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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-11-15 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD THURSDAY . NOVEMBER 15 , 199'"iq 8a 0_u:t P , M BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT * George Tot (;tanq Chai. r :rtan Gard, Wood , Code En -for- cement. Offi. cer- -u• Ct_• ci l Tsai gg Donald Gr- c, meq Pleas ;:nt ';dal. l e-v Rd * Ver- I RanI-ei. ri * Iblonica C : ar• ey *David Chatter- ton 4-George VanSl. yke .tc t� h't e l d o r i iu 1 t:c r• k: O. -present ) Li George Totmanq Chairman , (::) pened the F' 1. trr--in ( Bctar • d rtteet. i. n (-t gat C! u ::i % Milint_ttes. frct (rt At_tqust. 1S' �' 0: St l.-aterrsber 1 'i' �� an (-.! October- 1. 99 (::� were 11 mr.-; r- ovf? d as pr- esented on rnot: ion of David Chatter- ton =_ c�cond by Verl Rankin . G . TOTMANO. We det (•=: l� rrfi nc_ad at the last meeting to get tonc_ thc r- tai t: h the V :i I I u-ge I=' l anni nq Board , I clot. a !-tol. d of a7 :i. (it Allen , C: ! Fai. r m �cri + f the ';' :i. 1 1 �t ( lc� Pl aril; i ng Board !'arid told hi r(t toah ;✓ I aaas calling in response to the st.tggeG. t:. i on t: k.te two }.:tl armi. ng boarods meett: and hie said #--te thought that wzis a gooc.' idea . I t: ol. d I-ti. (rs l: way. :� e =spr_� ricii. ng trr 1-si. rY 1cit. ter and he s :ai (:Iq ` Oh ., ycryah .. ' I : aid U'a(•::' dart (liee 't. at ( Vi l 1 <:.ige l me (iat i ng t i mic:? or our ! Gavin ) meeting ng time . We st.tggested i. f we meet: at ouitr meeting ti. crse we sttFret an hour earlier than ot.ar- ruegt..tItar' meet: incs t:. :imc. . 1-4 (_? s; ai. dq ' WeII q I 11. have to brincj it up be-. fore the Doar• d at our- next Board meeting on the `.ath of December- . I ' ll br- ing it t..tp at t. I"t tt. meet:. i. ng ' a- nd get I:; acR•:: tNit. h -•/ ou . ' So I siticiq ' Okay . , So t: hirk: is what happened with t: hiat and that: is. Gahy tNe are not meeting t: cinight ,. PROPOSED_ SUBIDIVISI ©N_ by._ ALAN_ STICKELS _ located in the Town _ of _ Groton _ south _ of Davis Rd . and west . of -Hart _Rtd . q. __Tax .._.Map._ ._No . .. . ._. ,fit 1. - 1.8 . i =.. G . TOTMAN : The agenda says we are going to discus-is the Sti c.- kel s application for a st..tbdivision . YOU 0( 11 got. them in the (rtailq r- ight .. * * **Board responded ` yes ' ** ** Fie aaas told to be here •tonight .. If you all looked it ovel� <_and saw it „ wh ._( t (_# :i. c:1 ycm.t decide t ! t -- t: he vialsted 'to �_: t. bdiv :ide ? V . RANKIN . I don ' t know . M . CAREY : .1 dor-s ' t 1-%- n (:ztra eithier- . G . VanSLYKE : What :i s t. hie yel l ctw part ? Looks I i k e S (=t a (:: res . G . TOTMANe A ! s', nc. C:( r assI c <:, ri t_tndc-�r c: t: atrt (i heva a :-; ted tr_i c1i. ✓ 1 de �ahic= r e the yel. .! CJ6N i. <. > t:) f f teat. i. n his folder tlt < at wehiat✓ e „ . . M . GAP. EY : It. "' - ili the middle of the field . i. t:n ' t i. t ':' G . TOTMAN : Ii-i his folder we have her- (=! . . . !'--' acre - 1. TOWN OF G4' OTON PL_ f-jP•N I NG BOARD 1'40VEIy1l:.( ER 1. uJ ,, I ? ti 0 V . RANKIN : .1t-. a ;; s <--: o(nPthi na :7bcac_it 8C) cs: rec.- I sere D . CHATTERTON : It says here he t. mtritc> to divide :it:. ._ ? _; =ice; - 0 t i i o != . � t. I� �-t ri 1 _ acre I o t:. CS „ G . VanSLYKE : What does :it mead I-i (= re G . TOTMANe He was told tci sL.ibm :i t a drawing , I .. di dt-i :' t think: he needed t:. o , There 7. r_: no wav , as far I (= i=tn see , that trJe CEAn even di SCl. SS what:. he 4Jra ►_ttE-, to do becaUSe all. he is t (-� l l i ng (-( C:. i sY he has 80 acres of IL rid and he wants. to divide into ten — :acre lots bLott th (:� re i = aril y cio :rit_ic: 1-i road 4: r- or: tar; e . He is riot really telling L.( S vifiat he wants to do . D . CHATTERTON : And he vl.-Antc: an E( n < we i toi-ii. c; ht:. . G . VanSLYKE : He:: doers " D . CHATTERTON : °, ..f hat. _., (ghat he says in n No . r q an answer (rJoc( l. d be appreciated on " t. 1"ie NovF' cpb (::-� r 15 meet. a. ncq . G . TOTMAN : There are no dimensions , no road frontages . Unless you guys see something I 'l dori ' t seea D . CHATTERTON : Carol EA p, I a n e d to I-ii. m wI- at was i...je eded and he didn ' t see -f :i t 1-. o do it , so . . . G . TOTMANa Carol :' s rio ��ti• e e ayc: , " Look: thi. cs application over , I -tried to tell hlIn that view' need a (= urvev map , mayb (-:e YOU need to tell himeaff V . RANKIN : What: is this dotted line ? l i:-; that part of the (30 acres too ' G . TOTMAN : He titl y G:tr grit ly ht :tG> <=iri ci40 fer on one part , :it. lcaci6:: e :l i. I:: e . V . RANKIN : Pla %/ L) e vie ought to j L.( c.t: . . . G . TOTMAN : T. ;;l: ,appsears that: M . CAREY : TI,'ie o ++ Rr is + or ::'. '. acr• ee . G . TOTMAN .0 l; yt it doesn ' t May where or there is no marking cu_( t: „ G . VanSLYKEe I don ' t. understand why th i. t area :is (nF•trked in yel. l cm . It is way down -fr (.) m the 8 ) aC - s i . G . TOTMAN : ?" (-tat: i = on Stever Rd . G . VanSLYKE : l" here:- i e no road there at all q i !:- there ' G . TOTMANo Th'i s: i Cs aJh (-..it he wants to divide L.( 1-) here on Hart Rd . TPiat i Lw over on f.itc.yve rig Rd . { noting area on Hart:. and Davis Rd . ) . V . RANKINe lh !