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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001-12-20 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Minutes/Transcript of Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Thursday, 20 December 2001 — 7*30 PM — Town Hall Members, Groton Planning Board (*Absent) Others Present Monica Carey, Chair Joan Fitch, Recording Secretary Barbara Clark Sheldon Clark, Town Councilman Tom Guihan Ellard Sovocool, Town Councilman Mark Baxendell Donald Scheffler, Town Councilman Brad Albro Glenn Morey, Town Supervisor Mary K. Gloster Applicants & Public Present Gary Dennis, Agent for Sumner of NY, Inc. , Applicant ; Phillip Martinez, Applicant ; Steven & Cindy Cute for Michael & Doris Salerno, Applicants ; A. D. Dawson, Bob Tvaroha, Jr., John Fitch, Tina & George Norman III, Linda & Ray Struber, David Boyes Call to Order M. Carey: I'm going to open the meeting. Old Business Sumner of New York Inc RO/Applicant — Sovocool Hill Road TM #.qq i 6 i Major Subdivision M. Carey: Last month I made a procedural error in that the Planning Board cannot legally waive the Public Hearing on a major subdivision. I'd like to entertain a motion to withdraw the Board's Action #35 of 2ooi and set a Public Hearing date for tonight at 7: 30. Do I hear a motion? Be Clark: I'll make that motion M. Carey: Second? T. Guiliano. I'll second it . M. Carey: All in favor? (All Board members present indicated in the affirmative . ) Approved. So we'll hold the Public Hearing tonight at this time. I usually read the notice that was in the paper to open the Public Hearing and I don't see it in my folder. J. Fitch: Just read from the Agenda . M. Carey: Okay, we'll open the Public Hearing for the Major Subdivision submitted by Gary Dennis, Agent, for Sumner of New York, Hemlock Ridge Farm Subdivision on Sovocool Hill Road, Tax Map 33-1-6. 1. Gary, would you like to come up and just explain to the people here what your proposal is ? G. Dennis : Okay. My name 's Gary Dennis and we propose what falls into the subdivision category. It's six lots out of 203 acres of the old Schneider farm . We have some handouts if anybody hasn 't seen the sketch. I don't have very many. I got this from the surveyors, which is not complete, but it's a step further I suppose than the sketches that you have . I don't know if you can see them from back there, but here we go. Here's Sovocool Hill Road and there's a ten-acre one here on the west side of the property and then a 42 .5-acre, and then a 40, and then a 40, and a 50, and then we cut off a 15- acre piece. We actually were only going to do five lots because that's not a major, but — I can't think of her Page 1 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 name — there's a woman that has a doublewide right here on the end, so we cut her off. She couldn't afford a bigger piece, so we cut off a 15-acre piece for her. She's going to buy that property. Her doublewide was there, but she was actually on Paul's land. We've already worked that out with her. I don't know where that stands as far as her buying it, but she's going to buy that and then we'll have the other five lots for sale. Because it's six lots it's a major subdivision so we have to go through this . Are there any questions ? L. Struber: Lot #4 is where the house is ? G. Dennis : Lot #4 is where the house and the barn — they are all on Lot #4. L. Struber: Are you having any deed restrictions ? G. Dennis : Yes , we are . They are all right on the survey map already and they are also the last page of the handout. That's the only difference in the package I had last month and this month is Covenant #i they asked for a minor change . We had a statement in there something about all other businesses have to be approved by the Town. We took out the word other. It's very close to the same . . . no further subdividing, no single-wide trailers — there's eleven of them actually. Lot must be kept in good sanitary condition and shall not use it as a dumping ground or for trash and rubbish — a lot of the things that neighbors want to see. We've done this a few times before and we keep altering this a little bit to what most people want . We do stand behind them too. We've had a couple subdivisions we did where somebody put in a single-wide, so one of the other neighbors called and said hey, that's not supposed to be there and we served them papers, and we've been in business about eleven years . So we want to remain reputable so we stand behind them . Angela ? : (Lady in audience speaks regarding smells from Schneider farm ; inaudible . ) G. Dennis : Our plan is just to split it up and sell it as we've shown. We won't be doing roads . . Angela ? : It's an awful smell . G. Dennis : You mean it's like a septic, or . . . Angela ? : No, I think it's from the barn there . G. Dennis : There's nothing there right now that we have any plans to change . If someone does buy — do you know which lot it's on? But as far as the smell goes, I don't even know where that is . Hopefully someone will clean it up; they probably won't do much farming on 4o acres . G. Norman: Are any of the lots sold or anything ? G. Dennis : No. Well, we have a verbal agreement with the one with the double-wide on it. We actually cut the lot up for her. Otherwise, no. Our group is made up of 12 people. We're a small company. Three that buy land, seven sales people, and a boss and someone in the office . The seven sales people will take a weekend probably and put those up for sale; they'll take appointments and show the lots on weekends. Anybody that would like to talk to our boss before, just see me after the meeting and I'll give you his name and number. We like to sell to the neighbors and try to talk to them first . His name is Bob Lesperance, phone 607-563-8870. M. Carey: Any other questions? G. Dennis : Anybody's welcome to look at this map . It does show the swamp area back there. There is, the back half of this , it's not really shown on this map, is DEC wetland . It's called Bear Swamp, I guess. But the wetland basically is on this corner and goes something like this across the back. And of course there are DEC regulations for wetlands and I think the tenth protective covenant in there mentions some information about the rules on that . I have also here an air photo of the same with the lots on it so you can see where they fall . The first 10-acre one goes back to the woods; these go all the way Page 2 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 to the back, and the ig- acre one we cut off for her goes almost back to the woods. You can see the barns and farmhouse on Lot #4. B. Tvaroha : I don't see anything in here about the Oswasco Valley watershed for the City of Auburn and the State's regulations on that . Would this have any bearing on if they can build or how they can build ? M. Carey: The DEC will regulate the wetlands area . B. Tvaroha: This is something different . They tried to put a County dump in years ago and there's State regulations on the Owasco Valley watershed because of the City's drinking water from Owasco Lake. I don't see anything mentioned about that. I just wanted to know if there's any regulations for that that you would have to look into ? G. Dennis : Actually, I'm not familiar with that watershed and I don't know what regulations they have on residential — B. Tvaroha: I don't either, but I know that they would not allow them to — G. Dennis : Does it fall in the same section as the wetland ? B. Tvaroha: put a landfill in because of that . . . M. Carey: We did notify the County Planning Board and they sent a letter in. I don't see anything here referring to the Owasco watershed, in the letter that they sent us . B. Tvaroha: People will want to know that. What the regulations are and what can be done and can't be done. G. Dennis : Is the same half of the farm where the wetlands are ? B. Tvaroha: It would be the eastern part . . . G. Dennis : It sounds like most all the land up here is in either one watershed or the other. B. Tvaroha: Yes , but there's special regulations because of the drinking water coming out of Owasco Lake . . . G. Dennis : I can see what I can find out about that. M. Carey: Glenn, do you know anything on Owasco? G. Morey: I was hoping George would be here tonight . It's very strict up there . . . (couldn't hear what he said) . G. Dennis : The first covenant does mention that all uses will be in compliance with Town of Groton local laws in effect. Maybe that should have said Town of Groton, County, and State laws in effect. We could change that if that's what you want us to do. B. Tvaroha: You could probably get all the information you want by making a call to City Hall in Auburn. They are sort of on the lookout for things like that. G. Dennis : We'll see what we can find out. I'm going to take these back with me because they're half-finished drawings and the surveyor wouldn't like these floating around. He's up there working on it this week he was . Thank you. I 'll leave them here a little while though . Maybe I 'll leave them and you can hold onto them for me until we get the planning map. Then if anybody does want to look at them, they'll be here . Page 3 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 M. Carey: Thank you. Well, I guess we'll close the Public Hearing (time: 7#46 p .m.) . I need to have a motion from the Board