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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-06-15 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting - Thursday, 15 June 2000 - 7 : 30 PM Members , Groton Planning Board (*Absent) Others Present George Totman, Chairman Joan Fitch , Recording Secretary Monica Carey Glenn Morey, Town Supervisor George Van Slyke Adam & Tatyana Leshkevich , Applicants *Van Travis Robert Walpole, Applicant Barbara Clark Bob & Sharon Fouts April Scheffler John Chamberlain, Applicant *Brenda Talbot John Robbins Gary Knapp The meeting commenced at 7 : 30 p. m. Approval of Minutes - 18 May 2000 G. Totman : Okay. Has everybody read the Minutes? Do they want to make a motion to approve them or make changes or modify or whatever? M. Carey: I make a motion that we approve the Minutes of the May meeting . . G. Van Slyke: I 'll second . G. Totman : All in favor? (All Board members present indicated aye. ) Adam Leshkevich, Applicant/Robert Fouts , RO - 97 Wood Road - TM # 28 - 1 -55 . 2 G. Totman : Okay, we have a Site Plan Review for a Motor Vehicle Repair Shop on Wood Road which is a rented property and I'm going to let them speak for themselves. As I understand it, he buys vehicles, brings them in, does something with them, and sells them . And the landlord is in favor of what he's doing, so it's up to us to say whether it's a legal operation in the Town of Groton or not. Is that putting it correctly? R. Fouts : Can I elaborate a little? G. Totman: Yes, in a minute . J. Fitch: I need the name when they speak. G. Totman : Yes . The name of the applicant is Adam J. Fitch: I have that. G. Totman: Oh , you have that. Okay. So when you speak, just give your name and where you live. A. Scheffler. Didn't I give you a packet? J. Fitch: Yes, but who's Adam Leshkevich? When they speak, I need a name . A. Scheffler, Okay, G. Totman: Who wants to speak -- you want to speak for them? Page 1 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 R. Fouts: Just to begin with . I'm Bob Fouts and I have the farm over on 222 and happen to rent a house to them. They use to work for me and they come from Russia. And the reason he quit working for me is he couldn't get a green card . And so to make a living, they went to -- well he -- he'll tell you in a minute because he can speak English . I taught him English . But anyway, as I understand it, he hauls cars for people . Sometimes they are wrecked, whatever, and sometimes he brings them home and they come and they go . It doesn' t bother our operation any and Mark Gun, the Zoning Officer, he cited us for -- he apparently went by and saw a couple in the yard. Sometimes they're wrecks and sometimes they're not. He hauls them for people . That's how he makes his living. So anyway, with that, it isn't really a repair shop . He doesn't do much of any repair there . Maybe he can elaborate on what he does. They just come in and go out. Anyways, Adam and Tanya -- Adam, tell them what you do there or you want to do . A. Leshkevich: Sorry, my language little bit -- T. Leshkevich : He would like if possible to get permission to have a repair shop, buy cars, and fix them. He has a towing service. He brings cars for somebody. Sometimes these cars have to stay overnight and then he takes them to Canada or Pennsylvania. He would like to get a license to fix cars to repair cars, like repair shop. R. Fouts : So I was wrong, but anyway you heard them. G. Totman : As I understand it, from what you're saying, it's in the future. He's saying the present. T. Leshkevich: Yes, G. Totman : Okay, G. Van Slyke: Then I have a question , I guess, Bob. The building out back, is that where he was intended to be? R. Fouts: The tool shed -- or are you referring to the large building? . G. Van Slyke : Yes, there's one farther back out in back. R. Fouts: Yes, we use that for our farm machinery. G. Van Slyke : Oh , okay . R. Fouts: He keeps a car in it once in awhile and we get along fine . But there's a small red building there that has an overhead door in the back between the house and the tool shed . And that's the one he's using now that he uses for his purposes. G. Van Slyke : Okay, so he wouldn't be using the one way in the back which is -- R. Fouts : Not normally, no . G. Van Slyke: All right, so you're talking a -- what's the size of that building would you say? R. Fouts: The one that he's using? G. Van Slyke: Yes. R. Fouts: Probably maybe 14 by, well, it's a little bit irregular. There's a little addition on there , but maybe 28 . The people that were there before used it for a dog kennel, and we tore everything out put an overhead door in the back. G. Totman: So far, how many cars have you had on the property at any given time? Page 2 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 A. Leshkevich: Four or five . . . for transportation to Canada, two cars more. G. Totman : But you don't actually sell the cars from that property? T. Leshkevich: No . R. Fouts: As I understand it, the Russian community is kind of close and once in awhile he might sell one to a friend or something -- am 1 correct? T. Leshkevich: