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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-07-23 ti fl TOWN OF GROTON (d ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS Public Hearing , July 23 , 1985 Violation Town of Groton Land Use andDevelopment Code and Licensing and Regulation of Junkyard Ordinance by ALLEN RAWSON and RICHARD REIMER . Violation of the Town of Groton Land Use and Development Code and N . Y . S . Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code : BRIAN LUCEY . BOARD ( *present ) OTHERS PRESENT J . Bell , Chairman Terry Ofner M . Decker* Duane Randall L . Raymond* Richard Reimer D . Ofner* Tina Reimer N . Smith* Don Vanatta Brian Lucey John Hanford L . RAYMOND , Acting Chairman , opened the Public Hearing at 8 : 00 1tm . by reading the Public Notice attached . Violation of the Town of Groton Land Use and Development Code , Section 312 and Licensing and Regulation of Junkyard Ordinance by RICHARD REIMER , 850 Cobb St . , Groton , New York . WOOD : What I found were unused vehcles and inoperable vehicles on the property , in particular a Pontiac in the front of the house ; in addition there are other unused materials along side of house causing blocking the view from the intersection and also unused material laying around the garage and back yard . RAYMOND : You have contacted these people concerning this ? WOOD : I have had two telephone conversations with Mrs . Reimer i-ndicati:ng these were not unused and abandoned materials . RAYMOND : We are listening to the evidence from everyone concerned who has an interest in this . Any decision we make will be made at another meeting . Does anyone here wish to comment who are interested in or affiliated with RICHARD REIMER? ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -2- July 23 , 1985 DECKER : Are there any written communications on this case ? WOOD : A long time ago I used to send informational memoes . I don ' t find them in the folder so I can ' t comply with that questions . There were memoes and phone calss back and forth and I responded and asked them to take care of it . OFNER : Did you advise the them about the Junkyard Regulations ? Did you inform them that they could declare it a junkyard and apply for a permit or clean it up? WOOD : I did not advise them of the possiblity of applying for a Junkyard permit . RAYMOND : Any evidence you know of that this family is in a position to do this , is there sickness in the family? WOOD : That has never come up in the conversations . It is not a case of ' we can ' t do it ' ; it ' s a contention ' I ' m wrong ' . LUCEY : Does this ordinance apply to farmyards with all types of vehicles in their yards ? DECKER : If they are peices that are not or cannot be used , they are junk and should be out of sight . WOODi Yes , it does apply to farms . RAYMOND : Yes , it does but does not make a difference in this instance . WOOD : Only to the extent that those things obstructing visibility are of more urgency . As far as the law as written , it applies to all of those things . RANDALL : I am a neighbor , I got a letter . I would like to know what the question is ? I heard the accusations and I don ' t happen to agree with them nor do any others or they would be here . ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -3- July 23 , 1985 RAYMOND : In explanation the Town has a Junkyard Ordinance in the Town Laws which indicates if you have more than two�ounlinensed vehicles on your property you are in violation of the law unless you obtain a junkyard license . RANDALL : I understand what the law is ; what is considered a vehicle , car or truck? I suggest that whoever is making the complaint investigate it more thoroughly . R . REIMER : I was in touch with Gary Wood when sent the first letter . I told him every vehicle was licensed except the Pontiac. I have been through a cancer operation , and because of finances that is the only vehicle without a license . I don ' t understand the complaint of a junkyard ; there is not an unlicensed vehicle there except for the Pontiac . WOOD : May I refer to the section of law which says ' where two or more unregistered vehicles in condition for use on public highway whether for personal use or resell , for reclaiming for raw material , such materials should include any area are classified for dumping . An accumulation of dumping or storage of used materials of whatever consistency ' . It is not limited to motor vehicles . You are right , the Pontiac is the only vehicle there unlicensed . R . REIMER : That ' s right , the only unlicensed vehicle . My daughter ' s vehicle , my sone has a vehicle , I have two vehicles . My boy has a motor vehicle . Everything has a license . RANDALL : The interesting thing I see , when you read the letter