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JOINT PLAN` N l h`• G I�+ OAI D MEETING WIT H '.I Ll.._ F'GE 01= C:, f: OTC]l�a F ' i_.. i� i ! 1�1 :� C�{� BOARD
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TOWN PLANNING BOARD VILLAGE PLANNING i lG BOARD
* George cr . rnaan , .; h <aa. r- metre (' ar• c:) l. yn O ' Dri ert
i(rcer- i 1 1" wi gg Tame =_. Allen Sr .
-X- V err l P a ri l•:: i n 11 i--irk: P a cl t_t e t t: e
•«• !'sic_ nic � Carey Glenn Morey
David C% 1...Pattertcn
* George ',1ranSl '•; Ice
*Sheldon Cl �:tr I::
r .« pr- ese. ent.
George Totman , Chia :i rman „ opened the joint "F' own ;and Villa ('-'le
FIl. anni. ng Board rrieet. :i ng . Mi nt_ttes> from the December 1 '-90 siieet i ng viere not
r- ead -v for ali63rovtal. ..
G . TOTMANu. Sometime 1 a !:-* t:. M) ept:. ember Ji ni al:: proached ciie :_ibot_tt ha -v i ng a
i oi r_tt:. meet i nc} and between then <_ind riow c::snc or ti-ie other of t..tce c:l i dr"t ' t ciet
wi t:. ht each other . Fir-tally we tzal k: ed t_ he last of 11%lov e:lrrtber and we thot_tgi�; •t i t.
would be a good idea to hi �: -ve �? jctaiyt me C } t. i. r � g for #: hic_: 1" ctaJsi to filicl ot..tt what
-the Village has. been doing and vice. versa . l t: hiiI"iI : the Vil1 �:tgel h ... been
doirig srior- e t. hi ::an the Town haw been doing . Sr_i we picked tonight for .tl; t•;
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far :as-, the Town is conc.. ernet:l right at this part :i. ct..tl ;.vtr
mc:n (,e nt we don ' t haver anyti .ti rig going or' . We have f :i n i m.hed r e- ampi. rig our-
i : IrSiter right rtw < E Jk i sclewiole onin "i orcin - _ r : tf a:
coi:) . , for- e -•.fc•_ r- yi:sc::{c:i ,y tJlic--_isi :it co :rtc: s back . We =_> i:tent the last colUple (-if years
worLdLric1 c:tl; :it .
TI•ie tJ :i l :i t :tc-ie , f ctr •thee: benefit of -the T' c:) vjr..t rriembers , i•iaes
r- e -vamping all t_ lte: ir code !:: . They l-iz, ve gr.tt them all into a new code book .
Jim , 1 7 1 1. tt.tr- n the ther mere: t :i. ng over tc; yot_t . 1 #- hii. rtI< vJt wC) U '.1. d
1. i k: e to k pow , t. i fe Vi. 1. 1 age- tic-ts been do sJ. ng a 1. ctt. of woe " k. wi. t 1-i Torre Nei der k- orn
;arid doing a lot. cif t_tl ; da #:•. i. rsg yoc.tr• c.- oal areheris� i ve i� l. an . Thee 'Town board
trtecr, i:; en~ ss tRitat area iiF, t e aJc_ s " f r; t� t i. r: ,rcrlvec# rJl : ere t�Je� c# # ci i #; before .. C #: hiiri4% it.
would be i nt_ er• e <.: t:. i I: c__l to go c-i er vlhc-=tt you hi :�•tve !_yc•= en doing in t. h ,at and the
hir.. o j e� r_ t. t: !•iat rrti. ght: R:) t•_: corrii. r ig t .t i. ri t. h`s �c. 'Ji. l 1. aga= that trti c7i i t. l , re tar; • oc: i. a 'ta:' d
w :i t. h-t thie Town
J . ALLEN : l: •t:. iz, not firiis; tied e -t. , we5 < . t. i1. 1 (: {_t : e four chore meetings on
i t . We are• ge• t: t i. nq nevJ mapc> o •f tl err Vi. 1 1 age . We are 1 ook i ng at hiav :i. ng a
big map on display with An overlay when- e Frank: Satterl. ;.e r- - n draw in the
sssevier lines and vi ater lines . Thi (--2 l ast di ssc: t_tes- i on vie had was-_> of make nq
l:) ai::, er otreete. t<Jith cevverythi. ng leading to l'lacle St .
G . TOTMAN : I=' i:pser
G . MOREY : l gi..te <. . = vie s l-iot_tic+ c= tart at t. i..ie i_, eginnir; g . A couples of
<::tgo , for mot. i -v t #: i of: on what. the Planning Board w <'ar: going to do for the
vi 1 1 age , we wanted to knotet whi :at 0t_tr ft_t 'tt_tre WizS ai-iead of t_ts~ We I:: riew Srrti ti e
Coroorata UJi_is rica longer 1-ie. r- e and vie !-- t"tr- vi v ec.:i without. :it and wheat we wanted to
do tntas f i nd out: wh Et we wanted to coo . Then we st- ar. .t. ed on the map tc:a find
• TOWN AI'%.11) VILLAGE OF GROT C: N JOINT }-' }.._ r';1\11\1 11`%IG BOr;FRD h1E ET 11`•JG J A N U if) RY 1 i N 1991.
c-, t_tt •jc.t <m: t. wa1-iat. we liar_'I T1-ien t. } ie h os-, irig :! aw Came t_tFiand we have been
re -•. i r=wli rig all the studies of the %li l 1 c- ge, the high de:_ ns:. i tyq the low derisi ty
. t _ Iook: i rig 't (_i =wee waher ' ea thie ;:, retie wu_5r' e w1li ( : r' t1' r (•= OPLtlatioric: area arid :_( c: tuzil .l :,�
to profnot. e land level c_i}_+ ,3ic-.mt i ndt_ts::tr" i al d vrl C::}-iment:. and things-:. I i l:: e that
It 2. ..:, CC:ifn2. r"; c:} -k: ci ri tie ::ac1 after twa (:i ye .:tr"' _.. of whiG; t. we I; a -•rc= L"? ec= ti doiricl .. UJe are
..) t .t 1• t. at that poi nt: tit_tt: not yet .
C . O ' BRIEN : We did (:Io a ci:t..trvey to take into c: c:inei der- at. i cari w h <_, t. the
b:ic c:ibil. e- i n the '•Ji l :I. ac} ei wanted . Ttirt 't waa �: tine of k. hr�� Ht:. CA t :i s Ig b + oi ntr: that vae
did „ We: Est_tfnrr( :nr- i. zed tI ..so !.=_• cl t'.- o get. wa feiel fc-.ii'- what -th; e people in the Vil. Iage
did warr 't. rat far- : ir: c: ofn (nerc :ia *1 gr- owrthn draw r.- �peec.Iy of Ea growth they vararit:. eda
i. f t: he;v wanted i :; du ( t.: r'- i. at or all dwc-. l l. :irige Or whate '•rel -the type of
gr- owath . It waE•t =_. 1:irot.tgh: t up at one of the iC-( t_tsiviec= (. :iation ' v meetirichq
vie l: aCi the mayor 1. C:+ ot-: (weir c. o in e of t. hie cc-sfninent �wq c�ci :ite of the tit_t 'ai nec.—c." Tn
wah (•:-�r_ e t. }'-ier' e was..., is t1f:' gi:-i •t i e (:: c':inment. we i rivi ted -the } it.Sf. :: {"ie? ` i <-"; (:fir:: to c: C] fne i n ;arid
the C:onf-rteint: ! : ' " a a their - s f and from this , t. h; ic5 i r_
t_ } i t_: 't wa c. r" e:.' n, M Ci (�i 2. Y i t': h �: �. { • L e. }-i ra 1. �,� .. _..