His family's come here . His brother came here . So he need a car. So he helped him, you know, to fix the car. But he doesn' t sell car here . As I told you before, sometimes he goes to Pennsylvania to pick up some cars and he just has to leave them in our yard before to go to Canada for paperwork. And so like two, maybe three, maybe one to go to Canada . . . M. Carey: Mostly they don't stay more than a couple of days in your yard? T. Leshkevich : . . . no. G. Totman : And are the cars in your yard in your name , or in somebody else's name? T. Leshkevich : In my yard? G. Totman: The ones he brings in, drops off, and waits to go - - who owns them? T. Leshkevich : Ah , the dealer. The dealer from Canada or from Binghamton, or from Ithaca, wherever. He doesn't buy these cars. The dealer buys these cars and then he just does transportation. M. Carey: Like a transport. R. Fouts: He just hauls them. G. Totman: Drops them off and waits. R. Fouts: They have to wait for the paperwork to get through the border. That's why the delay. G. Totman : Okay, R. Fouts. Most of the cars that I've seen have some sort of damage to them. Apparently they take them up there and fix them. G. Totman: It's a legal operation, right? R. Fouts: They buy them from an auction down in Pennsylvania or whatever. G. Totman: I've heard of people buying things here and taking them to Canada. Well, if you were applying to the Planning Board for car sales on your yard which actually is allowed in that area, or a repair shop , what the normal procedure of the Planning Board has been in the past is to make sure that there's ample parking, you can get them offroad, or you're going to keep them in a particular line and you can sort of limit how many you can have on the property at a given time . Like, you say you don't usually have more than four, and those type of things. I 'm just saying that for general for people listening. And there has been cases where we've allowed motor vehicle repair shops or people selling cars or doing repair work on cars where we make sure there can be no so-called junk cars, cars that are not operable to run or anything like that, because then you're only allowed one . And if it was allowed , it would have to be that, if a limit was set here that you say you could live with , then you couldn't really have any more than that at any one given time -- maybe for a day, but nothing more than that . But I'm talking in general now, not really for the Planning Board because I want them to ask questions and find out exactly where they want to go from here . Anybody got any questions? Page 3 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 Be Clark: What type of truck do you have to transport a trailer? R. Fouts : He has a truck that you can haul one car on , plus a trailer that he can pull behind with another. Be Clark: Oh, so he can haul two at a time? R. Fouts: Two at a time . T. Leshkevich : Yes. R. Fouts: And something I'm not quite sure of, and it doesn't matter to me, is I gather maybe they are applying for a repair shop . We don't want to have to come back again . My objective here tonight was to get it so that Mark Gunn wasn't on my back. G. Van Slyke : Bob , did he have a reason when he cited you? Was it because they weren't orderly? R. Fouts: No, it was because you're only allowed one unlicensed vehicle and he had like three or four. G. Van Slyke : That's right. Okay. Be Clark: Would you permit him to have a repair shop there? R. Fouts: We get along fine. Yes . Be Clark: Okay, so that wouldn't be any problem? R. Fouts : No. G. Totman: Monica? April? M. Carey: Sounds fine tome , I'm just not sure how we would classify it. A transport business. But I mean if he's asking for a motor vehicle - - A. Scheffler. I sense it should be considered part of a repair shop, couldn't it be? G. Totman : Well, he's applying for a motor vehicle repair. And actually, at this particular point, what he's doing is storing for a short period of time . And he's planning, at some given time down the road when he gets his proper paperwork in order, to maybe have one or two cars and repair them so that they're worth more -- now the cars - - that's why I was asking who owns the cars . And the dealers own them. So whose cars would you be repairing? T. Leshkevich : If you give permission to us, we'll apply for dealer's license himself, and then he will be able to buy a car at auction to fix himself . . . G. Totman: So really what you're applying for is motor vehicle repair and sales. Is that correct? M. Carey: You would eventually sell them right at your place? T. Leshkevich : Don't think so. M. Carey: But they will come to your place to look at the cars? T. Leshkevich : Doesn't sell cars right now and last week he had three cars because he didn't get paperwork in time , So he must wait. He doesn't have any place to keep these cars. Like right now he Page 4 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 take two cars from Syracuse and tomorrow morning he's going somewhere, so they have to stay there all night. Right now it's a small business. G. Van Slyke : When I went by, the