HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-07-17 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Thursday, 17 July 1997
Board Members (*absent) Others Present
George Tolman, Chairman Joan Fitch , Board Secretary
Monica Carey George Senter, CEO
Sheldon Clark
*Jeff Lewis
Verl Rankin
*Cecil Twigg
George VanSlyke
Public Present
Dick Baker and Theresa Delaney of 1076 Old Stage Road; Lawrence Housel and Mary Pete of 1102 Old
Stage Road; Barbara Clark of 1034 Old Stage Road; Mildred Thomas, Catherine Reagan-Steger, and
Raymond Steger-Steger of 1037 Old Stage Road ; Michele Smith of 1031 Old Stage Road; Charles and
Amelia Yaman of 972 Old Stage Road ; Joseph and Eileen Urda of 931 Old Stage Road.
The meeting was called to order at 8*00 p.m. by Chairman Totman.
G. Totman : Okay. Normally, this is a regular Planning Board meeting night and normally we
go through and approve the minutes first. Being that it's hot and everybody's here for a purpose , we
will dispense with approving the minutes until the end of the meeting. I had a request from the people
that live up on the Old Stage Road to come tonight to discuss some problems they have in their
neighborhood. I'd just like to make some comments first. So that everybody understands where we
are, and what we can or can't accomplish tonight, there's some people with real concerns. And
anytime you get a request from a group of citizens to attend the meeting to discuss their concerns, it's
one of our obligations which is to listen . To be very honest, from the concerns that I've seen and read
in the letter (referring to letter to Glen L. Strauf, Reputed Property Owner, dated 7/9 /97 signed by 10
sets of neighbors - copy placed in property folder, 1076 Old Stage Road) it isn't really the Planning
Board's function to handle this because the Planning Board is an advisory board to the Town Board .
We make suggestions to rules and regulations or changes in the Zoning Ordinance , we do the Site Plan
Review and the Subdivision Rules & Regulations, and we have that authority granted to us by the
Town Board . But as far as handling this type of complaint, it's really nothing more than a sounding
board . We're taking minutes tonight of the meeting . We want to hear from everybody that's here . And
I would really like to have anybody that speaks give their name and where they live so it can be
recorded in the minutes that will be forwarded on to the Town Board . But there is no decision that
can be made tonight by this Board. Like I said, it's an advisory board to the Town Board. George
Senter, the Code Enforcement Officer, is here . I was requested to ask him to be here. I just want to
make sure that everybody knows where we stand, what the intent is, and I think you should feel free to
express whatever opinions you got, pro or con , and to be recorded in the minutes, and then we'll take it
from there . But there will be no action, no reverse back from us, because obviously this Board cannot
do anything. And I do not want to give you the opinion that we don't want to do anything, it's just
that it' s not our function which is to listen to people or plan for the betterment of the community . And
that's basically what we're here for tonight. I'd like to open it up with somebody from the neighborhood
who would like to be a spokesman.
D . Baker: Can I just start?
G. Totman: No, I'd like to have the people that requested the meeting. They've requested the
meeting, and I'd like to hear from the people that requested the meeting.
B. Clark: Well, I'll start. I'm Barbara Clark and my address is 1034 Old Stage Road . The
problem that I have with the people that have moved in next door is boundary line and their driving on
our property. They put a fence on some fence posts that are on our property to fence in their horses .
Twice now their horses have been out and gone across our property. I explained to the person when he
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was putting the fence up that he was over the property line, and it didn't seem to do any good or make
any difference putting the wire over the line . We had the property surveyed last year, and the survey
stakes are there and they've ignored them. And the horses have been out twice already. The noise that
comes from their property is unbelievable -- dogs barking all hours, people hollering and screaming,
swearing . The junk that has accumulated on the property is unbelievable . We have pictures . There
are at least four horse trailers with doors open, junk out. It's a disgrace to the neighborhood. I know
what our property is valued at, and because of the junk that's next door, I feel like the value of our
property has decreased considerably. My main concern is property values .
