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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999-04-15 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Meeting Minutes/Transcript - Thursday , 15 April 1999 Members , Groton Planning Board (*Absent) Others Present George Totman, Chairman Joan Fitch, Recording Secretary Monica Carey M/M Steve Howard, Applicants Cecil Twigg Dennis Portzline, Applicant George Van Slyke Verl Rankin Sheldon Clark Van Travis The meeting was called to order at 7:38 p.m. by Chairman George Totman, G. Totman : We'll call the meeting to order. We've got on the Agenda to approve the minutes first, but as long as we're starting a few minutes late, I think we would be best to take the second item on the Agenda first, which is Steve Howard and his wife . Stephen Howard, Applicant - 608 Cortland Road - TM # 204 -29 . 1 G. Totman: They want to take the cows out of the barn and put pizza in it. S. Howard: We have a more detailed plan here. G. Totman: Okay, C. Twigg: What are all those little circles around there? S. Howard: Tables. Round bales. G. Totman: Do you want to explain to us what you've got in mind? S. Howard: Okay, what I've got in mind is I'd like to take the front of my barn and I'd like to put a little pizza shop in it. What we'd like to do is we want to open a family style pizza restaurant, and it's going to be hopefully -- you'll come in and you'll pay one price, have a pizza, salad bar, simple, and that's about it. G. Totman: No entertainment? M. Carey: Not me , because I'll probably have to work there. S. Howard: We heard they was tied up . G. Van Slyke: Monica's available. M. Carey: Well I might not be . G. Totman: Have you done anything up to this point about going to the Health Department or anything like that yet? S. Howard: No. S. Clark: What? G. Totman: The Health Department, Page 1 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 S. Howard: The way I understood it I had to get temporary or preliminary approval or whatever you want to call it. G. Totman: Questions from the Board? G. Van Slyke: Now I'm going to be looking this way at this thing. K. Howard: 222 there's down at the bottom. G. Van Slyke : Now there is a septic system separate from the house? S. Howard: No, if you look -- K. Howard: There'll be a new septic system put in. S. Howard: System put in -- G. Van Slyke : It says septic system here, then. K. Howard: It's not there yet. G. Totman: It's not there yet. K. Howard: It will be separate from the house . G. Van Slyke: And—trying to think. Right now your driveway -- is it circular? It comes down in front of the barn, S. Howard: Yes, G. Van Slyke : but this is not going to be circular? This is going to be . - - S. Howard: We're going to put in a parking lot in front, and there will be a -- S. Clark: Will it be the same level as it is now? S. Howard: No, it's going to be filled in. S. Clark: It will be level with the road? S. Howard: No, it won't be level with the road, but it will be G. Van Slyke : It will be graded up? S. Howard: To make a better entrance and exit. G. Van Slyke: Another question—what's HPHP? S. Howard: Handicapped Parking, G. Van Slyke: Oh , okay. All right. C. Twigg: Thank you, George . I didn't want to be the one that showed my ignorance and asked, George. S. Clark: You've never had trouble with perc tests there and the other stuff? K. Howard: We'll have to put in a sand filter because Tompkins County is doing all sand filters. Page 2 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Van Slyke: Okay, so when we transfer from this to this one to this one, you're talking it's going to be 36 wide , 48 feet long, right? S. Howard: Right. V. Travis: What are you zoned here? M2? G. Van Slyke: Industrial, isn't it? Is it M2 or Industrial? G. Totman: NIL S. Clark: What's M 1 ? G. Van Slyke: M2 . M. Carey: M2 -- its the blue. G. Totman: Okay, I'm sorry. M. Carey: They're out on -- between Lick Street and Salt Road, M2 . S. Clark: So that makes it what? Do we have to have a public hearing on this? M. Carey: Well I suggested to Kath and Steve that they talk to the neighbors and see how the neighbors felt about it. Did you guys do that? S. Howard: Yes, we did. M. Carey: And what did they have to say? S. Howard: They thought it was a great idea. C. Twigg: They offer you any finances to get you going? S. Howard: No, but they said they'd come over and take free samples. S. Clark: So what would they need to do then , get a signature from each one of them, or? G. Totman: No. If we have a public hearing S. Clark: We would have one then? G. Totman: We would send a notice out to all the adjacent neighbors. But before you have a Public Hearing, is normally customary that we go through all the preliminaries and agree that it's legal in the area, that there's no other things that we know of that's wrong with what they want to do, and the purpose for the