_� 1-t what is this deal here ? ii. ric4i. cat:. i. rich another area of d4" aUJ7. rig ) Ti Tr.?WR'`•R OF GROTO114 PLANNING BOARD NC? '•,1E C'IBE R 15, 19 ".) G . TOTMAN : I have nc, idea whr-A that isin M . CAREY : I'•layL; e tliG, t_ aaas the :lj:tnd thaat he . . . no that. ca <_ts uk7 cart tlttr either roi--id ,:R q wasn ' t i t: 9 •that came i rt before . G . TOTMAN : That r- 10ad r- ight there Me CAREY : There is ;-to rocid there across frc.-., m Hart Rd . G . VanS!YKEe We don ' t: know where he is t a I le: i nri abot..it . G . TOTMANa. That %Yel 1 ovi area is just north cif Gi 1 bertsu D . CHATTERTON : Was he told d to be here ton :i c: ht`r` G . TOTMAN : Yes , Carol told snca she indicated -to him he should be. here . D . CHATTERTON : We :R. I q he an answer bi_it: he is riot her (., to answer our clUe =_sti ons . G . TOTMAN : ' I think: We should write him a letter and tell. him !-, F-? has to (.live us more infor- mation . Does the Board agree was need more information before we can act? ** * *Board agrees* *** SITE -FLAN _._REVIEW _for ....BODY .__SHOP ._by ._ DONALD ...GROME .... 1_acat. ed _._ at __b1. ._.Pl_easerit _ Valley Rd . . Town of Gratfln , T >c _ Iap _ No. ib __ 1 4 . 2 G . TOTMAN : Carol •t: old me that this past week: Mr . Grome came in and t. a :l ke • d abouta i tcei -- pl. ar} review and she, told him the Doc-tr- d r- (. clui r• r-_ld a •te= n .- day notice before the Board meeting but she suggested he might wr:c ;; t to come in tonight and tell (..is about his pr- r..)pnsa :l and :R. f vacs had -time We could ac_ t on it and / or- vtorl k witt•i him , ot'. her i�ai. e he i�aoi_ild Ii e -to UJait. for the December meeti. ngn I'e (—.: a (_( se the 1'.1r:.? r_: ember meeting falls close to Chr' istlna she Wasrt ' t. surer 1 i. f We Would be meet. i ng y that it: :'JRiy she suggested he come i r-, t. c}r} i (-itt t . That :i s Uat} y he is here UJi tl } ou 'k. it being or, -theG:, gencla . 5n :i x yoi., have: any questions. oX Mr . Grome . D . GRONlE ' I VJc:ai..il. cl l i. ke to paint c~ arc, i. n my garage . I would riot L) e doing and, heavy work; q j US 't_ toclCl-t - Up rust wor k: q 1 i ke that . It is a two - bay garage l on tt•te hr_ause ,. I have al �> o been 't: al k: i ng to the building inspector . There is ncz f i rel anal 1. f r (asr, the garage-? to the house vil••ien I Nought the pl. r�tcr_? and I am tr- yi ng .tc l.otc.i 't. one up . I ' m not sure v,)hat else is required ,, G . TOTMAN : 'Thelre. is a bree ewa % betweFi.en -the gar' rtge -- nd theho (_( se „ right ? D . GROMEo RJ. ght . D . CHATTERTON : HctvJ many cars would -vo (_i e ; pec: t. -to ha -,re parked t: her' (= atone t i. me:? ? D . GROME : Outside maybe:? or} e . Ri. gl...it now t. her• (s, ar- e <a (� oi-irl e c:3f veh :i c :l e =s there . :? coupI (:� of -t hr-m ar_ e my c:nAan and one is rat friencl of mine tha -t.: I a-tm tak- ing back And -forth to Stafford . I will. be getting rici 0f tR-tose . TOWN OF GROl" 0I'•.1 F' t_ AI`.U1•41 !`•! G BOARD 1'%JOVEMBER 1 s ,, 1990 rlost: l. y � if I do anything , I won ' t: want it a._> i tti nq oi.ttSi de . If I take something in !, it goes into the garage and then a. t: 1 e� aveE . G . TOTMAN : You aarerC -1y.. doing this, for a living , aare:? D . GROME : Right:. now I a::trrt „ I was wor l:: i ng at Newcomb F card and I qUi t. ,it_ s. t:. a little , while ago L? ec: � USES I 4a <- sn ' t �r? �7king el-RO _tgh mono . ._i i _ � • Evente.taa :l. l Y 1: waant to start: a bt_tsi r; ess that has notlii ng to do wi t:. h pai nti. reg cars at: a]. 1. . I arrr doi. r, g t. hi s to hold rrre over f c: r as .Ash :i 1 r-_.• . 1 just started doing <__: ome vlor4 : for- sorr:e " t..t =. ed car- dealers int: owr: herd Bill. L_ et:tver- and RGt'1 Auto ., clt , z ,- c� , tct_tch - t_t ._ w (::) rk 4or t. l, r-.•rm I l; �:tve :KF:, pli. ed for :a -t. rt r-: t_trrberq trsl-; ich I - r �d hza ✓ e t_t -; t got St..tppos (=_ d .l y by Dec.. embr= r 1 I c +an u s:e tt-: E�_ tax nt..trrib er 9 that i. s w h (= n I -b-.3 1. d t i-i,e m I vx:n-t 1. d 1:) e going i r: t o b t_t s i n e s rr: . D . CHATTERTON : ° :!: } 1. caok e 1. i. k: E! yr.. u liave I ots• of l aand aar0t.nd yam..v- house . Yot..t 1'ia -•✓ e 5 . 5 acres D . GROME : : tere i - almost feet ror (: frc -, t _ g = and i k< s , think. goes ba::tc:: !-:: about :I. ^ r,'? r,_) and tapers down i. n the bC-1C: i :: -to � tbot..tt. a? �:::? (::? fret . I D . CHATTERTONo Is that al. l. landscaped ? Do GROME : k1oa I have probably 1 1 / 2 -to acres of :L awrr that. _: cfUi. t. e rot..tgh . F' jr- OLjabIy 2 1 / :`_ to :3' acres: in -the front of the parcel ;.--And then the rest is all wooded . 11 D . CHATTERTOW Do -yot_t have any 1•:: i. nd of a contamination or anything from painting that y (:it..t (:1t_tmp ? D . GROME = tl ie- ., lill'J(a „ what:. I do wi. ti-t it r i gh-st now :i <. I tat- :i •t to l%Jeaac: omb ' r; Ford ► _ FOVItz a still and I pay them for cli 15 p0sa1 . I liar d !. y ! , ave rtr: 'y leftovers anywa-;y . You have to F? a ;✓ to get rid of the Stuff and in order for me to have on si t'. e YOU need a 55 gallon r_trum and 1 Woul. c:I 14—jays=, it -there 'f c:? r- two ye {arc: before I. 1wot_tld fill. it'.. t_ pa Sc l: taE; e it to their Shop and have it distilled . l- 1 ? ( 4y c001•:: i t: down and you end Up w :i l'. h cl e <-trt t: h; i t...iner- and as little bit of as 'Gaste . They Put it into a 55 -- gallon drum and have it picked t_t 13 . G .id Do yot_t get_ p apeer- wor- k: + room them t.. (:.7 prove 1-iC? us YOU are getting r :i. c, of th7e : _0 tr f f SO if tt.; er• e;? are any gt..tc-_e !.