cars were lined up here . This tractor was up front and there were , I think, maybe three cars along this side . G. Totman : Is it such that these four or five cars that he's talking about, when they're there awaiting transit, they could be lined up in an orderly row behind the red garage? R. Fouts: Where do you put them now when you bring them? Sometimes they stay on a trailer G. Van Slyke: But when he has extras -- let's say he went and got two today and he had two already -- T. Leshkevich: Behind garage . G. Van Slyke : You could do it behind the garage? T. Leshkevich: Yes. G. Van Slyke : That's the question you had , right? G. Totman : I guess what I'm saying is if we said okay because we basically allowed motor vehicle repair shops in all parts of the RA district, but we've put a limit on how many cars they could have that are either customer cars or cars that are waiting to be repaired , and sort of had a diagram of where they're going to be stored . Not if they're on a trailer and they will be overnight so they are out the next day or whatever -- what I'm talking about is the cars that are like sitting on the property. As I understand it, what is it -- to the right of the house there's a little red garage? If you get approval for say five cars, put them in a line in an orderly fashion behind that garage while you're waiting to do whatever you're going to do with them. Would that be unreasonable? R. Fouts: Well, one problem is I plow the driveway in the winter. Sometimes I'm a little short on time , so they haven't had a good driveway to get back there to it . G. Totman: Oh , I see . You're only talking about a day or two at a time? R. Fouts: Yes, G. Totman : With the winters we've had lately, you haven't had much of a problem . R. Fouts: Do you understand what he's asking? T. Leshkevich : Not exactly . G. Totman: Go ahead. R. Fouts : He's saying that when you get those cars, if they could be lined up behind the garage in more of an orderly manner. G. Totman: While you're waiting . R. Fouts: Yes, G. Totman: See, what we have to think about is what is the aesthetics of the neighborhood. I know you don't understand that. G. Van Slyke : That's a great word . It's what the place looks like . Page 5 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 M. Carey: It's what the neighbors think. G. Totman: What is the perception of your property with the neighbors across the road or up and down the road . They don' t want to see a junkyard appearing next door to their house or across the road. And what we're trying to do is say all right, we're trying to help you make a living, but we want to keep it, in conjunction with the neighborhood , in perspective of cleanliness, neat and orderly fashion . She didn't get me . T. Leshkevich: Yes. I don't know about neighbors. They are way far so much . G. Totman : I know they are . Well, Jacksons live across the road , but there are no real close neighbors . I know that. M. Carey: But see if you have more than one car, people start thinking it looks like a junkyard - - an unlicensed vehicle . G. Totman: But up to this point, have you ever had a car that stayed more than a week? T. Leshkevich : Me? G. Totman: Well, you or him. T. Leshkevich : Yes we have , but it's not usual . A. Leshkevich: Sometimes, G. Totman: But it's not the normal. Okay. Anybody got any suggestions? M. Carey: Well , if they're thinking about a repair shop , I think we should do it for a repair shop and sales. That's what they're aiming towards. B. Clark: And then they won't have to come back and reapply . G. Totman : How about storage of cars? R. Fouts: Is that a restriction - - how many they can be stored? G. Totman: Yes. R. Fouts: Even if they have them in the tool shed or whatever? (Board members get together and talk over possibilities±, locations±, and sketch out diagram. All talk at once. No individual verbatim recorded .) G. Totman: What do you think would be the most cars you would have on the property at any one given time, not counting your own? T. Leshkevich : You mean how many cars? G. Totman: These cars that you're moving in and out -- how many at one given time would you have on the property? T. Leshkevich : Right now, or future? M. Carey: At anytime . B. Clark: At one time . Page 6 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 T . Leshkevich : I mean if you don't be able to have repair shop? M. Carey: Right, T. Leshkevich: Maybe five, maybe four, maybe six. G. Totman : Okay. See if this makes sense . (George goes over to Mrs. L. ) I've made a little diagram here . If this is where the house is and that's your red barn, if we allowed -- I say if. Do you know what that means? T. Leshkevich: Yes. G. Totman: If we allowed six cars that are there to be in transit -- you know, that are coming and going -- and also if you're going to fix some, you're obviously going to fix them inside the barn or whatever. But at anytime, if the Code Enforcement Officer drives by, he's not going to see more than six cars. Would that be something you could live with? Check with him (indicating husband) . How is that? R. Fouts : Yes, we can get