G. Totman : Anybody else?
L. Housel: My name's Larry Housel . I live at 1102 Old Stage Road. My concern is the dogs
barking constantly, all night long . Nobody makes any effort to keep them quiet. The place does look
like an above-ground landfill over there . The constant swearing -- I have a three-year old son and I
don't want him to start learning a lot of them words. Last night they had a TV on - - the night before --
and we could hear it up at our house . I've had a German shepherd come across there on my property
several times and I've chased it off my back porch . And with the rabies going around , I have no idea if
their dogs have had their shots or anything, and I don't want them getting into contact with any of my
kids or my animals. And also, the property values. That's about it for me .
C. Reagan-Steger: My name's Catherine Reagan-Steger and I live at 1037 Old Stage Road . I have a
mobile home and when I inquired about putting mine there, I had to have 250 feet of frontage or 200
feet . . . (missing) and I was told I could not do that. These two trailers are right next to each other, and
neither one of them have that much frontage . They're both hooked onto one septic system, which I
was not allowed to do . I don't understand how the zoning works now from the time I put mine in eight
years ago. My complaint is that it's such an eyesore that it brings the value of all our properties down .
And the profanity that I can hear down to my house and I'm at the foot of the hill .
M. Thomas, I'm Mildred Thomas and I'm the aunt of Katy Steger. I said I would not buy or
take a piece of property where there's going to be anyone next door to me that I can't take -- if there's
going to be a bunch of horses and a bunch of dogs and a bunch of swearing and a bunch of four-letter
words, three-letter words, anything and everything that comes out. And I don't like that. I wouldn't
live next to it. I am in a position where I don't think I want any land where there's no rules or
regulations. Thank you .
M. Smith: I'm Michele Smith and I live at 1031 Old Stage Road , and I'm a pretty good
distance from these folks and I can hear the swearing at my house , and the noise and. . . . (missing) . We
hear dogs barking all night. And farther to the back of our property we can hear the swearing from
there .
G. Totman : Anybody else? Would you like to say anything?
A. Yaman: No, we're a little bit farther away so we don't hear it.
G. Totman : (To new arrivals.) You haven't heard what's been going on. What we've done
was, before you came, is to explain to the people that this was an airing of complaints because it was
requested , and that we're here to listen and forward it to the Town Board . It's the nature of the
Planning Board to listen to whatever's happening in the community and try to make recommendations
thereof afterwards. And everybody from the neighborhood has been given a chance to explain why they
signed the letter or why they're here . Would you like to say anything?
J. Urda: My concern is unlike everybody else, we don' t hear what's going on at our place.
But just driving by its apparent that there' s a lot of stuff that's been brought in and appearancewise it's
not attractive . For anyone driving down Old Stage Road it gives everyone a negative impression of the
area.
E. Urda: It appears they have just thrown their trailers on the lot without leveling them or
even trying to make it look like they belong there. There's dogs tied to whatever they could find to tie it
to. Looks like they threw a crate up . . . There's no attempt to make it look presentable.
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G. Totman: Anybody on the Planning Board like to have anything to say?
S. Clark: We'd just like to say that we have covered all, in our Planning Board and zoning.
Could we ask George Senter to kind of go over the things that have been approved -- is everything up to
snuff on zoning?
G. Senter: The septic system has been approved.
S. Clark: Electrical?
G. Senter: Haven' t had that yet. I called Tompkins County Environmental Health and you
can put more than one mobile home -- in fact, they do that in Lansing. Is that right, George?
G. Totman: It's the County Health Department -- they check the systems and like in some
areas if you've got a house that's good for four bedrooms and you want to add an extra bedroom or two
or a mobile home outside for your in-laws, or whatever, George can't give a building permit for it
because the original permit is only for four bedrooms, but the people can go to the Health Department.
And the Health Department can recognize yes, it's only good for four bedrooms, but what they do in
this particular case is -- they say if you put in low-flow toilets and low-flow faucets then you can add
an extra bedroom or two - - but it's the Health Department that makes that decision . And I'm sure
that's probably what happened here.
D . Baker: No it's not. It's a brand new system in there .
G. Totman : I was just saying that he said that they approved them in Lansing that way. It's
a County-wide thing - - it's not just Lansing.
T. Delaney: And there's not one tank with two trailers on. There's two tanks . There's a
thousand-gallon tank and a 750-gallon tank. And you people should know what you're talking about
before you run your mouth .
