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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-11-12 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD November 12 , 1992 , 7 : 30 P . M . Tompkins County Planning Department : Comprehensive Plan BOARD PRESENT PUBLIC PRESENT * George Totman. Joan. Ji.ir }�cowich Eind * Mon. lca Carey JeCinmie Barrett * Sheldon. Clark from the 'Pomp . County * Ver1. Rankin. PLann. in. g Dept . * George `jan. Sl. yke * Cecil. Twigg ( * Present. ) GEORc:: E TOTMAN , opened the meeting to talk aboi.lt; the Comprehensive : Plan. for the 'I' own. of Groton . TOTMAN L, et ' s be serious t; on. ialit . T_ ' l: l. trim. it over to the girls . BARRETT : Does everybody have their Goals an. d Objectives on. hand ? There were three changes as I indicated in yorir memo . The first is Goal. 43 . I combined two goals that we wen. t over at the last. meeting . It; had to do with fostering a sense of community and fostering community : act; ivit; ies . It; j rist. seemed Logical. that those were combined into one , so , Let ' s talk about; T;` 3 anal see if you have an. y problems with that; . It says , to promote town.wide activities anal en. - , courage a l. an. d iase pattern. , whicli , throug 'ri its physical form , fosters a sense of commrin. it; y . Does E? Verybody agree , disagree , have changes ? At. the l. a st, meeting , we agreed that there woul. d be two more goals ; one on. t; ran. sport; at; ion. anal the other on. housing . # 9 deals with tran. sportat; ion anal it. reads , to ensure that; roads for new development. are connected to the comprehensive traffic circulation. system . Is that; al. l. right; ? Any comments , changes ? # 10 is speaking to housing ; to continue to provide opportunities so that; oiA chia. dren. will. not be economically forced to relocate to other communities . CAREY . I thought; t liat; was real. good . We didn ' t. real. l. y discuss much in that. direction. Dist; time . 'pOTMAN Yes we did , because George didn ' t. want welfare PB 11 ill 2 / 92 Page 2 JURKOWICFi : That ' s one reason. why I wan. ted to go over it; tonight , is to sort of figure out; what direction. yoi;i were heading in. . I wanted to make sure that we interpreted that; . TOTMANNN More mobile homes , so we can. make sure our kids can, stay lier e . BARRE 'INr OK , so those are the goals well. ]. go with then. . ,rwrMAIPI : Very, good . VANSIYKE : Plumber 91 explain to me what a comprehensive traffic circulation. system is . Does that; m -jan. what. is in. effect now , as far as traffic circul. ation. or might be in the lon. g run. , something proposed ? E3ARRE 't `P : Bot- liIF e what. you have now and what you consider to be a comprehensive traffic circulation. , what it could be . It ' s n. ot n. ecessaril. y designing paper roads unless you want to do that . That is making sure everything is connected as some kin. d of a wlibl. e . JURIOWICFi : It ' s probably on. e thing the plan. will. address ; lookin. a at the cirulation system . 'TO 'PMAP1 : When. we do al. l. these prel. imin. aries , I know we are going to , our goal. , the major goal. , is to wind up with a comprelien. sive plan. that; in. cl. udes traffic : and everything else in. the Plan. . What; she ' s t; al. kin. g about liege is make sure if there is any new road developmen. t , it will. be in. coliesion. with that n. ew plan and we did talk aborit; some areas . If we have time while we are doing this , we could talk about. certain. areas of the Town. where there could be possible future developmen. ts an. d we would look at that and decide which woixl. d be the best direction. for new dvelopment to look at and putting in. paper roads . It. doesn ' t mean. that they got. to be that way , but when. a new developer comes in Town an. d lie wants to develop an area , lie can come in. and look at; our Town. map anal . our dotted l. in. e with proposed roads on. it , knowing that the Down. Board and the Planning Board ' s are agreeable to that kind of a on. cept