along with that. G. Totman : Did you see what I did? M. Carey: Yes. G. Totman: Okay. Anybody want to carry it any farther? J. Fitch: Did they say yes they could live with it? G. Totman : They said yes. M. Carey: I don't see that we have any problem. G. Totman : Okay, wait a minute . Let me see if I can explain this first. R. Fouts : Does it cost anything to do this? G. Totman : For the permit? R. Fouts : Yes. G. Totman : Oh , yes. Three-hundred dollars for the landowner. April? A. Scheffler. Forty. G. Totman : Forty dollars . R. Fouts: A year, or what? A. Scheffler. No. Just onetime. G. Van Slyke : It's a one-time fee . G. Totman : Okay. On every action that the Planning Board takes, we have to do what they call an environmental review. They call it SEAR. And it's hard to understand for any ordinary person, not just you , to understand why sometimes we have to do these things. But it's the law. So we've got to go through this to see whether it meets the environmental review status or not. And George Van Slyke is going to read it and the people are going to respond to it. Page 7 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 Board Member George Van Slyke then reads aloud Part H of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part H. Therefore , it was determined by the Planning Board, upon the motion made by Member Carey, seconded by Member Clark, with all members present voting in favor, that the action, based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environmental impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration. G. Totman : Okay, now we need a motion to either approve of disapprove what has been presented. G. Van Slyke: I make the motion that we approve the repair shop and sales with the stipulation of six cars stored in a row behind the red garage as per the sketch . B. Clark: I second the motion. G. Totman : All in favor? (All Board members present indicated aye .) Now what I'd like to do is ask you to repeat to me what we just passed . T. Leshkevich: What? G. Totman : I just want it for the record to make sure that you understand what we did . You read English, right? T. Leshkevich : Yes. G. Totman: Okay, T. Leshkevich : Approve the repair shop and sales with six cars stored in row behind garage as per sketch. G. Totman : Do you think you can live with that? T. Leshkevich: Is it for six cars he is going to fix and sell , or this includes cars -- G. Totman : Not in the garage . This is cars that we can see from the road. G. Van Slyke: I think the question that she's asking is does this include just the ones he's repairing, or does this include all the cars? G. Totman : All the cars. I mean you only can repair one or two at a time, and you told me you normally have only four. So that's six is the most that you told me about. T. Leshkevich : But he has two cars from auction and he's going to go to next auction tomorrow, right. He will still work for somebody. Is that like he can have four cars for himself to fix and sell? Does that mean he cannot have two cars like for towing service? G. Totman : That's why earlier I asked you how long do the cars normally stay on your property, and you said it was unusual if they lasted more than a week. So does that answer your question? Normally your turnover is such that you would never really ever have more than six at a time . R. Fouts : Sitting outdoors. G. Totman : Yes. Now you could have one or two in the garage and that doesn't count. I'm only talking about the ones that are in the row out behind the garage . M. Carey: What about if they are on the transport? Page 8 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 G. Van Slyke: Why would he want to unload them? M. Carey: Yes. You wouldn't unload them. He'd leave them on the transport so they'd be ready to go . G. Totman: Okay, we're not counting those . G. Van Slyke: But that's what she's asking I think. M. Carey: Yes. So if they're on the transport, they wouldn't be counted as the six behind the garage . T. Leshkevich: That's what I mean , yes. G. Totman: Okay. That's it. R. Fouts: When do you need the forty dollars? A. Scheffler: They paid their 30 when they applied. It's an additional 40 for the Special Permit. So they owe 40. G. Totman: So actually it's 70 altogether then? A. Scheffler: Yes. Bring it in to the Clerk's Office. R. Fouts : They could come tomorrow sometime then. A. Scheffler: They can come tomorrow and pay it or they can wait until Mark gets the Special Permit done -- G. Totman : Or they can send a check in the mail. A. Scheffler: Or they can send it in the mail. R. Fouts: Any question on that, Tanya? T. Leshkevich : No. G. Totman : Okay, David J. DuMont, RO/Walpole Real Estate , Applicant - 813 Lick Street - TM #s 204 -44 & 2 . 211 G. Totman: David DuMont, 813 Lick Street. Robert. R. Walpole: David DuMont purchased 3. 