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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-08-10 JOINT,MEETING - BETWEEN - GROTON - PLANNING - BOARD - AND - GROTON TOWN - BOARD,, - AUGUST - 10 ,E - 1993 MANNING BOARD ( *Denotes Members Present ) * Sheldon Clark Monica Carey * George Totman,I Chairman Cecil Twigg * George VanSlyke * Verl Rankin TOWN BOARD ( *Denotes Members Present ) * Theresa Robinsonr * Ellard Sovocool * Gordon VanBenSchoten . * Donald Cummings Carl Haynes PUBLIC PRESENT Joan Jurkowich G . TOTMAN called meeting to order at 7 : 40 p . m . We are here to discuss the Comprehensive Plan for the Town of Groton . G . TOTMAN : We have been working very closely with Joan Jurkowich to -present a Master Plan for the future plans for the Town of Groton . Now,! we have finalized a Master Plan and wish to present it to the Town Board for their consideration . It is normal to have a meeting like this before taking it to the public . It is by law that we will hold a public hearing . We will answer any questions you may have . J . JURKOWICH : Provided an updated land-use map . I ask that the Town Board members review the recommendations of .-the Comprehensive Plan . The Comprehensive Plan ' s major recommendation is to divide the Town into high-intensity and low-intensity areas- what is per�nitted in the various zoning districts . I ask that you review the maps that were provided for you . Encourage the Planned-Unit Development, Incentive Zoning ,, and Commerical Zoning . As far the the lob-intensity areas , we are encouraging cluster development and flag lots . Other recommendations include capital improvement program,, ECHO housing ,, and economic development . As far as the ECHO housing , BOLES is building a model . As far as the economic development , the ' own and the Village need to work together as one unit . In the Draft plan that was provided ,, there is a lot of background information , report on population,, economics ,, environmental resources since the 1972 plan . On these issues,, you may consider it an update . G . TOTMAN : We have been continuously keeping the Town Board informed of our doings through US mail . Does the Town Board have any questions on what we have been doing ? Are we wasting our time? Do you wish to have anything clarified . Now is the time to inquire . This is a draft . In the ends whatever we come up with ,, the Town Board has to pass . JOINT MEETING - BETWEEN - GROTON - PLANNING - BOARD AND GROTON - TOWN - BOARD , AUGUST 10 , 199- Page - 2 • /D o CUMMINGS : When you are talking about cluster housing , I can ' t think of any place in the Town outside the Village where we have that now . In other words , you would not have to have the 200 feet , right? G . TOTMAN : Gave an example at length . D . CUMMINGS : Gave an example off Rt . 222 pass Sears Road . They cannot have an acre for each house there You would have to make sure public water and sewer was available . G . TOTMAN : Sometimes you can have your own water and sewer system . For example , the Jehovah Witness facility that is going to hold 1 , 200 people--they are going to have their own system . It can happen . ( Groton has really has -.not changed in the past 20 years . T . ROBINSON : What about water and sewer protection? I forese , in the future that McLean will have their own sewage system because the saturation of land will only take so much . What about excess? G . TOTMAN : I think what Theresa is trying to say is that once it becomes a public sewage system, then it becomes a Town problem . No, we have not really got into that area, basically, because you are talking about an enormous amount of money, but your concern is 100 percent right . T . ROBINSON : An area I had in mind was the Town of Dryden . G . TOTMAN : I realize what you are saying . I don ' t really have an answer for you . One thing, we don ' t have . the authority . T . ROBINSON : One reason why you are having a plan is to make plans for the future . I foresee this as a future problem . * *Maybeo xpand the comprehensive plan on above . . _ : G . TOTMAN : _ Anybody else have any ideas? Louie-, , how about you? E . SOVOCOOL : The only thing I oppose to is the flag lots . Otherwise ,, everything else is fine . T . ROBINSON : Expressed concern on how to access these areas . Are roads ( new ones ) going to have to be built? G . TOTMAN : Tompkins County is one of the more stricter counties as far as approval . The Town of Groton is the only town that reauires 200 feet in the County . Everyone else is 150 . Maybe change the zoning ordinance ( ? ) The general consensus was that it was heading in the right direction . G • TOTMAN : Anybody else? OK . Before presenting this to the public , we wi ]Ll make the above-mentioned changes and schedule a public hearing . We will present the results of this meeting .at our next scheduled monthly Planning Board meeting . Joan will .make the necessary revisions and contact you with these revisions . If we do not hear anything from the Town Board,( we will go ahead with a public hearing . Is this agreeable to everyone ? T . ROBINSON : Can you anticipate the public ' s reaction . For example ,+ realtors may consider flag lots a big deal . JOIN' MEETING BETWEEN GROTON - PLANNING BOARD AND GROTON TOWN BOARD , AUGUST 10 ,E 1993 - - Page - 3 D . CUM MINGS Getting back to these flag lots . We don ' t have these now,, right . It is ? illegal in the Town of Groton . I ' m really not opposed to that . Example : Lick Street-Roosevelt property . It seems that a few people are going that way, and I don ' t see any harm in doing that . V . RANKIN : Are we coming to a vote? G . TOTMAN : Discussed at length various examples of flag lots . Anybody else have any questions? If not ,I the Planning Board will meet on the 19th and we will tentatively set a date for the public