-. t. i onsq, you can prove where the rrsateri. aal. is going ? D . GROME : No , I don ' t. now . G , TOTMANQ 1: drily mention :i. t: for- your own protection . D . GROME : I t.ASE? d to be a techn. i. cal. rep for Sherwin - Williams , a (_tt. omotive divis0i. onq and I ' ve seen a lot of things. happening in places because of 1-1a .� ar` dot_ts wacsteti ., Newcomb Ford , because I trsas work i. ricl tiie ;� t 1 only took: :i. t down there once because I haver? ' } had eriot..tgh wC-kc- te yet . I could set up with the corripany I bt_ty paint from but they only tab: e 55 --gal. l o i m wan keeping 't t- t:. h-: at. t..tc-: '. wasterr at: e:� ri al aro. Und . Ri gI...it r-; ow a l: m ( rYcm � : < tr-r (:! I cli (a '. r . r al. . . . Wal iert I clot: f i . e c < al 1. r_� :i cif i. t: I t, t4:: e= z t to 1e wcorr:b and have it di st ,i l l ed . It. ends, t_tg ge:- tt: i r..: g about. onel-- gal 1 on of waste to Page 4 T0WN C:iF i:3l ; E:I '1 i3td ! ' l._ F , Cdt�Ji !'! (a Fti:1F� ' ; i'? I\It7t.' 1.= 1'11sEMR ?. ;`, , fot_ur - gallon .. of clean thi. nrti:rr. that I. can t_ts(-r agairi „ I could get a receipt •frcarn t: I... ere , if t• 1-ie% d i. do : t:. a i ght but " rn not sure wha -their r- e= yt_ti re. nic-:mt. s tare to c; e � t rid of it the:• ffm eI ver Er, Ttiere i 5 a company that comes in wi -th a big t. r t_t c r:: G . TOTMAN *. .1. wot..t ' - :• =•� e r 1 c.l rr, :::, l .. t_. .... t_tre_ ,you cr.� � ._ r VOUr5PI. fa D . CHATTERTON :' Just for your oven protection , D . GROME : I l: iej :l. i e. �: < as of January „ the store I t� t_t �� t. tte l-, :,; i. nt •f r om vai l l recline all the cans to comes k„_tcl•:: to them . :l: nste. t_td of tossing empty canna Every can that. I buy has to go back to wl-ie. s•- e I. !~iot. gtit it . D . CHATTERTON : „ l: rs that a St. at:. c_:• law or is that their raol i c. y " D . GROME : TTttat i s a State law . G > VanSLYKE . Ycit-t are going to put. this new fire vial l in -to protect your hcause fr- orri then' galrage? De GROME : Yes . G . TOTMANa Up Or, our ra {•? proval here he hats to bring the bk..ti. lding UP to the; State bt..ti l ding c (.-ide s That should h .ide. Lrcn dct : before , i + � aDe GROME : I rt I even n ar_. clui red :n0rtg <_t9e <_, {:ar:3rov (-R t q from vai-t :-, t. I understand . Go TOTMANo I Before we. go Any fur- ther lets do the EAFn SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM ��.' art .- - was f i I I ed out by owner_ Part. I I I revi e.we-�d by the. Board . H Action E ( ceed any 'T %,epe 1 threshold NO E( „ Will ( � c tic� rt 4wc-_5ce. ive. Ccwc, rciirrate.d Review NO CD ' Could action result in ANY adverse Effects Cl. to C 7 NO ; C1 - ripgativp effects , pr- ovisione:, have beer, rn ;::tde for disposal of any haZarciot..ts tnatc. rial C ' _ it does riot izap ear to C3 - -. tiny will r- e_ me-tin or_ien E 4 - it fo :1. 1. ows the adopted ordinance in conit_tnction with the. General .:{ 10.1n (:34: they Tovirt , CS is this goi. rich to cl.tanrlc t1-ie geme.- r• al c: 1-ia ac.— t er of •tries rte ' :r gl-, laorhood '. it follows -the_ general plan of the town Ch - r..tarie 'C '7 no other- impacts Da is tl-ic_re. any (_ ontro %. ersy relatedto potential adverse e-nvi rt.nmental i. rr,l f—Lokct. s riot: <:-vt the lare:, se_ nt time NO TOWN CIE GROT01'ta P1.... HtNN I4� G BOARD D tlt:� +• Er—.61BER 15 , J• cJ4' 0 i, • F' ar" t _ 7: 1_ 1 _ Dc ter- mi_ t7ati, an _ of _ tic. ni ficcgtnc. e:_ The Board d �titer- mi ried ba �� eci on the i of css ­ mat. i can and anal. 'y5i =. of 1=' art. I EAnd F' ,_ar 't. 11 and ariy St..tppor' t :i. ng doc.- umentatt :ion , that the. proposed ac..: t i ort WILL NOT reBul t in any significant adver- we envj. rosimes ftal impacts and dc- c l ar- e a NEGATIVE IMPACT ,. D . CHATTERTON . Have ,You 't. ,_t :l. Jed to yne..tr neighbors about what ynt..t plan on doing ? , _ .. _. D . GROME . I' ri-:� <..�, . l: Iia '•✓ e t: al4:: er_1 'tn ttir" ec_} of tl-': em . D . CHATTERTON :,l Dc:t these 't. hre e rtei c � h � I , rar <_:> c'tot. raise any c::tb j ect i on to *yciui }:tropoc t :1. D . GROMEo Right . D . CHATTERTON : ''' There ar6e -the three c: l. o ves t nei. ghbor = '.' D . GROME .v d, `re <.9> , actt_tal l y these ar- e thte only neighbors. I hiave talked to , c , ccFapt nr; ts t_tp ar- ound -t: hie cor- ner' and he U: ,-as"t 't: ecl the tailgate on hii =_> tr' t..tc1• pEti nt d . Thie three c l osev:• t nei ghibov- s, one acr- rse'> s the <: tr- eet and Chtar- 1 i e right ne ; t. to me , both cif threat want: ttr.:1 something pc*ti nted D . CHATTERTON : ' We want. to be +.�- ur. e that j us t iaer_. at .tC.e 'tltc =, e pcac.< pl. e Ca5l : ec3 YOU 1-4. o d0 wor- 1•:: fnr" ' thiem , they could tt..trrt ar' ot_ nd and say , ' hey !, we don ' t. lil.::e . this bLASi rseSSO n ot .tr" midst ' bUt their reaction so far- has been that they I...sa 'vc•.i' not. r' r.'t :1. f " e ( any ob j ec : ti ori , :is that ccsrr' ec: t ? D . GROMEQ 14:: ei t. h I actually came r- i ght nt_tt as-td asl% ed hi rtt and he said he c::lidn ' t car- e if I did it or- not:. . In f ,:act: I said +some 'thing abOUt my van �si 't: t: i. ng out. mi. de fair a r_. 