to approve the Preliminary Plat with conditions, and do we want to state on the first one local, County and State laws ? Like Glenn said, the Public Health Department will come out and they'll check the septic and wells and stuff, so I think they will address most of the concerns. M. Gloster: Monica, in the County's letter that we got, it sounds like they're talking about when building permits are issued, they must tell exactly where driveways need to be located in relation to wetlands, and things like that, so that would fall under the Town regulations . M. Carey: Well, it is in there that have to follow all the local laws , plus with the Bear Swamp that will bring in DEC, but we can, if you want to, put that in the motion, if anybody wants to make a motion. Be Clark: I'll make a motion that we approve the Preliminary Plat for the Hemlock Ridge Farm Subdivision, with the applicant ' s Covenant #i revised to include "in compliance with all applicable Federal, State, County, and local laws in effect . " M. Carey: Second? M. Gloster: I'll second it . M. Carey: All in favor? (All Board members present indicated in the affirmative . ) Carried. This becomes Action # -q7 of 2001 . M. Carey: Now we need to have a motion to approve the Final Plat for the Major Subdivision with all the conditions . Be Albro : I 'll make a motion to approve the Major Subdivision Final Plat for the Hemlock Ridge Farm Subdivision, with the applicant ' s Covenant #1 revised to include "in compliance with all applicable Federal, State, County, and local laws in effect. " Be Clark: I'll second the motion . M. Carey: All in favor? (All Board members present indicated in the affirmative . ) Approved. This becomes Action # 38 of 2001. M. Carey: You're done. Thank you. G. Dennis : Thank you. Approval of Minute — 15 November 2001 M. Carey: Okay. Let's move on here. Is there a motion to approve the November 2001 Minutes ? Be Clark: I make a motion that we approve the Minutes for November 2ooi as they were written . T. Guihan : I'll second it . M. Carey: All in favor? (All members present indicated in the affirmative . ) Carried. This becomes Action # 39 of 2001. Page 4 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 Phillip Martinez. Applicant / dba Martinez Specialties. Inc. — 205 Bossard Road — TM #id- 1- 17.n — Site Plan Review/Special Permit for Business Expansion M. Carey: Is Phillip Martinez here? You're next on our Agenda . You have plans to expand your business? P. Martinez : Right. I talked with George Senter about a month ago about an intention to expand my business . Now the business that I have right now, I'm working under a Special Permit that was granted in 1995 by the Board. M. Carey: We have the Minutes from that Board meeting . P. Martinez : Right . For pyrotechnic devices, and I brought in a sample with me to show you what we manufacture . It's called an electric match and we work under regulations of the Federal government and State for manufacture of an explosive device, even though it's a very small amount . It's equivalent to a matchhead when you see it. It's that brown-colored tip on the end of the wire. We've been doing that for five years now and we need to comply with all Federal and State regulations . We have periodic inspections . The last State inspector was at our facility about three weeks ago. The ATF inspector was there this past June. We have two magazine storage facilities and we have an assembly manufacturing building right now that's in the back of the property in back of the residence that we have at 205 Bossard Road. That building is 12 feet by 16 feet and we're busting at the seams right now. We've got four people working in there at the most, and it gets very crowded. The basement of our home is devoted to storage of boxes and spools of wires, wire processing machine . My wife would like to get that out in the basement, and this year we are in the enviable position where we had to turn away three big customers that would have brought in, I estimate, another $ 150,000 worth of work. We don't do any advertising ; all our business is by referral . If we advertised, I can't image how big the business would be. What we would like to do is to build a larger assembly building in the front field of our premises . I've brought the survey map where I've marked that out. This is Bossard Road. This is our property right here. It's 15 acres. Our residence is right here; it's in a wooded area which is about 2 .5, 3 acres , right here. We have a front field and we have a back field. This is owned by Hall and West Groton Road is over here. The next door neighbor is Pam and Jeff Cronk, and their dwelling is right about in this location