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TO t.= N nF GFi: OTt_] N
PLANNING ING BOARD
THI..IRSDAY q I'vIAY 16 , 1991. q O A ""K) P a M
HOARD PUBLIC G PRESENT
* George .i_ s:ats:rl n ? Chr_-ti rm <::-trt W i i t i. art ;?- Sue Ripley
Cecil Tt .jirig
Rarikiri
4-mor: ica Ci � re
* Da %. i d Chattert. on
* George %) ansl yke
George Tatman , Chairmen. operied the Pl ar; rii ng :tow rd meenti ng
AMEND SPECIAL PERMIT for _ Hilltop
..... Meat
. _ Mar ket , Peru Rd . . operated by ..._ Williem_
F i. ple3' ._.to __. include
.-_the
_... gal.. e ..._ of _p_ r.oduce9.. .._. Ta?_. .__ Me �! .._. i�lcr >.. .._
G . TOTMAN : 161r Ri. p ]. ey 6aot..sl d I i ?n:: e t. i-gge7 ?=' I anni ng Bo .-:srs_? ' <._> Per :rti. Ss::. i ort fear a
pc;• r- m :it to ht .tve a produce wagon oi..tt in front on+ the meat. cBar- 1-:net
with no addi. ti. (.anal = ignuQ Jt..tc_. t a prodt_tc_ e wagon in hi parking lot:. to sell
t + ratdt_tc: e .
VA RANKIN : is-. ]. 't. 1er1 - .in
G . TOTMAN : ffi �s far r-i I know :it. i <_-:> Z c:aca c :i all :it takes J -:. a sped. ut :1.
per.0rcti. t. f rom t: he P1 ar: ri i ng B raz:trd e .1t. :i c t_t4-, .t_ o t1-re 'Dc_aar- d to make the decision
He is al rer, ciy there rt_trin i ng a I-st_ si ric-.rs 3 he i m. riot cat..tsi ng any ?probl emE:. to
t. t-tc:: contms_t :ti. tyN t-: e has s-tnnple par ?�:: ing , it. ti :ill be off the road Fo �teople
WCMI ' t be 1-, annnki. r: g up and dot-an the sr' o .kd Does asiy4_, casly have ar; ry questions to
D . CHATTERTONO. .I. l. Rot:e the people cls.; rt ' t. s". -tar. t par- 4t: i ng or-s the t-aes> t: <.e> i ck.z? of
t: t1c_r road o
S . RIPLEY : 1- 1..1ere i __: an area s::; f r1racitT b-% the building off the dr
we will be pt..Ltti. ng :?. t. tsac4•:: there can +.- he gram so that. WOL_t ! d ?.:it..tll them :into
the parking ]. onto
De CHATTERTOM : Ti...lat i -; : t bad I•:: noll
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Se RIPLEY : F'e (-) ple ar' e ceare + ul ataout pulling into t ? ic-ni parb:: irsg lr.: t
George VanSl yi; e made the MOTION t4-: e Pl anr: :i r-Ig Hoard approve a
43peci al 1=' ern; i t. to allow the Hilltop Me ;_tt:. IY ark: et to produce at t. t-le
on Peru 1=td , Town c.:: f Gr- s:itori , T :-; : I0? ap P.Ioe :_ ? 1. - '? � : , Sheldon ClarF;
second the motions
VOTE O ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED
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TOWN OF- GROT01\1 PLAI:. NI 1' NG BOARD MAY 1 h ., 1991
ELECTION OF OFFICERS
David Chatterton :iomi r-sat. ed George Totman for (kl'.; ai rm ;ar; of the
F' .lt_( +-: ning :C-coar- d fair the r: e ; •t:. 1. 2 rrton -t. 4"i < _, Merl Rankin <;> econd nomin :at: Joni .
Poll. __- t. c:: re closed ar. d George Totm n w ,cis elected Chairrs; an .
George Totman ask%ed the B (_) . rd if they wanted to elect �:(
Ui ce -- Chat . r or 1-lave George appoint. someone wl yen t'iC� i. s not ;a1.l e t c+ attend t: !"; e
meet i ngs . The Board responded they preferred George appoint a Vice -- Chair
to t•; ;::-indle t. 4-; e m: eaeti. r'ic:s =_s I .; e i unc:( 4: le -t o attend a <. > the need ar" i. sF= rw .,
MINUTES OF THE APR IL L 1991 MEETING
Monica Carey made the Motion the Planning Board alr; prove the
April. 1991 mi. nt_tt ( s :_. ro=.- pre < ent. e-. d „ David Chatter- ton second the mot. i o !i v the
minutes were approved as presented .
REVIEW OF ORDINANCE .