0Up3e of months and stated I didn ' t like it there , :i t. wa <. can e%0/ es:: re -to rate ,_trid hie �: ,_t :i cl hte di drt ' t r_. ,_tre . Right t..tp the s�: t. r- eet. f r" orri him is- the" lady with the dent in the car she c-AsI•:: ed me to f i is , I siz-ti. d ... c.imet: l"ti. rich to her" and s�. hte said sHl ..se did not care if l: was pai nti. nq t. her' e nr not: . C . TWIGGa. Whey would Einyone c: <=trF;;s , why wcn.t .1 d the -A riei gl! ibor- L5 noise , r _ _ parked , io _ r w of operation .TOTMANe C . TWIGG : He :i ta, only going -to be pai nt: i nq nne c. --tr' ;:-t day . G . TOTMANn. Yclu have -to rear in mind Yot_t dort ' t k: riow t: l..t i C-. man , he could be sitting here telling t..ts ;-Al 't. hi e:; =-. tuff ,:arid he gor...•r <.K L+ < tc: !<: home and l 1. ctf a ucidt_n 'yjc+u see ten .:it.; t'k care ar- c:, t-trid thei e that he Kays 1tE= is_. going to fix t..tp some time and he is work: ing In to 11 o ' clock: at night pot_indiricl nt.at l �tltde r r lines..r) i?:' ! C? UJ arld ' neighbor- cai e t r 'yi ng t o sleep , so thtere has -to be some %You set up a bt. Si s tiec-: e 1 i l :: e -that in a reoi dent i. al nei. clhr; o it- hood „ M . CAREY : Acre YOU going -to do r" r_- pai. r' work: "' D . GROME : ('triy repair work: related ated to tot..tchii ng up I will pr- obably do . !• ' ,:age - to L TOWN OF GROTt:JN PLANNING BOARD NOVEMBER 15 , 1990 Go VanSLYKE : From -the name yot_t hwc e selected , Paint by Design , ', ot_t are r c= ally 1. cza !-: :i. t act 1 i !•:: c you are gc) i nrt t: c:, do -fancy scroll work and this k i rid of toucli - up De GROMEa I had a small sho {::a i n Oti. i c: o orace atnr_! I catl :l ed it �' tsti. nt. by De si can „ I ' fro l<.' eepi ng the name becal_tse -the DSG in Design on the Card is larger than the other letters because it is my i ni 't i al G . VanSLYKE : I asl:: becat_tse <_t lot of c:luys ar' -� i rt t. hi � t:at_t <_: i rte =_: � of doing the fancy scroll tear !•.: ,, strips and st_tchi4 De GROME : I doing Mostly tot..tch - :.teas and a 'weral 3. painting . I don ' t do major collision wear' L--: bec , :tt_tse I hiav (en ' t qot. the -tools for it and .I' ' m not planning can getting into that . If- I every did :it I would not be in a ;? - bay garage attached to the house „ D . CHATTERTONn. If yat_tr business expands much , would you stay there or wot_► :l. d you go sr..ame pl '' ac: e else ? De GROME : I wool d har✓ e 'to go some place el se :l can only do so mucl-t in at two -- bay g;ar' age . I can ' t even hire ._. o ,ne caner to Nar_'ar' I•:: with me bt=•rc: auSe there isn ' t roofrl . D . CHATTERTONol 'r' ot_t caul d al ways add on to i t. " D . GROME : If I was going to do tl'ir::tt:. I wc:aul. d l::, robatb :l y look for some prime real estate and put.: up a big building . I WC) Ltl d like to get out in the cammc.tni. t. y land I have other- plans for another business.= G44-tic' h hic-is nothing to do with -this at al. l n In fact. ,, when I get ready to do it. I will -apply far a {=aercrai t t''o do that there too . But t !-aat: i. s more like an off ice -type job . A d :ispl. a �, board with bt_t =_> i. nay <sr, cards . I pt..it t_tp a display board in at r" estaur .ant or something of that scut „ I rent the display board and people h.a t_t t -their !:a t_t .�, a. r..� c:• .:.: ._:. cards on it . Go TOTMAN : What is yot..tr c.' l osest: neighbor- now ? D . GROME : " Acrot. ss t. l"ae road appro : i mat:. (--:! l ', eSC) ""a •feet hotJSE to !-'Ic_, t_tse , maybe 4 C? " Go TOTMAN : T• hi <::tt make !-:-* at difference . There is :_t possibility of someone being closer ., is there land available for someone to be closer ? Do GROME : The only place thitt a hat..tse-• r_ ac.tl d be an -v closer ,, my nei ght) or right next to me I can artly see hifro in the winter time . He - s probably atic. n.tt the same dist. z.tncee That: is from the original. parcel that was. split i rit:. o twc.:a ]of t5omeone bui. :lt another hot..tse I don ' t think :it could be , at the ver" ;✓ closest , (ji_i feet becal.ls !•"s7 (T-tv !Ic::at3 '(s is c: n t: !"ie t_ pper" side? of my p1" Ca!] ert: ;✓ and the only open land right now :is near the lower side of clay property . G , TOTMAN : -ghat I am getting at i. s supposing in the re -view process as' <_t i trst .tl t. ycat_t have c: er- t. ai. ra hiaurs dt_tring the day to do body and fender work: you woul dn ' t bemaE•:: :i. ng any noisethiat-. wain d off c:nd someone %.) fcre't r( tAjay after , sayq eu`),> at rti. gl-'tt . He h �:t4: stated he only l:-.clans on l-iaving one car at cl time t !-aer- c, but to coy✓ (W' r h i fro I t. hi rd< we sliat..tl. d daUbl. c�a whi-it. he <:, ays .. He !=' age - 7 I -f 0W1``.1 OF G RO 61" 0 N 1-' i._ ANN 11•*! G 1 0 A 1 1) tJOVEtv'IDER 15 , 1. 