15 acres. He sold it though three or four years ago; I'm not exactly sure when the transfer was. He previously owned the property. he owns the property around him. We transferred out - - I think he's got a survey map with it -- A. Scheffler: The survey map's in the file . R. Walpole: On the big survey here there's a mobile home and that was transferred -- 150 feet of road frontage, one acre -- was transferred out. Now the balance of this property is -- this line has been eliminated with the County assessment, this line back who also owns it, David DuMont, so we're just eliminating this to eliminate any flag lot. Page 9 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 M. Carey: So basically all you're doing is just moving the boundary to make it to a smaller property. R. Walpole: The 2 , 15 acres is going back onto the 24 acre deal . M. Carey: So you're just moving the boundary down and making it for this one-acre lot. G. Van Slyke : That's gone , right? R. Walpole: If you look on the County thing, it's already done that. Eliminating the one line so we only got one tax map . M. Carey: Because it was a lot that was created quite awhile ago right? R. Walpole: It was created quite awhile ago in reference to a break-up . M. Carey: So basically it's just a boundary change . R. Walpole: Yes. M. Carey: Do we need to do a SEQR on this seeing as how G. Totman : Any action we take requires a SEAR. George , G. Van Slyke: Okay, Joan . Here we go . Board Member George Van Slyke then reads aloud Part H of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part II. Therefore , it was determined by the Planning Board, upon the motion made by Member Carey, seconded by Member Scheffler, with all members present voting in favor, that the action, based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environmental impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration. G. Totman : All right. Was there a motion made about the boundary change? M. Carey: I make a motion that we approve the boundary change . A. Scheffler: Second it. G. Totman : All in favor? (All members present indicated aye . ) Approved . Carl & Gladys Francis , ROs/Walpole Real Estate , Applicant - Old Stage Road - TM # 20- 1 -41 A. Scheffler: Bob also brought in that other thing there . Wait a minute , I don't know if you saw it, George. G. Totman: Walpole. Old Stage Road it says. A. Scheffler: Yes, there's copies there for anybody that hasn't got them. G. Totman : Copies here for everybody. This was not on the Agenda. A. Scheffler: It's basically the same from last month . G. Totman: This was not on your Agenda. Page 10 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 M. Carey: I've got one from last month. G. Van Slyke: Oh, I got one . A. Scheffler: I added a tax map with neighbors on it. That' s the only thing different from last month . It'll give you a better idea of where it is. G. Totman : Maybe Robert would like to explain this. R. Walpole: Let me give you a quick preview. The potential buyers are sitting here : Gary Knapp and John Roberts . And what they're doing, they're buying the full 24 acres. Reagan & Manzari survey firm will be surveying this after we close on it. There's going to be three 8-acre lots . The one to the west toward TM #40. 6 will have 315 feet of road frontage . That will go into John's name . The one next to that will have 215 feet of road frontage ; it will go into Garyrs name. The last one has 200 feet of road frontage and will be in both names as joint ownership . G. Van Slyke : Wait a minute . This is confusing here . G. Totman: Yes, because it's only got 500 to begin with . G. Van Slyke : You only got 500 foot of road frontage and you've got 315 and 215 . R. Walpole: No, there's 315 , 215 and 200. G. Totman: Oh , the 200's on the other side . G. Van Slyke : It looked like this was -500 from here to here . R. Walpole: Okay. You should have a copy of the map from the surveyor -- Barbara's got one right there . G. Van Slyke : Oh, okay. G. Totman : So all of the lots have the legal road frontage? R. Walpole: Yes, and they all exceed -- they all are about 8 acres . G. Totman: You're going to have three lots. Which is the dividing on the back side? This line right here? R. Walpole: Yes, this line here . M. Carey: What's this other lot that's here in the middle? R. Walpole: That's owned by the people across the road named Hopkins. M. Carey: Okay. So this has already been taken out? G. Totman : It's on the tax map as a lot of record . R. Walpole: As a lot of record -- Parcel # 10. G. Totman : That arrow that goes back and forth there . R. Walpole: They have met with DEC; I'm assuming you talked with DEC . They've met all the requirements from the Health Department as far as they're concerned at this point. A. Scheffler: What was DEC's concern, the creek? Page 11 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 R. Walpole: They met with DEC because there was a problem with the next door neighbor the DEC walked into when the guy put ponds in a couple years ago . They have already cleared that which has no real significance at this point. The gentlemen next door went ahead and put ponds in without permission from the DEC . But the DEC, as long as they met the requirement, which he did meet the requirement, there's no problem with the DEC . But they were made aware of it and have already talked to DEC because that is a feeder