Section 312
G . TOTMAN : I.... rast: rc; ont. l-e the Board made a resol t_sti or•i (_: ciricern i rig Section
in reference •tc; ;. ric+j) er' at'il. elt_snrec., s. ._. t. (-.. r` (-_ (1 .vehicle n you asked r.ic: to wrz to
a l ette + to the Town Board abot_: t the _junk c:: av = . I tarote tt ; e 1 et_ te : bt .st
after wit. t"t _several. (r;r-__milers of t.: t-te: Board aft. erward <s , :L a ,. !•:: ed
Carol. t. (-+ 1--; old back •t_ t- e letter ., TI"; e E( c; ar" Ci members. , tal'"ti. cft was a qc.torctsiiN all.
: tu3r ESed 'to (is .t :I I 1:. 1"ie rc e-ol. t..tt. i or7 : and r..: l; anr..pe i. t: before 1_:4reserit:. i rir i. t to
the r( oar•• Ci ..
Discussion
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t; e .l. e •k. t: c_r• rcac4s " . . . al 1. yti, r• c:Is mt..tst. k:= e 1•:: e ;:, t. free c:; -f •t" wo r_yr silore
abandoned `Je1 f i C= I C•? s . .. " our i n + ent- i C"sr-i t^� a they c-. C:iul d tle:t ••.-� C� lip to two L'7Ut one
of t:. herr; had to and the other one c: os..tl (J be a wi rit. er rat or
t,t!ic:tte .v er. .1
c ca ••r er e cl w i t t-; t;Aj h Ei t. ''
proper vel"t :i. c l e cover
othie coal i to (r; al; e it so •t1-te people know . the z(-.)r•iJ ricer o .f: f i c er•• kmows ,
ever ;bald 1•:: nows what_ is and t.t; at is not al 'l. owed ot_t •t_ there
our i nt:. eri 't . wFi( they Could d !iavcz.: t t^j (::) vel'•; i (_ 1 e < and riot " j c.tn !•-: "
i e tai. th the: wheels off et. (-.
- we :arcs t al k i rig about a wit...ster• rat or e:: umr(; er Car (::) r ion / daught. er ' :.--
C:. ar who is crf f to cctl l egc. - if ;. ot..t have tt-:+ o one of them has to be covered
Lip
a (_: (:- ept:. (:bl e „ two or- more is not acceptable
all 4Yar' dS tt3t..tG.=.- t be t:: e1:; t free of- inoperriblf.: , Unregistered vet'iicl e =
hiowever one veh i. r._• 1. e may 4:ze allowed with -the proper vehicle cover.
..... YOU ar' e al. .l. owed one abandC + 1"ie (:i '.' e1ti :: l. e �. f t ; e' p 'k cc-�ve's�' c: d
- thought we tikiere g (-.; i :ig -to al :t ota Lip -to two carr:s the ordi nanc_: e
- coj -% " ,. ,. .. two or more C: ;Rr• r.• ]. °_• a jl..tS"4; 'y £ t !' d . "
you can ha -%1e one car set:. •t_ 1•'; ere Arid C} pE' 1'" at"il e ar; d a41. C7r'ie
j Uri1 '. C: ctr" ;:zS3 1. or"tg ct �'- 1. t is covered
'TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD MAY 1. 6 � 19QI
- was d or: ' t vi 'arit: i t.trik:: c.-ars.• all cwer- town bUt. we a1 wo vat.=tnt. the or" di s Eanc. e
to s e ;ac.# =. o tkiat i-vvybod •y who i' eaids it can under- stand i. t and so the zoning
c:) f f i cel wa !"ic::if= wei'" he luny be , can :`t. j Lt !: t. r- ead i. t. -the way hip= waants, t:. o mead i t
- people al'- e °szavi ng „ " fSiV son % dat.lghter.. is going to college , my husband
has 3 wail niter- rat: t:. h) at. :l s two c-: ar- s. i es that illegal ? " with i thi T resnol. t.tt i on
it waot_t :l d be
a winter 1'" i-. t: does- not fit: into thi <._> c: 4:tt. egor was ar• e tat V- i nc.1 abot-tt.
i r; opes'- aI.-t l e , t-tnreg i. e; t. er" ed veht i. c. l i� s~
a wai me ir. r' <_tt is. t-trirG-.gist: er— pd
- a pr- oblem bec: at..t `.-) e -t. hte minute yc) t-t v.-- ay " t..tnregistere? d " you ar" (? °x, ay1rig
.it does not have a r- egistration on it and c- c� irta :l1� mctlit4"i � ctf the ,jc' rt1 .