Mr . Wood sent Mr . Reimer , a Town Board member lives four houses away and has four unlicensed vehicles on his property . It seems particular ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -4- July 23 , 1985 individuals are being singled out for whatever reason . I don ' t understand , I guess . There has been a concern about being able to see at the corner . A time or two I had to sneak out into intersection to see , I agree ; but I can remember only one accident there since 1960 . I can assure you his place looked worse ten years ago than now . WOOD : Let me clear another item . It is not unused vehicles that is really the question , it ' s the general accumulation of things labeled as junk under this Ordinance . R . REIMER : My boy has two snomobiles . Must be a law agianst snomobiles . There are two boats ; must be a law against boats . I ' m in business everything there comes and goes . I have a PUMP . . . . . . . . . . . . . I have others that need to be rebuilt . WOOD : You are addressing this to the wrong person . I made the accusation . Speak to the Board . I am explaining what I was hired to do . R . REIMER : If you would stop and find out it would be another story ; but you would not stop and find out . RAYMOND : We are here to listen to all sides of this thing . We appreciate the information you are providing . We will take this into consideration when making our decision . R . REIMER : I have no accumulated junk like he says . OFNER : I passed by since I sit on the Board and listen to facts and I did see various kinds of items . I did not know why they were there . Can you tell me the purpose of the variety of materials ? RANDALL : He just says it comes and goes . OFNER : It is an outdoor storage for articles you use in your business ? ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -5- July 23 , 1985 OFNER : The outdoor storage is for articles you use in your business ? R . REIMER : I don ' t have enough room to do it elsewheres . For the last ten years I have supplied the Town and County and others . I ' m in plumbing and heating . I have a 250 gallon drum for . . . . . . . I have a 50 gallon drum that needs to be cleaned out and that goes back to theowner . I have no storage . It ' s all for heating or if a farmer needs a piece of welding , he tells me what it is and I make it . Mr . Randall had to have a saw made , I fabricated it there . All this stuff is for that . I got a plow for the truck my son has a plow for his truck . I only have a certain amount of space . DECKER : I have to be honest , but every time I come up to that corner heading south you dan ' t see anything . In the 12 years there has only been one accident , we ' re fortunate in that . What you have I know you use . , It is the same type of accumulation we have on the farm , but we have more room . Dick has no place to put anything . We have to come to some workable situation . That junk is his stock , it ' s in and out . T . REIMER What I have heard the last ten minutes is not so much the junk but the view from the road . I find from coming the other direction it is just as hazardous to see around the trees . Is everyone on a corner suppose to out the trees obstructing a view? DECKER : That is a good point , the view coming from the south you can ' t see because of Mr . Terwilliger ' s trees . RANDALL : That ' s true . ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -6- July 23 , 1985 T . REIMER : I find myself coming further from the south than from the north into the intersection . OFNER : In response to the question of trees ;_ within the Town Ordinance there is a reference to plantings that obstruct corner vision . I don ' t know if they ask people to cut the trees down but it is in the Ordinance and it refers to trees and plantings not have branches below a certain level . R . REIMER : The view from the other way there is a hill there ; part of the road is very hard to see from that side sometimes . RANDALL : If when you come from the north or go north on Cobb St . there is a trucker in the neighborhood and when his truck is parked on his property you can forget the view , you can ' t see . Back to Dick ' s situation I think if there was someplace to put that stuff he would , but there is not . He has a creek through his back yard that the County won ' t do anything about . DECKER : Is there any feasibility of that thing going underground so you could overpass that ? R . REIMER : You could , the culvert is under the road but the County says it is in the works to change but won ' t change it . DECKER : That would give you much more property to work with? R . REEMER : You realize how many times I carted stone , put in there and it all washed out . The last time I put stones there I was having radiation