S. Clark: There's a camper down back that's being inhabited . What' s that hooked up to
now? What septic is that hooked up to?
D. Baker: It's just a camper; there's no bathroom in it.
S. Clark: And no one lives in it?
D. Baker: No. There's electric run to it.
S. Clark: You just leave the lights on all night?
D. Baker: Yes.
B. Clark: How many people are living there?
T. Delaney: I don't think that's any of your business . Can we have our say now?
G. Totman: If you keep it above the board -- you're off line on that one . Truly. They're asking
me the question and not you . You can have your say if you - -
T. Delaney: There wasn't even a question asked . They wanted to know how two mobile
homes exist on one single septic system. It's not a single septic system.
G. Totman: They have a right to ask and they've got the answer.
T. Delaney: I understand that.
J. Fitch: Can I have your name, please?
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T. Delaney: My name is Theresa Delaney. I am one of the buyers purchasingfhe property on
land contract.
J. Fitch: And the gentleman?
D. Baker: Dick Baker,
J. Fitch: Thank you .
D. Baker: Regarding the horses in a small area with the high -tension wire - - the majority of
farms I've ever been to have high-tension wires. That's what I have up. The day that the horses got
out, they got out once, and I thought I had all of the wire up, but I didn't andihey got through it. They
haven't gotten out since . One day, one horse got away from me because I lost control of him. As far as
the swearing and loud noise and all that, freedom of speech , freedom of expression is a Constitutional
right. This is America. And the volume of that is controlled by a time issue , and the time issue is after
11 o'clock you're fully entitled to call the Sheriffs Department. It never goes past 11 o'clock because
everybody's in bed at 9 at our house . The dog issue -- the SPCA's been there . They explained the law
on the dogs' barking. If a dog barks at something being on your property, it's not against the law. If
they bark continuously for no reason, then it's a noise violation . They've been there several times
when they're not barking at all until they pull into the driveway . The trailers that are located up there
-- there's two trailers with the doors open on them. One contains lumber - - I'm in the construction
stage up there -- and one contains paint -- that I'm using both of on a daily basis. Just because I'm
too tired at the end of the day to go back and close them up , I didn't believe that was an issue to the
neighborhood , but I guess it is. If you go up and look at it, it's not junk. It is construction lumber and
cans of paint. The law states that the trailers need 250 feet of road frontage ; we currently are buying
1300 feet of road frontage . Legally, we could put a whole row of trailers in there if we wanted to . So
that's not an issue . But it doesn't state how far apart they have to be . You just have to have 250 feet
of road frontage per trailer. They have to be 56 feet from the center of the road, which they both are .
The one trailer you're talking about that's setting in the grass area is on a undisturbed area and
blocked . It's steep where it was backed into . Mr. Senter said the only thing's wrong is I have my blocks
wrong and have to change my blocks. Both trailers are leveled. The only thing that both trailers need
right now are anchors and skirting and they're completed . Then they'll be ready for final inspection .
T. Delaney: I just have a few things I want to say. People are complaining about the horses
being contained in a small area. That area is probably five times what we had in Lansing, and it was
approved by the SPCA. The one in Lansing was approved , and he laughed - - he thought it was funny
that it was too small. So don't tell me the area is too small. Second of all -- the horse trailers that
you're all complaining about - - they've all been registered, they've all been inspected, and they all have
registrations on them and they're sitting there. They're not junk. That property, before we moved in
there , was full of weeds, nobody cut the grass , nothing was done with it. Yet you complain because we
moved in there. Another thing that has me upset is that we've been in there a month and eleven days
and all you people are complaining about stuff. I moved into the Town of Groton so that I wouldn't
have people pushing me around, and that's one thing I'm not going to have . I don't have dogs barking.