c:: ert tin of theme vehiic-: lea will not. I"; ave a r. egi. s=_.tr- at -.ion
- ther- e ar- e a l. ot of people that dr• that. -- tr- an - +er r" ogistrationc:. fr" ocn
winter r" at. s to car' t.-s
wahiEtt if was c: ot-tl. d c. l ar- i. f y . „ we are tr— yi ng to get r- id of the
we dons '' t want them 1. a •yi ng at ottnd the yard o e mi-0/ -, c• yott
cot-tl d lnak : e' F:m e :( Cil US i on and hi .- ve two umr- egi. 7:5teF-- e (:l `t i f one i c c)'•rered
- i. f that i a aaliat. we air e l ook� i. ng for reed to be (nor" e sped. f i c- t o swan ' t
read t_: omet. hi. rig into orr.:lir; < i ; ic: e not. intended t. o be ther- e
- addre , s twr-- categor- ies - aL-) andorieciii. ncspel� -- ale anc# teffs�� orarily
t_tnr• egi. C, ter- eci
- r (:-ri clertt: c criuty h :::t ; c-� ors ( rtli �tndc} rterJ % i 1-t (a !� cra < tl c= ve #7i cl e �: r o �: :!. rsi riq it i
covered with the pi� ok' eir vehicle cover-
- wahiat. :i. f (Tic-Ir- e than one f L-tcni .l y l i vese at the re =si dense =' wah ;=it do , (-) Lt (:io
tl"; en "I
t. empor" ar.. s. I y i-snregi sst. ered v e h i c1. e !-B
-- hiowa much t i fs;e is-:. it going to take the zoning officer to decide
wahet: hei .t. hie ve: k-ti c :l. e �, aroe t: einporari l v unr (x.Agi stered c:) r- not '? yot.l are going to
ha e -to stop at the houses,
- I" egi st. er ( �r_! wa :i: :l. l have plates on -them
if temporarily t-lnregisteired , you will have to check:: a you can ' t thrown
:_tn i s 1 j Unct. i (-)r; agt-a :i. ns4t the pei� son 14i. t. I'l 0 U -t c . I ieck; i ng othat r_;t.tt.
that would entail a lot of time on someone ' s paint
- k� owa ar• e yr-) t-t r. of ng •tca t. eI l c) tI•"rcnrwi <. e '-'
you could check:: t- 1-se si-:� tick. er in the ctindow of the vehsicle to _:. ee the
l aist". date -it vmm regi 4t: ear- d
- thi m c- an ' t be ' done •f: rctcn the road
- :i. t: ' S fr" r-) cr; 1- 10-ie rot-td the e: - es_. or- e is. so it i froom the road tkse .w orii ng
of f i c. ei'" has to deter- mine " is therf-�f' a viol ati on ? "
<-t code F-. rt orc: e (ner", t- of f i c er"- (-! . .- i ri ric_; t. h , c)t.sr..J !"i the cot..t ,-itr• ,, side , s c- e ...s
ttacl snare , the %{ nt.:do ' have l. i. cdtir-• e !_slates_- , a quefst. ion - two vehicle . . and twat,
not !:-tl t-it. ed y or; e of t: he c: ar i. r r-: c-) ve-r" ed 5 t. hat:: ' = finer
- a !_, etr; rlonec:i (riCran < :. it. 7. ti. jtts"ik :
- a :l. :l yar- dr> mucet be k: ep. t f r- ee of more -. heirs one i noper- r-Ibl e or
t..tnre.' git : ter- eci -vehi. cl. es however- . e
yc-) t.l can have two cal' <.. t.lnregi. ster- c-: c(J !-) t.tt one of them has to be cover- ^.
t.t k:a
- (::Ieci der ar- e we t. al. k-.: i ng about E t I I c) wa :i n (3 or-f e (fir t. wo c: ;-Rr ' ;
- Ins'" e =. rrs+ t. l. y havi r; g tr- ot.tbl e gF' t_ t i ng r" i d of abandoned car- _ evert :i. f w,uKnt
to
vie war•it to cleat.: r" i d of the i Ur; k:: c ;ir" <.St bL t don ' t want. to mal.ce i .t,. so
(:. ompl. i. sated that all the 4zosiing officer. is going to be doing is going
<_trot.lnd its"id r..: heck�: i ng cas-i waI-: c t: kier t. !i ( re i s > mc.:+ r" e thzart os-sf' c tr tk"ter e
Pa g e _.
'TOWN OF GROT (:IN PLANNING BOARD 1"1l`sY 169 1991
- wJa= a __. a 4slanni. ing board car7s # r_+ t_ tcS :G .l a �' c+ ning ciffic . er what 1 # e 51iOc.sl. d or
should d not do ; ot_tr" char (::te i s to dJ re (:- t or give assistance -to the town board
i, r# r.. crs r" c=_ cti r# g the c_trdi s iar# ce to if3ill : t ? i t. c- riGi er f c_�r the person in chat."... of
zorti. r.tg t:. r_# do ttte j of + :if he does nait do his jot-, tlnat is- not our problem
that is s the town board pr" (")bI em
:if have c:t nice home and want to have a cl a '. '.� i c car" and a
winter rat ar": d a car sitting there wi4ii l e child is away at college - the
planning board shioul dn ' t:: stop t:. hat.