Public Hearing is to let the public know what's being proposed. And that we , at the point, haven't seen anything wrong with it. And unless the neighbors come up with something that we didn't find out or see , then it would be okay. S. Clark: All this before he involves the Health Department? G. Totman: Well, tentatively yes because there's no sense of spending a lot of money getting perc tests done for the septic system, or having the Health Department come in -- I mean, he can talk to the Health Department and they can tell him what he' s got to do to -- the inside facilities and stuff -- and I'm sure that he'd want to do that. But there's no sense of an applicant spending a lot of money on something -- S. Clark: That's what I wondered . Page 3 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Totman: until they know it's going to get approved. Unless there's somebody else that's got a better explanation of that. It's zoned -- G. Van Slyke: M2 , and it needs a Site Plan Review, G. Totman: It needs a Site Plan Review which means a Public Hearing. Our concern here tonight is to find out what we need to know, if we've got everything we need before we schedule a Public Hearing. G. Van Slyke: Okay, I guess I got one more question here . I didn't eve count the , but you've got them marked out -- there's quite a number of -- what is there, about 20 spaces? Twenty parking spaces. S. Howard: Yes. G. Van Slyke: You've got room enough there , obviously, in front to handle 20 parking spaces, right? G. Totman: It's in an area where there's other businesses in the area. It's an area that back when we were doing the Ordinances that we made that particular area that way to encourage business in the area. S. Clark: Exactly, M. Carey, Right. G. Totman: So that part of it's been taken care of ahead of time. What they're saying they want to do is within the Ordinance and the regulations of the Ordinance . The other things that normally you look at is like a semi-restaurant is I guess you call it, right? S. Howard: Semi? G. Totman: Well, you're not going to have dinners and things like that. S. Howard: No. G. Totman: You're going to have a salad bar and pizza. S. Howard: Salad bar and pizza. G. Van Slyke: But a sit-down arrangement though , right? S. Howard: Right. And, of course, takeouts. G. Totman: You're not planning on having any alcoholic beverages or anything like that? S. Howard: No. C. Twigg: Delivery, or -- S. Howard: Well, eventually, yes. G. Totman: Okay, any other questions? Van? V. Travis: No. I drove out there . . . 1 viewed the property. I looked at the property. No. I don't have any questions, George . G. Totman: So, anyway -- George , would you please do the SEQRA Review? Page 4 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Van Slyke: Are you ready? We're in Part II of the Environmental Assessment. Board Member George Van Slyke then reads aloud Part II of the Short Environmental Assessment Form. Negative responses were obtained to all questions in Part IL Therefore, it was determined by the Planning Board, upon a motion made by Member Sheldon Clark, seconded by Member Cecil Twigg, with all members present voting in favor, that the action, based on the information submitted, will not cause any significant adverse environmental impact, resulting in a Negative Declaration, G. Totman: Before I go any farther, before I forget it, you filled out the first one and you did it wrong, so it had to be voided out. So do you want to sign your name down there or fill that in the way you did the first one, please . K. Howard: The whole thing? G. Totman: Yes. You've got the first one there to go by. So according to the rules in the Ordinance , we have to hold a Public Hearing. It would be May 19th , so is there anything else anybody would like to ask or question, or do you want to have any more information, or just schedule a Public Hearing? G. Van Slyke: Well one thing maybe we ought to check on here -- the entrance to 222 . Might be a little concern with this traffic in and out. Are you going to -- is there going to be a problem getting in and out of there with the traffic on 222? C. Twigg: Milk truck's been going in and out of there. M. Carey: Driveway is pretty wide. G. Van Slyke: I just didn't want them to get all this started and then not -- the access to a busy highway like that is, with people coming in and out, you know. G. Totman: How wide is the driveway? S. Howard: The driveway is as wide as the State would let me have it for a milk truck. They wouldn't go any wider. And I think it's 48 feet. G. Totman: Your driveway is what was approved by the State then? S. Howard: Yes. And they will not go any wider with the driveway. G. Totman: Okay. I understand that. I deal with them. Okay, I suppose we ought to formally -- V. Travis: You said the 19th? G. Totman: Yes, V. Travis: The 20th . G. Totman: It's on a Thursday. You're right. I'm