and we can, give them something. to work p on. which would save them alot of prepatory work for them for Later on. . As they were working , their initial. plans woul. d then. be to work towards the rown. ' s goal. , rather PB 11 ,� 12 / 92 Page ' 3 'PO 'PMAPd : than. coming in, with a whole bcln. ch of crazy plans that; we would have sit and argue with afterwards . BARRE 'P 'P : That; moves us into the second part; ; we are going to go over roads . JURKIDWICH I have a map an. d I have some questions about your roads and I am hoping you can tielp me out. here . I have a couple of questions on. road names and also where certain roads start; and stop . ( referring to map ) Coming out of the Village on. South Main St . , is it; still. South Main. St . when. you get out; of the Village ? 'PO 'PMAP1 : Yes , all. the way up to the11 JURKOWICH : Over in. McLean. , there is Lafayette Rd . that; goes down. to McLean. ; is it; still. Lafayette Rd . as it; goes through out of 'Down. ? 'PO 'PMAr1 : Lafayette Rd . stop ( refer to map ) at Cemet; ary I, an. e , from Lafayette Rd . to the five corners in. McLean. is Church St; 1' P_ et ; going straight through is Gulf Hill. Rd . Inciden. tal. l. y , that ' s not a 'Down. road . JURKOWICIT : Wickham Road , is it; both the straight stretch and the part; that turns off ? RANKIN : Yes . JURKOWICIl : Arterial roads are major roads , in. the 'Down that provide for either one , through traffic through to connections to major dest; ination. s that are outside the Town. , in, the region. and con. n. ection. s to other major highways ; for example 222 or Cortland Road , the road that; goes to Cortland is a major destination. ; there ' s aloe of traffic . It ' s the best Way to go from Groton. to Cortl. an. d . Phe next; one is Rte . 38 , Plorth and S (� utli , would also be con. sidered an. arterial. . A collector road provides for through traffic on a more local. basis and serve as either 1 ) a connection. :between arterials and Local. roads , 2 ) connects to major points with the Town. , 01. 3 ) con. n. ect; s to adjacent communities , so , that ' s people going from Lansing to Groton. . CAREY I would think that the road going through McLean. carries clot of traffic . PB 11 / 12 / 92 Page 4 JURKOWICH : It can still be considered an. arterial. . Sovocool. Hill. Rd , West Groton. St. . , Lick St . , S �. l. t. Road , an. d Old Stage Rd * are added on. as collectors . Another question. I had , is I iden. t. ified Champlain. Rd . as a coll. ect; or ; I wasn ' t sure if people used it as a way from McLean. to Groton. City an. d through , or . . . . . . TOTMAN No . Where do yoi;i have Champlain Rd . stropping ? JURKOWICH : At; St; even. s Rd . There ' s n. ot; much traffic , OK . TO 'CMAP;? : It ' s the McLean. , Cortland Rd . that; ri n. s into Peruville Rd . , all. the Way into Lansing . JURKOWICH : An. arterial. . 'Phis is uie first step in. doing that; traffic circi:il. ation. thing ; to see Which are the major routes going in. an. d out of rown. , which are the main routes used within. Town. , etc . Well. ]. take this in. forma - Lion an. d come back with some ideas . 'PO 'PMAPII : What are yoil calling Down Line Rclad ? JURKOWjC :i : ( referring to map ) Another question. I hare , there is a Wood Road and a. Wepods Road , is that; right; ? PO 'PM. PJq: yes . RANKIN Add on. Cobb Street, . JURKOWIICH0 Oki Cobb Street . We also put. together some of the in. for - mat; ion. on. the Groton, housing market ; most; of Whicil yo ,:, have seen from the census stuff we have given. you . What; We have don. e is excluded the Village of Groton. from the n. i;imbers , so yoi:r coill. d see how the Town. stands when. you discoi;in. t what ' s happening in the village , so , the rown. ' s popl,ilation. is Slightly over 3 , 000 , The total. number of households is just Over 1 , 000 . The total. persons per household is 2 , 88 ; 1,, 1licil is higher than. the other Coun. ties . One of the reason. s is because if you look at the types of thin. gs that are in. Groton and the types of houses that are in. Groton , there are more families , ewer single_ family , single parent; households than. in surroi ii. din. cr ar. eaS . There ' s. much more likely a chance that there are both parents anal kids in the house than on. e parent an. d kids . Total. families it; is better than. . . . 