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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-10-01 l' TOWN OF GROTON SPECIAL MEETING PLANNING BOARD THURSDAY , OCTOBER 1 , 1992 at 7 : 30 P . M . BOARD PUBLIC PRESEyr * George 'Putman Jean. nie Barrett and * Monica Carey Joan Jurkowich from the * Cecil. Twigg rompkin. s County Pl. ann. in. g * Sllel. don. Cl. ark Department; * Verl. Rankin. George Van. Sl. yke ( * present ) GEORGE 'PO 'PMAPI opened the Special. Meeting on the discussion of the Comprehensive Plan . 'PO 'rMAP1 : The purpose of this meeting tonight tonight. is to start the wheel. s in motion on the Comprehensive Plan. that we are working on. . I would real. l. y l. ike to devote our in. - terest tonight to what they , Jeannie Barrett and Joan. Jurkowich , come up with and start; the wlieel. s in progress . BARRE 'PT : What; I have put. together are different components of the Master. Plan. . Please feel. free to agree or disagree . 'rhe first is to develop a Mission. Statement . rhat. woul. d be the first part of the Master Pl. an. . We would like to go over the Goals & Objectives at; the next meeting. After we determine the 'Fission. Statement and Goal ,c, and Objectives , we �aoul. d sta :&-It looking : , t different; elements of the Town of Groton, starting with the Government Services that. you offer , then moving into some population. : rends . We would update that by going from 1980 - 1990 then doing popul. ation projections again . Al. so looK_ ing at the barsic demographics , for exampl. e : the age distribu - tion in the 'Down. of Groton. . How many 0 - 10 year olds are there ? Hr'1w many 10 - 20 year olds ? Look at income housing i 0 / 1 / 92 PB Page 2 BARRE `P 'P : or some other basic demographics . Then we woul. d move into Land Use , lookin. g at the current land use book by tax parcel. . We had the 'Down. of Groton map digitized by GIS Industries . Then we woul. d look at; Infrastructure ; water & sewer service and in.ve _ Ntory of the roads . Moving on to Natural. Resources ; soil. , sl. opes , agr. i. r: ulture , park ,,; 11 ; . nd recreation ; for exampl. e , there is that ol. d rai l. road that somebody should a'! e a look at . Economic Devel. opmen. t ; an. economic an. al. ysis in. cl. uding the regional. and n. a : . ional. trends on. some of the issues we discussed Then look at Econ. omic , Potential. s : the rise from smal. l. to medium firms and the down sizing of the large manufacturing firms , which woul. d be attractive in. certain areas . Also brought up at the meetings we had , was the possibil. ity of Groton becoming a bedroom community and the Farmers Market wa. s another option . With al. l. of tL. at; , we would devel. op different devel. opments in areas or options ; different ways that the town of Groton. could grow physica1, Iy . For exampl. e , how would the 'Down r,, f Groton. look if you continued with traditional. s ,;; bdivisio : ks or if you started to focus more on the areas like Mc- Lean. or West; Groton ? Look at development that would protect Agricultural. Devel. op - men. t , that maximizes the use of existing road frontage - With al. l. of that-:, , bo.ppeful. l. y we would - tart; directing our efforts , o more developrren. t scenarios , look at the Zoning Ordinance. ' . hat would be required and the guide for the Pl. ann. in. g Board as 1- I:qu review development pr. oposal. s ; something to guide you to implement the Master Pl. an . PB 10 ,/ 1 ,/ 9 2 Page 3 BARRE `P `P : Finally the implementation. ; we would look at; different programs to implement the Master Plan and the prope _ planning tools . `POTMAPI : According to the Plew York State Rules and Regul. atio :li ;= , if you are going to have a Zoning Ordinance , it is -, - imperative that you have a Master Plan . Some Zoning cases have been lost in Court because they liaf'l Zoning laws o :i they tries to bake people comply witi-i Zoning Laws which didn ' t relate to their Master Plan , or they didn ' t have a M :Ister Plan . You 'nave to have somet 'ning on rE, cord that you agree with and the general. 'Down. lia s accepted it in. order to legally work with . Wli ;:Jt I Fim getting at , is there is real. need for co :r in. g up I.aiith. a Compreliensiv(,-! Plan . Even , j Mission Statement could be called a Comprehensive Plan . Our Master Plan was made back in the 1960 ' s . We have literally changed the Ordinan , e three or fc:, ". ; times since then , so , that i:. hrew tout the Maste N Plan, once changes were made . We are , 1. 1. in. agreement , Jeann. ip . Nook% we are taking this and saying , what ' s next ? JURKOWICII : B13- sicall. y working o :t. tii_ ree . hr. ough eight . 