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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-12-16 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD MEETING THURSDAY", DECEMBER 1611 1993 ,E 8 : 00 P . M . PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT ( * Denotes Members Present ) Mr :: .& 'Mrs : John Pachai George Senter ,, Code Enforcement Officer George Totman ,, Chairperson Monica Carey Verl Rankin George Van Slyke Cecil Twigg * Sheldon Clark G . TOTMAN called the meeting to order . No minutes from the previous month are to be approved because they are not available for review . Therefore ,( I would ask that John come forward and explain to the Board what he wishes to do and ask the Board to review the material that is before them tonight to get a better idea of what is happening . J . PACHAI : My name is John Pachai and I live at 202 S . Main Street . What I would like to do is build a house . In order to do that I met with the Zoning Board of Appeals with a variance for inadequate road frontage where the ZBA,, in turn ,, granted the variance with two conditions . One being to approve a subdivision that will show how future road frontage is to be meant . The second condition being that the Village sign a letter stating they do not have an objection to granting this variance . M . CAREY : Did you receive any special letter from the Village? J . PACHAI : I drooped it off with Chuck Rankin , who in turn,, was going to deliver it to their attorney tofhave him decide which department to give it to . J . PACHAI : Brought forward a map for the Board ' s review . M . CAREY : Inquired where the Groton Town line came in . You ' re almost in your lot ,, itself,; before hitting the Town line . J . PACHAI : They had indicated that they have no jurisdiction because the house to be built was not in the Village . The only involvement the Village would have if it had a -cut if the Village had such permits ,, which they don ' t . G . TOTMAN : According to the findings of the variance ,, it would have to be a positive determination from the Village . J . PACHAI : The Village agreeing to the granting of the Variance . G • TOTMAN : And the Town Planning Board granting you the subdivision approval . J . PACHAI : I guess it could be interpreted either way . The house is to be built in the Town ' s jurisdiction . G . TOTMAN = Looking at the map, John .lis _tprepared .to : build .- his ,. house in . the middle of Parcel No . 1 . The road to show in the official deeds will be a future road at some future point that will go out to Parcel No . 3 so that it won ' t be tieing that up . Town - of - Groton - Planning - Board - Meeting , - Thursday, December 16 ,, - 1993 , 48 : 00 - p : m . - - - Page - 2 r G . TOTMAN : That decision would have to made at a later date . He has ✓ shown us the road by where he is . to build his house , but he is also showing us 200 feet of road frontage as that road comes out of the Village into Parcel No . 3 . By the nature of the lay of the land ,, in that two to three acres ,f is the best place to build a house where the rest of the land that sits off is really not good for building . V . RANKIN : You also have a roadway on this 200 feet . G . TOTMAN : That probably is so . The Board members reviewed map with Mr . Pachai . G . TOTMAN : You want to make sure you will not be landlocking any land . M . CAREY : Do you have any access from Mack Street at all ? J . PACHAI : That would be accessible from a practical standpoint . But from a frontage standpoint ,, the frontage would be on the section that runs north and south between parcel 1 . M . CAREY : You could connect from Mack Street onto Cedar Lane . J . PACHAI : You have a problem with Parcel No . 2 with the western half . The ground conditions are soft . Essentially ,r • you could only get three lots out of that . The one in the southeast corner is questionable . C . TWIGG : The Village sewer comes all the way down Mack Street ? J . PACHAI : I think that ' s one of the streets that do not have it because it is an uphill run . They did not find it cost-effective to put in a pumping station . The nearest down-hill sewage system run would be to either cut through the school property or later run down Barrows Street . C . TWIGG : The pumping station would be cheaper than running it from Barrows Street . J . PACHAI : One of my converstaions with Frank was not the intial cost but the on-going maintenance of the station . G . TOTMAN : Before we go any further , George ( VanSlyke ) , would you fill out the short from of the