- a son rertts ra room in the farr# ily home , •t. l•" e mother has a car that is
al_tandorted -•.• they will eventually put a motor in it and sell it but for- now i. t
is just setting there , -the son ht_t <..=.s the tame deal so there are two
usnregisteredvehicles there owned by two different people -- the ordinance
wot_tl. d refer to -the owner of the 1::# rof.:) erty , no more than two unregistered no
matter- how many f ami I i. ei.=. are living there
- why is Section 312 here :i. f it is covered :i. n another area in the
ctr- di nanr_. e "
referer-s (:- e to vehicles in Section 312 altoget: her.
- the Junk yard part of the ordinance says if yot..t have two or more
c: ctr =s YOU have tc# iapply for + t _js_trito yard ordinance or get rid of the more
than two cars
- take Sect i 0r# ::f . . 2 " a " R al l yards must be k: F pt. free of machinery
discarded appliances . n n " taken the reference to vehicles out of the =_.. ection
anc1 let:. -the j uril•:: y +"ts�- d ordinance nanc: e prevail
George Totman made t: 1-# e 1%1O 'T ION the Pl ar# r-sing Board present to
-the Town Board -t- 1-# e proposal to rewrite Section '31 '.2 of t': t'te Iotain of Grotort
1_.. E.; nd Use and Development Code to eliminate the reference to VEHICLES
because the Junk Yard Ordinance regulates vehicles , Section 312 will read
" all yards must be kept free of inoperable machinery , discarded appliances ,
furniture and all forms of rubbish and junk and disorderly or unsightly
piles of materials except those associated with wort.o in progress , David
Chatterton4
VOTE ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED
Frontage requirements and Flag lots
- Page 14 of ordi nanr_ e defines what frontage is
- ie lot Ina <� broker-s fr• ont: agr_lp. 1. 5 + # feetr .21 0 feet and wr-tr: ts -to put. I••tot_tse
C?#_'t 150 'feet , ia 'Y `.: I`fcS =.. the '.2r_# 0 ff?E:• t'.
ir- ewrite -the foot:. fr• orttCtge sra it says the building 1-tas to be on
the 2.C.) 0 feet and not off in the corner some place
•f I ag lot would be a contrad :i. c-ti on
flag Iot. 1wot_tld be C-An exception
a flag IC:# t irS a definite area of lot , says :need minimt_tm of '20 feet:.
of road f r" car, t age but must ha ✓ e at least an ter ( : of l nt
- change t:. t e ordinance so the zoning c 4 f i cer teas scarnet !"ti ncI +- { t c} c� on
when he says yes or no
i. f we 1"tad the f 1. ag lot enforced nowt as long ate: there is the acre ( # f
I and yot..t cart have I e"_ BS than 2r= C feat.: c_1f : dual road f s osnt :ige
- the dwel l i net wot..tl. d be w1"iere the acre :i. s
'f I ag lot cnf= et s H..) e mi ni me.trst area requi rement•_ �5 of t:. hc, torsi ng
or (_1i. nas ice
f :4. a I ottr: wot_tl. d eI i mi. nate I artd 1 oc toed pare- (, a I s off 1 and
Ir, ag -
TOWN (IF GPt7TON 1=' !__ F } >` N 1 !' G BOARD MAY 16 n 1991
no increasing the density , dwelling woc.tl d be where the acre area is
- the clwel .1. :i nci mc.tst be situated on -the 'Lot sri that one side c_. f
dwfl. l. :irig crit_t = t face a miriirsittm raf r'} �} feet: of road fs orit. agc
- s.,t. ruct:. t..tr- e mt..tst t) e visible frr_; m As -%/ piart of the 200 font frontace
- structt_tre mt,.ist have a 200 foc} t diameter- area around it
- flag lot: and road frontage are two different issues
- trying to clarify lost frontage wait: !•-, split frontage
- sk: r• uct. t..tre must be si tt_tateoi on thie :k of sr..} l. !-, at. one <. i r_ie raf t he
str- uc:. turc:r fact;_ ==. a criinimufr, of .;' r'} ri feet cif road fror•itage
and is v i se. :i I:} l e
c ai i � t wor•• k:: t , 1 1
- if not a flag lot. then 2 (W feet of consecutive road frontage for a
building lot.
- why not warite the ordi. r•iRr. ce to c.; a it has to be urir} feet of
consecutive road frontage for a legal lot t..tnles- =_. a a e
- e %Xample of spl. i. t:. 104t•. tja :2( 't feet of const= ct_tt:. i ••,ite frontage: talus 15C)
after split.
- I-ias to Have 20 ' feet of cor•isect..t •t:. i ve road frontage of i the 'Lot ! .ie i �•-
placing t:. iie struo_ tur• e
- r_} n <_ pl. it. 'lot he has; .;100 feet. of ccansect..ttive road frontage Iasi sk:. :k1 :k
put house anywhere on 1 art:. hc,� wants because he does have the 200 feet of
const .? ct_tti. ve roam frontage for the lot
- yrau o_ an never.. !_} eat the s :i tt..tati on of <a S•. ta l i t lot
- reclui. re � '? r"} i} feet. c:af corisect_tt. i. ve road frontage with the strLtc: t_ ure
facing the _' r::}r'} consecutive feet.