of -the C.', ui c:k-�? I :i. neT .- we Lmed to afna -: e cm..tr stcat (=' trientc. *1 l i (:i (_tl'" master plan
for the c_ii r" ecti or-i the ? i. l I age i !:-, going to take? as=_. far t:ts grciwth i c;
c: onc: erned
r• . .. . . z r : : . r - c:: - -
�, ca fr� c:r c:i � : '"r Ca t. h'i s r; ( l w� wl e h a .r (:_ !�, e:: c::. r'; ri i _. (:: t_: .�. �:> r r; g :�i .... f �t r ::t (�> g cart: t. i ri g
t. og (•.. then for _i (+ i nt:: fneeis i ng (::• „ is:. i. f t:. tie.' Vi. l 1 age- does . grown '•✓ ot..tr •f ee1. i. rig on
(; :i t. hier ar; riesc i ng I rtr; c1 or 15.etting t_tb:i vtater and Cievlc � r di <_:. -t. r :i c 't = i n tl-ie Vi l 1 -i ge
tl'i + at waoul. d ev tend out. to the Tovin .. Threrse are c5ome of the areas of concern !.-
-that t ha '• ! e come U p in Cit_tr fnc-:acrt i ng be:? cat_tC.ie there i i--. n ' t: that much level obi :_tbl e
land in i the Vi 1 l age a t: tier'" (e' i c• more prime area 2. n the outlying areae: c:if -t1"ie
v :i l l age t': hItat-. if t. t-rr-.= Tc..ivin wl :_tr:: to grow „ tl .ii waoL.tl CI hia -:se -tc:s be resol -ved orie
trac-a 'y or i-an � the? r" _._ iKrlt-ie� .: i�i t. 2. L:+ i"i (:l {"' G:: e ' 't 'k. 2. Y'; C� S.; }::3 wl :.t t:: e_i" isi'i Ct r (;' w! E? i'.. Ct 3. !: t: l'- 1C- t:: S .
G . TOTMANa A r_} oC:tC1 e cafnb::+ le of 't !-,. at wr.-.e +..=.: the Corr; eI it_( = farm pro _jec: t. , v&-sich
has, died f or riowl .
J . ALLENe R i grit:. now vie I"iavc:-.� civil y orie:6? s .. bdi v :i. <.=: i c:iri was are 901 rig to h: -we
< tnc:1 -t:. hat:. :i =_: -thre two l o 't , , t_t }_i or'i the e_Ir; d r..i •f Spring ,, n yot_t go up Spring St. .
and }'iciok ra 1. e f 't ( intc, Sykes there i. s the c ,ne 3. Cst 'thir_- r e wait: hi so fn .t ( }i f r (7 :itacfe
: tnd 'three it dre.:, p (_: dowr; hill and then i. f you make a right I sand tt_; rn there is
another one .. They :.are going to divide tho we three l otL into eL;ual
prof:? ert. :i. of< and pt..t •t 171ouse car-i thi (:Nn .. Froin vjhwa: t:. I trrir_! e:� :- s- tand it :i <.ut_tfiI::ioc, e
t_ o .. ,. . I. meted today wtrear e t•:. Pie C:) c: per- =_:• are arid ttie ,, ewai. d t1'icy wae it- en ' t:. v- ezad -v
Cee O ' BRIEN : T h i e. J. e kie :i ng }M+ e.tt:. t..t �i I::i '; 't 11e "!' ofrib , }-: i vie_-• County Better Hot_tei rfg .
J . ALLENe T }"i ;nt. 2. = t. hi (T one t:. t : t r: cJ a �: far a �. t_tldi ' ri ei r_i {� e now wle-' ' e clot a
bt..tt when; ycn.t i cic:ik: at the Village YOU 1 c: 0t.: <_tt. different pl itc:: ec:
there ., there 'i. s a little bit of land ',,you wouldn ' t thi rite 't1'iere:- waot..tl. d be
:1 r..: _ > :i. d o 't:. 14-; e V i l l �:t g e .
G . TOTMANe l: t. hti rib:: :if pE-- opl e want. to think at--lead and plan wah :i Ch; i s wlhat
t: he =..> e t:. wlc:i groctf:+ a: are'' f or .+ even t h ci u gh J. 4t :L C• a dead 2. c ssue? , e: oinetl"; : ng good -to
l ocik: at is. the C Or'- r'ieI J. C.t (:.; f grin . Half of i. t waa =_a in the Vi. l l :_tcle and half tett a «:•
wi 1" I ..f i rr t. !'ic= "'own. 1 f a grot_tb:i (:if J...mm (:ib:il. a rtr"' c= l oob:: i rig for En. CMr; ethi ng -to pl ari or'i
arid riot: g (-: t'_ their" fingers. L-utr" r'it right awlayn trae v. til. l hEftwe the plan = for
tl ..Iat. . Yot_t Could look: at thia 't:. as a hypo -theti. cal thing and say , " if this
h r:t111:3ened t'_ wao yearn agL:+ aEs on gi n a I I y I:iI a r ied that ccit_: t d have been a vi abI e
I:ir- o J et_ t within ei x fnont. t'ic-� and we :woUl d hi:.ive been working together al fnC: r-: t:
. age, ._. 2
"T' OWhI AND 'VILLAGE". OF GROTON JO I hll- PLANNING BOARD MEETING JANUARY 175 1991
con5t.: arstly -to worle out pv+ obl. efr, G ., w6ftter- di <str• ic_ tesq sewer- diotr- icts q power
<.a +i (I all suor• k. !5 of •t:. !- i r-, g =e " Some (:: 1s :s. ncT 1 i. 1 :: F= -that i f ; cat_t 1 r_acal :: ett ahead (::if t :'s. rsic
you wot_t :l. d tsave a idea watsc- r; somebody r- r:_ al. 1. ;r a 1:� 1r. o .j ec: t l i kee
ti ..lat . ••rt•iat. ' s w1•iy I srientic_ari U—ir-it .
J . ALLEN : "f' Ise fr) c:ci ri problem wa :i t. la that ,; r r. a i ec- t:. wake if he was arr,Cancay� masa
f corn NewJer- s:wey wmi t:. h money clown there why did 1-ie I Fa -ve to :1 ook: for rrioriev up
here too ?
G . TOTMAN . 1-Ie I:ac:aught: r_xt: her- pr- operty up heed •t:. 00 .
J . ALLEN : F1e bot_tgt•at•. tt•aat f rir• sr, in i 1_. (::) c._ ee and l :i • red ther- e f c:ar- some time
t. o (::) . 'The way I t..inder- stand it a -t:. the errd there w <z.css it money problem . I
don ' t know you hear- different. rt..tff,ors .. When was took the rsur. vey was also
i s•-, C: l t..tded the Tomtr• ari au = and ever• { t. t-ii ng else . One of -the ClUest i on <s was
wal-iat the people would like to see q l i k: (_.o gr- ncer_ y stores , etc . Novi wai. th this.
e
t:. !•si s-sc_! dowr•itown n :i t. is rt..tmor• ed the V i c gory is going in there .
Ones question , I attended ones of t_ hei Tc� wan meetings and the ie- c"
was. ssaome•t:. t-i :i r, Cl <b (-. t_t •t:. ac- r_asrila < , riy A- 1..t ' it. were .1 caok: i rag l- ca r el. oC: ;_xt.: e Can ! =' er t t . i 1 1. ea
Rd . has anything corf, es of that. '::
G . TOTMAN : We tsaven ' t. hear- d : ntr thi r; r_f fur- t:. t-, er- on that .
M . CAREY : Tl--, ere h :a !-=� r-i ' t been any more discussion ors that that l: have
1-i e a r• d .
J . ALLEhlo rl per ; t. tier (�5 i :s the IF' I „ ar (:3 they <. : t- ayi. rig or going '? They
moved t_ I .ie office -to War• r- en Rd . rie :Fcr• the
C . O ' BRIEN : One of the pr- c-A.31 efsar, that. Village tsas: is what is they Town
-feelings i '.a as far, as ani...jzxation goes ., ar- e tl••aey for-- it or-- against: : t :' I '' roe
and c:= or-is .
