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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992-10-01 TOWN OF GROTON SPECIAL MEETING f PLANNING BOARD T11URSDAY , OCTOBER 1 , 1992 at 7 : 30 P . M . BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT * George 'rotman. Jeannie Barrett and * Monica Carey Joan. Jurkowich from the * Cecil. 'Pwigg rompkin. s County Planning tShel. don. Clark Department * Veil. Rankin. George Van. Sl. yke ( * present ) GEORGE , 'PO 'PMAP1 opened the Special. Meeting on the discussion of the Comprehensive Plan . 'PO 'PMAP1 : rhe ' purpose of this meeting tonight tonight is to start the wheels in motion on the Comprehensive Plan. that we are working on. . I would really like to devote our in - ter ,est tonigI.it to what they , Jeannie Barrett and Joan. Jurkowich , come up with and start the wheel. s in progress . BARRE 'P 'P : What I have put; together are different components of the' Master Pl. an. . Please feel. free to agree or disagree . 'Phe first is to develop a Mission Statement . That would be the first part of the Master Pl. an . We would like to go over the Goals & Objectives at the next meeting . After we determine the Mission Statement and Goal. s and. Objectives , we would start lookincy �; t different el.emen. ts of the Town of Groton starting with the Government Services that you offer , then moving into some popul. ation. '. rends . We woul. d update that by going from 1980 - 1990 then doing population projections again . Also looking at the baL: ic demographics , for exampl. e : the age distribu - tio :').. in the Town of Groton. . How many 0 - 10 year olds are there ? Hclw many 10 - 20 year olds ? Look at income housing PB 10 ,E 1 / 9 2 rage 3 BARRETT : Final. l. y the impl. emen. tation. ; we would look at different programs to impl. emen. t the Master Plain and the propel pl. ann. ing tool. s . I' 0 `PMAN : AccordJ. ng to the New York State Rules and Regul. atio _i , if you are going to have a Zoning Ordinance , it is imperative that you have a Master Plan . Some Zoning cases have been lost in Court Lecause they liar' Zoning laws or they tries to :r: ake peopl. e co7r:p .1y witi-, Zoning Laws which didn ' t rel. at-, e to their Master PlFrn , or they didn ' t; have a M :; ster Pl. an . You i : ave to have somet ; ;. ing on 'record that you a �� ree with and the general. 'Down lla =: accepted it in. order to I. egal. l. y work with . Wh ;:jt: I cI getting at , is there is real. need for co :r, in. g up witi ). a Comprelien. siv(? Pl. an. . Even ;i Mission, Statement coul. d be cal. l. ed a Comprehensive Pl. an. . Our Master P1 '3n was made back in the 1960 ' s . We li ;.jve I. iteral. l. y changed the Ordinan Ae three or f000. . ' times since then. , so , that: threw Chit the Mas.te Plan once changes were made . TA-Te are -L%tlA. in agreement , Jeann. ip- Now we are taking this and saying , what ' s next ? . JURKOWICII : B ,3_ sical. l. y working o _- three 1-.hr. ough eight , TOTMAPI : They will. be working on. this information. . they got , Jeannie and Joan wil. 1. , so we haN„ e to be ready to agree witi-i or disagree witi-, what; they are giving us , or make some changes . Otherwise , we '4. i1. 1. be working on this for a co �.ipl . e of years . We nee to give them directions , otlierwise we wil. l. be wasting alot of 1-. 1me . BARRE 'P `P : rhere are some things tDat; are not Jn lie _ e , please feel. free to add tL. em on. . PB 10 , 1 / 92 Page 5 'rOTMA:T : responsibil. ities in. Pl. an. n. in. g is we have ', o coun. teract; that , . oss of revenue and _set someti-kin. g else . B,, RRE 'P 'r : On. e thing I would like to go over is how you want �; he Public involved , or d :�P you want the Publ. ic in.vol. ver, in the completing of the Master Pl. an. ? CAREY : W �_ argue amongst. our :, e .i. ves , if ti-tey come _in not under - standing the Rules and Regulations or the Code , it will. be mess . TO 'PMAN : Before we asked Tor their in. put when we had the . meetings . I t; hin. k. as l. on. g as they a " e in. formed , maybe a quarterly i,. ews - l. et; t; er , to keep them i. nfo _r. med on what we are doin. g . Maybe after a couple of - hose , an. d we got our plan. together to p .r esen. t; to the Town. Board , then we will. liol. d an. other Public Hearing to say t ,;. is is what we got; to give to -'(-. lie Town. Board . BARRETT : I wondered if you wanted any type of an ad hoc ; a nubl. ic committee working with you . 'rO 'rMAN : No R :NKIPJ : No .' BARRETT : The' last option. I want; to . get; your feedback on. is once we ' c et; somc of this ilifo.