SEQR? G . VANSLYKE : Read off the approprirate section of SEQR form as follows : Part II-A : No Be No Cie Yes ,, only as it affects residential use . C20 None C3 : No C4 : None C5 : No C6 : None C7 : Same as C1 . D : No G . TOTMAN : Made the motion to declare it a negative declaration . C . TWIGG : Seconded the motion . Town of - Groton - Planning - Board Meeting ,, Thursday,, - December 16 ,E 1993 ,E 8 : 00 p . m . - - - - Page - 3 VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . v- G . TOTMAN : Asked if there were any questions . No 'response given . G . TOTMAN : This is a little bit different from anything else we have had before . I just want to make sure everyone is comfortable with what is being asked of us . Section 429 of the subdivision ordinances where it talks about road frontage variances , etc . ,i gives guidelines to avoid situations likes this . For the record ,, the ZBA looked at it . Decision wise—a variance for insufficient road frontage is granted with two principle conditions : CONDITION NO . l : The frontage variance cannot be acted upon until the applicant has an approved subdivision that provides for and protects any future public road access including provisions for adequate frontage for future building lots which will eventually also remove the frontage to the proposed dwelling that is the basis of this frontage variance . CONDITION No . 2 : That the official letter is received from the Village of Groton indicating that the Village has no objections to the granting of this frontage variance . This is because the actual frontage of the applicant ' s lot lies within the village ,t but the Town code applies because the applicant ' s building site is in the Town ' s jurisdiction . With that ,, John has come back and is asking for a subdivision approval , which we could not do before because we did not have a variance . Now we have the variance . Sot if you vote in the favorative ,, it would have to be based on the two conditions . Is that your understanding ,I John? J . PACHAI : That ' s right . G . TOTMAN : Any questions ? Board members had no response . J . PACHAI : One other item to mention is the electric pole location . Either party on either side could have access to it without having a yard dug up for a cable or whatever . It will sit on or very close to the line . The 15-feet meets the require- ments . Town - of - Groton - Planning - Board - Meeting ,, • Thursday,, - December - l6 ,, - 1993 ,, - 8 : 00 - p . m . - - - - - Page 4 �. TOTMAN : The right-of-way will be stated in a transferor ' s deed in case the land is to be sold at a future date for future development . G . TOTMAN : Verified that the Peters own the area of the 60-foot right-of-way coming from Cedar Lane including the large parcel that you ' re breaking up now . J . PACHAI : That ' s correct . C . TWIGG : You can get public water there? J . PACHAI : Yes . C . TWIGG : Why did you cut that down to 50-feet ? J . PACHAI : Because the Town ' s requirements were 50 ,, and I did not see any reason to go beyond that . ( Referring to Parcel No . 1 ) . Parcel 1 is where the house will be located . Towards the south end of Parcel 1 ,, there is a steep grade . In order to give myself some level ground ,, that 10 feet might make a difference . The map was reviewed again . G • TOTMAN : Is there any other questions ? Board members muttered no . G . TOTMAN : If we pass this , I want to make sure that all the Town specifications are met ; ie : the 50-feet ,, not that I am doubting John ' s word . Make sure the survey is worded properly . I personally would vote for it . I cannot find anything in the ordinance that says we can ' t . It ' s up to the Board . J . PACHAI The better lot is the northeast corner and the practical entrance would be from Mack Street . Shorter driveway and closer facilities . I cannot cover the cost of a 400-foot driveway . G . VANSLYKE : Made a motion to approve the subdivision with the conditions to be met required by the ZBA . Condition 1 is being met tonight ,t so that only leaves Condition 2 left . C • TWIGG : Seconded the motion . G . TOTMAN : Make sure that the deed shows that 50-foot right-of-way . With any future development ,, it will become a highway . w/ no reiteration back to the owners of the deed of that 50-foot right-of-way at the time that the deeded to the Town for a dedicated road . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . V . RANKIN : Made a motion to adjourn the meeting . M . CAREY : Seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . Submitted by Penny Bogardus .