'rOTMAN : rhey will be working on this information they got , Jeannie and ,, Joan wil. 1. , so we lia •,1e to be ready to agree witil or disagree witf, iahat they are giving us , or make some changes . Otherwise , we will. be working on this for a co ,.ip ; e of `% ears . We n. ec (1 to give them uirection. s , otherwise we will. be wasting al. ot of time . BARRE 'P `P : rhere are some things t ;lat; are not :in here , please feel. free to add them on. . PB 10 ,/ 1 / 92 Page 4 'r0 'rMAN Would you girls be able to gel. a s % mple of a Comprehensive Plain from another 'rown who has done one so that; we could get the end result ? It w6uld be helpful to see really what we are . looking for . JURKOWICH : Sure , or maybe a table of contents . 'rurw, PJ : Just-, something for us to go on. . RA.NKIN On. number four , Cu .e• ren. t Land Use , whai: would that entail. ? JURKOWICH : We have gone around about 11al. f of the Town. sc* rFar , notinc�; where all. the houses and businesses are on the map .. The series of maps we have also are used for tax assessment- records . 'rWIGG : On. 7A , what; is the signific .i. ni... e of : a slope ? JURKOWICH : It gives you a sense of how difficult; it is to develop e <: ch property , or Y-Low expensive it. Is . General. l. y . speaking , sometimes the very flattest. land is more expensive to develop because it doesn. ' t drain. well. . 'rliis is basic ,: t. 1y to give an idea on the contours . This is also to address not just. residential development but; also if you aro going to be looking for an Industrial. Park . Is there any area that you think is terribly important , that you think we should stress , maybe you might want; more stressed than. others ? R ANKIN9 Industrial. Development . JURKOWICH : It is under all. of these topics . RANK IIJ0 I think it is a bedroom commun. it: ,,F . 'r0 'rMAPJ : Ewen in a bedroom community , you on. i. y tlin. k of it as home . You sti1. have to have infrastructure , services , and some - thing to take care of the tax b ;- se . So , one of our PB 1 oil 1 / 92 Page 5 'PO 'PMAT#,T responsibilities in. Plan. nAn. g is we have to counteract that Joss of revenue and c,� et; sometl . in.g else . BALRRErr : One thing I would like to go over is how you wa :-. t; i; he Public involved , or do you want the Public involved. in the completing of the Master Plan ? CAREY : War., argue amc.ingst; our :-Se .1. ves , if they come in. not under - standing the Rules an. d Regulations or the Code , it will. be mess . To ,rMAN Before we asked for their in ;. ) ut; when we had the : meetings . I think as lon.g as they a ~ e informed , maybe a quarterly news - letter , to keep them infoi�' med on what we are doing : Maybe after a couple of F: hose , and we got our plan together to p !resen. t to the Down. Board , then we will. hold another Public Hearing to say t iAs is what; we got to give to the Town Board . BARRE 'P 'P : I wondered if you wan. ted any type of an ad hoc ; a ? ubl. ic committee working with you . 'PO 'PMAN : No . RP%P1KIPI No . BARRE 'P 'P : 'rhe last option I want to get your feedback on is once we (jet somia of triis iii. format; ion put together , is wr, are. going to put sort of a Bulletin Board together and pelt it out in different Darts of Groton and allow people to comment on k, r. e progress . CARE '. : 'Pha � is a good idea . TOTPIAN : Do you like that; idea rather than having group meetings ? RANKIN . Yes . 1t: IGG : Yes . CLARK . Yes . PB 10 ,/ 2 / 92 Pi Vie 6 CAREY : Yes . 'r0 'rMAN When we get all. done and present som thing , nobody can say that they had no say in t1 e matter . BARRETT : Tlie next newsl. ett; er wil. l. be fter we get; some prel. imi. n. ary work done . What I wol;ll. d I. ike to do is set; up a regular meeting schedule . 'PO 'PMAPI : October 20 , 1992 at 7 * 30 P . M . and November 12 , 1992 at; 7 : 30 P . M . Our regul. ar P . B . meeting is October 15 , at; 8 : 00 P . M . BARRE ' , "P : So , at the next; meeting , we are going to go over the Mission Statement and the Goals and Objectives . Given that we have an. outl. in. e now , we wil. l. get a more detail. ed work program going and we will. devel. op a budget also . Does anybody have any final. comments on the three meetings we had ? TWIGG : I don ' t understand , as far as the Planning Board goes , where housing is concerned . What; can we do about; housing ? CAREY : Low incoming liousin. g was brought up . What can we do about something Like that ? Do we real. l. y want low incoming housing ? JURKOWICH : 'I' liere are things you can. do . CAREY : Po prevent; it or encourage it . 