sorry about that. We'll meet the 20th . G. Van Slyke: I make the motion we set the date for the Public Hearing on Thursday, the 20th of May at 7: 30 p.m. V. Travis: I'll second it. G. Totman: All in favor? (All Board members indicated they were in favor.) Carried. So now have you submitted the names of all the adjacent landowners? S. Howard: Yes, Page 5 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Totman: You have? They're on the thing there . Okay. They'll all be notified and they'll have a lot of questions. Sometimes they do, sometimes nobody shows up . S. Howard: Well, we've talked to them all, so -- G. Totman: You never can tell . There's only three adjacent landowners? S. Howard: How many do you want? G. Totman: Across the street. S. Howard: These are across the street. This is a corn field. G. Totman: Okay, V. Travis: Owned by you? S. Howard: No, no. It's owned by Hunters, then it was sold to some people in Cortland , and then they V. Travis: Well, we still need the name of the owner of it don't we? G. Totmaw Yes, the owner of it still has to be notified. I'll get with the girls tomorrow and find out who it is . S. Howard: I don't know if Talbots bought it, or it's the people in Cortland . And I have no idea who they are . Dennis Portzline & John Baylor - 617 Peru Road - TM # 31 - 1 -7 . 2 G. Totman: Do you want to explain to us what you want to do? D. Portzline: We'd like to -- I'm hoping that we'd like to open the butcher shop . G. Totman : You got this? M. Carey: Yes. D . Portzline: We're ready. We've painted and moved some new equipment in and stuff like that . We'd like to open the meat market and slowly start with produce. Eventually there will be another building for the produce. Actually there'll be a greenhouse . . . I'm just praying that I didn't misunderstand it when we covered that the first time with the bait shop review and all that stuff. It was in the Minutes. G. Totman: It was in the Minutes that you were going to carry on farther? D. Portzline: Yes. G. Totman : But at the time , we just gave the permit for the bait shop, though? D. Portzline: Yes. G. Totman: That's when we said that when you come back -- you're doing what was said in the Minutes at the time? D . Portzline: Yes, G. Totman : I'm not going to go through these Minutes, but I do remember that. V. Travis: Yes, I do too. Page 6 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Totman: So you're going to, in the building itself, sell bait and meat? D. Portzline: Yes. G. Totman: And then your intentions are that if that turns out, and you can afford it, then you'll build a building and have produce. D. Portzline: Yes. Actually, yes that's true. I think that we'd like to do a temporary building -- put a greenhouse out there, thinking we can get that up fairly efficiently. And that will house the produce so that they will eventually become separate entities. They'll complement each other. The main part, there just isn't room enough for everything to do in there . And right now we have been in contact with the USDA. Jim Coates is the inspector; notified the Health Department, and they say they really have no jurisdiction in that regard. It's mainly the USDA we have to satisfy. G. Van Slyke: Now, in the setup of the thing, the bait will be sold out the back of the building, or -- D. Portzline: Yes. Actually, we'll maintain a physical barrier between the two entities at this point, which would be the butcher shop or meat market and the bait shop . And actually we've gone over all that with Mr. Coates. The one thing is, we'd like to try to take advantage of some of the natural ventilation provided, and he said that a screen door separating the two was fine. But for the most part, the doors will be closed and there's an actual physical barrier. There will be separate entrances. What I'll do is just, where the overhead door is now on the east end of the building, we'll straighten that end for the entrance for the bait shop. And where the original -- I mean, it's going right back in where Walker had that meat market, so that front entrance will be the entrance for the time being. The meat market's right back in the same place. Pretty much laid out the same . The change that has been made is that the grinder is now in the cooler. It wasn't before, it should have been I guess. The band saw and boning table will be outside , and then the display cases. But we have every intention of running a full-fledged, old-fashioned butcher shop out there. C. Twigg: You'll smoke meat? D. Portzline : Yes, if we can . One of the things we'd like to do is, as quickly as we can , build a little smokehouse . Jason is -- John Vaness is the one that taught Jason how to butcher, he's run the smokehouse up there and that kind of stuff, so we'd like to cure some of our own bacons and hams and that kind of stuff. We checked with the USDA as well; we can offer a