- t. !••ie s•t_ rc.tc.t. t_ar" rF: mt_tt. a•t. he ==-. i. tt_tated on the lot so ghat one side of the
strt_tc. t. t_trc: faces a minimum, of 21iC) feet of road frontage
- l ook:: i ng for the house to be =_, i tt_tatec! i n an area where you car•}
inscribe a 150 foot radius c. i. rc_ le
- we wtant for people who are buying Ic) tc= to build hot_tc:, es on it to have
at. 1 east a 00 feet of road frontage , unless it is a flag lot
- ot_tr intent i •t. is to ge •t. the !••iouse located i s i the 220 ► foot cos-} secut i e
road frontage area on a split lot
- regardlec. s of the shape of the lot , general ly, q -the -two things
looking fc_ir- are .200 feet cif road frontage and one acre of area
- struc:t. c.tre must be ft_t1 3. y vi sesi bl e from any part. of -the 200 foot.
frontage
- strt_tct. ure must be Situated on the :lot so that one side of the
structure +C-1cf.:.• s a minimum number c_< f 201'} feet of road frontage and tt-, e
<.:strt.act: t_trc � mt..ist be visible s from any partc} f Vie '2r'} ' -foot of road frontage
what if my lot has a lot_ of trees in front and 1 waant to build a
driveway tend Put rr, y t-, ot_tr.e way in bac 1•:: of the lot you are not going to be
e:,eeirig my hc}l.tse if it is back in -the waoods from that frontage
- could say except for natural.
i - somet. l ii ng -that rr} i ght. cover both the f l acl lot and the split - frontage
l of :!. s I •} a •vi ng the !iou =. e sit in a ci r- c.. l e with a .ir' 0 foot di. arriet:. er• a that waa %j
i rio matter" if a flag lot or a sk-il i •t:. -4 rontage lot: the hsot_t <Eie can only CIO car; ari
area that has the 2r') 0 fc, ot dirisrieter
i
tohe I _Frausc:= ham• to 1-ita •ve a 20r_} foot da. t_lfrieter -ir' cil..ind it - yr_•? t_t can pUt
the !-iot..tse bade away •from, the road bi..it not in the 150 foot frontage -area.
!::} :I. ;acir g of the <. > •t: rt_ts t.: c.tre hair tocriti (- t the side and back : lot
is" e. c:t t_t i r- e m, e r 1 t s
-- sect ions::, 114 „ r'} : a 1. 14 . C} 8 and .01, 1. 4 . 119 r..! efi. r•i :i. •t. ion of fs'- ontagP.
1I Sections 3 J • 3 __: 54 -;s r. c. ` zoned r � .s a
9 9 •J •� t r• iou _-, _ ns-, r.. ci ;-ar- ear.: ir-, vol •• c.. d will be chZinged
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TOWN OF GROTO !'••! PLANNING BOARD MAY 16 , 1 Q91.
- <. .t. ruct:. urc•_� must be = Jotucitec r-oori the :l of so that one side. of -the
str- e.cct:. e.cr- r_ •fac- es a mini mum number cif 21r:"i feet. of road frontage and the
st. ruct•. toot re- (Ti c..c �:. to l:, e v i si tool. e of r o m any part of the 200 •foal- of road frontage
the house sit in a circle with a 2Cir"i foot di acrieter.
- why Couldn ' t.. we have tabceri care of this problem before i f the idea
of Principal Frontaage had been brought e.ip ^
Princ: i. p <_t :l Front:. acl (-sa „ on lots with; two or more front tges the one
cons- i. dered the mai r�i access to the lot is the l� r- i. c-ir_ i pal. frontage
'the Struc •t ure placed within t i..ie 20i) foot diameter facing -t ie
pr- i. ncipa ]. frontage
wh att: ever- is declared the pri nr..: i. pi-il front age is where the st. ructc-ere
has t. c3 be placed
t:. hie 2r" 0 feet !•ias to be t_ hie principal frontage
- we ' re assuming the principal froritage is the 200 feet ,, it is riot
written in t. tie orcl i nance •t: tiat wa %
- the frontage shoe.cl d be Principal Frontage of �' � it"i -feet mi r i. mc.cm
Section 354a 1 Dimension Regulations
- c- <-aei (- l. eari -this up thiii.= a very simple word
- the Code Eri •forcement Officer must know what the definitions are
- definition n in Section 114 . 11 Principal. Frontage
- w. e don " t Have to draw a circle because if that is the principal
iacr- e5s t. l...ten he bias t:. ca build the !-iouse in that principal -frontage
11. 4 . 11. principal frontage -- on lots waith two or- more frontages the
once considered t. tie main c:tcc. e =. s to the lot is the pr• i. ric i pa :l frontage ; in
areas w} i. th Dimension Regulations. for low , medium and high density watier- e •ver
it says frontage we place in there the PRINCIPAL frontage must be 2200 feet
mi n i. mum
- who deter• miries •t: he principal frontage ?
