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I wanted to restore it . I haven ' t been able to find the
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parts for it . My neighbor had the parts hauled away .
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RAYMOND * Also , by your barn , there is a vehicle tha .:, seems to
be sitting nelrt to it that has been there a while .
E . MILLER :
My jeep .
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RAYMOND : Yes , it is opened ?
E . MILLER.
I ha %ven ' t renewed .;. he license right now , but the
insurance has been on it ever. since 1965 .
RAYMOND : Are there license plates on it ? i So , that is a licensed
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vehicle ? Beyond that vehicle . . '. over in the vines ,
there is color from another vehicle .
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E . MILLER :
That ' s my wrecker .
RA�MOND : Wrecker ? Ok .
E . MILLER :
I have to pall the engine from the jeep that is , Thy I
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have the wrecker .
RAYMOND : Well , I want to say that I thought your place was in
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really nice shape last time I went out there.
E . MILLER :
I thought we had everything straightened away ,* there ' s
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eight less car :; there then was w':Len this all started ,
when it first started . Y
. SEN`PEI: : I talked to him previously and lit has been cleaned up .
RAYMOND * I recall , I do recall , you folkls are doing a real nice
job of removing the vehicles . iAny other board members
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have any comments or. questions7I1
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OFNER : Did he account for the two of t',he vehicles in the back
of the house ?
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RAYMOND : Yes , the one vehicle in the back that has the board in
front , he is lasing that as a storage shed .
OFNER : That Js the one on the sine of the house ?
RAYMOND : rhat ' s right .
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OFNER : rhen there are two in balk of the horse ?
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RAYMOND . 'rhr.- re is one in back of the houarse . The one in back is
the Willis .
f'ACIIAI thought I sate Lwo .
O:Ft;JEI2 : I 's ,a ',•r twoo .
E . MILLER :
1'jle van is there . You ^ ave to be nosier than ( ; ^ �. '. to
sP ' it .
W . MILLER :
T -al bothers me because you Can be ill one Ein �.' l. ^c anal n. Ot;
sfle those vehicles . ii :: i, van is up C10 se to - he back
of the house . I think you have to :; et a little bit
c1. () Ser than. T am cor! forti ble with . If people. , at liberty
can ]calk around and help t; hemsel. ves Jo l: hat; is ol:u-
property , anal ; hat: we t azr t: a. . e on. . . . . I ar not comfort -
able with that . If you ' re on. 1-. he road , that ' s fine ,
1) 1at; to st; an. d there and iC) ok at; + t he house yola don. ' t;
sf_ e file vehicle .
S E JT ER : We don. ' t come on. the Y) rooerty .
E . MILLER :
I have airplane vlellvs ; ther. e ' s ' n. ot; hin. g shw,-J `Ln. C= (? .. ceJt
m.y jeep . You can ' t see from that; ang1. e .
PACHAI iY jo Cassure you , Ivirs . Miller , I went; by tonight for the
first time , and yol;ll sop l:' as t71e1' e ; T gI;IP_ sS z'70ri� 1n. Cq
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PACIIM ; ( cone ' d )
on a van rl ^; 71t; out; front . There ;�ra. s a picki:tp t; ruck
there . . .
W . MILLER :
rhey were people visiting . fie 1vas working on the van .
But , I drove by ; then. I came back tale of; her. t, ay . That
t; as kloj„* I got my in. format; ion. . So , I did. n. ' t; have to st; op
the car .
RAYMOND : Of course , I do ;'rish to point but that; there ' s no pro -
vision. , whatsoever , a :. Vol) kn. oia , in. the Town. of Groton.
land district code as to , :7lether- it ' s behind the house
or not. . The rules say , " n. o in (') perabl. e vehicles on. the
property "ty " period. .
W . MILLER :
I know , I understand , but as I ;; wFs indicating mq feeling .
If you are looking at; the fron.'`t; of the house , your could
not; see those two vei11C1. E s in. the rear . That was the
point; I was making . You have t- o be a little hit; nosy . . . . .
PACFIA3- You can ' t; see them unless you lase dol� n. the road , on. file
road 1. 00k1n. g .
SENTER : i don ' t go on anybody ' s prnpe ' t; y u zss I am inirit; ed
or have their perimission. .
RAYMOND : Does an. ybody else have an. y furl.- her :_ i:iest; ion. s for:
Mr . and. Mrs . Miller ? Ok . I adjourn the hearing part;
of this meet in . `'� E? lcil. l. proceed to another hearing
on. the n. P_ x1, Ca E? .
' Olear: inc; adjourn. ed-. -8 : 30 P . M = )
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( 7on. in. g Board met; to. decide on. Mill fair case
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RAleMOND : Meat do we wan. t; to do about the Mil. l. er situation. here ?
He has good e ): pl. anation. s for Some of the vehicles .
OFNER : AS I said , I didn. ' t; hear t; oo much of t; he e �_ ,� lanat; ion. ,
so maybe we could c; o ove1- it . As I un. del- star. d it;
in t; he front; of ttie house , ther'te is a vehicle that is
being used as a housing for a tract; or .
RAYMOND : Right . That iaa. s t; he one we saw ; towards t; he back of the
house .
OFNER : Then there is a wrecker ?
RAYMOND : The ivrecker rras t; Yie one in. the i, bushes .
OFNER ; Then. there is on. e wit; li a Iicen. se on. it; ?
RAY. MO : Yes . Either the wrecker or the Wi 1. 1 i :_ . Wrecker .
Fie t; est ifle ( . that; lt; lITa ;; l. icen. sed . Does ghat CO ]- re :> 1,! on. d
with you George ?
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SEPITER : Yes , lie had three or fourIf
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E . MILLER :
Three i;inl. icen. sed .
SEPITER : The code says , " aban. don. ed , in. obera. ) ie . un. ree.) ist; erect
vehicles . "
RAYMOND : Fie has also given. t; est; imon. y in. if the hearing that; t; here
are plans in. t; he �: or ,. s ' t; o sell. ` the : er: icic, s .
SENTER : Ile t; ol. d me ; ment; ion. ed to me in. a phone con. versat; ion. . . . .
RAYMOND : I ;, oul. d propose that we give liim j0 days to remove .
OFNER : In. t; he (.? T, fent that. I-Ale 1rf= 11icles are not removed , ;; hat;
then. ?
F'ACFiAI Fie has 30 days to compl. y grit; h jthe stat; ut; e of ordinance .
SEPITER : Fie can. have on. e ve hicl. e , two or more con. st; i :Lutes a
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OFNER : So we are tal. kin. g about; un. l. icen. sed vehicle action.
being taken, to dispose them .
PACHAI : To comply . t
OFPdER : I move that for the record , that? we are n. otifyin. g
Mr . Mil. l. er that tie wil. l. complete the action. to compl. y,
with the ordinance within. 30 days . If the compl. ian. ce
is n. ot accomplished within. 30 days , case wil. l. be
rendered to the Zon. e En. forcemen. t. Officer for legal.
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Motion. Passed / Al. l. in. favor.
I , SANDRA D . DIILON , DO CERTIFYI, that at. the Public
hearin. g in. the matter of Viol. ation of tYie , Groton. I, an. d Use an. d
Devel. o'pmen. t. Code , Section. 312 , liel. d on. Tuesday , July 21 , 1992
at, 8 : 00 P . M . did take the min. utes of said ' hearing and the fore -
going is a tree an. d exact copy of said hearing to the best of
my abil. ity .
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