service for fishermen. We did a lot with smoking fish this winter. Smoked salmon and that kind of stuff, and actually I have some pretty good recipes and had pretty good luck with it. So we'd like to do some of that as well. You know, that will come within a couple of months. We don't have anything like that in place right now. G. Totman: Let's see. That's in the M 1 district, right? G. Van Slyke: Does it look like M 1 up there? D. Portzline: Are the Village limits shaded? Is that the shaded area? Is that the Village limits? V. Travis: No, the Village limit is just inside of the shaded area. D. Portzline: We're actually the first place just outside the Village. We're in the pink. M. Carey: You're in the pink; that's the MI district. C. Twigg: You're in the pink section. The Village Line is all within that white, isn't it? M. Carey: Yes. What's inside that circle. C. Twigg: And then they got 2000 feet in that shaded part. G. Totman: Just want to make sure that we don't make any mistakes. G. Van Slyke: Okay, what's he going to come under? Retail sales of convenience food? Page 7 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 V. Travis: I think that's where I'd put it. Do you see anything else? G. Van Slyke: There isn't anything that says butcher shop . D. Portzline: I suppose meat market would be a better term. G. Totman: I think retail sales of convenience goods such as groceries, sundries, and personal services. That's involved in an MI zone with a public hearing and site plan review. So basically, it's the same thing that we were talking about for the Howards that were here . D. Portzline: So we can't open in two weeks then? The kid's already quite his job. I just assumed we'd taken care of that the last time I was here . I was wrong wasn't I? G. Van Slyke: The only thing we approved at that meeting was the bait shop . M. Carey: And we said he had to come back in. D. Portzline: I thought we'd discussed the bait shop G. Van Slyke: Read the Minutes, George, G. Totman: Why don't you go through them? It's been a meat shop before and we had no problems up there. But I just want to make sure we do it according to Hoyle . CO Twigg: Actually, we don't have anything to do with how he operates his business there. In other words, all we're interested in is the traffic pattern or noise or inconvenience to neighbors. As far as how you run the shop or how you set it up , that's none of our business. D. Portzline: It's already really a retail establishment. C. Twigg: That's up to the USDA or the Health Department that handles that anyhow. So all we've got to find out is if it's something that fits in the neighborhood , and if people are going to have a problem with it. G. Totman: Site Plan Review -- I'm trying to refresh my memory. Does that automatically necessitate G. Van Slyke: I don't think it necessitates a Public Hearing. D. Portzline: We didn't have a public hearing last time . G. Totman: No, I don't think so. But with your case there, it's a little different. You're trying something new in the neighborhood. V. Travis: Change of use -- G. Totman: Yes. Completely different. V. Travis: Well, I don't think a Public Hearing is required . C. Twin: I don't know why it would be . G. Totman: We ran a meat market up there before without a Public Hearing. We're running a bait shop up there now without a Public Hearing. We're just adding to the activity of the existing business. We're going to change from a bait shop to a meat shop and a produce stand . Is that the way everybody sees it? C. Twigg: That's the way I see it. Page 8 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 V. Travis: In my view it's all retail sales. It's like saying does he want to bring in a candy counter; does he need Site Plan Review for that? I don't see that as being a requirement. G. Totman: Do you have any hours of operation? Are you going to be open every day of the week. D . Portzline: No, I would imagine he'll be closed on Sundays. But other than that, I would imagine like from -- I'm not sure what time he wants to open in the morning, but I'm sure he'll be open till sic or seven in the evening. No later than that. I would envision hours from like 9 to 6. G. Totman: Or 9 to 7 . D. Portzline: 9 to 6 or 9 to 7 . G. Totman: Would 9 to 7 be all right with everybody? C. Twigg: Why not. If he wants to be open 24 hours a day, I can't see as that -- S. Clark: What difference does it make? G. Totman: Well, I don't really see a difference . The only thing is, I don't know. V. Travis: Refresh my memory -- what's on either side of you and directly across the street, especially in terms of residential or -- D. Portzline: Well, we're right on the Village/Town Line and Tommy O'Brien owns the -- it's a vacant lot next door which would be the one to the Village of Groton. Next door is Bob Hughes and across the road is Fred Portzline, G. Van Slyke: Okay, the only thing I