here. So what I would like to do — T. Guiliano. Where's the magazine located? P. Martinez : Okay, we have one in an area right here, and then we have another one that is right about in here. We have two. This is the one that we use the most; it's the closest to the process building that we have right now. That one is 8 feet by 12 feet and we keep a large amount of cartons in there prior to being shipped out. They're assembled in this building and then moved over here for storage until they get shipped out, usually by UPS , but we also do FedEx. T. Guihan : And that's chest type right ? P. Martinez : That's this one here. That's the chest type back here. This one looks almost like a storage building . T. Guiliano, Oh, okay. P. Martinez : Only it's steel. M. Carey: It's regulated by the State and Federal government right ? These buildings . P. Martinez : Yes , and I've got copies of my licenses if you'd like to look at them. I thought George would be here tonight; I was going to give them to him anyway. Part of our Special Permit requirement is that I supply George, it was Mark, with copies of our licenses . M. Carey: Okay. And this is the current one from the inspection three weeks ago? Page 5 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 P. Martinez: Yes . Both magazine certificates are in there, along with our State and Federal licenses . So, you know, we're a good neighbor. I'm sure if you asked Hall or Cronk — they don't hear things blowing up. We don't make a lot of noise . In fact, I like to keep a low profile. It's my opinion that the fewer people that know what I do there the better off because I don't want any kids coming in thinking they're going to get fireworks or explosives or something and break in, so I try to keep things low key. And that's the way we've been working for the past five years . M. Carey: Now where were you going to — P. Martinez : Now that's what's penciled in here. What I would like to do is — M. Carey: It's towards the front end of your property? P. Martinez : Right . Here's the floor plan. It would be a 3o-foot by 50-foot building . It would be 175 feet off of the front road and 125 feet off the side property line . It would require a well and a septic . M. Carey: And you plan to employ more people? P. Martinez : Right now we employ five, including my wife and myself and, within two years, I'd like to have ten. T. Guihan : Would ten employees be in here? P. Martinez : Mostly, yes. G. Morey: Do Mr. Cronk and Mr. Hall know you are planning an addition? P. Martinez: Cronk does. He knows intimately what I plan to do. Paul doesn't know about the — he know what we do back here certainly, but I haven't gone over to him with what we propose to do with the building in the front field . G. Morey: Where's his house located? P. Martinez : Oh, my gosh — West Groton Road — my scale would be — maybe about right here. And his house is someplace over in here. I don't even think he would see this from his house. When he's doing his fields, he would see it certainly. G. Morey: Now do you have to have any special construction for this new building ? P. Martinez : Well, it's going to have to meet all building codes because my intention is, when I retire — I don't plan on doing this for the rest of my life — I'd like to convert that into a dwelling rental to get some income. So it's going to be constructed along those lines . It's not going to be a cheap building . It's going to have radiant in-floor heat and central air conditioning. And when it gets converted into a three bedroom dwelling — so far I've got one quote; in fact, I got a quote today from Fingerlakes Construction; you can look at that if you want to. With that , the plumbing and heating, it's a little over $50,000. M. Carey: Now does that building have to be regulated by the Federal or State government ? P. Martinez : No. It's going to be an assembly and pack building . It's going to have the wire processing machines in it where we pack up the product. There's not going to be any mixing of chemicals or powders and things like that, so it doesn't have to meet the regulations . But it is going to be inspected. G. Morey: Is it going to be a stick-built ? Page 6 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 P. Martinez : Well, it's going to be a pole barn type. I can show you what Fingerlakes said. It's steel siding and a steel roof. They put up commercial buildings . It's going to have six-inch thick walls with R- 19 fiberglass in the walls and R-38 insulation in the ceiling . G. Morey: Now what do they use this stuff for? P. Martinez : When you go to a fireworks show, when you see it choreographed to music, and you see the shell burst going