9S' r , might 1 ; a •`✓ e one• or two wai ti ng e I would suggest we come up with some sort r..) f us : h :: a ate : . : , rslc.tt :icin t. . ittt tdC:2L.tic:! k, c t_igrc:. c_ tlhai �. witli klie ISractr• d and that. he can work withas to how many cal' t:* , that gives somebody to viol f on If it does become a problem , '=sEty his bl.lSi rleSe grows , I...t ' can come t o for -trf endf,-? l ipiermi. t e Otherwise if we don ' t do anything like that there is no sense in having tF:t si t. e -pil al i re `✓ i f5} wj Do CHATTERTON : How about if we limit yoc.tr customer veh i : 1. e to two at a t :i. fine:? ,., Co TWIGG : I Ou 'Uni. de „ D . GROME : •1" I ..ic-t •t: wot..cl d I_, e f i ne Da CHATTERTON : Aral set the hours fr- om . 0 G . TOTMAN : Nc::i•t. after 8 o ' cl cac: l-: at night. . Co TWIGG : Inside hour !-E. ,, what: difference does it make? Go TOTMAN : IT m •t•: al. 4: ing about noise factor , Do CHATTERTON : What. do % c:at_t t1-/ J. nk: alwtoi.tt thiat ? Ill u t� r• ome , 6 : =:.{) assm . to Barrl D . GROME : Depej—•iids oi..1 wah" at you consider noise . Sometimes I paint late a t n i. g 1-i t. ,. D . CHATTERTON : The r:; ai. nt: i ng i sn ' t. ' going to bother- anybody , its the noise fact. ore G . TOTMAN : ' I c:Ji cin ' •l say -- ny •thi ng about the painting , I ��; ai :d no offensive noise sir ovc:• r- .- c: 0 feet awa :_t •y aft 8 : f� 0 a •t. ni ght a I was -trying to }a Ir. otect him as wel. 1. as the neighborhood . If he wants to pi -ii n •t to mi dni ghi •t , •that: ' s not going g -to bother nobody . I ' m tal k: i ng about the hcldy and f endr-.?r. wior- k after 8 : ':K. at riig11t.: if Are there any more th; ot_cgh •t.: '.S c::, n t:: hni ' David Chatterton ;made the motion Mr . [home be limited to no more thtan two ct.cst. orrier vehicles parked outside at one tifineq that there will 1::, e no objectionable noise derived from t: he business from the hours of 8 : 00 F . M . to 6 : 0 A . M . , George VanSl yle% e second -the motion : VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED G . TOTMAN : By making that motion are was assc.tming that vie are •t:. c• 17. J. ng 11r CiY" citric:? We are isppr' i::iv3 l...1 ( I"i ]. mow' !=. 1 to - plan an review , We !: ll � t_1 .1 d have a ' E? �i :itr' <7te ' Mot on c:ir•1 that , i now that. iar-:• 116Ave Put_ the corld :i ti of IE- cry .. George VanSl yE: a made -the 1% 101' I Ohd the Planning Doard approve the Site --- PIE-An Review of D(INALD GROME for ra BODY SHOP located at 61 Fl. e ,-Ots int Valley Rd . ? owri of (' rotcan Tax 1%11ap No . 36 1 _._ •l v with the f of l jowi nq c: ond :i. t. i on <. : 1 i No more than two cu4S: tomer vehicles i cal. es parked c�utsi de No objectionable noi !Se derived from tite business from the i-1otAr '-_', of. ello { 1 p „ m , to 6 : 3 ':_Y aofria TOWN (IF7 GROTOI'•.I PL_ i; NN i I%IG BOARD NOVE1111BER 1. 5 n 1. 990 Monica Carey second the mot i on d' VOTED ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED Vo RANKIN : The Zoning Officer now has to check and, rmar% e st..tre hie fellows the conditions right ':, Go TOTMAN : It becomes is bUSi ner and every commercial busi ner: r: is inri. pect.: f•.:•d c ) nce is y' f": a )'•• e Revisions to Mobile Home Ordinance Go TOTMAN : I have here t: he m :i nt..ttes from the Zoning Board of r pperal s concerning the' i. nter- pret:. ati one i:ie :i nci parsed about. or--1 the Mobile Home C) rdirianc: e_r and all of thefri that. Iia •%✓ e come before them !:o f tr then have passed and they didn ' t see the need for ttiefut to be I_) s'- ought before them . If yDu read the mi sst..t •ters , they def i ni tel ;✓ l ai. d the I atrJ sayi. ng the way thiey :interpret: the r.-, r ( i :iriarsce , f34c:� sct..u.z.0 , Feet :i c34r) sgurtre feet and i t doet t cs :aty al-iywtiere in the or- dinanc- e t: liat you can ' t have an add •-- cin bUi. lding to Malee t..tri •the:: 94 : ) se_It..tF•tre f c-.� et A Thiat. is the% wiry thtey are ruling , so i f yot..t bri !•ig ariy •thi. rich chore t. o t:. hierm , if the tr- ai l r?V. har 843") sgt-tar- e fra-et and it meets a :l. I the bt-tJ. le..iing c: oclr:•.- s within thti:•t •t 840 c> gt..tiare feet. ., they dorCt thins... i. t � . tie_) ..t ]. ct tie b !'- ougl"it_ •to t: heat The Town Board did pttss the Zoning Ordinance we gave them a rid i t i Cs at the printers right now .. ' Thie chanq (a �; we made:- to the Mobile Home Ordinance . maybe:: Gary can tell you IDU t I don ' t. t_tnder-t=t - nd what is going on , bt..t •t the town attorney dial not like the wording in them so hez didn ' t:. , whatever .. When Gary gets thir• ougti t:. z:tl k: i ng with Mr . [home perhz:ips.. he can give us socrse infra on it .. „ TI ierc:) i s c_sl c o a :I. o t of controversy going around the Town corscer- nine} letters:, that went out on junk cars Ltnd debris iri yards and I •th i rir% Gistry !:.: hot. J. d cmi�tl•: e Sc) me Comment on i ti ..Ia t. a soa There are CA I of of laecrp l e t.zpset abot..tt i to There are people who had Cars in their dr i. veways 1 art: i..tr- us• t. and they coot. the I et. t. er now 11ovember ? o There was no follow---up or•s the August l , i. st before the letters were sent out in November . GarWis going to talk to t-ts abot_t •t the Mobile Home Ordi. nanc_: e at the Town F .) ard meeting and some ambiguities that ei the !'•• he or someone else might see as to how •tl••ie debr i r:• a. ri } yeopl e ' s f !'" c) nt'; '✓ cMrds, is, bF'. :i. nr{ hi r:tn d I c•= d T G . WOOD : !