The crate that I have in the front of my yard -- that's a dog house . I bought it as a dog house, and paid
lots of money to get it. It's there for my puppy. Yes, my dog is anchored to it -- it's his dog house . If
you don't like it, too bad. We keep our grass mowed. We keep our property picked up . I don't know
where the yelling and the foul language comes from. I get home very late at night from work and there's
no yelling. It's very peaceful there . There's no yelling or swearing whatsoever. The dogs barking -- yes,
that might happen, but I know there's no loud yelling and swearing. And I also know that -- because
I've called the Sheriffs Department on neighbors of my own -- that as long as you're quiet after 11
o'clock there's nothing that can be done . And I know there's no yelling and swearing after 11 o'clock at
night. And other than that, I guess everything seems to be all right because the trailers -- I have
building permits for them. I have a permit for my septic that has been approved . As for the horses
getting out, that's nothing I have any control over; I've tried -- -
D. Baker: I have one other comment. The comment about the horses being up in the -- I
can't remember the guy's name - - in the alfalfa field, when we just came in there's about 20 deer up
there eating alfalfa -- they're just enjoying themselves.
Be Clark: There were four.
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D. Baker: There was a whole lot more than that when I come through . At the bottom of
the hill, there was four cows loose on Old Stage Road that I almost hit with the car. People's animals
get loose.
Be Clark: You haven't addressed the issue of the fence being on our property.
T. Delaney: It was put on the posts that were there to begin with .
D. Baker: If you put a ---
Be Clark: 1f the posts were on my property, what gives you the right to put your fence on
my posts?
D. Baker: If you have a surveyor -- all there is is one stake out by the road.
Be Clark: There's stakes up the hill too if you'd taken the time to walk the property line .
D. Baker: I don't go over on your property. I put it on existing posts .
Be Clark: But the existing posts are on our property.
D. Baker: It is not on your property .
Be Clark: Do you have a survey?
D . Baker: I see the stakes, I have a survey map, yes.
Be Clark: Well, you better go back and check it.
D . Baker: This whole thing started over one post that she believes is on her property that
isn't. Anybody who can see straight can see that if they look at the property markers.
T. Delaney: Are there any other things you would like us to address? I didn't move here to
make enemies with my neighbors, but this is the first time I have. Yes, I have my horses. Yes, I have my
horse trailers. And soon I'm going to have a bunch of pigs; I'm going to have . . . I'm moving some cows
in . I'll let you all know well in advance . I'm having a big party in the middle of next month with loud
music and lots of people . I'll let you all know plenty of time in advance . As long as the music's done by
11 , there's nothing you can do. And I'm allowed to have livestock. I have 32 acres, and I'm going to
have a bunch of them. That was my whole purpose in buying a lot of land .
Be Clark: I hope you'll have a good fence .
T. Delaney: Oh , I will .
D. Baker: High tension .
Be Clark: Two strands of high tension with no electricity is not considered a good fence .
T. Delaney: The electricity's going in .
G. Totman : Sounds to me like you enjoy having problems. The way you're sounding . But I
don't know where you're getting this 11 o'clock from because --
T. Delaney: Well , I called the Tompkins County Sheriffs Department --
G. Totman: Maybe you did, but I have a scanner at home and I listen to the police being
called during the middle of the day during the supper hours for large noise in the neighborhood that
they ask them to go out and check on, and they don't tell them they can't go out, so I think maybe you
ought to check on that one . You have rights on your property. But other people have rights too .
Other people have rights.
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T. Delaney: But people complaining that I'm running down the value of their property just
because I'm living on the land --
G. Totman: No. It' s not because you're living on the land . It's what you're doing to the land .
T. Delaney: Just because I have my trailers there, my horse trailers there? Well, I'm sorry. I'm
not like you people . I don't have a lot of money. I can't spend $30,000 on a horse trailer, I can't have a
new 16 by 80 single-wide trailer sitting on my property. I don't have that kind of money. But I'm gonna
have my horses, and I'm gonna have my trucks, and I'm gonna have my trailers whether you guys like it
or not. If that runs down the value of your property, I apologize. But I don't have a lot of money to go
out and buy new things.
C. Reagan-Steger: It doesn't take money to straighten things up and make it look neat.
D. Baker: We've been there 30 days and we've come quite a ways in 30 days.
C. Reagan-Steger: I disagree that the property looked worse before you got there .
D . Baker: You guys would rather have weeds and junk laying in the bushes.
C. Reagan-Steger: Larry mowed the lawn all the time over there . He kept the lawn mowed . And it
didn't look bad at all over there .
G. Totman: Okay, I think if everybody's aired everything they've got -- I don't want this to
turn into a shouting match .