off in perfect synchronization with the music, it's all done electrically off of computer cues. And they have one of these attached to each fireworks shell and that's how they do it . The computer sends a command to fire the shell which sends a current through these wires and it causes that to ignite . And that tip, in turn, ignites the fireworks shell. So that's primarily what they are used for. We sell, right now, to the companies that do stage and screen, rock concerts; we just picked up a customer this year in California that does them choreographed at the Super Bowl where you see the fireworks going off at the Super Bowl. They use electric matches. You don't see anybody lighting it with a flare or a cigarette lighter or anything like that. It's all done electrically with an igniter. And the nice thing about it is it's used once and thrown away. There's millions of them used each year. And it's also a safety aspect too. The firework devices can be set off remotely by the operator, hundreds of feet away sometimes . Also, you can chain together, like Christmas tree lights . You can fire 50 firework devices all at once. The company that I work for, Young Explosives, does the fireworks display for Groton on July 4d. I'm the one who designs the show for you and I donate the electric matches . If you've been to the ones here and see the firepots going off that we shoot, those 12 firepots, that's 12 of my matches; one in each firepot. So we have the capability of doing that. M. Carey: Interesting. T. Guiliano. The match lights a fuse ? P. Martinez : It can either light the fuse and the fuse lights the powder in the lift charge for the shot, or what they do more commonly, they'll eliminate the fuse and they'll put this right in the lift charge. So when they light it, the shell goes immediately. If they put the match in the fuse, there's a little bit of a delay until it gets down to that powder and lights it. And if you're doing precise timing to music, you can't afford to even have a fraction of a second delay because it throws the effect off. Our failure rate is on the order of maybe 2 or 3 out of io,000. We try to keep it as low as possible because the fireworks people, if there is one failure, I hear about it. We buy the wire on its spool, but essentially what we do with the match head, I could have brought other parts, is we take material called copper laminate , printer circuit board material used in the electronics industry, and we cut it into strips . And then we put it into a punch press and it punches out the profile of these teeth. We have a strip of maybe 17 on one side and 18 on the other, as it's punched, and we call that a comb. It looks like a hair comb. And then there's a small resistance wire soldered on there that 's thinner than a human hair , about one-third the thickness of a human hair, and we spiral wrap that onto the comb. We have a little lathe that wraps it on. It's held on both ends with a piece of masking tape. And then what we do is put that in a solder pot and dip both sides and then it goes through a cleaning and wash operation. They're inspected under a microscope to make sure the wires aren't broken and there's no solder balls on there. From that point it goes into a chemical dip operation — three dips, primer, ignition, and lacquer overcoat. When dried they are cut in half so these igniter chips are hanging out. They are put into a soldering fixture and then clamped and then we put the lead wires in, one at a time, clamp those, and solder both sides, open it up, and we're done. The cutting and stripping of the wire is done by an automatic wire stripper. It's about $24,000 worth of equipment between the three pieces. We've never had an accident, but I wanted to see what would happen if one of these lit inside the soldering fixture . We took it outside and lit one off and it burned across in a line and smoke came out the ends. But no major conflagration . Things didn't blow apart or anything like that. They act like matches . One will light the other, light the other, light the other, in sequence. And it happens within about a second, second and a half. There's other things done in the fireworks industry that are certainly more dangerous than that and orders of magnitude larger. If we make ten cases of product, a case can weigh 50 lbs . , but the amount of pyrotechnic composition in that case is only about two ounces of that 50 lbs . So if we have ten cases, it's 20 ounces and that's a little over a pound which is nothing . Some firework companies have tons of material in storage . I think that was one concern when we had the original permit . So George wanted me to run this by the Board to see what