1 , 0 ; 0 households , 844 of those goes for families which means it excludes single people PB 11 ,� 12 / 92 Page 5 " JURKOWICH : living alone * they are not conJ3idered a family or when. people share_ a house or apart- men. t . A person. who lives alone is not considered a family , so , that accounts for t; Yie difference_ in. the 200 , so , 8 % of those families in. Grot; on are female head of t; he families . If you look at the Other Counties , rompkin. s , as a whole , or Cayuga , or Corllan. d , i. hey are all right about 1' : 4 % . That ' s part ici;il. arl. y important; because female head of families FI :. have a high rate of poverty . Probably 1 / 3 of female head of families live below t; he poverty Level. . That; ' s a positive sign. t; hat; Groton doesn. ' t have many female head of households , so , probably doesn. ' t; have that particular poverty problem . Just; tell. me if you tYiin. k the numbers are wrong ; I ' 1. 1. double check my figures . Going down. to total units and vacancy data . This is all. 1990 data . In. 1990 , there wre 1 , 118 un. it; s , 47 of them were vacant , but only 9 were effect; ive vacancies whic1i means they were t. ryin. g to sell. them or rent. them , so , actual effective vacancy rate was less than. M A 5 % to 7 % vacancy rate is considered a heal. t; hy vacancy rate . It ' s not. hin. g to people who own. the housing . An. average ren. t; al i;tn. it. is going to be vacant for on. e month per year , that ' s why t; hey plan t; heir income around it being vzican. t; one mon. t- h out. of a year . The n. e )ct topic talks about, what t, t; yl� es of structures t; he housing i;in. its are . As you see , Groton. is much more heavily single faml. l. y residential with one unit detached , more - heavily so than. rompilzin. s Count; y , Cayuga or Cortland County . VANSLYKE : What does oneunit. detached minan. ? Ji.1RKOWIC11 : It; ' s not. a con. dominimum that. ' s attached to a bigger biail. din. g . It; ' s a detached single family . That ' S separate from mobile homes , so , if yoi;I add t; hose together that; ' s 93 . 7 % . The housing i;in. its are act. uall. y houses on, their own separat; e lot . rhat ' s very high , which is good . As you can see , it cert ain. l. y compares favorably with Tompkins , Cayuga and Cort; lan. d County . 'PO 'PMAN Bear in. mind , in. Grot; on. , it. doesn ' t, include t; he Village , bull When, you are included in. the Coun. t; y , you have to PH 11it12 ,T92 Page 6 TOTMANI: includes the cities ,ies - he v ' . a s e r � - 'i t, _ il. l � gE_ a , and _ � E_ ]_ ythin. g It s not fair . It ' s not. a truce picture . ITANSLYKE : I ' m Si; rprised that; Cayuina Couin. ty is that; Iowa 'N JUIRI OWICH : I ' 1. 1. check on. that; number , also . On. the next page , it; shows the percentage of the units in. the Town. that are owner occupied. ; it; ' s al. mcist 87 % , which is very high aga in. . The next, one STOW i ]- en. t; as a prOpO ]' t; iOn. Of t; l] e househol. ds in. Croton. . Of t; liose liousehoIds ghat; made under $ 10 , 000 . 00 in. 1989 , al. l, of t; hem paid 35 % or m017e of their income for rent . That ' s very high . PJorm :il. l. y , affordable rent; is considered 30% . For those liousehol. ds makin. between. 10 , 000 anal 20 000 . 00 actu� al. l. ret. t; g $ , $ y p Y heal- thy , ghat; is 2 / 3 of t; l] em Who paid Less than 30% . Then again. , on. ce you get. over $ 20 , 000 . 00 , people aren ' t 11 paying any accessive amount; s . In. t; he last; tabl. e , it; needs a 1. ittl. e explaining . My houseliol. d income , broke down for each household by such as how mrtcli income by range , again by t; he numbers . There ' s 100 households jal] o m . cde less then. $ 10 , 000 . 