T. Delaney: There won't be. I just don't appreciate people telling me what to do .
G. Totman: Well, they're not telling you because you were not invited tonight. They asked us
to listen to their problems. They didn't have intentions of telling you . There are telling us what their
problems were . You came on your own accord , so they're not really telling you .
T. Delaney: Actually, I do have one problem with this man right here -- our closest neighbor
up the hill . Burning garbage is against the law. And I know you burn it all the time and I smell it
constantly. So if you want to complain about us, the garbage burning is against the law.
L. Housel: We burn papers.
T. Delaney: No. Paper doesn't smell. This stuff smells .
G. Totman: Okay. I think we'll close this public airing at this time and then we'll go back to
our regular meeting. Unless somebody else has got something legitimate to bring up .
D . Baker: I have one comment. I didn't know we had to be invited to a Town board
meeting .
G. Totman : You don't have to. But what she was saying was they were accusing her of
things and talking to her and --
D. Baker: Mr. Strauf received this letter and he called me and told me to attend this
meeting . . .
G. Totman: A public meeting is a public meeting. Anybody who wants to can come to a
public meeting. That wasn't what I addressed . They weren't here to holler at her. They're here to tell
the Planning Board what their problems are . You happen to be here . Everybody's got a right to come
to a public meeting .
T. Delaney: Mr. Totman - - I understand people bringing forth their problems. But the thing
that upsets me the most is one, they've blown it out of proportion , or they 're making something -- like
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junk falling out - - the horses being in a small area. Yes, I have old trailers - - but these other things --
it's just ridiculous.
C. Reagan-Steger: I think what we're trying to tell you is that we all take pride in our homes T. Delaney: I do, too. But I've been there less than a month and a half, and I'm not finished .
I have plans to clean my ring up. I have plans to move those large trailers . But we've only been there a
month and a half. It's not something that's going to stay that way. It's temporary until we get the
more important things taken care of it.
C. Reagan-Steger: It's something we can look forward to then .
D. Baker: I'm the only one that's there during the day because everybody else works . I had
to set up two trailers . I put in a sewer system, I put in a brand new waterline to both trailers. I've done
all the work there by myself. And I'm handicapped . I can't do everything in a day. I do what I can .
C. Reagan-Steger: We'd also appreciate it you'd stop the profanity. There's no reason to have to
express yourself so loudly. We've all heard it.
M. Smith: Are you calling all of us liars?
T. Delaney: I'm not there. I get home at 9 o'clock at night --
(Four people talk at once -- try to pick one to record! !)
G. Totman : Wait a minute . We've got conversations going here and the lady is trying to take
minutes. I think the message is clear. You said you want to be good neighbors?
T. Delaney: Yes. I mean we're not finished - -
G. Totman: And you've listened to what the neighborhood -- in fact, the pictures he just
showed me were pictures of every house in the neighborhood. Yours was only one or two pictures in
there --
T. Delaney: We've only been there less than a month and a half, George . Give us a break.
G. Totman : Like I said , we're only listening --
B. Clark: The track record from where you moved from isn't the greatest.
T. Delaney: What should the track record from the previous property have to do with this
property that is the whole point of moving from the Town of Lansing? We moved from an itty-bitty
corner with very little land .
D. Baker: That's not our track record . Where we lived before, that house was owned by five
generations and two of the people in that family were junk dealers . There was a lot of junk around
there that had nothing to do with the older kids, like her. The great-grandfather/grandfather left a big
mess because they were junk dealers.
G. Totman : Time out. Time out. Meeting closed . We've got the message . You were here . You
heard it. I think it's good . And, like I said , this Board makes no decisions. We've listened to the
problems, and we'll pass them to the people who are involved . We have no authority to handle
anything like that. We're a sounding board and we're not taking stands one way or the other. And we
appreciate everybody coming. We will proceed with our regular meeting. Now we will go to the minutes.
(Ms. Delaney and Mr. Baker leave the meeting.)