•Mobi I Homc= -. „ yot_t came t..tr:, With s-somcD le0ecommendati. ons: at. my <.esugges. t :i (-.) n for the T (::) wn Boa ,- do When vie clot to the Town Board meeting the TovJri Atto !'" s•iey found some of the language w4-t <.w t..tlili. vable with arid generall •; wouldn ' t f 1 y .. His biggest concern , l: ttuessq wits that we hutd st_tctt� eM %.. incorporating •thse chancres we talked about i. n the definitions . He said vot..t ca !-i •t:. c:lci -that so it doesn ' t conf orm to the clef i ni ti on of wh ;::t •t: i s it '? . so the mobi •1 c-:: biome 1 aw doe =_sn ' t a0 pp l y at all . St-tl::) secat..tent to that , as you may i•.: now , the 'Zoning Board of Appeals gave: srse " an interpretation on the case that was OF- erented to therm and it. sc= c ) ms to crie With the gUi di:ince of tI•iat. i nt•. c-.rlp- pr- eti�tt: i on we ti ;_t •ve pretty aJe l l taken rare: of the problem , Unless you want to take i t urea it is what c � vJ� { ) want%tako tcc.ime real. s1• ewctrr:: ir"scf c::; f that. mobile home law to accx-implishi w 9 T40WN (IF GROTON PLANNING BOARD NOVE !' BER 15 , 199 ( } }: t_ i s > interesting if yt7 (_t Kara at :it in this way , which I had :, done ci (a . ic lse'fca ! E_ , bttt that riclai }. e= t'iO (rae }. < 7wa i =. ws ]. t:: teri for a (]iobile home park and :inc: ident. all ',, tt••ier• e is chapter 15 -that 't:. a :ll s about mobile home not i. n mobile hiomi:•_ parki:s . We are dealing more with mobile homes not i. n a park -t: hian mobile I..icari e park . There re <aal :l N T-J•tc.:it_tl r_I be two ordinances , one dealing with mobile home r.) ark: s and one with mobile homes not in park% s . G . TOTMANa Originally we had a real problem em when we worked ked on the mobile home ordinance. T4ie school Si.ssar� r" int: rrridc� rit. came to i .t � and said we had to do something abOt_tt all the mobile horses going in . They had to acid two school bs_tee <.s bs_tt: there were no riew 1•-iome , s> g (ai r-tg i. n , i •t-. ways �a }. I llie <�.: e smaII mo{Iii. :le hordes that c.-., •t: her to1wn !_. WC., tld not - a11. ciwa . The in 'tE=n 't of whit. Gary i say :l. ! •tg , w by the Ord :i. nancte :i. r, bt_ti. I t. the w <_ty :1 t. ' s bt_t :i. I t: , war-..: h4F.id a I of of noisy meetings , ot_tr intent waas to c: iKl l a mobile house a dwel I i ng t_trii t and •treat:. i. t•. as sucl••i with B40 square feet , t:. h (=. 1 i vi rich space wahr_•} n put on i the lot was 84C) sCJt_ti�tre fc_ et . It didn ' t.: Sa 'y yOLA couldn ' t h cz.-tve -- n acid - on . V . RANk: IPla It s:u <-a :id :i 't 14-1ad to have 840 = C} c.tr-tre feet. when it was set , the t.. r- ai 1 er :i. tsel + was- 84 ") t qt_tare feet , that was the intent of the ordinance . G . TOTMANa It didn ' t: say that though . It may tir�tve been the Town Hoard ' cB intent lat..tt it wa <.-: ri '' t: ti ..tc.�: F' l ar'in i ncz Board :' s intent . �' *"K' �' Hr i of di sct_tssi on of i sir_: i cien 't =•. 1 �> to 1 :' years ago } G . WOOD : Fr- cim the decision of the Zoni r•ig Bor_tr- d of Appeals the inter pretatinn,; ( .? f t . IIC' 840 square e '( ( 3c=il:. r C._' qlt1r (? mt? n 't 1cS lct (-: ( !'1 C: i=tr' C-_5 (:7f p tiie ether two Parts YOU suggested to -the Board , they pas_> sed . G . TOTMANa What abOt..t •t.. the ; t_tnI.:- ears ^ G . !,WOOD : We are getting a lot of static becat_tse there are a lot 04: people in this -town who feel they ,are allowed one jun4•:: car . L (--.� t me read to 'vot_t whi=•tt the Ordinance says , " All yards MLA st be kept free of aiaandoned , to i ! i 'tc� rar' Ct tltC � r" (ec� l �i 'tc� r (? d 'vehiic :lcrs . . . " I don ' t see whey !"' e then• (= is anyway :inoperable cis i 1 tat'. other -than jt_t =.st exactly what it saws . Now , the bt_tilding code , incidentally , also 1"ias ai <stect:: i on :i. r'i i t that says , " . . . all resit dent. i <-al Areas shal l be leept free c, •F al I jt.ink . . . . inO1ierab1. t:: vehicles . . . " and that J. s_somet: isir"t (:1 wat;� c:: CAs "t ' t c:: 1"iatr'igc? . D . CHATTERTONa BCarriebody rio (- sri ' !' lave an a, rc Ui-fif_n t. wi t: i"i that do theNfr' G . WOOD : Yes , it t seems since was have been trying Be TOTMAN : Pipparently -. here war=> r_t cot..tra :l e hundred letters stern:. Ot..t •t: about a week ago . I didn ' t know about it until r_ant? day I st:. Opraec4 :into t !"] te Town i is} }. }. and Carol waas getting i.-sl ;xsteci n' f ght rtttt of 4� cr eWt� Oec la ;r peOp }. ram hot I er- i nc-i and c 1_tssi ng at her and eve: rytt"ti ng el sw? . l: di cJ !-i ' •t. --- now what tt"tey were talking ab' ot_t •t Until I listened to -the conversation and then L_ arry Parker :informed them I wrote the ordiriw.ince then I not it . Bt_tt , o % er the years I havve beer, -telling everybody YOU could have two unlicensed cars . , _ _. r_� c: mention -that r� -. t'iten• e . There :i. s another part in there Somewhthat Gary has. p"i c.:: k: ed OLAt that he is pi.tt •t i ng in the letter . "FOW1\1 OF GROTON 1=1_ F NN I NS BOARD NOVL. MBER 15 , 19901 901 G . WOOD : "rf.., e tvjo it..14M� 1•:: car' r; comes from, the t7t_tn1•: y4Fard Ordinance wl•"sere it says, " two or more i l"i unl% `✓ el c- 1 E:? .:s con � ti tUter: <:.