suppose 80 )*%) foot of frontage where is the 200 foot. frontage ':'
-- a lot with tspl. it frontage to. he principal frontage , where he is going
to have access too hiis h► ous. e , must ti �tvc_ a sriirii. rifc.zcr� of s' c }c=i fr?e, t of froritage ;
tii s str• ucture must. be bui. :l t. on thie 200 fc-000t frontage arena and not where •t. he
lesc, than 2i"? Coo -foot frontage is , ie 1. s ' •feet
- i ri the Town of Groton you can sell two lots wi thou t. goi. nc.1 'to any
boarod for mippr' o -val ; if !-tie l_� utcz hi cK house i. n the !,rack: he can sell c+ f the
' land and make twat lots
1 - w1no i =• going to patrol ti .iese things ?
I principal frontage is good but rirrled the . "Y" foot diameter
' rf.-equi. r- ement to make cure doesn ' t. later create a smaller area / lot
- c.: a :l1 t: he ';,? 0 ') fr_000t. minimum froritage rege.tired the principal frocit. agc,
but also say the Structure has to be placed within a 2r10 foot diameter
c::: an ' of create rion - cori •f or- m :i ng lots and it i c, stated in the deed
- a lot that meets area r- equi. rement =. „ ie more than 2r"10 feet frontage
but:. l eSS' ttiari 4200 feet del_ith - can ' t draw a .20ke".) foot diameter circle on it.
George VanSlyke made the MOTION the Planning Board propose: to the Towan
1 rccooar• r..l an amendment in the Land Use and Development (":ode , to the pertinent
se cticiris ref err irig to " minimum frontage " to read " the principal frontage
1 mustt. be .1:.. 00 feet minimum wit. ta -the structure placed within a 200 foot
diameter area " David Chatterton second thie motion ,
VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED
F• �, ge -
TOWN OF Gl=UTON PLANINJ I NG Lst=1ARD MAY Y 1. 6 9 1991
FLAG LOTn a lot: that meets the minimc.tm area rt= cft..tirements of the Town
Zoning ordinance and is cctnr-: ec: ted t. o a public rand ri. ght. - o •ff - wa ', by a strip
of 1. arid ett I east ttraenty t '? ci ) feet wide and cont- zai. ni ng a private acc. e. sss.
drive
feet is not a ver"j wide strip
feet. - i f a t. awri does rir t. ha Jet a z oni ri1 � or- cii stance t: he State
requires at: Least 1: 5 feet access for public safety „ fire truc_ # . s4 police ,
etc: „ t. h; ey mw; i nta :i. n y (-) LA c..: �an bui. l d cin t:. he '1 ot. as long as you have 15 feet of
cess •t: o get: in E and Out. 'to it
- ^:. chi f eet. :i b i g enot-tghi f c:ir a dr i -•Jeway
- -the mi. nimumt frontage would be ? f:) feetup the widest hart of the lot
rriu =. t:. be. . „
- meets the minimum requirements, of -the ord :i rianc: e
- mak: e the statement the lot has to meet the reclt..tir- ementss of the
c_ardi. mince so later if y ot..t have to c: I...iange -the recic.t :i r- erner � t. <_ you Or-fly 1 sa Je tci
change them in one place
fT) ai nl. y to take care of e .e i st i. ng areac: in the Town where the only
acr- ess is a dri •%, eway to a large area of landlocked land
- this Would have been appl i c: abl e o-•Jer on t: he Cortl and - McLe �:tn Rd
where Maere Preston wanted to make ac_ (. ess to the l a- nd behind her- lot ; she
wot..t1. dn ' t need t: tic=. 'fl.tll2 .
'ftr> feet: now l:iut: only ' t;f feet. 43i. cte enough for a
d r- i ••J e to rn, y
Verl Rankin made the MOTION the !~• laroning Board propose to the Town hoard an
addition -to t. t•ie Land Use and De-.Jel opment Code of a Flag Lot " a lot that
fr set =. the minimum mum are ._1 re it..ti r ether+ t: s of the Town ani t� g ordi. siaric e and i s..
