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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-10-21 { TOWN OF GROTON Planning Board Meeting ^ Thursday,, Octobert 21 ,, 8 :00 - p . m : PLANNING BOARD . PUBLIC PRESENT ( * Denotes Members Present ) George Totman ,, Chairman * Brenda0Teeter-. Monica Carey * Kyrk Teeter Cecil `.Cwigg ' * Floyd " Dusty .• • KYeS . . . George VanSlyke * A-llen . Stickels , Jr . Veryl Rankin ; .* : Gedrge ,;SenLer,� Code Enforcement -Officer Roger 'Gl-eason - ' PUBLIC ; HEARING, Allen Stickels ,. Jr . , ;.Stevens Road , Tar. : Ma u --- - — P �0-1-_1 8 . 2 . GEorge :, Totman ';opened : the public hearin ' at 8 . g 02 , p . m . ,� ;Leau , the . public notice ( Attacnment ::A ),r and invited any questions from the public present . ;. kt G .. . TO^iMN • ( Question addressed to . Mr .• . Stackels ) Do you went to , tell . evpryone T what zt ;is exactly , you have in rnirid � _ A . STICKELS . First of . all ,� I have received numerous 'telephone calls asking . me what thi_ s . is all about*,+ and I told , them that , .. by . definition ,, that . anytime a , parcel of land is divided into ' " x " number of lotsthat after the fifth parcel is taken out ,, the sixth parcel is considered a major subdivision . . G . TOT.MAN : OK . Let me take it from there . I kno.•i: what you ' re getting at , Just for clarification ,, ' I have also been - asked what ' s this big* develop;nent going . up on . Stevens Road? ighere are all these houses going because a major subdivision has .been advertised in the paper? It ' s very confusing to people when it is put in there that way . Basically what Mr . • Stickels is saying is true . He has in the . past . subdivided _ various parcels of his land ,, but now -because he wants to sell the last remaining parcel , it becomes a . major subdivision . ' There ,,- ic . . . :nothing ;: eally happening except for what is already ttierea In order for Mr . . Stickels to sell that one parcel of land , it ' is classified as a major subdivision, ' which requires holding la public hearing . There will be no new houses going in , but the way the nature of the law is written , it had ' to be advertised that way . ( Question - directed to Brenda .* Teeter . ) Now,r•::. whereabouts do you live up there ? B . TEETER : We are on 321 Stevens Road--old Bentley house . A . STICKELS : Provided a brief history of who the parcels were sold to ( 1 through 5 ) . Forty-six acres with barn and house : is parcel 6 . It is all the same tax parcel . The parcel will be .surveyed . , . . We . are looking at a closing date of November 15 . B . TEETER : . - -, . . . . .. . , . The way ' it was worded,, it appeared that six houses were going to be built . .. A . STICKELS : If you would like a copy of the survey,, • you will, get one . G • TOTMAN : Sometimes it sounds so bureaucratic . : .. Be TEETER : It ' s confusing how you . read it . 'Town of Groton Planning Board b'er 21 " 8 : 00 p . m . Page KYES : Someday I would like to move this building where end walls can move pretty easy . When I, ,make enough. money,, put another 100 feet at a future date . G . VANSLYKE : I do no think anything . is ..going to change as .far, as activity or environment . G • TOTMAN : ( Mr . . Kyes : ) You don ' t have a problem if . the special permit reads �i anything :to be stored will be stored inside and not outside the building? F . KYES : That would not be a problem . G . TOTMAN : For , the . record , we, will recognize the . fact that Floyd has a : perinit for his demolition part , has a. rmI.it for sellin g ng used cars that : .. are controlled by #6i Zoning ° Officer ; . Arid , this : site plan review that he ' s asking : for ' now. - i.s ' to receive permission to have ' a : . storage facility for on-going business and all the materials will. , be stored inside . the building and . the" .only thing that will be visible on outside .-will be the fence. that' circles the ro rt - 114 thG r P Pe t are suppo_ ting the: vehicles for distribution . With . that being' : the case ,, I support a motion . G . VANSLYKE: Made motion to approve e v site 1 an u� pp review re . P quest . M . CAREY : Seconded motion . VOTE : ALL IN ° FAVOR ; MOT,ION ' CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . G . VANSLYKE : Provided a SEAR form to be filled out ,, Part II : A ) No B ) No C 1 ) None 2 ) Agricultural District-Activities inducive to those areas 3 ) None 4 ) _ No 5 ) No 6 ) None 7 ) None D ) No M . CAREY : Made motion for a negative declaration . C . TWIGG : Seconded -:motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . G . MAN : Now lets go back and approve the minutes of the September meeting . G . VANSLYKE : 11 Made motion to approve minutes from September