G . TOTMAN : TI-, at. all depends . l: think rs ! :: :i t. would de , es-, d what piece e'sf
rropert v is. being talked t_ bot_t •t:. q wahat i going in ., wha -t. would be -the benefit
to the ms_crii ci 1_aal. i t: y .. I don ' t.: tl ; i. nk: there i, s a yes:. or- no . arirwer- to the
C . O ' BRIEN : �::io k. ! ir_ Town e lioi rs t. of ri c= w t:. he �, waoul. ci ri (:at. lase 1 C?cice� d i. n t:. c:a <.i
(:! e 'finito ' ye (::1it- r-i ar '
G . TOTMAN : Ilef i. ni tel. y no •t ..
v . F.ANk; IN : "rt.aat: waot..tl. d be the Town Board ' s decision .
G . TOTMAN : Bt_tt:. it would he a plan with Suggestions back <'::ind
C . O ' BRIEN < I c_st_te = w we were i. r•iter- (:stc_1d i r•i •lase general consensus .
G . TQTMAN : Eor (: ;: arira :f. ( ttse f.::orriel i t..t <.1 l , r o j ect. cJ i dn ' t get. l ocal:: ed cKt: •t t•iat.
much i n t. hr-_•5 'Town l:aecat_t = e i t wr=:cs- dropped so quick .
C . O ' BRIEN : We we it- e j uSt I oc< 1:: i ng for a general consencus so when was ar- e:�
doing cat..tr masssst. ear-- I::al anr-ii ng :i n det:. er- mi rii ng which cl :i r ( :ac.. ti c:an was wac:at_cl C! :!. i l :: f-� tca
' gage "- ._
TOWN AIMS? l LI... AGE OF GRO -I- ON JOINT PLAID N 11'dG �? Ci �; �: i? !�1EET l 1'1r, JANUARY 1 : n 1991
see the Vi l l age go i n we rieed CiC? ffte gene It- a I c: C?. .^, m. P. riE: tu 3 f r- om the Tl?itari aahetl eIt—
t: hiey wac:) t..t1 d k:, c::r willing to l i c: t: e ;"i or- a1::) r:x3l t_ttel .P s'ir..; . Em..tt:: *.Long t:K ?::s t i ..i e ; :tr- c
willing to l i st es-i ..
G . TOTMAN : .1 dc; r.i ' t think. anyl.lc) dy ttac_) u1. c! agr- ee ther- e would be. an al ; Ol t_tte .
' i 1o ' „ .1 think a lot of people a - e going -to look- very cl osel •y at. :it to See
wh <_st t1'ie pros and cons ar- e . Say i f yot..t 1-1a 've a l age coccipany c o m i ng i. nt:. o
town or- a large development and the decision of whether- they come or- not is
lias' E;) d on r_ :_sri they anrie :c or c: an ' t they ? ar' d it g(Dt. down to the -to otaI t. ax1-Yase
and wel -fare of the c: omrrst_ nit: •Y wot_tld depend on it , l think there would be
1 o 't'. of c:if':? r'• :L ot..t ?w ricagotJ t::t •t i on go r'ic) c::)r'i ••
J . ALLEN .n Gr• ciwthr , hrou !* es i::, t;_ ing bt_tilt , look ot..tt c n Old Stage ( d . on
t , l er::sSc:; ri 1_) r' c) l:) c-. r' t: y for_ some r r: ason or' other that i , going on big .
G . TOTMAN : They <_sr" e reclt_tl ar st: i c k: tzt .ti 1 t hc:sries. arid i F that cat= ckie =, on t .ty
1:. 1 ic: r c ,� ot_t mi. gk'st. er; t: 1-Ic_+ rse ;, ect {.+ l e ?e• a { i riq , " asF ha '•re !:� ui 1. t 't. h at. mt_tc !"i and ar- e
near- the Village like sae rrsi. ght be looking at Vi l l =-�.kcle }mates•- , sewer" l :i ghtsq
t41..iat. e 'v' er-
G . VanSLYKEe 1 I"i [::s 't. :i t. i is-: c:3t_tcist. i. c7r'i :f. da <_iri 'tr:.: r..! 't o : i ?_sl :: , cir c= Y; {:;t .t r ea :l 1 y :I. r_; c ! : :i r"rc
att.. l"iE ; po > :i. l-+ i. 1 i t-. 'y J. f yc::; t_t c ; ;; 'ter� ded tkie V :i. l 1 age 1. i mi 't <.:Y wot_t :l d yot"t extend
t !•io ?_:. e tsc-• It" v3. ecirS -to the people .
J . ALLEN : We hay e -tal ked ., #tout -too hat ..
G . VanSLYKE : Masi cal :t y that .•aoul d I've the k: i nd cif •t. hri rig IDeot:, l e aaoul. d !:: e
1. ook: i ng •For• „ T. don ' t 1 ; now :i. f that w <:; s i. n the survey t_ htat yot..t got.: tiack , but
Rahat l am thinking is :if t:: kie -y were thinking abOUt E• >ctaanding . . . ther- e it. a
:l i mli. ter.:1 s it..trril:) er c::) F I:, ca <. > t:> :s !::) a. l. :c t. a G} c: tra :t. 't:. hi r'i the Vi l '!. age at t i ..le mcm. ent ?.: o if -thse
groote t:. !•'•t i. s goi. ncl t.o ha1- or for
tkie Village of t=� r ot. c_tri i t. i. s gc ? i. rira to c ; c:�
ot_tt.. t:> i. de i rit. o the -f Cwin r' at: l er• than -tr- y to put more on a ?.> t:. r• eet cor" rier- kind
of thing . You really have t_ o thin }:: about , i. f yot..t ar- e going to draw people
:i. ri you hk-A e 'to 'th) :i nk: cit ; ot_tt what c <_srr we pr- o '•: i de these people to come here
cirici 1. i. ve ? Can t=ae pr' o vi de t_ kiecr, with cheapelectricity ? Can aaercavi c:ie the
good water and 't hse f i. r- e pr" c+ tect. i on and -the .l. i k: e ?
J . ALLEN : Some of these guys on conTtr- action ar- e talking abcm..tt ar- ot..tnci
t.. he f i. r" t:: t. dac:aek: of AI::mt-i 1 they ar- e going to start di gg :i. rig for- a gas .1 i. r-, e .
1,61arici It- i ric) s , t1•ie Roi ian Vi 11. ac; e and i—mr- o tncl t: hier - e 1'i .j '•. e mostly I::, een paid for' the
se-- i gI ..rt. c:) f G a •y „ T1.•iey arc.? !;Ht"} plow 't':. c.) !::Vt: ar_ t t. l _r t t_t !::: ::rncl r- un -thee gas .line dodari
Old 1") tage Rd to the Y by Roman Village and one line is. coming back Up aS
'F ::ar H Ckiip {Tian - ?'Mn in front:. c:) f hi ?=• place , and continue on down � k: ij � t , 1n (� <-tn !�
hopping over- theh) i. gl-twa 'y as they go along „ They s. cay i t. i s def i 11 t:: e acid i 't:
is goirici in .
M . CAREY : Wher- e <:ar- e 'tl. te -1, St. ar' t•. i ng tkia 't line ?
J . ALLEN :
G . VanSLYKEe is 'k: l'"r t 'l': t:. lic_ or•ie 't: l..iey 't: r• •y to rt_tri to the pIt- i <_ c) r; ' ''
�t r' t•�- cl c_) 1. s") c; to
J . ALLEN : YE:s- , all the Gaa 'y -to the f� r" isr_) ri .
'1"C#WN AI4D VILLAGE OF C: F' O T' 0 !',! %J U 1 !'•.4 "I" t' t._ AY•! N 1 I'•1G BOARD MEETING J i=NUAt Y 1 e „ 1. 991.
11 . CAREY : 1 1 . l10UghIt. t.. l-iey gtws ••./ e LIP c--= i: th•iat idea .