find in here --- if you decide on a meat market and produce stand, your hours would change -- so you already talked about that right? G. Totman: Yes. How would it be -- because we're supposed to sort of let people know what's going on. If we make the hours from 9 to 9 and that gives him see leeway. D. Portzline: Okay, no, that's fine . G. Totman: Because in the summertime -- D. Portzline: He's not obligated to maintain those hours? G. Totman: No. D. Portzline: He can work within that framework. G. Totman: He works within the framework of those . Because in the summertime he's got a produce market; you might -- D. Portzline: Yes, yes. No, that's very true . G. Van Slyke: Okay. All right. The way we left it at the time, we approved the bait shop . But then he wanted the meat shop and produce stand -- please come back , in and redo the hours and whatever else is necessary. G. Totman: I think -- V. Travis: So we can just issue a new permit? G. Totman: Yes, we can approve -- what we're doing, we're adding to the approval you had of a butcher shop, meat market, and a produce stand , the produce stand being separate in a separate building. Is that correct? Page 9 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 D . Portzline: Yes, But I'm assuming -- actually, right now, they'll be together because we won't be able to carry the lines of produce that we will . G. Totman: Okay, we'll put down butcher shop, meat market, and produce . Hours from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. D. Portzline: Yes. G. Totman: Anybody got anything else? V. Travis: Just the greenhouse that you construct will be attached to the existing building? D. Portzline: No, actually that will be separate. In the meantime , what I'd like to do is I can't come off the front with the shed addition because it would interfere with the parking lot and I'm afraid force traffic out into the road. So on the other side I'd like to put a little shed off there so we could do a little bit more like a farmer's market or something like that so people could browse through things there. Hopefully, that will generate enough money for this winter because we'd like to keep it open year around. It will be a separate entity. It won't -- it will only be, you know, whatever fire codes decide for spacing and that kind of stuff. I would assume there's be a separation of 30 to 35 feet. And then I'd like to house the produce stand separate. V. Travis: And when that construction takes place , a building permit will need to be obtained . G. Totman: So in the motion then, we're allowing the sale of produce which will eventually include a greenhouse, so that the Code Enforcement Officer will know that it's okay to give a building permit for it. D. Portzline: And a greenhouse, initially, because of the cheapness of putting it up -- I was trying to think of a fancy word -- it's an efficient way for me to get a structure up that will be somewhat easy to heat and that kind of stuff and allow us to keep it open all winter. Eventually I would like a nicer building out there for the produce and that kind of stuff, but that's just kind of going to . . . for itself. But obviously those things would be done in accordance with any building codes and that kind of stuff, and all the permits will be applied for. G. Totman: And you know you have to meet all the building codes. D. Portzline: Yes. G. Totman: I 'm just putting that in there so that we show that we discussed it and talked about it. D. Portzline: No that's fine. I understand. G. Totman: Anybody else got anything else? V. Travis: We need a motion don't we? G. Totman: Yes. V. Travis: I'll move whatever it is that we need to move. Approval. G. Totman: Van moved that we approve the extension of the bait shop to include meat, convenience supplies, and produce, with the eventuality of having a greenhouse on the property. Anybody second that? M. Carey: I second that. G. Totman: Anybody against it? (No one spoke.) It's approved . D. Portzline: Now as long as I'm here , here we go with another idea. Page 10 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Totman: You've got to get a sign; you've got to get a sign permit. J. Fitch: Are you waiving a Public Hearing? G. Totman: Yes. V. Travis: Do you need a motion on that? G. Totman: Include that in the motion. J. Fitch: Include that in the motion? V. Travis: That a Public Hearing was waived . D. Portzline: We'd like to do something with a chicken barbecue one night a week, I think, or something like that. Now I'm assuming that might want to be a more detailed meeting, or maybe you'd want to go through a review there. What I'd like to do is there's one small set of trees there, and put up what would be a temporary, I mean something on skids or whatever like that. A little barbecue like what Bob's used to have up in Homer or something. A couple of picnic tables there or something . The