00 . There were 28 owner / occupied units that; were affordable to Clio se liousehoIds based on if they made t; 114t; $ 10 , 000 . 00 . The next. column. shows how many, rental. unit; s were affordabl. e I. o those wit; li incomes over-. , .10 , 000 - 00 , again. , _ n. ot; an.v . . moi- e . . than. __ .30;'/ . cf t. lieir income . The total. , t. lieresae ]_ _ 76 ,.. n. it, �� for those 100 hou5c_ hol. a .) , SO , act Ual. l. y that; would be considered part; of their income ; social. service , al. imon. _y , etc . Let: ' s jui .) t; go over t; lie next; on. e . 'There Were 61 liouseliol. ds that; made between. I' $ 10 ; 000 and $ 15 , 000 , There were 78 own. er ,toccuipied ian. it; s thaI. woi Id have been affordabl. e t. o them ; 55 ren. t; al. units with the cumul. at; ive units t; hat; - would have been available to someone making $ 15 , 000 ; it is the 76 pIus the 78 plus I. he 55 , t; hat equal. s 209 . The cumi:tlative need was 161 liouuseliol. ds and 209 affordable un. it. s . Compare how rvin. y lioulseliolAs verses how many iln. it; s . Again. , the on. 1. y real. prol) l. em area you have is at less then. $ 10 , 000 . A liouse - �I liol. d making Less than. $ 10 , 000 is going to I] « ve t; roubl. e . the ' rent charges is not. based on what; yoi] earn a year . If a house is worth $ 50 ; 000 ; your don ' t have t; o earn that much to make it . That ' s t; he key . 11 PB II 11i112 ;/ 92 Page 7 JURKOWICH : I think you ml_ sun. derstood me . Phere are six households mEikin. g more than. 11150 , 00 ,* . 00 . Phey are l. ivin. g in. housing much less than. 30 % of their income . B RREI;IP 'P : I i wanted. to go over the triter an. d . sewer maps . L e- t ' s do the water .3yst. em first . Of the two systems , it ' s the water system 'Ghat; extends a l. itt. l. e bit. outside the 11 Vi1. 1. age . If you look at. the sewer map , you can. tel. l. pretty mi.ich within. the boundaries in. the lril. lage . 'Phis is important; when you start to think about; capital. improvements , programmin. g an. d whether you ' ve given some thought. about; where to invest. money , more Water an. d 11 sewer needs , where you i�. oull. d think about the roads . 11 11 Infrastructure means th (? rOaC'tS ; Or another aspect. 1TY11CY1 you migYlt; get into latter abol:it , ic tirYlet; Yler you wol;il. d like to develop some kind of an. industrial. area or . . . . . CAREYI: Doesn ' t the trail. er park have water and sewer , it ' s on. the map ? It; doesn. ' t show it but I think it does Ylav (? BAY2RE 'l„P : I 1. 1. check on. i t; . CAREY Don. ' t; the people on. Lick Street. have public water ? ' -, OTMAPI : Yes , up until. they reach the . ceMetary , they do . BARRETT : Wr at we are going to start. doing is getting into the (=_ eon. om . c development anal. ,ysis . I would Like to have a Little input; please , as to Which direction. you Woul. d like us to look into as to some type of en. trelpreneurlal. program , where :- the Town , , My- imt.) ression. is that yoga don ' t wan. t. to create an, in. dus.t; vial. park and try to attract large corporations to come to Groton. . You Would rather provide in. Cubators , feeders , et. c . Do you wan. t to provide I an industrial. park ? I VAP1ShYKE : I thin. k so . II RANKIN : It woul. dn. ' t hurt to encourage on. e . I JURKOWICH : To encourage one rather than to in.vest; in, one is two different; things . 'PO 'PMAP�IIS : We aren ' t goin. g to get anybody in. the Town. to invest in. on. e . We' designate an. area and hope Somi:' body will. Com ;' in. and take it; over as such . What; they are saying is , pick an. area , take McLean. , for exam - 1e p do yoga want ill' PB 11 ,( 12 ,/ 9 2 Page 8 'r0 'rMAPJ : to designate an. area like that. for any kind of business or Perviville , or West; Groton. ? Those are the places Where the Town. of Groton. felt it m1:*, st feasible . I/APJSLYKE : I think it ' s the best place . 