G. Totman: I am very disturbed that Mr. Strauf invited those people here tonight. It's not
that they aren't allowed . And I don't know how he found out there was a meeting tonight, but I think
it was a bad thing -- it was not a good community relation. And I will tell you that this Board had
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nothing to do with inviting those people there . I just want to make that very, very clear. He got this
letter, but this letter did not tell him there was a meeting tonight. You all signed it. And I'm just going
to make it very clear that this was not anything that this Board had anything to do with . As I told
Sheldon and some of the other people that I've talked to - - we will listen to this . We're taking verbatim
minutes. We're going to make sure the Town Board gets the minutes. I would strongly, very strongly
suggest that all of you people go to the Town Board meeting. The Town Board, I wouldn't say the
whole Town Board, but some of the Town Board were upset because we were listening to this group
and they thought they should be listening to it rather than us. We don't turn down anybody that
wants to talk about their neighborhood . That's one of our goals. Regarding trailers -- if they have
more than two trailers on the same parcel of land , then they've got to come to the Town Board and get
a Trailer Park License . Otherwise, they've got to sell each parcel of land off in order to put an extra
trailer on .
J. Urda: What's the regulation for area around a septic tank for individual properties.
G. Totman: 150 square feet.
G. Senter: It's a circle - - same for mobile home and residence.
G. Totman: The Health Department deals with them all the same.
G. Senter: I just went by the Zoning Ordinance as it was laid out - - that's all I could do . I
have no other legal recourse . Like Barb said, if they are trespassing on her land, that's a civil matter. If
they are trespassing, they can be taken to court.
S. Clark: Mr. Strauf called me tonight on my answering machine. It was about 4 o'clock, I
think. He said that he had received the letter and wanted to answer some questions, and I don't know
why -- unless because my name was the first on there -- how he got my number, and he knew about
the meeting. I called him back but he wasn't there .
J. Urda: Who were these two people? Are they the owners?
G. Senter: Delaney is the owner. All their names are on the land contract.
G. Totman: All of their names. Okay.
B. Clark: How many people own the property or are buying the property?
G. Totman: That's what George was just saying.
G. Senter: Two families.
G. Totman : There's two names on there - - Thompson and a Delaney.
G. Senter: I've checked, and the trailers had the legal stickers. There's nothing more I can
do about it.
G. Van Slyke: I've got a question for you , George . They mentioned something about the trailers
had not yet been tied down . Isn't there something about them having to be tied down before you can
occupy them?
M. Carey: That's what I was just going to say. I had to have mine tied down before I could
even move into it.
G. Senter: Before they get a C of O.
G. Van Slyke : So how long do they have before they have to have approval --
M. Carey: And the skirting has to be around it --
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G. Van Slyke : How many months or years do you give them?
G. Senter: The building permit is good for one year. They normally have it done before then .
Lady: Are they living in it without their being tied down?
G. Senter: Yes. There's a lot of mobile homes in Groton that aren't tied down .
L. Housel: Do they have electricity inspection by Underwriters?
G. Senter: Yes, by either Atlantic Inland or Underwriters. And the septic systems have been
approved.
G. Totman: I don't know what more I can tell you people. But we're taking minutes and we're
going to pass the minutes on to the Town Board . And I really strongly urge you people to -- the Town
Board is the elected representatives, and they should be hearing what we're hearing.
B. Clark: Who can we go to to address the concern about devaluation of our property?
G. Totman : Well , first of all I think you should go to the Town Board and then tell them that
you would like to have them contact -- there's a person in the County Assessment Office that's
assigned to the Town of Groton . And I would think you would ask them to have them set up a meeting
with him so he could meet with you people and go over your properties because of that. That would be
my approach to it.
G. Senter: That's Russ Klinger,
G. Totman : I think that would be the proper approach . But go through the Town Board first
and ask them to set it up for you .
Approval of Minutes
G. Totman : Okay, back to our regular meeting -- Planning Board. The first thing on the
agenda tonight is to approve the minutes of the May and June meetings .
M. Carey: I'll make the motion that we approve both of them together and I don't see
anything wrong with them.
S. Clark: I'll second it.
G. Totman: All in favoi9 (All members present indicated they were in favor.) Anything else
you people would like to bring up before the meeting tonight? (No one had anything.)
G: Van Slyke: I make a motion we adjourn.
S. Clark: I'll second it .
G. Totman: All in favor? (All members present indicated they were in favor. )
The meeting ended at 9 : 10 p .m.
Respectfully submitted,
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