V . RANKIN : I t. l ; i. nb : One of the things to :look at.: i G:s the growt4-i c::; f thie
t:. a ; bais=:e . As I t..inders-fF.. arid i. t:: , thel" c; wari c: O :llect:. e t:. ._c >; es frr_4rti 11 : ;lill �r� c} c but
t:. hea Vi l l acye doeE-. n ' t col l ect tavc c:> from thy_ Tc:; wan . E' en then i •f the Vi l 1 t-Age
c� c; ul { r..let. cnc; re t. :a :; base by arinex; st:. :iona t4ir 1" r. ,war7 a. still {7c; i. ncl to <.l �} t t � ; c_ =.
•f ro (ii it . The Village boards grid +Che .towan boards are e:il 1. i rstereet. ed i n
growths that will benefit all of s- c.) t:. h-se Tolvin <S-11OU1. d be some i riter e teed
i. ri t:: 1"ice poeeiI.; i .I. i •t. ies of anne -keatioli .
J . ALLEN : {=1 '.Lot of t:. l-ie things ••, ot..{ I-ie <_Kr Eiu c:; {-{ r-s {_i t:. owar: i !.. q , awl iat. s( .Ar.. .•: i c : Icw
do war.-:? get". + or Paying Town •ti:Ft `. ; f.nc.:
G . TOTMAN : 'Thiat is not Uni quie. -to th :i rs t. Owri , it is •th: - t wary all over the
State c_) f New Yor !•:: .
J . ALLEN : Well , i ri the Village there is the cjueG. ti on, " what. s=.ervi cec:
CIO we get from •t !-te Vi l 1 G.tge =" '
G . TOTMAN : 1f the village di. dr-Ct c: or-striL.' Ute to the town ta .; esi , wa !-io
wcat"tI (Jl:; l. ow yr.:) UI r• OiRCI water-UI YOUwEv-st.: E; r.:l •t: O ciao 'to COrt. l �ss-sd c; r l: thac �, '
J . ALLEN : The State does . We pay State and County taxes for that .
G . TOTMAN : l: f you are going to Mc: L- ew.van you are going on i a Town road .
M . PAQUETTE : The '•.' i 1 1 age Has to :l oc) k: at the pc-;wer !: uppl i es and -th"s :i ngs
1 i 1-: e •t I..$ xt and wae r•- e going with any new power . That ' s a ret-a l r.. Oncer :
on 1--sow wae ' r- e going to �; er.. ve the outside cc, mmuni ty .
J . ALLEN : Tlifryl"i t: 4iC rc _ :4 s the sewage t: r' eritr{ie5ri 't. plant . Theyc: �iy vie are.
oril y opercAirg at 56% s per cerit , kwi : ! ttic gr' cawa 't1'"s ' '
G . TOTMAN . According to Frank it wai. .11 . At one of those gather- ings when
was were t. al. k: ing about:. tl-ie Cornelius farrci „ they dialn ' t fc.: e :l there wa :a <. i any;
probI err, i. f that development had -tal.:: en hold .
J . ALLENo "I" I...se clew- t: ion i. s , ' ° }..low mt.AC: l-. cAEtpaC: ity sari it take '" ' he:c , usc=
:i f was s- t: art. e >; Pat .id :i r; g the way <._. c::; me people think: we are c_loi ng to , wi. 11 we
add on to that one or bUi l d one in the town ' '
G . TOTMANn. From {rs;� c:� >; pe: r :i. caric { ; in wac:; rl :: i. ric� on ra sewaer i ; rOject:. irs the "fc ; tari
of L.. aris :i. rig , i. f ycat_t hay. e orie rzow operat:. i rig the S-ta •tc � l ; rFrt:. ty rm..ic- h demariris
that you increase what: you haves and yot..t don ' t. bt_tild {another one .. I ' m not
ie: utre J. f i. t i s real evarit -to wak-iat: yc_ a are s . : tyi rig , bt..tt. th7e Town of Ithaca „ -the
Toxin of Doi , den and the Vi. l l ages of Cayuga Heights- and Lansing are all
c-)PerE; t: i rig ctf f the orie in the Ci t % -ind t. hte '1" owan of It. hiac: t and they asl ]. need
cjreates�- c: apac- i. tieE- ar-id tl• ie;: were thinking of b? ..ti. lding another plant in the
L.. ansi r.ig ar ec 44:s arld U. ie S-tate hi => al ctio <.::> t completely pUt their thumbs dowari on
i. t. . l h7cx -;r want cc.nric.:� ctcm line !-5 r- t_tnni. rig all. -thee waay to -_ lyre City so they on y
1-i .--vve one Plant: r:; t` c; dt..tc. i r1Cj One c_tt..tt:: l et . It:. is c= os •1. l y , very costly . TI-i e %Y ar e
t:. a, lk: irig al_; OUt $ 1. r'a „ CKY D"D for• jt..tst- connect. or Iines from the Town o •f !._ ansirig
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•T' Ot�1N t^t !'`! I? VILLAGE OFF GF,.' O `" C) i'`d JOINT !' ''L_ AN1'`1 11%%JG BOARD #'• E != '1" T_ NG J A!'`i #_it• RY 179 1 Q91.
G . VanSLYKEu. .1. w (-+t..ticl lil.-%- e to c__ o bacb--: to on {point {-sere when YOU slid the
r.:: i_tr' vey v what. i r') your ur' final pl ar•i did 'r C_ u ' i4�' e dowr•'t t !to r oad as far" i=lam
i ridt_tC i_ r- i es have yc:,t .t looked at i tidt_t == ts i c� Y � t..t rsi c3 #--it t�aartt i:: c� cc+ mr lit- rc' `•'•
#••• a -svr-..a you l r_) cs6:: ed at those ! :a rids of possibilities or are we still l ool•:: i ng at
C'yr" C:, t (:i {t i''tc: c3 !:Jedl"' C)C=+rf't (; rJfYlRil.irii 't: '`,' :
J . ALLENO. That is a s:• or• e spot with me . Everybody refers to t ; roton a. =
<:a be (Jr• or..) rri commt..tni •ty .
G . VanSLYKEe ltlel 1 i. t Pr• etty mt..tc: !-i i. s i. sn ' t. it ?
J . ALLEPl : Ths (�w ar•• ( r exp ... nding the elerrien -tary scl...tool . . .
V . RANKIN : Years ago the long range plan t-aas all industry would Lie to
tlse east.-. and t !-; e reG, i. dert •t: i <.=il to 1. 1"ie west .
J . ALLENO. I think what We wOUl. d be rrtore i nter- ei ted in would be small
el e (: tr- Or•ii c firms (-.-) r• small i ndt_tS 'tr• y9 i..; othi ng big that requires two -- or-
three --- st.-. ctry hi. gl i bt_ti I di rig l� OUI d l i. ke t o con trc: ]. ctrs sirs ( csr tasc� f 1 c} c� r" c_> .
Then it c. orrier> u {:) wi t h 4 " vjhat: are we going -tO do with the al 1. d school ? " We
l ; zive haci {_) ecwh , :i e ]. Oc+ l:: at i •t. f c)r- vGar i. r_; t_t =_> hsOt_tsi. rsg ps c� 3 et. ts: . I don ' t know how
rnt_ic: h mor-iev i"; i:ss; been sspe ' n •t:•. Os•-t st_tr• ve. y f or :i t bt_t •t ri (:) tl ..i :L rig ! ..jars• been dr, ne .
G . TOT1"IAN : I t !-iir-, L: one of the problerris there i. s the New York State
t) u :i :l. di ng codere . 'The:�: rE.1 are s_u:) rrie cC) ntrrs :i. t:. tt� c:� <. d� c) rlci. r-t ( i car; i t :� rOt_trid tl-ie �3tat: c= .