meeting . M . CAREY : Seconded motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . Town of Groton Planning Board Meeting ;, , Thursday , ° Octob'er 21 , 1993 ,1 8 : 00 p . m . Page 5 TOTMAN : Why don ' t we make a list of .suggestions ,, recommendations , or , questions for c s dis u sion , in . q addition to reviewing ,, , g other mobile home ordinances ? I have ' a problem with the 840 square feet . I have seen smaller. homes that are nicer . G . VANSLYKE : What about Lansing ? What ' s their minimum on a mobile home ? G . . TOTMAN : They don ' t have any . G . VANSLYKE They don ' t allow . mobile homes at all . G . TOTMAN : I Yes they do . V . RANKIN . No ordinance or zoning . ' .G . TOTMAN : They :do some . 11 jr G . . VAN What do you mean ,, ' George ,, : aoout : . :the .840 square feet ?. Are you saying that just because others ' do.. not have the 840 square feet that they do not have a problem? G . TOTMAN : That ' s right. GoOVANSLYKE : Or are they ignoring the problem? G . TOTMAN : If you do not nave the 840 square feet in an ordinance ,, you do not have a problem because there ' s no problem . to be had . M . CA=Y : The next thing you know,, you ' re ' going to have all these camper homes all around . G . TOTMA1N : We are charging .something ` that we can five with . C . TWIGG : 11 Didn ' t we have to treat ,, at one time ,, mobile homes differently? G . TOTMAN : Yes . You have to meet the Health Department ' s rules and regulations . Septic systems—they tell you how mw� jy units you can 1have hooked to that septic system . The septic has to be a certain size . Di scu ss ' ion on HU D st andards was btought. 4up . It sounds like we have quite a few suggestions to discuss at the next meeting . ROGER GLEASONIPRELIMINARY .SUBDIVISION-TAx MAP NO . : 121 -1 -21 . 2 R . GLEASON : You had approved subdivision for four lots earlier and we sold one lot . When survey was done , the schoolhouse is not what it appears . We ended up with one lot less than 200-feet frontage . So this presented a problem . We tried to contact the people to see if they wanted to sell a piece ,, but they were not interested . I now realize that because of this that the Planning Board will have to turn it down . I will then ask for a variance with the ZBA . G . TOTMAN : We are not in a position to grant variances . I have spoken with Lyle who is aware of Mr . Gleason ' s situation . . It was not self- cxeated. . Now that the deed was done after approving rest of subdivision , it may be deemed an unusable lot ,, but the Planning aBord cannot really change the laws . 11 Town of - GrotonlIPlanning Board Meeting ,. Thursday October 21 , 1993 ,, 8 : 00 p . m . Pag C . TWIGG : F I think he may have a problem with the . Tompkins County Health Department . R . GLEASON . The way it was written ,I it goes back to the original grantors and grantees . I do not see any problem with the Health Department in approving the septic system on the lot . G . TOTMAN : . To make a long story short , it is short 15 . 18 feet . Obviously,, the Planning Board cannot legally .give an OK, on it . If it were possible , I would be willing to: grant the variance myself with the Planning Board ' s approval . Being that it is not possible , we will have to turn it down : Then go to the ZBA with the ZBA ' s understanding that . the only reason why we are turning it down because we do not have the same authority . . .:C : `1'WIGG : Made the motion to de. nY' P reliminarY -subdivision because of not - enough enou h road frontage G . VANSLYKE : 'Seconded motion . : G . TMIAN : Beca.rise we did nct :. .take an action ,, thereFis no need in filling out a SEAR . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . ' G . TOTPIAN : Distributed literature out to Board members concerning the 55th Annual Planning and Zoning Institute Program where he ( Mr . ' Tatman ) was the recepient of the - Hugh R . Pomeroy. . award : C . TWIGG : ( Question for G . VanSlyke . ) Do you think we should separate ' mobile home rules or group . them . like we . di-d before? V . RANKINa I do not think it is fair to the people . Meeting ended at 19e .30 puma Submitted by Penny Bogardus Next meeting, is scheduled for Thursday ,, November 18 ,i1993 ,, at 8 : 00 p . m . Town - of Groton' Planning Board Meeting ; Thursday , October 21 , 1993 ,E 8 . 