treatments and the flood in the fall washed it out . I have not had it rebuilt again . DECKER : I wonder , in light of this situation , if we had any way to apply pressure on the County to work on it ? It ' s the only feasible thing . zoning board of appeals public hearing -7- July 23 , 1985 R . REIMER : I would have more room if I could get around back . I have a tractor and one bucket out front . I have another bucket on the tractor . There is not enough room to put everything . RAYMOND : Without a request through the Town Board to County road super- intendant to get something done . R . REIMER : They wasted money on the crossroad and made a dangerouse inter- section . Toward the church the County laid patch and let . it go . I have a lot of metal there , there is a lot of steel , ; - different types of stell . Some of it weighs a ton a piece . In my barn you would not believe the amount of stuff in there . DECKER : I feel there is the difference here . Things don ' t stay . The stuff moves ; it is not a continual buildup . RAYMOND : Is there any opportunity at all for expansion across the road ; could a neighbor rent you a piece of land? R . REIMER : There was a place owned by G . Pierson , but . . . now in a home and can ' t or won ' t sell it and now the barn is '' falling down . There is stuff in there from old furnaces and different parts ; I wish I could put it under cover because I do lose a lot . I have piping for heating and after a time I lose it . A piece of the building fell out and Ihave not been able to fix it . I now have a horse trailer sitting there . I do various things . I do plumbing , heating , electrical work , welding , fabricating . RANDALL : I think you should clarify what the trailer is doing there . R . REIMER : I ' m redoing it . The man can ' t afford a new one . I had to cut the doors off and fabricate new metal . ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -8- July 23 , 1985 RAYMOND : That is part of your repair business ? R . REIMER : That ' s part of its I do it on the farm a lots people bring stuff there to be fixed plus everything else . RAYMOND : That is your full time business ? R . REIMER : Since I been laid off . . ; : . . . . I put in for jobs but at 51 years old they have a pleasant way of saying you ' re under or over qualified . I have been trying to make ends meet . It was always a parttime business for over 30 years . RAYMOND : It is an established business ventures/ HANFORD : I don ' t know anybody over here I would just like to say that I would not like anyone calling my wife and talking about a problem and not consulting me and then being hauled before the Board of Appeals . WOOD : Mrs . Reimer called me . HANFORD : I don ' t think I would like some one dealing with my wife . I ' m : just stating an opinion . R . REIMER : That was alright , I had her call him . I work 16 hours a day , 11 7 days a week . So she ' s in the house and she can take and call just as good as I can . It makes no difference if she called or I called . RAYMOND : I do want to clarify that the Notice goes to the property owner ; it goes to someone whoes name is on the property . R . REIMER : The only gripe I have is having my name in the paper for something should not - have been . The vehicles may look like junk but are runable and licensed . ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING -9 July 23 , 1985 OFNERs ) Mr . Reimer , it appears at least one vehicle is not registered and it is posing a hazard as far as seeing on the corner is concerned . R . REIMER : No , it is in front of the house supposedly anything there on north side of house , the road is on the southside of the house the only reason that vehicle is there is I can ' t afford to drive two vehicles now . You live on $ 1004150 a month you can ' t afford 2 vehicles . RAYMOND : Does anyone else want to make any comments ? If not , we will close this portion of the Public Hearing and move on to the next . Violation of the Town of Groton Land Use and Development Code , Section 312 11 and Licensing and Regulation of Junkyard Ordinance by ALLEN RAWSON , 179 Hinman Rd . , Groton , New York , RAYMOND : This case involves large vehicles and other junk . Was this person given previous notices to clean up? WOOD : I sent notices and hand delivered notice that if action was not taken then it would be set up before the Board . RAYMOND : The notice gives December 28 , 1984 to remove by that date . DECKER : Since that time have you noticed any changes taking place ? WOOD : Not that I could notice . The last time I talked to Mrs . Rawson she said she and her daughter were working at trying to clean it up . There are several vehicles and two „ buildings . DECKER : He owns on both sides of the road? WOOD : Yes . I have not met Mr . Rawson but I thinit, . it is not that easy of a job . ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING 4 0- July 23 , 1985 DECKER : I went by it to look : and it looks like a building has either fallen down or whether it was caused by a fire . WOOD : It looks like it is not all there ; neither one . OFNER : The trucks around there , did they explain whether they were used on the property? WOOD : There are 3 on the houseside of the street , the one on the barn Bide is inoperable , unused . On the other side one is used , one is for sale and a third is hanging out . On way or another there are 2 or more vehicles at least that are unused . OFNER : They indicated that they eould be able to do something about it ? Either use them or get rid of them? WOOD : The one is for sale . OFNER : Do they operate a business that needs the outdoor storage area? l WOOD : I was not told any such thing . Mr . Reimerdid not indicate to me there was a business there either . It has „ an appearance of two buildings that have fallen in upon themselves . OFNER : They did not explain , other than the fact that one vehicle was for sale , they did not explain the reason for the material? WOOD : The explanation was , "yes , my daughter and I are trying to take the stuff to the dump ' . OFNER : Did you get the feeling that if some reasonable timetable was set they would get the place cleaned up? WOOD : Yes , probably . DECKER : It has been about two weeks since you talked with her . From the deadline of December 28 what has happened? WOOD : The time has just slipped away ; there has been no perceptable ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 11 - July 23 , 1985 changes made . One thing I stopped doing , after the first round , I don ' t take pictures any more . I really did not try to inventory . When it comes down to it , it is far better for you to see it yourselves . I have not tried to be sure if things were moved . DECKER : From December 28 was there any communication made until a few weeks ago ? We have nothing here showing that there was . WOOD : No , there was not until it came time to serve this notice . RAYMOND : You did talk to them when you gave them the November notice ? What was said then? WOOD : I don ' t remember . RAYMOND : Was that agreeable with them? They thought they could do something about it ? WOOD : Yes , it seemed they could work it out . DECKER : It ' s a lot of time since December 28 , some (people don ' t move unless they are being prodded . RAYMOND : The main thing in my mind is the indication they intend to do something . OFNER : Somehow we are going to have to set a deadline that is enforcible . They indicated they would like to clean up? WOOD : I think ' like ' perhaps is a poor word . They were willing . OFNER : They did not say they would not ? RAYMOND : I think I would like more information about" what they consider some stuff in relation to some business . DECKER : If there is a Mr . Rawson , is it feasible the things could be moved? RAYMOND : Was anybody there able to do that type of work? If they were able was the stuff unable to be moved without heavy equipment? it ,u ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 12- 1July 23 , 1985 WOOD : Most of it can ' t be moved without a truck . ' I fully expected them here tonight . RAYMOND : I thing we will move futher into this . about �,, capability to clarify the situation . Violation' 'of the Town of Groton Land Use and Development Code Section P � 402 . 2 , by undertaking construction without a zoning permite and N . Y . S . Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code by constructing without inspections for Code Compliance and occupying the structure with a Certificate of Occupancy by BRIAN LUCEY , 481 Lafayette Road , Groton , New York , WOOD : For anyone here who is interested , we at the Town level , have not much to say about the NYS Fire and Building Code . As of January , 1984 the State Legislature passedlla socalled Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code through out the State of l New York . It contains several sections inl'general , sections which cover fire prevention kinds of things pertains to all who build a house , obtain a mobile home or I�'manufactured home , and a building code for new construction . When the State Legislature enacted this law they made the 'prime responsibility for enforcing it at the local level . If the locality did not want to enforce it , the County would enforce it and if they opted out of enforcing it , it reverted back to the State . This Town chose to take it on and asked meito become the enforcement officer . It is a code that sets certain safety standards for different kinds of occupencie;'s . It is primarily i N 11 I ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 13- July 23 , 1985 concerned with public buildings . The building code applies to concerns of new homes . LUCEY : I was charged in violation with Building Code . My complaint is you should have spelled out what I am in' violation of . You 'can ' t say ' you are in violation of get 'down to specifics . WOOD : In the first place the NYS Fire Prevention 'and Building Code u is not something this Board has jurisdiction over . They have jurisdiction for the Town of Groton Land - 'Use Ordinance . In the notice it states you violated Section 402 . 