'PO 'PMAPJ : Any place ? Whet they are trying to Look for from you is some kind of consensus as to do we want; to promote some , kind of growth somin place ? We got to promote something to keep what. we got . B.ARRETT : We felt. the options iaere to try to attract large corpor - ations , to en. coi;irage mire entrepreneurial activities or incubators or something like that to look into Groton. as being m <.*) re of a bedroom community and then, t; o incor - porate agriculture as part; of the economy and also to retain the jobs which are here already . Those are the options . What we would like to know is ~~That; yoix ' re most interested in. . 'PWIGG : Agriculture is probabl. y, by far , the biggest business in the Town. of Groton. . CAREY : I say to encourage the small bi;isin. esses ; entrepreneur ial. ships . BARRETT : As opposed to keeping it a bedroom .:: ommun. ity ? CAREY . Yes . 'POTMAPJ : I think you got to go beyond the bedroom . community . That ' s going to be that; way any how . A bedroom community doesn ' t pay, the taxes . You got; tor . look at som ,::-jthin. g el. se . R.APJKIPJ : You got; to bring something in. . 'r0 'PMAPJ : You wan. t. to encourage more small. businesses . YOU ' Ve got; a large building on. Main. Street right. now that ' s empty . One of those little businesses that came here has left . What you ' re doing now is you ' re looking at gays to replace money . We also got. to look at; trying to encourage those that. left to come back . BARRETT : So , this is what I have so far . We ' ll Look into designating an. area for industries or high tech firms , encourage , maybe develop some types of programs for entrepreneurs , also in. preserving agriculture as a form of the economy , and to retain. existing jobs . The last thing I Want to know is would you like Joan. and I to PB 11 j/ 12 ,/ 9 2 Page 9 RRE 'P 'P : focus on. the Groton. commiln. ity and the economic analysis or focus more on. the region. , like Cortland or Ithaca into developin. g some type of an. economic strategy, or program ; sliouId we Look just. within. the Groton. commun. ity or shoi;il. d we consider CortIan. d or Ithaca as wel. 1. . VANSLYKE : rlie area around iris , because that ' s where most people are going to go to Work any Way . I think we slioul. d in.vol. ve them in. the opportunities that We have in, the .area . I wasn. ' t looking at. us developing Groton alone . I Was tliin. kin. g more in, terms of a bedroom r:. ommun. ity , rather than making a big development; Here . TWIGG : We Were wondering slioul. d We involve Groton and the surrounding areas ? 'PO 'PMAPI : Take into consideration. What. t. liey got to offer us too , for oi:tr gol. G . BARRE`�, 'P : For on. e thing , what Mike Stamn said at; the meeting , lie said youreal. l. y slioul. d con. sider What; is going on. over at the airport; when. you tliin. k about what you are goin. g to do liege in. Groton. . JURKOWICFi : The questions comes i;ip , if they are creating jobs over there , are you going to support; that ? Are you going to Look - at it as yoia are in. competition. With that , or do yoi;i see it as an. lopport un. ity for Groton. residents ? TUIIMFAN Those jobs are there , they are good for our peopl. e and a puce for them i: o go to work . What; We are also looking for is something to promr:, te enough growth So we cxet; the tax base back . We got to do both . En. courage Work el. sewliere and en. cour age in. cubators liege in. Town. . BARRE 'r 'P : I was asking if yoi;i want; your program to compl. emen. t something that ' s being offered in. Cort; lan. d or Within. the Coun. ty ? ITAPdSLYKE :. That woul. d be the kind of business that. would come in here any way . If you got; a guy who wants to open. up a machine shop or lie ' s going to open, up a 1itt. 1e plastic compan. y ; lie ' s going to be feeding Some larger corporation in. the area . He ' s not goin. g to be doing it; jilst; to promote some other business liege in. Groton. . If an. in. dilstry does come in. here , lie ' s gonna open. up t; he in. dustry , lout , PB 11 ,E 12 ,E 9 2 Page 10 `7ANSLYKE : he ' s also going to be sending it; t; o som larger corporation. . BARRETT : That ' s all I have for tonight . TO '1'MAP1 : You men. t; ion. ed something earlier about finding an, area for an. industrial home or park type t; hin. g . What are you going to be looking at. when you work on, that type of pro - j ect; ? BARRE 'r 'r : You mean, how we are going t. o designate the area ? 