-r- mation put; together , is wo, are going to put; sort; of a Bul. l. et :in. Board together an. d put it; out; in different; parts of Groton. and allow people to comment on L: r,. e progress . CARET : Pha is a good idea . ro,r "lAN : Do you Like that; idea rather than. liav . n. g group meetings ? RANKIN . Yes . IGG : Yes . CLARK : Yes . ' PB 10 ,/ 11/ 9 2 Page 7 JURKOWICH : every housing unit , exck, pt; if you are going to build 1owet income housing ; you would either agree or disagree . TOTMAN : Joan, why don ' t; yogi explain to the Board what the County is doing on low income housing . JURKOWICH : `The Affordable Housing Board has been. tal. kin. g for about threje yeear s now this summer , there were committees appo; in. ted to look at specific issues in. terms of what needs to be done with local. zoning to encourage affordable hoilsing , what needs to be done with water and sewer , what the County can. do for funding . TOTMAN : They have got; to get the 'rown. l s to make areas avallabl. e for affordable, housing or cut; down, the sizes of the logs or cut down. the road frontage requirements , so that; peopl. e can afford to buy the land . Until. yoia do al. l. that; or until, you get a rown to agree that they wil. l. I. et a certain area be set aside ' for affordable liousin. g ; which means in. any case , a substandard housing , nothing will. be accomplished . BARRE 'r `r : There is one other thing before we go , just read that over , if there is anything yoi;i feel. that; should be .in there , let; me 11know 'rhe last; thing is , at what-, point or do you even want to deal. with getting the `Til. lage in. vol. ved in. this Master Plan. ? Do you want; to wait until. You have something else ? CAREY : Wait until. we are near the end . 'rWIGG : Wait until just before we sign it . 'TO 'TMAN The question was , how are we invol. vin. g the Vil. lage in what we are doing ? I am making sure the Vil. lage fathers and the school. superintendent is getting the minutes of our public hearings , so that; they are wel. l. aware and P F3 10 / 1 / 92 Page 9 J 'PO 'rMAN : name . So , I had him take the appl. icat; ion. back . anal put his motliers name on it; . Phe land is st; il. 1. in, leer name . There is nothing saying she can ' t, put t; wo dwel. l. in. g units on l er land as I. on. g as she has got; enough land . 'rliey st; il. l. got; t; 0 survey it and everyt; hin. g , so t; liat; when they come. in. and ask for t; he subdivision , even if we turn it; down. , it; is st; il. l. in tier name and st; il. l. on her land . From what I see , he has got over an acre of Ian. d , lie leas got ;, over 200 ft . of road frontage . I just wanted you to be aware of the situation before lie comes in. . ( Me`etin. g closed 10 : 00 P . M : ) I , SANDRA D . DILLON , DO CER 'PIFY that at the above meet; in. g , I did take the minutes and the aforegoin. g is a t; rue and accurat; e copy of said meeting to t; lie best of my ability . n Sandra Dillon. 10 ; 1 ; 92 Page 8 t 'r0 'rMAN : informed of what we are doing and so that they know that; , we are doing this . We can. ask them for anyinput . When" we are ready to present; it; to Uie Town Board , and when. ,; we get ready for t; lie Puibl. ic Hearing , before we have the Public Hearing , we are going to have something in writ; `in. g saying what we are going to do . We wil. l. send it to t; he Vil. lage Board Meeting and let diem look at it before we go to he public . There is another topic of conversation tonight . There is a: lady and leer t. wo sons . She sold part; of her 1anal to one of t; he sons , and now he is breaking his in. half and sel. l. ing it; to the ot; lier son. , which would mean. actual. 1y breaking it into a third lot; , which would mean. they need a subdivision. . Now , they didn ' t know that . The one bought a large parcel. of land off his motlier t; o build a libuse on. it , so that; it is al. l. legal. . So , he sel. l. s half of that; to his brother . So , his brother comes in. for " a buil. ding permit . It; is near the end of September by this time . He has ev :=_ rybody al. l. Lined up . He has bought his unit; ghat he is going to 1. 1ve in . He has got t; lie contractors . coming in. to put; Uie sewage , septic , and everything in. ; then lie comes in. for the buil. din. g permit . He gets t: urn. ed down. by t; lie Zon. in. g Officer because it now 1i becomes a subdivision. , and you can ' t get a buil. din. g permit; because it; is a subdivision. . So , we don ' t. meet until. the third Thursday in. October , Which is gett; in. g in. t; o the winter time . Let: me tell. you what I did . Instead of appl. vin. g for, it in his own name , lie appl. ied for it; in his mothers 101/ 2 ' 9 2 Pa : , e 6 CAREY : Yes . TOTMAN : When. we get all. done and present; something , nobody can say that they had no say in t; ile mat; ter .. BARRE 'r 'r : The next newslett; er will. be :after we get some prelimi- nary work done . What; I would Like to do is set up a regular 11 meeting schedule . 