2 of that law which says any new facility more than 100 s''quare fee , a zoning permit for construction is needed . That ishthe essence of the charge . u LUCEY : It was a rebuilding of a structure that been there for over 30 years . WOOD : The structure as it stands today was not th"e11 re before . LUCEY : There was a building before the building wa''s rebuilt because the end of the barn was falling off . WOOD= You have the essence of the problem . I LUCEY : I wrote to FHA to be granted a housing loan, from the Federal government to help rebuild but they sent a farm loan man that says we will loan you money at 15 per cent{ ' . I said not , I will get it from Social Services . I live in the end of a barn . I ' m not going to tear the structure down no matter how i you want to word it . Clarify what you want{; me to do . I changed the roofline , I fixed it , I ' m 69 years old too old to go on ' the roof to shovel them . The building was prebuilt to put the i ill ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING 44- July 23 , 1985 end of the barn back on . The original str structure u ture is from 1904 . The other structure there was falling down ,,,", I had it propped upe the same RAYMOND : I am trying to understand ; the new structure was built in/place where the old structure was and the same size ? LUCEY : Right . ° SMITH : The roofline was changed? LUCEY : The walls were changed to be stronger to hold up the old barn . It was built stronger using much of the same material and accumulation from stuff around the place to make it stronger so I would not have props against i.t : to = . hold tlhe other building P u . It sounds complicated . The garage was there , but it had props against it to hold it up . The base is not attached to the 11 other building . The end of the original building fell off . RAYMOND : This the garage ? OFNER : The barn wall fell off . I know where the garage is , that is still in the same place . LUCEY : Right , only the roofline is changed . N OFNER : The end of the barn fell off and you rebuilt it up and attached it to the garage . LUCEY : I had to take the garage down to nail the end of the barn back on , then the garage was built in the same palace only changed the roofline to a steeper pitch. hoping the„ snow would slide off but it did not . But the garage is still where it was OFNER : You have no brand new buildings ? LUCEY : No , the only thing that is new is the roof . !! ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING 45- July 23 , 1985 SMITHS Did you tear the old garage down? LUCEY : I had to . , SMITH : It is a new structure? LUCEY : It is a rebuilt structure . RAYMOND : It has the same floor space ? OFNER : It is the same place it was before ? LUCEY : Exactly . a HANFORD : If you are going to reside a house , roof needs repair , you take the wall down before you reside it . That is what he did . When you are 69 years old need access to garage door . You don ' t need to be shoveling to get to it . He changed the pitch of the roof so the snow would go to the side of the barn . Brian does not have to call an ambulance when there is sixl' inches of snow because he has to shovel out the garage door . The door is in the same place , the walls came down and were replaced . RAYMOND : The garage building , you used it right along before you rebuilt ir It ? LUCEY : I park my truck in it in the winter time . It is close to the road , don ' t have to reshovel to get out onto the highway . There was an extension beyond this building that was taken out . When I put it up originally in 1960 I moved the door so it opend 11 out and the snow plow would push the snow against the door so I could not get out . I put a new addition to get out to shovel to clean in front of the garage to open the doors . OFNER : Have you seen the barn? It is about 8 to 10 feet from the paving of the road . It is an existing non- conforming use . ill I� ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 16- it July 23 , 1985 I i LUCEY : I figured since it was a rebuilt structure why do I need a I could put building permit . Under the law/a new roof vrithout a building permit . I know because years ago I built a shanty on the north end of the building . DECKER : Structurally , he did not change the building . as OFNER : Gary , I am not/familiar with the Code as I should be . Where is .'