'rWIGG : Some of the things we can do to prevent low incoming housing woul. d be not to put so many restrictions on. peopl. e building houses . JURKOWICFi : 'Elie State just passed a new law cal. l. ed IncentiveHol;lsin. g . If somebody is going to provide lower income or even moderate income housing , lie coul. d make a trade off with some of the Zoning restrictions . You can. actual. l. y write into the Zoning Ordinance that; you need lial. f an acre for PB 10 ,E1 / 92 Page 7 JURKOWICH : every housing i:in. it , exc (, pt if you are going to build lower income housing ; you would either agree or disagree . 'PO 'PMAN Joan. , why don ' t you expl. ain. to the Board what the County is doing on low income housing . JUIZKOWICIi : 'Plie Affordable Housing Board has been. tal. kin. g :for aboi:it three yeears now , this summer , there were committees appointed to look at; specific issues in terms of what needs, to be done with local. zoning to encourage affordabl. e housing , what; needs to be done with water and sewer , what the County can, do for filn. din. g . 'PO 'PMAN rhey have got; to get the 'rown. ' s to make areas availabl. e for affordable housing or cut; down the sizes of the lots n or cut down the road frontage requirements , so that peopl. e can afford to buy the Ian. d . Until. yoi:t do al. l. that; or until, you get a 'Down to agree that; they wil. l. Iet a certain area be set; aside for affordabl. e housing ; which means in any case , a substandard housing , nothing iail. l. be accomplished . BARREvr There is one other thing before we go , just; read that over , if there is anything you feel. that; shoul. d be in. there , Iet; me know . the last; thing is , at what point; or , do you even want-, to deal, with getting the IIil. lage in.vol. ved in. this Master Pl. an ? Do you want to wait un. t. 11. you have something el. se ? CAREY : Wait until. we ar. e near the end . 'I'WIGG : Wait; until. just before we sign it . 'PO 'I'MAP1 : the question was , how are we in. vol. vin. g the Vil. lage in what we are doing ? I am making sure the Vil. l. age fathers and the school. superintendent is getting the minutes of our public hearings , so that they are wel. l. aware and PB 10 ,l 1 ,i 9 2 Page 8 TOTMAN informed of what; we are doing and so that they know that we are doing this . We can ask them for any input . When we are ready to present it; to the Town Board , and when we get ready for the Publ. ic Hearing , before we have the Public Hearing , we are going to have something in writing saying what we are going to do . We wil" 1. send it to the Village Board Meeting and l. et them look at it; before we go to he public . mere is another topic of conversation, tonight . There is a lady and tier two sons . She sold part; of trier land to one of the sons , and now lie is breaking his in.. lial. f and sel. l. in. g it to the other son. , which woul. d mean actual. l. y breaking it into a third lot , which would mean they need a subdivision. . Now , they didn ' t know that . rlie one bought a Dirge parcel. of land off his mother to build a liouse on it , so that; it is al. l. legal. . So , lie sells half of that; to his brother . So , his brother comes in for , a building permit . It is near the en. d of Septembei. by this time . Fie liar everybody al. ]. Iin. ed up . Ile has bought; his unit that; lie is going to live in . lie has got the contractors coming in. to put; the sewage , septic , and everything in. ; then lie comes in for the buil. din. g permit . He gets turned down. by the Zoning Officer because it now if becomes a subdivision. , and you can ' t get a buil. din. g permit; because it; is a subdivision . So , we don. ' t, meet until. the third Thursday in October , which is getting into the winter time . het me tell. you what I did . Instead of appl. yin. g for it in. his own. name , lie applied for it; in his mothers PB 10 �11 / 92 Page 9 'r0 'rMAPd : name . So , I had him take the appl. icat; ion back and put his mothers name on it . The land is still. in leer name . 'Pliere is nothing saying she can ' t pelt two dwel. lin. g units on leer l. an. d as long as she has got-, enough land .; rliey still. got to survey it and everything , so that when they come in and ask for the : . subdivision , even if we turn it; down. , it is still, in leer name and still. on leer Ian. d . From what I see , lie has got over an. acre of Ian. d , lie has got over 200 ft . of road frontage . I . just wanted you to be aware of the situation. before lie comes in. . ( Meeting closed 10 : 00 P . M *) I , SANDRA D . DILLON , DO CERTIFY that at the above meeting , I did take the minutes and the aforegoin. g is a ; true and accurate copy of said meeting to the best of my abil. ity . Sandra Dil. l. on.