If the r_ r_) des are ca followed 'tO the ' 1 ' like =_,c, mt building i. rs <_=. {ar: c:_ tors dc:) ., the
c-: Os:st. is { roh ; ilti. t. iv (� tO r et t_ti. 1c3 (_) :l. d L) tti l. dir ; c] S . If the cr_s <ut of r es: odat i. orss
:issi crtcire. •t. lfan 5".) per cent Of what the building is worth , trier t1tey have to
go •t. h-tr• c.:) t_tgh -the whole bt_ti l d :i rig grid ta1:: e all -the wiring ot_tt � rt -_ i r.iSt_tl at'. e i t
Ur) to the preserst code and a l. ot of devel. o{:) erm can ' t:: affor- d to do :it ., That.
i s= tx big l) rr")bl erii and Cher e ar e : c�t_ti 'tEr a fr.�w mee� t :i r'; g => around t. hie State and in
the meetings for i:af .h. c) rciyt) 1. ci housing where tt: r: ;✓ are trying to get the State
- : c
E.. c_, I c:, c) ses'•'i the rt_tl r=� r> Ori <-
r- c:�� :-tc) vr:st. a. r..) r-i ._. c..) t_ t•ie ccac:lE:. (:) f f :i c: i �s ]. _, would be .ricart• �
comfor'- table wos 1•cing with it- . Some code c+ fficials are mu (-.: h tighter on it
-ti-ti:at:. ot.: l ..ic � r <. : rare: .. E( c;- cz; t..t �:ie of t. tier cctclec: i t <-:. t. c) �+ s r (wriu `✓ Mit. i c) rs c, r.j old
I_) Lot 1. 1 di rigs . Thsat ' s w hat st. r.+ {:) s anythi ng from bei rig dr_irsr-_ on that school .
C . O ' BRIEN : 1 c elaborate more on your c1t_te, �sti. (art 9 there z is rue ✓ tMra7. c:} rc) t_tL) s_i
wor• l•:: i. rig wi t: l' i ]: I? A looking int. (:) br :i. rsging development -to Gr- ot: ors Ti'sey !' Iavt::?
gone through (:1t..tite a few resot_trces tO tr y t. c) find =_e•t .t ital I l) ieces Of
Drop::+ erty u• t_ti 't. at) l. e bt..tseir•) esses , to bring ir•.j . Thew are st. i. :l :L on 't. l"i (� IOc: a1.
bash:. wC) r'" I-: ing or) it . T1-; ey are nc+ i•_ <_=> pendi. ng thsousand =_i of doIIars bu #:
1::) r (_, j ects I i ke Olt hat. a r e n ' t. tl-tat. . The Bt..tr; i nec:ss r-'lr> sc-1c_: i. at_ i on n I havF•s worked
with them to C_ Orrtie UP with another- leaflet to be passed Out . They are doing
t h :i s, c1 S, like t: 1 .j i. +T; :in ; i small �a ; , y <._s t o bring <:rri cK l 1 rr r :i r i ci t_t e:; t:: r :i e < i r.j . T t h..j i r••i l:-
'fJh - t. `,/ r.) t.t utr- e going to S.=..• ee i cottage i ndu '�:: 'tri e '." i n ""' h Ouse ' 3er '`.� .l r_: E'_' ' " i' yl) e of
1" ! ; e <.s i u, re seiomc; of the things 'the st..trve '`, s pointed out. thatthattI-st=
J. ssclt t 'tr i c .s.: .
l) eop l e:r i ri the trii l :L <:age d i r_! ri ' •t: have objections to . ! olost (.-if them , after they
got over the shoc le (:) f Smith CoronER being gone , wer•• er :t t: i nt er• ess:.ted in i seei rig
ano •t. h.ier bi g fact. or• y t% � ) !''. a th'ie •; vjP. re more i ntere �sted i n s : mal 1 er ser `✓ i ce 't'.: 'jpp-
industries (:or:•ti ng to Groton . Gip- + t (:) rl i y, mc; r C st-tl. tl? d f CJr" t #'"ii '_•
Wh•; at. we ' nc :) ed •t:. o dt:) iss:i keep Ot_tr c:. r.:) rrtrrit..trs :ir..: al:. ic:) rt <.:ss ol:) eanv rri ; al:: e it
c:t C} C: od p1. acp to i i '✓ e i n the `verVi ces vie ha '`✓ e1i 'the C:U1. tL., ral. aspects we have_'
de `✓ e l (:: plo( (::1 "y qood •t•. r - ans:w {:) Or 'tati On .. Chse !:" e t y p e sl (:] f• tl"i :i r'igsq thesi- e :=-tr c.. 'tt'ie 'ty {:) ed;
F'' ag - f�
T0WI`l A16%JD V I L... LAGE OF GROTO1\i JOINT PLAI'L N 1 NG EICIARID MEETING J AID IJARY 17 1991
of hi ngs• that Gr- oton wosa i d be 1�Yc:st. e;sai. ted to devel. op . T' !-ia •t is why vie hiave
wc_-ir- 6:: ed wi. t:. h To III 'tr"' ian to I.-%- eep i t open i n •the f UtU. e becatss (E rYt_tbI i c
tr- Rj...sspor- t at- ic+ n i s goi rig 1- o become a m )Ust some day .
l: f •yot..t 1. c:; cYt:: ar' ot_U-; d you wi1I =_ee gt..tite a fes"j smaI1 indt_ c.tr• :io =_>
alr• ead%;/ started „ like th; r_-. Roses and h= ibbonc.= shop , the meat shop , two or-
! : r c: ; c:ry r.: r ; r r.:lEsal. er <.._.> . !' k : �;Yy < r e r ; c:, t. rri <_i c_� r- l , t..t � � r, e _; : F . - !� t .tt:. - k : e ar- e L t_t . r-; EnW e
ttfat bring money and pE:foplszs into, the cOrr: rr: Unity .. I t:. t. i. nk: by jtoct
Groton , yot_s won ' t. <_ c:ac t t_tr; y bi q j tamr.; s but. :1: th; :i nt:: you <ar- e seeing
Smaller- gai n �c: r. o; i. t i s i. frir; cortant_ t ; 1': eef:; being pr c; gr c ] s i ve and
r..: c�fnrf; t_tni. cat:�. i. r�ig . Thi :i5 :is ?:: 1 : e t^ yl � e cif c1r c.:, wth; yrat_t c: < � s"i c .: r; � � ct t: o see :tr; t1 : e
tJi. l I acle and the Townshii rY a1. s. o ..
J . ALLEN : Ever �F t. :i. frie tae? Iia ✓ e meet:. i s ; cJ ! t: hita f i rs_. t. tkri II ?- hrc:ct:. c- ocr; f= tt }:; i s
-t-. he mi -t.. I-; Cc; r- ona 1 c:; t:. . They are s i 1 :I. t:. i-, <.wt:: i rrc;J . . . they are r ; r_; t. k, ei r : c_s r:, t_sshic_ c1
to complete that. testing and if tl ie= y are not:. 1_, US: 1-11ed they ar- e nett o; r_; i ng to
t::; t_ss h; thefr; sel. ves .
G . TOTMAN : What kind of cc;mmt_ttii ct , t: i r..; c does=, the Vi l l i.Ltge have wi. t1•i
Empir- e Soi 1 5 ?
J . ALLEN : 1` Ic: ; t_ very gor_, d rpight nc:Yw because they are in the pr• oces , s of
(1106•✓ i. ng . They s� z.: y t:. hat the only th; i ng -that is g (-.) i nq to be left in Groton
when tl-iey get done is the building where t.: he %, repa. i. Ir. the r- igs ..
G . TOTMANe The r• ear�� or•; I ask :i. s:� I h; eacr d r- tacrror <u that t:. k ; ey were gm rig to
J . ALLEN : They c.:Ywl•I •t: he I:YUi l d :i ng where they r• t pai. r -the r- igs , tl .; e of f i c: e
L:Yt_t :i l di rig i. s still owned by t.. l-ie bank acid tl•-rey c; �as� t_ I ; e tYui :!. di r ; ge on t� c � r- ana
Ave . The dr- i l l ersa. and everybody el sr • says they wi 1. l be clone except.: for the
M . CAREY : W1 .; at-. i s:s tl-; e r- ezir:; on t.. h.; ey give fc7r moving c.x.tt. ?
J . ALLENe They <..5ai. d it was t? s= c: au vrY they couldn't. e .. r•: <_lr.; d f
M . CAREY : Ar- en ' pt:. they braced all over t: he nor -Lf-; eas= t ?