would be required. Would it require a Page 7 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 new zoning permit, a new approval process, or what ? And I don't know if you're going to decide that tonight, but he wanted me to explain to you what we were proposing to do. Do you have any questions? M. Carey: Anyone else have any questions ? T. Guiliano. Are you anticipating, after building this building, to put another magazine in ? P. Martinez : I think that we should be sufficient with that one big one that we have which is 8 feet by 12 feet. The most product that we had in there — we had one customer — we ship to Australia — and they usually want to ship a large number to justify their shipping expenses, we had 14 cases in there and that didn't make a dent in that 8 by 12-foot building. Usually, the demand is such that as soon as it's ready it gets shipped out. We certainly don't hold inventory. We don't have that luxury. I wish I did sometimes, but usually we get an order for 8 cases and we build it up and it gets shipped out. It doesn't stay in storage . Not for any great length of time anyway . M. Carey: Okay, we have the Minutes of that 1995 meeting, and on the back side we have a piece of paper which shows a Special Permit with the conditions that were put on that Special Permit at the time you first came in. There was supposed to be no outside storage of materials , except in a State- approved magazine , and you still have to go through that regulation , right ? I mean the State basically regulates that ? P. Martinez : Yes . State and Federal. M. Carey: Okay. You are to generate no more outside noise than a normal gunshot which is common in the area . There's probably no noise involved , is there, except with maybe trucks coming in ? P. Martinez : Occasionally we test in the field. But if we do any testing, it's certainly not as loud as a .22 shot. Especially around hunting season . M. Carey: And the Town of Groton will get copies of all necessary State and Federal permits, which you gave to us tonight . They are all up to date. Does anybody else have anything else they'd like to add to the Special Permit ? M. Gloster: What is the advantage of having the building away from where you store the materials ? P. Martinez: By Federal and State regulations , you have to be a certain distance. Usually the building that does the processing of the chemicals can be no closer than 200 feet from an occupied dwelling . That's why our process building out here is in excess of 200 feet, and the separation distance from the building to the magazines is regulated also, depending on how much quantity is in storage at any one time in either one. M. Carey: Now will you still be using that processing building then ? P. Martinez : Yes . This will be strictly a chemical process building, and the new building will be strictly an assembly and pack building. And also, it will have amenities like a break room for eating lunches , and my office, and toilet facilities . M. Gloster: Where are those functions done now? P. Martinez: In our house. So the three ladies that work for us — I don't mind them using our bathroom, but you can't plan an expansion to a business and be working under those conditions . T. Guihan : You don't fire any pyrotechnic devices at your place? All you do is make the little matches ? Page 8 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 P. Martinez : Well, July 4"' I do put on a show for the neighbors . I write it off as a business expense , so I guess you could say I'm testing my electric matches . The materials are purchased by my corporation. T. Guiliano. Okay. But you don't store material like fireworks ? P. Martinez : Well, just before the 4h, yes. But after that, no. M. Carey: Anyone else have anymore questions? T. Guiliano. How do you store your chemicals ? Jars? Containers? P. Martinez : They are usually in a metal drum with a snap lid. But, here again , we don't need too much . M. Carey: Would somebody like to make the motion to approve the Special Permit with the conditions that have been stated? T. Guiliano. I 'll make the motion that we approve the Special Permit for the new building, as requested, with the applicant conforming to all Federal, State, County, and local requirements . M. Gloster: I 'll second that. M. Carey: All those in favor? (All Board members present indicated they were in favor. ) Carried. This becomes Action # 0 of 20010 P. Martinez : A lot of businesses complain about red tape. You get into something like this and you'll see how many regulations there are . We were inspected by a DOT inspector about three months ago and they are very picky on the regulations for shipping the product. You