'r0 'rMAN : Yes , hoar are you going t. o talk us into it; ? BAI.ZRE 'r 'r : Hopefully we won. ' t; have to . talk you in. t. o it; . 'r0 'rMAN : No . I mean. , you are going to go otat , Look at; areas , figure out. where , t; hen. you are going to write it down, and t;ts what; area you think wotal. d be best ? BARIZErr : Right . TWIGG : Ax" e we st. il. l. t. al. kin. g about; t; he Zoning Ordinance here ? 'rOTMAN : The en. d result , when we get this comprehensive_ plan. done , we are visioning now then we come tap wit; h a plan. , then. from tliat; we are going to try, to put; an. Ordinance in, t; hat; will. bring all. of this t. oget; her , but you got; t-. o get t; he plan. first; . rhere ' s been. cases in, court. where the Ordinance has been shot. down. because they didn ' t, have a valid , tap - to - dal; e comprelien. sive plan t; o work from . TWIGG : But; I don ' t. think , as far as t; he heavy in. dust; ries , we are too far out of the main. t; ran. sporta .tion. lines . The only t. hin. g that Grot; on has is the cheap electricity t-. o attract; in. dust; vies . j7ANSLYKE : 'There ' ., several: things that t; he girls are going t-. o have t- o Look at as far as locat. in. g a place for industry . 'rOTMAN : When. you locate something , then. you got; t. o have supporting evidence why you did it that; way . It; ' s 9 0 t, 1, 0 a11. be documented , We talked at the last meeting about; before we go too far , meeting with the Town. Board and bring them up to date and see where we go from here ; do they Like what; we are doing , do they want; us to keep going , etc ? When. do you girl. s feel. would be a good time t. o .do ghat ? Sometime between. now and t; he first; of the year , they should be involved . Let; me put. it another way' . They agreed when. we started t; his project; that; we had so much money available . If we are going to con. tin. ue , I think it. ' s only Pb 1 ,r12 / 92 Page 11 'POTMAPI : appropriate t; o sit down. with the Town. , and ask them do you agree wit. 1i what we are doin.g ; . woial. d . you like us t. o change course ? If we keep going t; his way , are you going t. o be c3upport; lire of what; we are doing ? Then after we get, the affirmat; ivell response from the Town. Board , then they. aren ' t going to later on. say that; they don ' t. like comet. hin. g. . Ptiere ' s no sense in. going in. our direction. all the time , unless we know if _ Uie Body who sponsors us an. d who is paying ouju bills , agrees witYi what we are doing . TWIGG : Don ' t. they get : min. ut; es from our ml. etin. gs ? TOTMAN : I am si i: e t; hey do . CAREY : Now W OUl. d be a good time because we have our goals set . If they want. t. o add or si;ibt; ract; , now is t; he time instead of gett; in. g half way in. t; o it; . 'PO 'PMAPI What is yoi.ii- experience , girls ? JURKOWICH : I could make a si,iggestion. . How about at; oily next meet. in. g on. December 10th ? We can. prepare a summary to present t. o the Board that; we would like to meet with them just; to make sure what; we in. t. erpet; ted . Just; a summary u da1, e . 'POTMAN : So , meet wit; Yi them of t. er December 10 ? Good idea . Maybe we can. invite them to our regi:il. ar meet; in. q on, Dec . 17t; ti . The next meeting for the Comprehensive Plan. is Dece . 10 , at; 7 : 30 P . M . The Board will. be invited to our meeting on the 17th . SHELDON CLARK motioned to adjourn. . GEORGE IrANSLYKE seconded t; he mot; ion . ALL IN FA`rOR /MOTIOPIED PASSED I , SANDRA DEE DILLON , DO CER 'PIFY that; I did take the minutes of the aforegoin. g meet. in. g , and this is a t; rue and accurate c0i> y to the best. of my abil. ity . &AA," OA Sandra D i. l. lon.