stream that goes right into Fall Creek and it's protected . G. Knapp: The only real feasible place to build is on the other side of that creek. A. Scheffler: And the Health Department has you away from the creek as far as where you're going to put your septic and things like that. G. Knapp: Yes, we'll be plenty far away from the creek. I'll be about 300 foot from the creek, approximately. R. Walpole: That's approximately, April, about 1100 feet deep. Where they are going to be is isolated. They're going to be back up and obviously they got to get a permit -- in order for a building permit to be issued, the Health Department's got to issue an application for -- M. Carey: Well, I don't see any problem with it. It meets all of our requirements for a subdivision, the subdivision regulations . R. Walpole: The only reason we brought this in, even though they are not the current owners, we just wanted to make sure that there wasn' t -- we did not want to transfer property without at least having tentative approval, subject to probably you know before it can be signed, the final surveys being delivered to you . G. Totman: Yes. R. Walpole: I just wanted to make sure. I didn't them to invest in property and then couldn't use it. The owner agreed to it. G. Totman: Okay, George, do your thing. G. Van Slyke: Part II Environmental Assessment -- Board Member George Van Slyke then reads aloud Part U of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part H except for Cl which has been satisfied with the DEC. Therefore , it was determined by the Planning Board, upon the motion made by Member Scheffler, seconded by Member Van Slyke, with all members present voting in favor, that the action , based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environmental impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration . M. Carey: I make the motion that we approve the three-lot subdivision. A. Scheffler: I'll second it. G. Van Slyke : Without a public hearing? M. Carey: Without a public hearing. G. Totman : All in favor? (All members present indicated aye .) You're all set. Page 12 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 John T. & Matilda Chamberlain, ROs - 102 Old Stage Road - TM #s 16- 1 -23 . 7 R. Walpole: You're on the carpet, John. G. Totman : I guess I didn't understand this one, to be quite honest with you . G. Van Slyke: Well, there's a strip of land -- G. Totman : I see that. He wants to make 23 , 1 a little bit larger -- 23 . 7 a little bit larger and 23.7 also owns the land behind, so you want to take that line out that's in the back of 23. 7 so that it's contiguous to the lot behind , and then move the other lot over to 23 . 1 . A. Scheffler: Take that little strip of land out of there. G. Totman : So , John, what you're saying here is -- this is your lot here. You want to eliminate the line where the - - J. Chamberlain: Right. I want to put the boundary over here. G. Totman: Where the right-of-way is. You want to move 23 . 7 over so it meets with 23 . 1 and eliminate the north boundary line of 23 . 7 so then it includes all this parcel out here? J. Chamberlain: No, no, no, no -- I just want to get rid of this little strip . G. Totman: Well, if you get rid of this little strip right here, this becomes landlocked. A. Scheffler: No , it goes out to the other road . G. Totman : Okay, no problem then . I'm sorry. J. Chamberlain: Yes, I reviewed it with Mark and he said no problem. M. Carey: This goes out on Chipmans Corners Road. G. Van Slyke: You have access on Chipmans Corners? J. Chamberlain: Yes. G. Totman : No problem with the boundary change . M. Carey: Right, J. Chamberlain: I just didn't want that -- that was an access road that Roger Gleason put in there when we bought the lot so that he could get back to these woods. Whoever buys our property won't want that access in there . G. Totman : Well, he did that by mistake so we got to go through it again and just cross that off. A. Scheffler: Did I give you an extra page? G. Totman : Oh, I'm sorry . Let me go get you one . There might be one right in the drawer. M. Carey: How many feet is that access road? J. Chamberlain: Twenty feet. M. Carey: It's 255 now; it will be 275 . G. Van Slyke: Okay, are you ready Joan? Page 13 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 Board Member George Van Slyke then reads aloud Part H of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part H. Therefore , it was determined by the Planning Board, upon the motion made by Member Carey, seconded by Member Scheffler, with all members present voting in favor, that the action, based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environmental impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration, G. Totman: Next? A. Scheffler: I make a motion to approve the boundary change . G. Van Slyke: I'll second it. G. Totman: All in favor? (All members present indicated aye . ) G. Totman : Does anybody else have anything to bring before this meeting? J. Chamberlain: I just have one question . Can I get something in writing from you that says we've done this? A. Scheffler. You will . J. Chamberlain: Okay, good . I'm trying to sell the property and that's liable to come up . And I'd like to have something. G. Totman: When do you want it? First of the week? J. Chamberlain: No, there's no rush . G. Van Slyke: Are you going to sell just where your house is? J. Chamberlain: No, we've got them both up for sale . OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD Unknown Prospective Applicant G. Totman: Okay. April, you want to talk about something? A. Scheffler, I just had a question . This is another one of Bob's projects on Lick Street. Krings have two pieces of property. One piece of property actually has two houses on it and a little narrow strip and they are going to sell the one house . I would say they need a boundary change to put part of that parcel and the little strip together. M. Carey: I thought the strip was added in when they put the second home on that lot. A. Scheffler: It's still a separate tax parcel. M. Carey: It is? A. Scheffler, On the tax roll . M. Carey: Because they bought it from Drakes to make that a legal lot at the time. G. Totman: I can't see what you're talking about. Page 14 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 M. Carey: It's that little blue house there , the Krings . A. Scheffler: This is the tax map . This is the lot with the two houses on it. I just put that line in there . This is the lot. They also own this little tiny lot. So they're going to put a dividing line here in order to make it 150 foot; they're adding this lot to this lot. G. Totman : It's kind of academic isn't it? One of the things in the future I think you ought to look at in the Planning Board and the Town Board is that we give one lot -- you don't need to come to us for one lot subdivisions. To me, on a boundary change , as long as it's legal and the Code Enforcement Officer checks it out and it's not making something non-conforming, I think it's kind of crazy to have to come to the Planning Board for a boundary change as long as it's staying within the scope of the Ordinance . You're going to pass it anyway. M. Carey: See, I thought that little strip was added on when -- G. Totman : No, probably, the way our Ordinance is written up - - I mean, they can do it as a one- lot subdivision without coming to us. But if they want to change the boundary to make it more legal, then they've got to come to us to make it legal. Which really doesn't make a lot of sense. G. Van Slyke: Is there two strips there? A. Scheffler: The other strip is owned by these people. M. Carey: Well, what happened when Krings bought that property and they put the mother's house there , they made a second lot. But they didn't have enough room, so they bought some more land from Drakes to make it a legal lot. And I thought it was added onto the property at the time. I mean, it never came before us because it was never really a subdivision or a boundary change . They just purchased this strip of land to make that a legal lot. G. Totman : As a part of the Town of Groton for many years , I see nothing wrong with just saying okay, do it. But, technically, because it's a boundary change they have to come before the Board. M. Carey: Right. A. Scheffler: I think that's something we should look at when we -- it's something Lyle has brought up too. G. Totman: Even if it says you only have to check with the Zoning Officer to make sure you're not creating something illegal. A. Scheffler: I mean basically you're creating -- you're doing something better there . G. Totman: You're making something more conforming. M. Carey: Like if we hadn't checked into the gentleman 's property that was just here, to make sure he didn't landlock it, that would be the main thing if we do boundary changes . Make sure we're not landlocking something behind . A. Scheffler: I also had another person come in who I thought was going to be on the Agenda, but decided not to. I'll explain the situation and see what you think about it. They had approval for a Boundary Change in 1996 and the people that were going to buy this other piece couldn't come up with the money so they never filed it. Now they have somebody that wants it and they came in and said can we just go file this now? And I said well, I think that technically it expired after 180 days . G. Van Slyke : The little strip , you know -- I thought that was the only access he had to the land in back. That must be down in the dip on Chipmans Corners, isn't it? G. Totman: Okay, there you are , April . I wrote on each one of these what we did, okay? Page 15 of 16 (T) Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript of Regular Meeting 15 June 2000 A. Scheffler, Okay. G. Totman: Anybody got anything else? Then move to adjourn . Adjournment B. Clark: I make the motion we adjourn. G. Van Slyke : Second . (All Board membersi present indicated aye .) The meeting was adjourned at 8 * 27 p.m. Jo E. Fitch Recording Secretary (NOTE : On 6/ 16, the Board Secretary filed , via fax to the Groton Town Clerk's Office, the actions that were taken at this meeting. ) Faxed 6/26/00 Page 16 of 16 Pr. . , . - --- ---- - - - - -- -- - -- - - - TOWN CLERK