connect.: ed -to a public read ri. gh •t - cif -- t�aay by a s . tri. { s of l <:r-( nd at least. -twenty
( ? '_> } •feet t4s4i dc_ and containing a private ac: ces dr i -%VL.� q David Chattertan
second the mot i ors n
VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED
I PROPOSED _SURD I V I SION -_by __JOHN _PACHAI _ located south of _Cedar Lane and east of _
Mack St . Ta> _... Mag No . 26- 1 .- 17 . 20
l G . TOTMAN : To refresh %Yot..tr memory 1"Ir w Pachai owns some land in 'the gown
with hi. s c.-.,nl. y ac..: c ess:, thr- c_, ugh the village and the village streets ,
0bvi. at..tsl y he has no road frontage in the town . He is proposing a three - lot
s ubdi. ••J i <. si. on tt-tert•= o Ac cress to one lot can be t. hrc:3t_tgh C•lacl-:: St . and access to
I anc, t. { ier i. =_. through Cedar Lane . His preference would be to have a rural
s:st_tbcti. vi t_: i ari where he c: oc.tl c{ 'bt_ti l d a I iou <.-.e on it -for himself ,R create another
1 lot: that he could sell and the third lot would I::ie a wooded lot he r_ oul d
{ teed} . Upon John ' s r.-tp il. ication for a s:ubdivi =�° ion the zoning o4fficer
st..tggr--• <sted he c_ hec tt with t: h the vi. l l ge fir se. t because •the accessi s: i. t s the
vi 11. age and hie aI so <..:. ai d 171e Uaoc.tl d need i:a ••J ,ztr i. arice f r o m the '/ BIA because {.1e
ha ••Je any road frontage . We di sc: t_tssJed this at the l ast meet i ng A In
the meant. i fSie it tea ;_ts br oi..tght. t..tp at. -thie Village Planning Board meeting , The
f FtA Originally set t_tp a ri :zt: e for the FZc.tI_sl. i. c hear i tic but = f t: er the t? i l l age
rrtt=•:• et. :i. ng and t. al 1•:: i. r; r.1 with csic_�m [--� er !s of --. hie Town Pl arini. ng Bo...trd q the E{ A
decided to wait the 1) days before setting a hearing date . They feel if
t. tie Pl ann :i ng Board c. r:tn get the Flag Lot description to the .1_ oviri Board ar_ld
I the Torun Board } asses it at their Jt..tr, e sheeting then Mr . Pachai c_ at..il d build
On i t-ii. l c_rt. using the F 1. ag L_ ot:. ,corker:� t with i the stipulation he maintain the
I. 64%) foot width down through the property for the possibility of futt-tre
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PagGi g
TO1aIN OF GROTOI'%J PI__ ANNI I NG BOARD MAY 1. 6 9 1991
level opment . With t. ! •te f 1 <_sg lot possibility , doing ng i. t. that1way 'the Vi l. :lch ae
wo!_! l. dn ' t even be involved with the. process . fie has enough room with t she 60
f (nc) st. r" i p i. n the Vi 1. 1 age to pl..ct a road r' i gh; t.: clown thr- ough his land . I f we
had the flag l. ot in he coc.al. d put his ho !_a =_se in with just a permit .
J . PACHAI : I had a di sctwcssi on i with Ch"sc_lck: Ranl-: i n of tier the Village
Planning Board meeting and I also talked to another Board member , they
don ' t see where the Village aCtUal l y gets involved becrRUse Fill. I 8 m d o i ng
is putting a dr :i veway in and t:. he Village cr c:ioesn ' 't:. require any per' rni t. si for- a
dr t 'vmviay a
D . CHATTERTON : I .f you ' re thinking , John , down the road of putt i ng a
E .c_cbdi. '•. i. Es :i. on in thaere and selling (:..t •f f lots don ' t. YOU want:. to 1.:: :iow :.•ahet: he.•. r• or-
ncrt the Village is going to okay the street t hrouqh there ?
J . PACHAI e To be honest. I WOU l d is) e interested bUt: at the same time in
:look: i. rsg at. the . . . I woUl. dn ' t:: want to go for- a }::pro }::nosed subdi vi. si on for- the
hack: area and putting a street dotAtn throc_igh there at this: time . M
interes:. t. :is pr' iinarily . . .
D . CHATTERTONO. I ' (n not talking iaabout: at this -time . I ' m talk: inq about:
years f roln now when s YOU retire and are l oo ; :i. ng f: c.:) r . . .
G . TOTMAN < If my concept of what you have in mind is right and knovii nq
-. hat yr_iu have been wor' I-A ng with -the Village ors }:caper sitreets . . . -thi. s is
where John oE• nc. into the Village tindici_tting on the (nap ) , his flag lot
would come down here and hi s> hOUEs. r-_. wOUl d be here t i ndi. c: at :i ncj on the map ) ,
this is all wooded area over here and he would like -to keel_, it like that
for now i i ndi cat :i rig area on the map ) , kr_ioiwi ng full well that one of these
days he might{ t. craant to sell the rest of -that land and vsh; en he does there is
going to be a developer might come clown t. hr' Ot_cgh Here , the Village is
Ial. r' eady talking about a paper street coming down thr" oclgh Here and going to
, o !_! th C1a :s. r'a fit: . so 1. f 1`sf' } a !_ct:: s I ._. 1"aC) l_lse n n !_lr.. ha ra wa , raraci l y � his 1. :and out
and 1. eaves t h Eftt 6 foot tretr_. h c:q:� en doGan through, there eventUal l y he won ' t
s have -to do toy; m!_ ct ..i bec- ac.lsem E::, onaF- one will come along wh, o want:. s to develop
s that laraci , they cai1. 1. pu 't the rc, aci ini . this ;caper" street is in their master
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J . PACHAI : l: is } � 1sn`- E� c �. <"at: e ycnslr l� rinlµE? r' r"t , k7cct whti , t Iam c_lhi �� gain !:t. if I
i were to cic-) and develop now , if l: wanted to develop and put wl..iatever the
1 rna :c i m!_tm number of lots would be wi -thin that cleared area Of these two
f :i F} l r..ls , .1 still have to go through them . . .