J . ALLEN : They 1-rave an office in New Jersey , one in Orchr-Ard Par.. k: one
r; ear• Albany . I do: n ' t t:: noda i. f they still l sa ✓ e one in ; or_: hr <ry =_> t ter- . We talked
about helping them find a place in Grotcsn . Three or four- people were
i nvol vecl 9 Dent. "!' hr_; m = c , rr y my <. e :L f �.:; nd other- s- s ; at down and talked about. it but
t. I..iey wol_tl of s ; e ✓ er c.10fr; e oUt and tell Us e .t act l N, what they needed . We
Suggested maybe we coUl d help t. hem find some property they COLA l d bUi. l d on
:in c:; r- der- to l : eE::: !: it. 14-ier-• e . All Of a sUdden t?:: ar- 1 Stamm says forget abot..tt
Emr; i r rr Soils staying in Gr- ot:. on .
M . PAQUETTE : 1: would like to add to the Village di recti or; » ac; ai n
1 . 17c-� r e i. <. no <.Mi M za1::; 1. er c:; rYcrty in t-. ! ie} V :i 1 l rtge t.: ! ; at: i ndt .ss t: r y ccat .tl d cocr, e i n anc!
make .., significant differ- once , so where c:ic� crys t. h: at leave as":1 With the
abs. erice (.-if Gmi t. l-; Cor- ona •th-ie te.; t•_ ure of tl-; e Vi. l 1 aige l-ra �_s c: l-ii"Iiged dramatic 7l i Y
=.. i. ;Ec.= e T. ' ✓ c been here . If yoU life that we r; E-:s d t: o continue the 110LIEing
gr• owt. h .. I think , as Car (-; lyr: fr; ent :ior; ed , the tyr.; r-_'ls c:; f tViings. we asee Iooki. ng
for is the small cottage i. sidt_ts t.: ri. es.. which can ft..tricti. on here . The power
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91.
:ssi t �laat: i cari we (:# c) rl ' t. waatr; 't'. to at �tr"l j a (:+ k: i. rig up the power conc•�.Ir(lpti on h-) ecw:ttss�>(•=
then we will hrztve to start tu.tyi. ng it and #.:iayi ng a )fDr (=• (rsi I..Irrs for that ,. I
t. i'; i nk: we ;_tre l (:) oI•ci. ng ;:at being LAP r E? M i Pr_ C: C) MM Lot r'l :i 'ky . We can do it and l:
think vasty are in a posi -tion where with Ithac_ aq Syrac1-1 = eq Auburn and Cortland
a ll- e •t_ (::) make 't Joii s a ver" y r-i :t. ce c: omml-Il-1i t 'j .
G . TOTMAN : I think it depends too if you are planning for not jt_1sot
tc) ill or" r' 0W I-) 1_I '!:. 1. 15 yer::trs (:# (: van 'the road . If you :tool•: at wahsat i happening
in Dryden and coming out f r- om IthOAca this way , Groton being between
Cortland and It:. hr_ar-: ._t arid the land vr::al t- Ee in this are eo muchi l es: =_• than
t. l-it;: ;:ar' e wh'len yo1.1 get cl ( �= e to It !'ira . wh � e .iri = on over there , thE: _. -s
Towri of I"loravi a and the northern patr' t. of Lans::> i. ng is building , with; those
thing; t-sal.) (_) en :itlg `,� o :_► fxrnt) abl. y vaocllc# t'lavc a good chance of per #= e= tuz+ t' inc; #_ !-se
i:) edr- oo (li cc) mrrsl..tl"li. t- ', cc: nc: ep 't.: Mar le warm-. 't: al l:: i rig abot_t 't_ . If %YOU bear that in mind
{arid plan -For- that y (�) u can er) cot-tragr: people to settle in Groton .. You Have
-to h-ir� ve (lli >: 't. l..lre of c-i •f f or di--it= l. e hi (::) t_tei. ng and mi, c:# cl l Er - c l lsJG . 1-10 (Tie ss . But. i of you
don t Plan ahead of time jot just t: l-lcxppen =• arid it hi-) ppene the wrong way . I
t:. h :i n I•:: t.. h r_t 't•. is vi i-'i a '(•:. v a e a r_ ( a a 1. I a b o 1"1 t. 1'i c:r" e .
J . ALLENO. Ye:, e.t cari ' 't depend upon bUi. lding 5 '0 1-iol.t <.-=•e =_• and have the: tax
k) as r.o: go I.t #::) -the s ,•'::tlllr_'•' a `::i J. f "IOU had f oe.lr or •f i. ve s (t'ia l l i t"idl..la.:tr i e �. .
G . TOTMANn. Yol_t neec# bot. i'•i ..
J . ALLENO. .1f we cc:) ul d grEt. t: Rae Smi th t: r-) rona I of sstrai gh: tened csut yot_t
(_: c) tl :i c# r) roh:) aI ) l. ',; #:� t_I 't ;.t 1. i 'l:. t. :t e cc) mp .1. e ( :i n t:. 1-i (= r' e with t_ hi 1. k.- r_, t' ' 1. e(nrt :t :t i r, c# tI �> t. t'" i. e =:
in therm They s '. F=cell t (�; h) c^ c# s" :ar� girig t: 4lEir ' Rieel. r�. on it ., tRti �at #. (rsy c� p �. rilot+ .
G . TOTMAN : Wh-ieri ycn.l i.=.tre dealing with -the DEC and ari t_Inl; nowri (:; e.la1. i 't: y J. II
'the grot.ind yotoot won ' t c} et:. ariyl:) ody t: o Er: e �"s cor-i �� i. der' bUyi r'ig thatproper" ty
I .lnta. I t #ice ,., c; et. a c: l. earl hill . I }: nova wahlat yc)tt are uay rlg atoc# ;lral .l Carl c.} e'r
`. (_. ry frustrated (::) ri i
J . ALLEN .m What cc:tn the Town do to help
G . TOTMAN : C) n thiat part:. iCUl i-Ar property , I don ' t.: anybody can do anythirig
r' i. ght:. now . I 't: hiiri6:: 't':. h (Fooi mistake was made •Lvio or three administrations bratck.-
t:) efor- c ex er started tearing -thiat t:) c.tildirig dowel when they were in -the
talking stages . Today , from what I 1 : r; ow ;about that piece of property you
can ssi t. here arlc# talk about that for -the ne .•; t:: f i `.' a= or- ten year- 5 . . . i f: you
ar- e plr:anr-iing can -the fl.ature YOU I-ia"VE• to plan on eo (liethiing voa.l can do
so (n r-_'•) 't 1-ii rig w :i. th ar'id i. of docim:5n ' t:. :t 00k I :i b: e Yot-t can c! o an ythi ng vii t1-i -: hat:.
1_) r (::spr' rt: y . Until. Somebody giv (- = the propE:• r- ty a clean bill of he_- althiq noi3 (::)dy
with 't. oday ' F.ii el'"i `d :{. r t.7rffriEtrlt. ;iitl rt..11 es : ernd pr" ol:al emcs waF= are having all ovet the
cot..lntry, is going to tcfuch it . If they would , yoe.l would see Ent 1. of of
clevel osper <.es l (-.) ok i ng at: i. t:. q and they are not ,
J . ALLEN .0 Other than th ;_tt vie don ' t !-lave a whiol. e lot going on .
G . VanSLYKE : I w (:.m.11. d l i. !ee -to ask ar'lot. he;? ;'' c} t_lest. i on . l� e men 't_ ]. or
G . t:. t'ie Ol d
Stage aarei. t as:: a poc• <.sable extpains . on area for' -the Village. of Groton . In writ
direct #. on „ asr, ,voc.l looked at i t ., have YOU `. i el-lal i ect Groton growing ? Sh'lot.. I d
:it be going :i. n t. hiat di rrrr..: ti. orl " S1'710U1. d it be goi. l"lr_1 east t (::) w ar' ds Coro t:. I arid '"'
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"t- OI, i,%i Af\JI) ' 1 I I.... l.._ AGE O GRC) 'T• t1l`•I ,:IC] I: Cad "!" 1=' t_. A !'%IN T !\ICa NC1ARI? !•1l = Cl' .T. NG JA!' ltJAf Y 7. r „ 1991
3lir.:at tl c1 i. t. be going iCi tst_tc: 6t t yt�a �= r cis Ur { d � ri ' 4-! � �� do , ctu q Gcc• <:t rjr-? .cr d i i
direction Grot_ or-t will take ?