have to have a special container, a box, that has to be certified for use with your product. You can only pack a certain amount of product in that box. It has to be marked a certain way. They regulate you pretty well . A. Dawson: Are you required to have alarms , like a fire alarm or anything ? P. Martinez : No . T. Guiliano, Do you have a greater regulation when you ship overseas, like you mentioned, to Australia ? P. Martinez : You have to meet IATA regulations, International Air Transport Association. And then there's — my wife takes care of the paperwork for shipping . She did that at Smith Corona so she 's certainly more expert in it than I am . But yes, you have to meet — there's a commodity code you have to put on the shipping papers; you have to state specifically what's in the shipment, how much there is , dimensions of the carton, and then it has to clear Customs where it's going to. And, depending on the country it goes to, we cannot ship — FedEx won't take our shipments into the Netherlands , so we have to use a freight forwarder. He ships it directly in, but it goes on passenger aircraft. It's one of the few explosive items that's shippable on commercial aircraft . T. Guiliano. There's no explosion, though, is there? P. Martinez : You've got to understand that it comes under the regulations of explosives, even though it's a very small amount . There's something they call a class of explosives : dynamite is what they call 1. 1. This is what they call 1.4. Generally, the larger the number, the less hazardous it is . Ammonium nitrate that farmers use is a blasting agent; that's 1. 6. Even though it's fertilizer, it's also an explosive. Page 9 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 A. Dawson: Do you have to placard it as hazardous material ? P. Martinez: On this product, only if there's over i000 lbs . Then it has to be placarded. You could load a 40400t tractor trailer with our product and not be placarded. But if you're transporting fireworks for the 4u of July, that's 1.3 . These regulations say you have to be placarded even if you have one 3 -inch shell in a tractor trailer. New Business Michael & Doris Salerno. Ros — 210 Old Peruville Road — TM #a�r;-i-21.22 — Rural Subdivision M. Carey: Next on the Agenda is Cindy Cute as agent for Michael and Doris Salerno, for a rural subdivision located on Old Peruville Road, Tax Map #35-i- 21. 22 . Hi, you're Cindy? C. Cute: I'm Cindy. I have a letter from my father so that I can act as his agent . We weren't aware that we needed to do a subdivision. Mr. Senter told us. My father sold the main property, the house and the barn and outbuildings , with approximately 7o acres. That was closed on in September and sold to the Lehrmans . They are not living there yet. This is the survey of the breakout of that property. T. Guihan : This is your property right here? C. Cute: That's us, yes . M. Carey: Did your father send back the application? C. Cute : Yes, it was faxed in. If you don't have it, I have a copy of it that he faxed in . M. Carey: No, I don't have a copy. J. Fitch: Is there someone here who has access to a photocopier here who could make a copy for everybody? M. Carey: Glenn? G. Morey: Be back in about two hours . C. Cute: So, anyway, after that was sold there was approximately — well, I should say first that 6.4 acres was deeded over to my husband and I from my dad, which is that little cutout up on Peruville Road where we have a modular home set which we are hoping to move into in the next week or so. And I have both surveys , the original property deed and the one showing our driveway and our house now. M. Carey: This is the one up on 34B7 C. Cute: Correct. M. Carey: Okay. Now does this person own lands on both side of 34B? C. Cute : Originally. There was property on the Dryden side of 34B, but that was gone many years ago . M. Carey: Okay. Does everyone know where this new house is going up on 34B? C. Cute: And then we received a purchase offer for the remaining approximately ioo acres that was of the acreage that belonged to my father. That purchase offer was accepted. Page 10 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 T. Guihan : Is that the pink area ? C. Cute : Yes . And that's what this is . This is the remaining property. M. Carey: Now does that remaining property — does the barn set on that ? C. Cute : No, the barn went with the house — back over here — with the original home on Old Peruville Road. The house is here and the barn is here. 34B runs up behind . M. Carey: And now what is that considered part of? I mean we have, on our map, an A. C. Cute: That's this . This is 6 acres . J. Fitch : Could you refer to parcel numbers for the