�t j t.. rtl•: `y ar- d .. ' � •1 h•rctt:. :i s V'Jt•; ere the two comes from , . . G . TOTMANe The problem vie tir:; : cw got. , G <_tr• y , for ears , since that. via =. into aff (...1ct , nobody w �.is bothtz) red ui nc- e they di do t have fnc:asr• e than two cars . Now all of a w:. 1Udden . . .. D . CHATTERTON : , That: doecin ' t (near; vie st•; oul d perpetuate the si tUat :i on . G > TOTMAN . No , I agree with yot_t , David , bUt if you have something on the books and for yeart:a it is tt-; at way -then all. of a Sudden out of the clear blue s1 :: y you " Just as an ex afT;Fsl. e , �yrou go buy a new car anci you don ' t trade ycsur oI d '' car i. r•i and put. i t. ot_tt. front. with a For Sale si can on :i t or yoci leave it out there ber_: au !-- e y 0 U r Son , is going t_ o pick it up when het conies 1'•; t•]fnh'? from c: c_yl l c::•? ge <_trid license it and ut e it , the Zoning Officer drives tay grid sees z cnkr in yoi.tr yard i. n Augt_tst , then i r; November- you cjet a letter .that. � area not. mtFaet: iric:� t: h-te ord :inas-Tce . Tlit� �yt gcv� t. rn �td , by t. hiS . c c.t _ t: irfie the case IE5 gone ., this is what a l. ot o+ people are ups- et about .. G . WOOD : Two people. V . RANKIN : ' We viere c: 0MIDl ai. ni ng t:ieC:: 8UMre the Zoni nq Of f i cc:.,r- w :_ sn ' t: wr i t: i ng these Ur:+ . G . TOTMAN : ' We.. were compl ziti. ni rig about people like the fellow on Sovc:; cc_tol Hi I I •t. hat•. 1 gas `i and ca , 'f and S . The point wr::is , if those people vier• e made to get r i. d of t:. hei i cars fir- St , thr.- s; the c; th•ier- people ghat got the letter , :if it .jt.. St said , ` 'f ( it .l hiLt 'YE:? ' jt_ n1--•: c(-RrS.5_ _nr • ✓ ot..t t-t <-qq %✓ e 1. T c.t n !:: car ' or Wa1 fat. ever.. 9 most 1:3e (:.-; r) l e got letters , I don ' t k: t Novi if its true or not but: I went into Jonecil Jewel. ry co- tore ar; d C"A c� UY nailed me and war-ited to k: rfoas wtt %,j he was getting this letter 'For becaUSc: tie hie: a classic. car s; i. ttinp out in his. yard . I don ' t: i•:: now if he has or not: . Everybody c-tot: #:. 4-; e same letter- no matter what •they had in the ward . That I think: i =. wliat is irritating them; mc:7r- e t: t ; < ir; rtyt: l ; :i rtg else . D . CHATTERTON : 1: think Gary ice c:# cy :i s~ g hisj c7b .. So cicnebc:; cly gets ra letter that doesn ' t r• e4E:tl l y apply so handle it :i ndi vi dual I y . We vient all this t•. i. fne aii. t_ hi jt_tr; li car =_v : ir ourtc# 1-. hi. s Town . G . TOTMAN : 1 1-:: now wh-tat yot_t are saying , David , bUt there Eire an awful. lot: peop 1. e who h•; ave i� eeln ccampl a :i. ni ng bec&U..tse of people I :i. 1•; cr Hendrix , peol::z :t e have said d things to t= hie_• Board abot..t -t his .i canl :: cars. and tlie Ecor-. rd isn ' t doing anyt. h :i ng aboi.tt i;; t „ That i=.. ame l:ae:.� rson get!: a l eat: t er becat_tse he Has a j Unk car and he says , ` look , I been bit. cl•iing al.; OUt this gc.t :✓ and he =. till has Junk cars , I...tow c:' omem I am getting the. letter ?" That ' s where they are coming from .. D . CHATTERTON . Now ow vie are getting bUS '%Y and doing somet. l _fi s g about i t . C . TWIGG : Where do tsar_.' get. •t•. he :idea we can Have one t_tnrecl .i <.O: tered vc= liicIe : Page — 11 i TOW114 CI GROTOI'•I f-*ftf_. ANlq 7: 1WN1G BOARD I'• OVEMBER 15 , 199 �i G . WOODe !=' rc-jal they ;.7t_tnf•:: yard Orcli. nan (-. e . It say = if You have ` „ . . tw o car fT) ore . . . -th; en you have to get a per' mi. t to r• s_ln a js_trd-eyar c! . C . TWIGG : :{ have 1 ; ( r-n t .tnctr_-r tFti dd� i. cr, Ctr- -. i cn Cr'tcl I dart ' t L:: nrawa where I get 't:. :it , but. people have asleded me abc_iut and l: ; ; ti. d , ` ye s4 ycat_t are allowed one t..tnreue. =_. teer ed vehicl. - a ' G . TOTMAN : taerl , Cee (- i1 , I have bec-art tel1. inq {aer. pled that fear the Ii.=tst 13 nears: and until just recc= nt l y , within t. l•: e7 last c: ctup 1. ee c:; f yeiard s , it wa ::as: pointed c;t_tis -to me th•tat was in the ordinance and I didn ' t I-cnriwa it was:> there my <._ eel f . G . WOOD : Wh; ,_, t cli d yex.tr old r_; r' c•Ii nanr.: (d:-.-- > ay ? C) o you suppose that is.- where it:. c- ame fr•• o (Til' G . TOTMAN . Bec_: ausee waee a. 1. ways: , forever , in f ar_ h tl te5 f i. r ss 't: people c :Aat ; c, said something nn to file abot_t 'th they 1 et :C said you c- an have two they said and t !-ie- 'y �7i d s'io we cart ' t'_ it. ' tea s r- ic� l-t 'l_ here and I remembered Gary pointed that: out to me several years: time ) . It: iss one r_; f th'tc:ts Er 't ti :irtcfs thr7 'k. is t'. tterr-_: thatwedidr't ' t. F: now ab0Ut. . I 'am riot saving it should of shouldn ' t be t #•; ere . I persona . . :L y . tsar . gets paid f: or doi r-ig I-1 i s job , he is doing what -the Towar't Boc-irc:1 waantsi him to do . He work. = for tl-te 1` owdn Botar d , he ctc, E= c.(i ' t waorF:: for and he is c:loi. ngjob „ G . WOOD : But he may not: be dcii ng wal..., at. the Town Board waar, ts> 10; i m to bt..tt he get <.::s -the heat:. . Go TOTMAN'a. I wt: me puts iitanoth; er wa ( ty , T. waot_tl r..lrt ' t. Have clone ne it that waav , L:. e I _ aot.tl. d have got the big gt.tys •f: i. rs: •t:. :-, rid them go for -th; e little gt_ty . D . CHATTERTON : We probably <sti mt_t :l. at. ed yot..