'PO 'PMAP1 : October 20 , 1992 at 7 : 30 P . M . and November 12 , 1992 at 7 : 30 P . M . Our regular P . B . meeting is October 15 , at 8 : 00 P . M . BARRE ' I 'r : So , at; t. lie next meeting , we are going to go over t; he . Mission Statement and t; tie Goals and Objectives . Given, that we have an. outl. in. e now , we will. get a more detailed work program going and we will. develop a budget, also . Does anybody have any final. comments on. the t. liree meetsings we had ? 'rWIGG : I aon. ' t understand , as far as the Planning Board goes , where housing is concerned . What; can we do about; housing ? CAREY : Low incoming housing was brought up . What can we do about t somet; hin. g like ghat; ? Do we really want low incoming housing ? JURKOWICFI : 'rliere are 1. 1iings your can do . CAREY : ro preven. t it; or encourage it . TWIGG : Some of t- lie t; hin. gs we can. do to prevent low incoming housing would be not, t; o put; so many restrictions on. people building houses . JURKOWICH : 'rhe Stat; e just; passed a new law called Incentive Housing . If , somebody is going t; o provide lower income or even moderate income housing , lie could make a trade off with some of t; he Zoning restrict; ion. s . You can. actually write into the Zoning Ordinance that. you need half an acre for 10 / 1 ,/ 92 Page 4 'PO 'PMAN : Would you girls bi, able ': o � ge ': a s ;::. mp1, e . of a Comprehensive Plain from an. ot; her 'Town who has done on. e so that we could get; the end result ? It would be he .i. pful to see rea i l. y what; we are looking for . JURKOWICH : Sure , or maybe a table of contents . 'POTM.?, P1 : Just; something for _ r, s to go on. . R IJKIP1 : On. number four , Cuj,: re :it Land Use , wha :. would that entail. ? JURKOWICH : We have gone around about half c) f t; he Down sr. ; ar , not10 11 (; where all the houses and businesses are on the map , the series of maps we have also are used for tax assessmen -1, records . rwi ( . G : On. 7A , what is the signific :3. ni. e of a slope ? JURKOWICH : It ,gives you a sense of how difficult it is t; o develop e -ach property , or 'row„ expensive it; :is . GenerallTir speaking , sometimes t; tie very flattest land is more expensive to develop because it doesn ' t; drain well. . This is basic ;. ily t; ogive an idea on the contours . 'Phis is also to address not; just; residential development but also if you ar ( Join. g to be looking for an Indust; vial. Park . Is there any area that; you think is terribly important , t; hat you think we should stress , maybe you might want more stressed .than. others ? RANK IN Industrial. Deve lopment . JURKOWICH : It is under all of these topics . RANKIN : I think it is a bedroom commun. ii : -% . i 'I' 0 'PMAP1 : E ,.sen. in. a bedroom commun. it; y , you only til. in. k of it as home . You st; ir. have to have infrastructure , services , and some- thing to tale c -,tre of the t; ax base . So , one of our PB Page 2 BARRE 'r 'r : or some other basic demographics . Then we would move into Land Use , I. 00kin. g at; 1; Yie current land use book by t` ax parcel. . We had the Town. of Groton map digitized by GIS Industries . Then we woul. d look at Infrastructure ; water & sewer service and in.ve _ :. tory of the roads . Moving on to Platural. Resources ; soil. , slopes , agri. rtulture , park ,_< ..- nu recreation ; for example , tht_ re is that ol. d rai l. road that somebody should I-. a !% e a Look at . Economic Devel. opmen. t ; an. economic an. al. ysis including the regional. and n. ac . ional. trends on. some of the issues we discussed rhen look at °Economic : Potential. s : the rise from smal. l. to medium firms and the down sizing of the large manufacturing firms , which wouId be attractive in certain areas . Also brought up at the meetings we had , was the possibility of Croton , becoming a bedroom community and the Farmers Markel. wa. s another option. . With al- l. of that , we woul. d develop different developments in areas or options , different ways that; the Town of Groton coul. d grow physicall. y . For example , hom would the 'Down r,. f Groton. look if you continued with traditional. s ;�. bdivisio _ 1. s or if you started to focus more on the areas I. ike Ml:. Lean. or West Groton ? Look at; development; that woul. d protect Agricul. tural. De! velop - men. t , that maximizes the use of existing road frontage . With al. l. of that , hc- peful. l. y we would -� t, art: directing our efforts -'Co more developt-rent scenarios , look at the Zoning Ordinan. ec .-. hat would be required and the guide for the Planning Board as _z .. review development; proposals ; something to guide you to imp ]- ement the Master Pl. an. .