Minutes ? C. Cute : Parcel A is the property that had the house and the barn , the original farm . T. Guihan : That was on both sides of the road, right ? C. Cute : Both sides of Old Peruville Road. And then we have Parcel B, the 6.4 acres where we have a modular home put up ready to go into. M. Carey: Now Parcel B — is that wetland up there? C. Cute: Not a wetland, but water sits. It's been farmed . It's tillable . The back portion back in here is a woodlot. M. Carey: Okay. And that would include all of this property? C. Cute: The whole property would be all done by that time, yes. This is already sold. M. Carey: Parcel A is already sold. C. Cute: It was closed on in September. M. Carey: With the house and the barn? C. Cute: Correct. Parcel B was deeded to us in September also. And Parcel C has the purchase offer which has been accepted by my father to sell the remaining property. M. Carey: And the only access to Parcel C is 34B, right? Is there any access on Old Peruville Road? C. Cute : There is, only if the Lehrmans allow it. The easements that my father put into Parcel A were only until he sold Parcel C, or if he died. M. Carey: So this easement will not be — C. Cute : No, the easement will go away with the sale of the property, but I believe Mr. Lehrman has an agreement with the people that are going to purchase this to allow it if he needs to get access to the back field for plowing, or just to mow it. He's not a farmer. They intend on building just off to the east of us, and they are buying it because they don't want anybody around them, so I know they're not going to do anything to the property. M. Carey: Any other questions? Let's take a minute to look over the application . J. Fitch: There's no SEQRA form here, Monica . Page 11 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 M. Carey: I see that. We don't even have one that has the back part . G. Morey: Do you need a blank one? M. Carey: Yes . It wasn't me. This is all supposed to be in the folder for me. Thanks, Glenn. We'll need to have you fill this out, the front of it. Well read it first, and then I 'll have you fill it out. Joan's going to be our designated reader. This is the SEQR that we have to do on all subdivisions and this is a rural subdivision . Board Secretary Fitch then reads aloud Part II of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part II. Therefore, it was determined by the Planning Board, upon the motion made by Member Mary Gloster, seconded by Member Barbara Clark, with all members present voting in favor, that the action, based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environment impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration. This becomes Action #ai of 2001. M. Carey: And, would somebody like to make a motion to approve the Rural Subdivision? We are able to waive the public hearing with a Rural Subdivision. There's really not too many conditions that needs to be put upon it. Just contingent upon receipt of the required sudivision map required. Do I hear a motion? T. Guiliano. I'll make the motion to approve the Rural Subdivision contingent upon receiving the required subdivision map, and waive the Public Hearing . B. Clark: I'il second that. M. Carey: All in favor? (All Board members present indicated they were in favor. ) Approved. This becomes Action # R2 of tool. Other Business to Comp Before the Board M. Carey: Who has any other business to bring before the Board? Glenn ? G. Morey: At the end of the year we always pay our Board members their yearly check. Joan just finished the time sheet. I 'll turn that in tomorrow. Has everybody filled out a W-4 form? Okay, everybody's done one; I just got Mary's tonight. I wish everybody happy holidays. I'm glad you call came tonight because it's asking an awful lot. And also a Happy New Year . M. Carey: Do you want to tell them about our new Board Member? G. Morey: Mark and I are talking about it. It was the Board's last time, when we interviewed for a Code Enforcement Officer, that Jamie Babcock would be a nice addition to the Planning Board. So I talked to Monica . Maybe next month we can do a short interview and then make a recommendation to the Town Board. Any objections to that ? Page 12 of 13 (T) Groton Planning Board Public Hearing & Regular Meeting Transcript 20 December 2001 Adjournment M. Carey: Okay, if no one else has anything to bring before the Board I 'll hear a motion to adjourn. B. Albro: I make a motion we adjourn the meeting . B. Clark: I 'll second it . M. Carey: All those in favor? (All were in favor) . Carried. The meeting was adjourned at 8 :33 p .m. Jo itch, Recording Secretary 1/17/ o2 JAN 1 9 2002 lUM4 t,r vjow4 UN TOWN CLERK Page 13 of 13