. the line on renovating or reconstructing a building that is the same building and usage . Where does the line come when you have to have a Building Permit and not have one ? : Is a Building Permit only for new structures ? WOOD : Absolutely not . The law here says any construction of any facility . OFNERs What degree have to get Building Permit if " replace a back wall of a house if it rots away? Back wall and 'roof? WOOD : When you tear it down and rebuild , the rebuilding has to conform to the Code . ii HANFORD : What is it you want him to do ? n ii RAYMONDs That is what we are trying to figure out . WOOD : To do what he did he should have had a Building Permit , a Zoning Permit and a . Variance from the ZBA . li OFFER : What do we do when we have something that is after the fact ? RAYMONDs The structure h6w.,° there meets the Building Code ? WOOD : I have no idea . I have never been in ita but it does not meet the Land Use Ordinance . �a OFFER : It was a non- conforming structure . I viewed it and talked with a neighbor who has no communication with Mrll Lucey and he said I iF it i ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 17- Jul 2 1 8 ti y 3 , 9 5 from his observation the space that i' t occupies , the distance from the road , is the same as the past 14 years that he has been passing by there . There is some slight alteration to the walls angle to the building . The original foundation is the same ; the walls are outside from the original walls . LUCEY : There is no foundation underneath . It was builtV 'originally by • • • • • • • • • • • • . . . . The house which was built in 1797 that was sold in 1801 to Sam Quinton . What was left from the house , they built the barn . I used it as a cow barn ; now I live in it . I have to live someplace . They built it onl; the top of the ground . OFNER : There is no normal footers or foundation? LUCEY : No . Part of it was felled big trees and laid planks on it . OF11ER : You got new material , followed the same line , then whatever was left over used for the building? LUCEY : Used what was left . What else I needed I got from piles of scrap in my backyard . I try to have everything under cover . 11 To me everything should be neat and tidy . I did put a new roof because the old roof I could not salvage . I wanted to change the line so I did not have to shovel it . III''' don ' t know why but it ' s right there at the barn and house nextlldoor that the snow dumps . I have to go up on the roof and get l' the ice and snow offs RAYMOND : The central question here , what _--we are concerned with seems to ii be whether you had to have a permit in order to make allterations or rebuild on the main site . �i ICI ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 18- July 23 , 1985 LUCEY : I figured I did not need it ; maybe you figure I do , h RAYMOND : It is not what we figure , it is what the law says , u HANFORD : If you are going to reside a house and one wall needs to be replaced you need a permit for that ? Gary (said he did not believe so . What is the difference if you do all the walls at once or one at a time . If you make the thing strictly sounder , why are we bothering the man? ii RAYMOND : To clarify the Code : no facility inll, any district may d be moved , rebuilt , removed or enlarged Athout a zoning permit issued by the Zoning Officersii Ther is no Zoning permit required for normal maintenanlce and repairs . That is the law we have to go by . LUCEY : This was maintenance and repair . II ;I RAYMOND * The most recent rebuilding was last year ; that is the one we are concerned about . It is our problem how this is to be applied . HANFORD * He rebuilt the garage which was 25 years old so it would be safer . RAYMOND : The original building date means nothing . Would it be possible , we are talking about afterthe fact , if Gary looked at the structure and see if illt would meet the zoning requirements ? �I WOOD : I can tell you it won ' t from what he !Ilsaid . It does not a foundation under it and it does no have the required set back . Ili 'I d I'I' ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 19 l July 23 , 1985 i� OFNER : Evidently , part of the replacement Is the same kind u of building as before in the same place . RAYMOND : If it is/Aeon- conforming use and rebuilt from the ground up , the Town Law can deny use . WOOD : There is no way I can issue a building permit ] it does not meet the State Law . DECKER : If he applies for one and he is turned down he can come before us to apply for a variance . WOOD : You can ' t variance the State Law . OFNER : It is a matter of how you looked at °what was done to the building . DECKER : We had a non- conforming building as , long as it stood there but now he has done some maintenance on it . . . . . . . WOOD : That could be a way out and call it „ ' maintenance ' . OFNER : I ' m convinced it is not anymore non-iconforming than before . It is easily the same . Itlhas not been expand_d,d to a non- conforming area . WOOD : I ' ll go along with that . 