idea was to do it one or two nights a week so that -- we don't want to be in competition with the Microd Club and the Legion and the firemen and that kind of stuff. And stay away from the weekends; stay away from Saturdays, Sundays, and that kind of stuff. Something there that might work. Now that's probably a ways down the road. But as long as I'm here, what would that entail from my end? What would my responsibilities be as far as you're concerned? C. Twigg: Well, you've got a retail store there. As long as you met the requirements, the fire codes, and the Health Department requirements -- they're going to want to know -- Do Portzline: We've told them about all that. Co Twigg: I think we've approved the sale of barbecued chicken too, haven't . we? G. Van Slyke: I really think that is the same deal as we had up there with those people -- G. Totman: Frick and Frack? G. Van Slyke: Frick and Frack. I mean they ended up - - they were an eating and drinking establishment, but they started out as a convenience store I guess, but then they went to an eating establishment. Then they had chicken barbecues out there and things like that, so it was just kind of like just a part of the whole program. CO Twigg: I don't see why you'd need something separate for that. G. Totman: Anybody else got any opinions on that? G. Van Slyke: I think it would have to be -- you know, the Health Department's the major thing you've got to worry about because of the handling of the -- and the refrigeration of the -- Do Portzline: Codes change a little bit, I mean not codes as much as the laws, because now we're putting out a finished product as opposed to something that's perishable and that kind of thing. V. Travis: But you're talking about a movable, portable barbecue pit, not a concrete block with pressure-treated lumber and roof over -- Do Portzline: Well, actually I did have envisioned something maybe with a little shed roof or something like that, or a little A-frame, like what the Legion has, but what I would do is put that skids and bury the skids so somebody didn't trip over them or something. But when the time -- when it was necessary to move it or whatever like that it would be just a matter of a little bit of jack it up and skid it out of the way or do whatever was necessary with it. But we had every intention to keep it far enough back from the road so that there'd be ample parking and that kind of stuff. Page 11 of 15 ' Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 S. Clark: I second. G. Totman: All in favor? (Voting aye were: Totman , Carey, Clark, Rankin, Van Slyke, and Twigg. Abstaining: Van Travis) Approval of Minutes - 8 April 1999 M. Carey: Now for the April 8th Minutes, it needs to be noted that the items we put on record were faxed out by the office to the attorneys before the Minutes were received the next day. Joan called me with some grammatical/clarification type questions, and I asked her to change them to be correct. But the office had already faxed our comments, and I just wanted to . clear up there were minor changes. J. Fitch: So if the attorney checks your comments with the Minutes, it will be a little bit different, so it should be acknowledged in tonight's Minutes. V. Rankin: They were sent to Chatfield? They shouldn't have done that. M. Carey. Yes, G. Van Slyke: I make the motion we accept the Minutes of the Thursday, April 8th meeting as corrected. M. Carey: Do I hear a second? V. Rankin: I second. M. Carey: All in favor? (All those present at that meeting indicated "aye . ") Passed. Twigg Announcement G. Totman: Does anybody else have anything to bring up before the Board? By the shaking of the heads, -- C. Twigg: George , one thing. I think you ought to find someone to take my place on the Board if you could. G. Totman: You have to submit it -- they won't accept it, Cecil, unless you submit it in writing. C. Twigg: But I'm going to probably be spending more time out of town all the while , and someone ought to be on the Board that can attend the meetings. G. Totman: Your thought's well taken, Cecil, but we've had problems before with that and they won't accept -- they won't appoint anybody new until that person officially resigns. Just a little note that says toodle-loo, outside circumstances -- I can no longer serve on the Planning Board . I hereby resign. If you would. Because that would help us start the process quicker trying to get somebody. C. Twigg: All right. I'll probably be around for another month or so. G. Totman: You like Florida better than New York, huh? C. Twigg: Well , in the wintertime . Adjournment V. Rankin: I move we adjourn. V. Travis: I second it. Page 14 of 15 Town of Groton Planning Board Minutes/Transcript April 15, 1999 G. Totman: All in favor? (All members present indicated aye.) Meeting adjourned. The meeting was adjourned at 8*30 p.m. an E. Fitch , Recording Secretary Page 15 of 15