J . ALLEN : :Ct ' s. hiarcl t. o <4sT aal ; ic: I"r direction it i =: gcair; g . Yr� tt (:: ain ' t. gn
t. r_at-� ar" de I;tr ydenn Yot..t !"cave 1= ree :si .' 1. e and t.: h"tc_� � are t:st_ti I di ng I- ot_t �.si nc� prc:a i e ( t
there . T !-iey wanted to put 50 more tr• a :iI ere in -the trailer" park off C. aiyc.tga
St .
G . TOTMAN : .1 t:. l"rot-tght t !fat. went t hrrat_tc.1h; '"' Di. dn ' t tI••; G-tt. p4a. s
G . MOREY : It w :::is passed wi th"t conditions and they 1•-tr4.---ty n ' t (net t1"1e
c: onditi. c) ns. yet .
J . ALLENa Tt7ey can ' •t mLx•?et •tl-ie conclit: ions c) •f * he pr" e !.sent:. park: .
are suppose -to fix the rr..aadc: and they h-r <::( -•✓ (•_ n ' •t. done th: t7t. Ycat:. .
G . TOTMAN < Are the ; letting them place new mailers. i..tp there r"tow '_,
J . ALLENO. Yes , they rc-spl ac.: i ng sscame o+ the single -- wide trz-=ti T e, rCw
with which c (_( •t s clown on lot: acce = ss . 1`•low 4t:. rai. l er par Ecss are
going to have to go to i, att..tral. gars instead of propane . wh"tat fire they going
to do LIP heir e ? TI-rutt is; going to be the law , no propane tanks , then what ':?
G . TOTMAN : There i. 5 r-tatctr <al gale Jn the Vi. I l age „ it :ji. l l be a .lot
easier to putt gai::i in t. r ; <s, t. park: than the oner in McLes::tn because you have ti...le
C:i (._ (... (' 1 C::• t Y: t_ o gas , 11c- Lean di do ' t .
J . ALLEN : *They also wi--mt:. ed :a right --o4f: - w ...iy r.. ominr_1 in from tto-ie cemetery
(::) ff Clark St . to thetrailerparlor: , ta (_tt Butr_ t�r Neville WOUI. dn ' t rive them it .
Scar you have them all. over for expansion . You can SiRt (_tr.• ate a Village with
k: rai. I er" s> troc) .
G . TOTMANa I t: hti nb: it. i r- <_t good :idea for the two Boards to clot •t. oget:. her
air•id know eac:. hs other , Even t:. hot_( (-) l...t the C ornel. i c.ts project is a dead i sst..te
one of these days there t-ai. 11 be !_, r- vjectS thsat come l.tp that we will. Have to
work: t. oc) ether- on .
T. cot..Il dr'; ° •t• help tat_tt think: , wh•ien 1: t. al. !:red to %Jim abot_tt having
4.- his meeting tonight , of the Town of t._ ai. nesi. r� (� anti i { ; e� Vi. l. l. ager csf L. anssirrg wlir1
have be(en n at odds over the year
'- 1 rrc: e tl te ' �� 1 11. a (:� C �:iE? par <at. ed f r ( JRr ttrE' 1 ca61S r
in 1974 , nemt month thew are having th•reir" first_ joint rrjeetinc) . It is the
f i. r• c; t •t4-. i fire t. h•ie two Bc_) ardsr !' zwe e% ier• cCafnmutn i crated or e `✓ en 1---: new who was ort
t: h•r (_a otl... era. boards . l" I� ca ;� fi. ; ial. l. y r- e� al. i. .;_ crd the :r {tIt_tci of getting together and
lenc.-sw what eatc: l i ot:. h (-.-� r•• is doing .
J . ALLEN : TI••i ("" r•; e ( t ineet. ing we will I"rave a -t. •th"te Village , we could
r::t :l. ter rt :::tl:. e� ot .u- nreet. i. rage . f7 ( ( r ne :: t Vi. 1. I acle F' T anni ric;_t Board frieeti ["Of t.•ae t•Ji 1 I b
meeting with Tcsm Ni. eder" Ieorri .
G . TOTMANa On the 44 •tl-t of F• ebr uiitr" y the ? own Bca <ard , Town Pl anni. ng Board
the •1" own '7oni ng F3card of Appeals jointly with the Village Board , t1"; e
Village f"' l ann :i r"sg 13c Lard , the Vi f I ac; e 701•-1 i ng Board cif Appeals ;and any otl"rer
interested persons will be meeting for" a {-.are �c: enta; t. i ors b % -the Environmental
Vlani--iggemen t Control .
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TOWN AND VILLAGE". O1= GROTC:? N JO :[ N •l" PLANN I1'•! G BOAF E Ey1El= T 1 NG 0 AN !lAF, Y 1. 07 ., 1. 991
J . ALLEN .0 Sc-) Febrt..lar"y will be OUt:. becaU. e vie will be meeting over- here
a nd our- f :i. r• c: -t meet. i nq in we will !::► (_� meet i nq with h Tom Ni ecIev- 1•- er' n .
After vie get done wit1i tl; a 't we S1-� ot .tl. d be {arett= �,� rsi:_tc. h cattcllit= Uri .
G . TOTMAN : It: 4. ouldr'i ' •t bt:� ac:lvantagec:7s_ts-5 to s►iee 't 'too of 'ten � sriayt)e. two 'to
t I-i r_ e•7 e 't: i fTi f•"•? s t y e in r- . M " -y t ) esometime in the spring w e c. c.iU .l. d meet:. w :t t. 1'l � Ot_t
w1-ien yot_t don ' t. I'lave a full. agenda .
Thi <.% wc, r' 1 : ed good for' t_ts this month because tac:� c.li dn ' 'l: have:
atl ;' tf'li. s'ig c. r_irrie t_t {a . We are going 'tci tit= tf�csrb:: iny on Otas junk: vehicle ordinzknce
So :i. t will I.ie cl ar- i f i ed what tl Bey can have and can ' t: have .
I waE:� telling -the Boar- c.+ members befor- e we started tonight
what. -t'. he U i l l age 1'lc:'td done wi tl..l 't: i'lei r' ►ie4J code . Its evPen !Bi ve bUt it War a
trefriendol..ts idea .
Ar- e ther- e any other cor -scc-.:- r- ris ?
* ace: a*:• The .joint: meeting of the •1- c. wn of Groton Pl anni. ng Boar- d and
the ,J :i. l l aye of Groton Pl. ar'ini rig Board was act j ol_tr riec#
DISCUSSION ON REVISIONS I S I ONS TO TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE
NANCE
G . TOTMAN : We di scl_lr'> sed at ot_tr' last meeting , and I hopie we will be
{::ire {::ias'" ec# at C) Ur f= ebrt_letr' y meeting to all have . some i:: i r-id of are idea in OUr'
he ar.# � . of liot^� := sc� t^dCili 't. to G.IiC) geS't:. tO t: 4-ic_ TownI�OMarc# to clirinc7e the = Orii. ncl
or- di nar-sce and have i t:. i r.i lal ack and white how we ar' e going to addr' e m.s. the
pr- cai::slem Of debr- is or' define what is jt_trik: in people ' s vw:, ►'- ds so tone can loot::
at the c? rrtn < rc < „ ttc c c _1c c7fcrctW� rtic - t (-..: an 1 � 7b% at or- dinance , o if , ou awe
changing code es-ti 4 c:,s'" l: cryrftelit: c+ .f. .f i cer.. =.e rie .: 't year q SO that the or" di n :iriC:: e ; sad <:v
-the same all the time . TI-iat is. we 't:. t_il i:: ed about.-. at: the December-
asc: etiriy . W r_! or't ' •t. I-, ave to qet. :i. t•. :-t1. 1. cic::irir'• bUt. We <S: hOUI. c_t <.wtar 't wort:: i. nq (::Ir'i
i -t beI- iRLASF2 th; ? t-,tay i t". ]. s b (�:si n a 7 nter" pr- eted nows i t i s ,:.a ver" 'y clra 'y ar" l•? a
whe •t:. l''ier- we c: aI I i 't csi"ie c= ar Or t:. wo car" s. or" tr: 1-iat:. e `Je ►'- .