'u DECKER : It has not changed the looks , they have improved them if anything . The use has not changed . It sounds to me to be a safer , better constructed unit . OF ?ER : On the other hand , he has be go through the same pro - cedure for a building permit . SMITH : Does Mr . Lucey have to make application for a building permit , be refused , then come to us?,l i't III ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 20 - July 23 , 1985 III WOOD : In this case I filed the complaint against him , that is why it came to you this time . OFNER : Some way or another we recognize some review is required above your level . ( zoning Officer ) LUCEY : When I originally constructed the building there was no highway there . In my abstract the County or Town have never taken steps to it . OFNER : By law , in the job he has , Mr . Wood , !,', if he sees something that appears to him inrnncompliancel'with the Ordinance , he has to go throught certain procedures . One procedure is to notify you that you need a permit to do that kind 11 of work . He can ' t do anymore or less := than that . He comes to us and says " Mr . Lucey did ;lnot respond , you figure it out ' We are not saying he'i is wrong , he has to do this . He is not mad��� at you personally ; but we have to come to some reasonable solutions We have to decide if we thing you created a hazard to traffic that was not there before , we have to do 'lone kind of thing . If you had something that did not fll � the standards hefore you repaired it or still does!' not after you repair it , we may say you did not do, anything any worse than before but also Mr . Wood did what he had to do l for his job . Some people might do something more drastic and he weld have to see that they conform to the standards . We will have to come to some kind ofl' reccomendation but I donft want you to think Mr . Wood did anything I� XONING BOARD OF APPEALS PUBLIC HEARING - 21 - 111 July 23 , 1985 wrong . What he did was what the Town hired him to do . I think we understand pretty well what you ' situation is . We require another meeting to make a decision on what we are going to do . The public is invited to the meeting . You can talk tonight but you can ' t talk at the meeting then . LUCEY : I ' m not going to tear the building dow , no matter what you sAy,4 , The building is there for a purpose , to house the truck in the wintertime . The building was falling down . wP L . RAYMOND closed the Hearing at f : 30 p . m . The meeting on the decision on the above items will be Wednesday , August 219 1985 . I , MARGARET A . PALMER , DO CERTIFY that at the Public Hearings for the Zoning Board of Appeals concerning , RICHARD REIMER , ALAN RaWSON and BRIAN LUCEY , at the Town ,-- Hall , Town of Groton on 11 Tuesday , Jjily 23 , 1985 , did take the minutes of said hearing and 11 the foregoing is a true andexact copy , to the best of my ability . I + The Town Board t ` " " T ` ° a Town of Groton o� .,, j s 101 Conger Boulevard Groton, N . Y . 13073 LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF GROTON riC �TI i5 ii fir�i3Y" U11IEiY , fi:iat a public hearing will be held by the Board cf Appeals of the Town of Groton at the Town Hall , 101 Conger Boulevard , Groton, New - York , on the 23rd day of July , 1985 , at 8 :00 P . M . A fact finding hearing will be held upon writtan complaints of Gary 'flood , Code Enforcement Officer of the Town of Groton , charging the following- violati -:)ns 1) Violation of the Town of Groton Land Use and Development Code , . -Licensing -- Section 3 12 , and _ 3 g and Regulation of Junkyard Ordinance by the following landowners by harbouring inoperable vehicles and other junk bye -- - Allen Rawson , 179 Hinman Road , Groton , N . Y . Richard Reimer, 850 Cobb Street , Groton , N . Y . 2) Violation of the Town of Groton Land Use & Development Code , Section 402 . 2 , by undertaking constxuction without a zoning permit ; and N . Y . S . [hiform Fire Prevention and Building Code by constructing without inspections for Code Compliance and occupying the structure with a Certificate of Occupancy by : Brian Lucey , 481 Lafayette Road , Groton , N . Y . All persons interested will be heard . Communications in writing in relation thereto may be filed with the Board before or at this hearing , Janet Bell , Chairman Zoning Board of Appeals - Dated July 16 , 198.5 7 107a3