} D . CHATTERTON : 1 +r_-caccse your first concern ashen ycac.c get arOccnd to t. hat point
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J . PACHAI : Right:. , tine wtay` I am look: irsg at t_ 1aiE wat: this point :irs time. I
1 dor•a ' t aaran: t to do it and I don ' t. forsseer wanting t. o do it -For quite a wh :i l e .
I real i Ze I have to look: into the + Ute_cre . TI•ic-� Village l l age ma -�{ , for all we
1•:: nc_nw , may annex and go with the right of eminent domain and take :i. t: . Wh, a4-
I !n trying to do in the placement of the hr a <_= e i e; al 1 c, w f os thtat.
posss:. i bi l. :i t y .
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TOWI'4 OF GROTC. N PLANNING BOAI M Iy1AY 16 � 1991
G . TOTMAN : Somebody ccar- rect me if I <zim wrong , c.n this t ypes of thing !. i. e
Cioe_!51'l ' t" have any access -to} any roads . Hey or il. y 1"iVe 't= l.; e 614'.) foot. access . I
see nothing w,+ ro-ong with what he wants to do out the re .. I have tried to come
with i ways vie can approve a s .ubd i v :i <.=si on the way it is . We can dry -that .
G . VanSLYKE : This l cst. here re i __. one yc-it.t are going to Bell , right `'
( r- eferring to the ri; ap )
J . PAGHAI : Right:. .
G . VanSLYKE : Does Mack Sta at:LAt: onto this pr" oper -:. y ? Is there a problems
between the end of MHc 4:: St . ? YOU could drive ti-: r- ougl"; this lot to flat k St .
Goo you really have a couple of options , don " t '%IOL1 ? He has- two options to
gent out of 1--iis propert-y15 one through Mack St . and the other through Cedar
1__ ane? . So he r" eaGcl l. '.✓ does Zia `✓ e acC.- C:' t'ss dc.-je =. n ' t he ?
G . TOTMAN = He dc._acmsn ' ot have any road -frontage in the Togsi .
J . PAGHAIe Both cif there area actually flag :tots: and :in actUalit. y po1.1
c- o !1l. d mak: e three flag lots .
G . VanSLYKE : The=:- main problem i s he doesn ' t:. have any Town frontage or"1 a
.flown road . 1..iowa coo yot.c handle something like that '?
G . TOTMANa T he= Village l l , age i s saying they don ' t care what he does with that
614") foot of Iand . t-leWa cu an drive cin it. , hey can black: tr_. 1:i it , they don ' -t care
as long art it is for his own pr" i vat (-� use and doesn ' t plan on p1..; tti ng 5")
1-so ►_s �_seS Out bac l•:: there . Our problem is he down ' have ve the Town frontage .
We t: avt:� okayed to send -to the Town Board approval for c.� Flag
L. ot. ,. If the Town Board would act Upon i t . . . i f they do a six month st. ud4y on
it this isn ' t going to help this situation at al. l . If we could get some
members of -this Board and go -to the Towr; Board meeting and art:: to have
action on this because we need this type of thing to happen . I lI CIO
waha to. ever I can J. n otal k: i ng i t Lot taut. I c.- a:: 1..; not attend Town Board meetings
because cr: y job tattes me that night of the mont. l"i . If we could have someone
from the !~' lanr": i :; c1 Soy:� rd t. t � ere c; r ; c4 plead waith tt ; ecr: that: tsit3 I" cwn r�; ceciS tt.; i !
i t wou .l d solve a lot c.� of problems .
In the meant. imev I will. run -this by the Town Attorney and
1 Gary Mood . If I can get thEzm to agree with this they cars work: on the Town
I Board aI so . If t:. tie Town Hoard would pass this , F' r'cr_: 1'; tti ' < proposal could be
caller_i a fl. r; g .lot: .
OTHER BUSINESS
Gec:ir r7e Totmar i I"ianded ot:1t:. to the Board membe_�rr. :information from the
Zoning BoE,rd of Appeals of things that are bothering theBoa1' ci concerning
t. l ; e or- cl :i nc_ince and r-at.lg :ic} est on < . on possible solutions . The Pl. anni rich Board
Had already E, ddr" essed some of those things at tonights meeting .
Verl Rankin made the rnot: i car ,i the May 1991 meeting be
ad j our- r-: ed , George VanSl ykke second the motion and the meeting wa <o adjourned ,.
The next regular meeting c:if the Town of Grot. on Pl ans-ii ng
c '? ;_tt E3cy _ 1a . m .IcarC will be held TI"iiir � cafv It "ie _7 v .