hearing . Is this fine with everyone? We even had previous public hearings . What did you think about the public hearings ,I Joan? J . JURKOWICH : The hearings brought up good discussions and points that we didn ' t even think of . We received new ideas and tried to follow through on them . i G . TOTMAN : OK . I make the motion to officially close the meeting . V . RANKIN : Seconded motion . a TOWN OF GROTON Planning Board Meeting Thursday ,, July 29 ,E 1993 ,E 7 : 30 p . m . PLANNING BOARD ( * Denotes Members Present ) * George Totman ,I Chairman * Monica Carey * Cecil Twigg George VanSlyke * Verl Rankin Sheldon Clark PUBLIC PRESENT Joan Jurkowich George Totman called the meeting to order at 8 : 01 p . m . MASTER PLAN SUMMARY Members were asked , from Joan ,( if there were any comments or questions on the Master Plan Summary draft that was sent to each individual in the mail for his / her review . Topics of discussion included any changes in Plant coordinating a meeting with Groton Town Board ( GTB ) in addition to notifying - the public . What means of communication are going to be used to inform the public ? G . TOTMAN : Had a question about the color - coded map that was included in Plan . Areas of concern were the vacant and agricultural locations . It seems most of the vacant land is agricultural . J . JURKOWICH Let me explain how we did the map . We went by what the Tompkins County Assessment Department ' s records showed . G . TOTMAN : What is open space ? C . TWIGG ' What is this red spot in McLean ? Commercial ? G . TOTMAN : One spot that shows vacant land is the Haynes ' Farm . G . TOTMAN : The outdoor recreation area . The Groton Rod and Gun - Club . ( ? ) J . JURKOWICH : I thought that was the Groton Rod and Gun . Clu+be C . TWIGG : The Groton Rod and Gun Club is located on the other side of the road . Town - of - Groton - Planning - Board - Meeting . - _ . . . . . - - . . . . - - - . Page 2 'It seems that a few of the " vacant " spots on map seem to be farms . J . JURKOWICH : A lot of the yellow is rural and residential . Again ,( we went by the Tax Department ' s records . Groton Planning Board ( GPB ) reviewed map . J . JURKOWICH : There is no problem in making any changes . We will make it into one . ategory : 1 ) Rural and residential ; 2 ) Open space ; 3 ) Vacant ; and 4 ) Agricultural = Rural areas . G . TOTMAN : I have read the rest of the Plan and feel that it is a good plan . I do not feel there is anything wrong with it . , Other GPB members were in agreement . ,, G . TOTMAN : I assume ,, Joan ,, that previous revisions made in th_e. past _ are being . implemented? J . JURKOWICH : That is correct . G . TOTMAN : Does anybody have any questions - , or. - wish to • make a motion ? G . TOTMAN : The map is colorful but not useful . M . CAREY : Made the motion to accept the Plan with the appropriate changes and provide a more useful map . C . TWIGG : Seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR : MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY G . TOTMAN : So what ' s the next step we are going to take ? V . RANKIN : We would meet with the GTB . G . TOTMAN : What dates ? Town - of - Groton - Planning - Board - Meeting - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Page 3 'GPB Members discussed various dates . G . TOTMAN : It looks like either August 2nd or August 5th . GPB Members § eem to be in ' agreemen,t . G . TOTMAN : OK . I will coordinate with Colleen Pierson and get back with you . Please be thoroughly prepared to answer any questions that may be asked from the GTB . We are suppose to have a public hearing after the meeting with the GTB . We are going to tell the public why we are having the meeting and to lei them feel that they are part of the process . This is a Master Plan meeting and not an ordinance meeting . Co TWIGG : What are the steps we have left ? G . TOTMAN : ( Provided a very general agenda . ) First ,. meet with GTB on Master Plan . Second , schedule a public hearing . Third� ,� schedule another public hearing on ordinance . Fourth and final ,, meet with GTB on ordinance . C . TWIGG : How big is the Master Plan going to be when it gets done ? G . TOTMAN : There will not be any final changes made until we meet with the GTB . Right ? ( Question . meant for Joan . ) J . JURKOWICH : Yes . G . TOTMAN : Again reiterated and re - emphasized the importance of being prepared before the meeting with GTB by reading the Plan . C . TWIGG : Raised concern on housing development being built on less suitable land . Is this less suitable land for housing development ? J . JURKOWICH : It may not . be your first choice of picking . It is just that you have to be careful and / or cautious . Example ,, placing of septic . G . TOTMAN : Any other questions ? V . RANKIN : We will read this over -and lets get in contact with GTB . Town - of - Groton Planning Board Meeting - Page 4 G . TOTMAN : Is there an interpretation of the Soil Distribution Map ? C . TWIGG : We do a SEQRA on subdivision . G . TOTMAN : You have to do a SEQRA on every action you take . C . TWIGG : Expressed wildlife concerns . We should try to find out what the guy is going to do with the land . C . TWIGG : Expressed concerns about building in swamp areas or swamp land . G . TOTMAN : If lots are only one - for ' two - acre lots ,, Cecil ,t and it is a wetland ,, they cannot do any activity within '. 100 feet of that wetland . If you cannot do it ,, there should be something in the ordinance stating so . C . TWIGG : When someone comes in with a subdivision situation ,, we ,, the GPB ,, should really look into it . M . CAREY : We already do that ,I Cecil . G . TOTMAN : I see what you meant Cecil . Well . We will schedule either the first Monday or Thursday in August to meet with GTB . G . TOTMAN : Adjourned meeting at 9 : 00 p . m . Submitted by Penny Bogardus