S . CLARK : Wheat can tr, e do with someone like our- nei glnbor- with n i ►'ica
r.. arS , as; ythlisig ':'
G . TOTMANe 4' c:� ! . h1r_s i ! i11. ec{ a1. 9 there i <.:w riO c� t_te !�st. iri ► i about= ttfat: .
S . CLARK : Butt ther- e is nothing t: hc-, 't.: we can do '?
G . TOTMAN .0 We c-ar'i notify the Code. Enforcement Officer . We as i=t Boar- d
c.: an ' 't:: dr..a anything . I dcari ' t know if he got a letter- i. n the f :i. rst. le' Oc.tnd Or-
not: bt..tt I ' m sure he mt_t !=_. 't have gotten one . If vot..t had one car you got a
let -ter..
> c: i if you have nine car- s you ssius 't:. have gotten i.:ir'ie ,. Tt: i, t: was rrsy ti :i y
C. c:ifriplaint (' hl at: guy I'laS !-sad -those c . inr" S there for years . I counted about
10 3 C. i:jl"' ..i t. her" F ? once al::it ut 't:. thr- ee : ei= ar' li : agou The weeds ar- e growing t_lp all
ar' ot.: nd 't: l-iC-_sm .. !°9 'y contc:u ►'it ]. Drl Vit"A. :: f I was -the TOwri Boar- d cttsc { I L^thaw° 1n
c: liiir ' c1e o4: tl..ie Code Erlf Or. c-: ement. o �f: .f i c.: er- .0 would d = tzo l ook: 5 " tfii s CIUy teas ni ne
lar =• Tt:st.. t the , t1-iE: �:. e t.. uys have tr-_� rl c. i:ir !w t .tp t: c_ r eN go after- those gt.tyCs anc:!
thler•i go i:af ter - t I...te os•'ici:C: with 'two c.is"' 'l':. I'lree =: . " Est_t 'F: t: +'ley drive fay and =_sec-_
a1. J. -these ce:sr' s and -t.: hley 1-tave one or- two., cars and they get a Letter-- . It: i
{ t..t !?c• 't:. ►t C7 't: j l .t !Si 't 1 c ki.'. „
j Our.. i ob :i. !::: -to plan „ the l•• owrl Boar- (::! will not rriak: e i_tn 'y c: hancle �:
n the Or- di narlcr: Unless ttic-_'y Planning Boas'- d makes 'the SiUggEvSt i on 'to the Town
iI
is o a r- d . "f' !i ,_ri:: i. s 't:. !i c- way a y :i 't. :i s 6 a r" i. 't. t.. e rl , t I"i �, t i s :. t:. L i e 1::; c:► l J. e: 'y . l t. i ! s"t c:, 1:. j t t t
I
l" OUdr.l ACID V :4: t .. l_.. At::; f:: OF GR: OI' 0N JOINT C ' t... i iNN l: C1G BOARD l411= l :: l" Ii%lG JANLlA4 ; Y 17 , Q9 ].
the 'Tofwrs of Grotonu a lot: of towns are setup that. w �: y . That: is the
}-it_tl po e Eand the furict_ ion r_if this. I.( oard . I thinl•:: it: is an area th tt:. hia ! s
been brought talc gq we have i:zt'_ c ib l erns with i t A cSnd we should be addressing i t:: .
11Y t. k'70U (_fk"1t :i ce , otar JUril.-%- ' ar' d Ordinance' !' ' s'lyS if YOU i ..Ia F? m (:71" e
than twJcl cars you have t. o ri—ip ply for a Junkyard License . I thinle one of the
t:. h :i ng !:a we !_sk"'sot_t1 d be :4. c::; okJ. nc4 at :i sev (Jo .r cn.t wr_'tt..tt -to s ily " (o4 : c1y you ( ar! have
't. a•J(-.1 C: ar- s a. nd d (.:� f i ne i n 't. here wJhat we i_:tre cal. I i nu ' t_tn I•�: ' 1. ar. ? A wd 3. t•it r"U r c"1• t
... _. _._
tiiat iS ft..t .l *I. y Licensed i. n t !-ie wJinter t: irrse chot_tld riot _ be c- al. led a _junC:: r_ at'-
:i. n the !:stammer- t i. mt= � l: f / ot_t f o :t :l owJ wJkla 't: ?. c' cn SC iyi rtc} . !-k"sewre ire { ; eot_; l. e wskici
dr., that .. D e f i ne wJhat. y0U ar` e going to dill. a ' classic ' car . S (orrsea guy hias
a Cc� r.. and he is restoring i t g Iie has it w!. etti. lig out b (.: side his gar` Ege
beC �:ttase he doe sri ' i. k-Ir_1 've 't he (::: api�.tc :i 't. y i ri <. :i de the gar" agE? .
G . VanSLYKE : Somebody INho 4 iaS a c- l. i3 <.:w =. i c car i Fn ' t going rig to leave it
ou •t. cioor ! ar) ywJi ty !I yot_t {Drat:. :i t i nsi. de
G . TOTMANR that: i. f "*/ C:at_t don ' t:. have an i. nsi. d ( a ' . We have to def :i. rie that ,
:i n all sincerity , ne :: t `feat". .•! ou rn :i gl"it I"ii=t `l ('.? Et new sari i n (-.) n t. t`it"_(
erifor` c: c-` mcnnt and the Bcjard sayfs -to him , " wse � walit. to get the Tcawn cleaned
up Fie rei—..ids this t:. k..ti ng and he mi ghst i. rtt: er•• C:; ret:. Co (rit::) l et:. r-. l y different. wJh"si.tt_
we have been talking abot..tt today bec 3l..t !:e it i. s!.� not C l ear` . f3ta vie have to
r.:: c} rne Uf.-) w :i t: ki suggestions on how we wt:tnt to make -this c- l. Barer .
There_ 1. ! o1`ie (= 1 :? U Ef 1ri (o �t1" or` c111"ii9ltC- eq t� ect. ] on �? � �' where It
sa%v/ s!s y (ot_t can ' t i..ii::iv (--"r anything iri 'y (oLtr' yard . Ir't a r•'` ' �, , r_` r' ai:ir. .t. of tkit_a
cird :i. rtt.jrir_: c= on jt : ril :: yards it. sit;: s ,, ` afte r t_ lacz cat r. v (ou need a jt..tsik: yard
}..er.. rrti. t ' . We cari (.JiSc: t..t !5 !_: this at:. t4-tc Fet:) rt_tary meeting , -the ` 1i. st of
w- eb r taar oy .
OTHER? BUSINESS
George VanSl yke made -the 410 'T' IO1'•1 the Town of Groton PI anni ng
Board rrieetings be I`iel. cl t. l`ie t:. tiir (j Thctrsc:lay of the cncirit. h at Fta1m") o pi . rn . fr..: r t:. kie
year 1991 9 seconded by Monica Carey .
VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR:
MOTION CARRIED
Verl Rankin made the MOTION the Plctrini. ng Board meeting 1-.3e,
;_td .., ourt ie(l q seconded I-) •y Sheldon Clark and meeting w a s ad j ourned .
.1" he nc-` „ t r.. (e? gt_tl ar fneet:. i ng of the Tcawn of Groton R' l a n n i ng
S:3rard wi l l i-ie held Tht..trsd <_iy .. Febr• t..tary ',' 1. 9 1. 991 at i_3 ""00 p.m .
Rc".:, sg- ec: t + u'.1. 1 y c: t.. bfy—ii teed
ali.f�/! ✓r' 4nj,04 .�
tat rgar A . P a I mer StPnographei'
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