00 pimi Pagk? v., G . TOTMAN : Getting back to Allen Stickels . Mr . Totman reiterated what was said . earlier during public hearing for those Board member ( s ) that were not present at the time . So lets discuss it now and either vote for it ,, against it , or whatever . . M : CAREY_: I don ' t oee anything wrong with it . The . people that were here " did not seem upset about it . Ve:- . . RANKIN : Made , the motion to approve the -six-lot major subdivision . Me CAREY : Seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION . CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . ' :.G •, - TOTMAN; : Did 1 anyone receive, in' the. ' mail changes on , mobile ", home ordinances ? , We have. 1 .13 " minutes " left : Zoning ` Board , : of Appeals " has had problems w th .; mobile home regulationse " It ::: i. s',':our .responsibility to : draw : . - .up something relative to this ;. . agree upon . itia ' and go to the r. Groton Planning Board . to ask' or.-'a change . or changes . . I feel we - - should discuss it : Before we make any motions to accept or reject , the : Board should be. aware of what - has. : to : .be 'done .here , if anything : G . VANSLYKE : Where did we get this iriformation ° froirt? Who wrote it ? G • TOTMAN : I received it from the Town Clerk ,, but I do not know who wrote it . me CAREY : One thing I do not like on . this is that it does not have the ordinance or clause of Article 15 . 1--mobile homes not in a mobile home park . I thir^k it should be put in there . G .. : VANSLYKE :. ;;; " What :do : they have for `dimensions . on * that ? Is. is the 840 square :feet ?. I wonder where they came up with the . 12 x170 or . 14 x 60? Is that common? G . SENTER : Yes ,, that is common . G . TOTMAN : Provided * hi_story on - the origin of the 840 square feet . G . VANSLYKE : , We are talking about the basic structure itself and . not talking about adding something on to' it afterwards . Ve RANKIN : That ' s the basic . G . VANSLYKE : Well , it should be clarified . G . TOTMAN: The intent was 840 square feet of living space . It didn ' t say you could not add on . Ve RANKIN : That ' s not the way. I read it . G . TOTMAN : I do not see any problem with somebody buying a mobile home with an add-on . Me CAREY : When they pull in this trailer ,, it either - has. to .be 12 x 70 or a 14 x 60 . You cannot put the addition on . You have to have it on there when you pull the trailer in on that lot . V : RANKIN : Talked about transportability . L l 1. .L . IJ / O . V\l rl . a{� - l .. . .e•f rlr}.• f C G . TOT."IAN : Asked if anyone else had any questions . Since no further questio� -' were asked ,, G . Totmari' closed the public hearing at 8 : 12 p . m . At this time ,i Mr . Stickels ,� we are unable to make ._ a decision based on not having a quarum . Personally , I do not - see anything wrong with it , but : in order for , us to vote on it ,, another Board member has to � be . present . Therefore ,, we will - move this at the end of our agenda until a fourth Board member, arrives . We can let you know tomorrow unless you wish to wait . G. VANSLYKE : We did the SEAR last month . G . TOTMAN : Next item of business deals with Dusty Kyes . SITE PLAN REVIEW,, FLOYD "DUSTY " KYES .G . . . TOTMAN : Dust would like to have. a site plan . review *on . ropert to : b�li-la y- P P 1 y anotror ' stor_ age .building where he : . can resume , some of the activities . that hP . was doing once before . : . 4 . G . VANSLYKE : Has any activity changed? : F : ; KYES : : No : ; - I had a salvage area and repair shop since back in the days = when. I '- could grew °hair.. Not realizing I maybe in some -technical violation by asking for a building permit-,' George Senter suggested that: I should request such a thing from you . I have had :a license to sell . cars since 1966 . Since that time , I have received license after license to have a repair shop ,, junk yard permit ,, etc . G . TOTMAN : Is that still in effect ? G . SENTER : He is requesting a building - .' : . 4_ qu g g permit for a warehouse . He is going � ° to be warehousing and transporting and such . He has ' not done this,: _ sort ' of thing and by adding a - new. warehouse ,4 I .thought everything shoulda -- table- -make be brought up front on the table -make everything legal . F . KYES : The actual ,, physical activity is not going to change . The only difference will be hopefully I will not get rained on . G . TOTMAN : In this warehousing /, you do not have customers coming in and outs do you? F . KYES0 No ." G . VANSLYKE : " I think he does all the trucking himself . G • TOTMAN : If you keep your present permits in tact and treat this as a separate entity,, basically, we are only talking about the operation of bringing - heavy trucks in and storing them in the warehouse . If this special permit was approved ,i maybe have the stipulation of no customers coming and going so there will be no need for off-street parking . G . SENTER : Maybe have a stipulation on hours of operation . C . TWIGG : Hours of operation may be difficult to determine . G . VANSLYKE : The slab already exists up there ,, right ? F . KYES : Correct .