( to c! (. i t- h; i. di. d , t wae , Gary , - : : I..., rive brought it t_tp a c ever' al fTleet i nc� e '., G . WOOD : W'c_• I I , e '•✓ erybody ha S70ort of sti mul atecl (Tte „ Dt.t 't I t: hi. ni:: George h :, S is gooC.:l ;ar-; i r'tt. looking < , t. i t: wai t. h 1-ii. nd <.=si ght. . 0+ r_: OUree the otf-ie=rr thing r; cl yc;_ t_t c: c_tt_tl. r.1 s .av :i coo out ctrtci tal 6:: Id. pec; p t e first . Wt; en i et: arteci jr, t. hi i si bUS' i netss. I di d do t l .iat'. q but:. 9c,i per cent c; f tI-te t i (Tie that d i dt i ' t: it- e- ,:- oI % E anyth i ng therz Yo (..t have no doct_mentat i on of what happ (7-� ned . So thee C ; t_t1 C: fe; , di r -t: y way odds Ct ( 7 :I. I1g 't hi. 5i 1 'r to (Yticlt :: e_ l_( t } a f CJr" f'(1 t ett. er- stating this is the s:. e c:: 't: is o n o f the or d i n ea n r_- e '�✓ c:,t..t ::are in violation o f „ S . CLARtr; e :{ t^acit_s :t. d 1 :i !; e t_ o r(tat :: c a c: ctsrtrTterst:. . I gr. rt: a c � tl 1 abOt_tt: l. (;ta cti::r c:;i i e; n i c1 I , 't f r' c:, n i m s: o I., — i. r't _ :I. a wa . Me l i v e <_;> ac: rossa. f r c:., m Garyc� ldv1 i l l e} r o n I_.. i. c: [e S •t: . d. i. r; a real. nice tr „ ailer . Th (.:? y got into a real bad ar_ cidnt:: about /:) rnonth; s:a <atgo Gand 1-1acf tl-tei r f ai r' I v new c_: , , r demo1 i ss. i; ed . TIddley bought abOut can 92 or f? �I C: hte 'vy to drivewal ; i. l. e. l: itce ;✓ got tltei. r' new czar f :i. : 4. ; c--eei s_t ; , . They been wdark: i. r; c� tiighttoandtwee' l� eai1 = to get -t-. his c- ar fi ecl t_t {:; , Fr•• i. clay afternoon at. • f= rec- O 'ff th; e older car• ,, waer; t to the Motor Vehicle and licensed •ll• a• = i r c:: ar t. h; ev 1'; ,_, d gotten f i :; ed and started dr i vi l-ig it aat. urday . I�londay r•ii. cif-dolt t: h'tey c: ofTie} home grid there a�acas , Idle cal ea tl ; i. _ :L Otter in 'the niGti. :1. f:iO >; and 1 me , Here l: tan, a newa meeimbei os-t this Board , I set thierea hol di. na the �; Iloriee C,t .l 't . Fle [ cit..t �_ E? I'll:% tia �i r; e-ve:r- f:; (:? en mad at fYte , : t: trvtt_trt ,, We spen -t. -t:. he re ! i 't: O 'C the wee ]:: r_ c, mpi l; i rtg a 1. et: '! er , walti. c: h evidently wra � <Kl 1. z r; vain b e c: ?-.-( u rz. ce l: Page - 1, 2 T0ta { a caF 1.7Rr1Tca { a Pt_ rr ] r .{ l { aG >~MrRD NO V ►_ . { B �. R 15 , 1990 dj. rir; ' 't. know the ordinance . I cic., n ' 'k'. know , I really fee ]. {=) tali . 'rhe guy works t=tt: lherIII abot_tt 6i_) 171i7t .trS tt wEiEE:: W jt_lr: t bot_tglt 't cat n (?' wl hc) f)len ) U 'St c} C; t. fTYztrr' 7 (� (� q kL-? Pps. it nice , looking .. He is a fine Yot. ng mar{ o you are not going to talk: to him t_abc) c.t 't_ zon :i. nth boc--irds or planning boards or tows i boards . That rat_t 'y i s all dor{ e with them t_ir{ d commt.tni. t-ty s' pir" it .. t..{...iar I i e B a r t h o I oIn (E.., w on Rt: e? .::'. .�'._' i !-5 a f :i. r; e .y twt p) s t. tit rt c! :i :s y retired mt:•al; who ! : tic a van that he has driven fryr vears It is an old ]. ook i rig 't [ii rig Fie is an (al ectri ci Mtn and helps- everybod %' out. . It w as b ac:. I:: up into his dr, ivewJay a little ways ., it is not even rusty , it just a dinghy o 4I d van . He ctcat a ]. t:: t 'Fer . G . WOODe Is that registered , Sheldon ? S . CLARK: Ye !:-, he drives it once tit week . section that L + " tci - ked out of the orii nt nceq f rrG . TOTMANO. a long time I didn ' t. Lenow i t wJa there „ :i f yot_t rt-. ad the ordinance (an wAih at constitutes. � ; t..t1-1J:: '• raIYC] 1 t 1 r t. wJC! mil'" More C' ar i SC"s wJC= were al wJ 1 `J !� l.( 1tdC: 1 thC:' i mpres �-:si on that i f a { yt; (..) dv col l ectE4:vd mor' c-a than two cars t: l-{ er) thiey shot»tl (-{ clet a letter ar-id raet it back: down to two or apply for a jt»t1i {- yard license . We have rt (•? en under- tri {at i5tl_1s11ice 4: (.-) r vet=tr ": . S . CLARKo I ' m not c{t..tj. te done . Must above me is the old Albert ueh !_; e 't. f ar III .. A (1t»ty t:) y t l' e r; arfie (� f Perry Rosen lives it . We 't:. r- y to k: eelct ot..tr place look: i. ng nic (iEf . I Carr: a farmer . I don ' t leave egt_tipment out . This Perry {wi . � . 'There ilF? rt ✓ eri ✓ t � htcler_: . t � � � have been the pl = CF ( ; C : " 11 { ; C _ rt:-t : . . p there for" probably seven , eight t yes; ar +_• all re. St. ed down with weeds gr- owsi. ng 1.11a t_trot.tttd t. ! (-: fm . f:evell-I vehi cl eri . Hee_. 1 :. ! { e:: '' <.w f a. ne✓ . He ' <, t..tst. { .> ne . I r{ i ar_. t. I dC) r; ' 't t1'; i. nk: hie ' has paid any tax- es foil" at least three years . The s -yster'st in: tlnh:: <. , . M . CAREY : Do yc:)t_t tl"t :i. nk: the cIir' ls got t_t I it:. tle too ciarri. ed away ? G . WOOD : Ev (:� n if the ••✓ did , Moni ct"a „ :it is still Ivy resporisi. bi l i tw and Jr :t gt»tess. „ l ook: i nq at what:. :i S gr.; i rig on hierc� q I would readi. l y Ltdm :i t that. George has the better idea of being selective .:and going afte.er the big ones •f i r s 't. . t... et me , while I ht• tvr_:# the f :! c ; or reMsportd to fa !" el dori . I don ' t rc. cctgn i zzl the name , is that around •t. l"; e corri (sr from yc} t_t with i l_tn k%- on the I F.? f t. . I+ it is tl ]: th'ti. nl<: it is , -the last time we had a go around alJott '!: 't1 ; i <•l . . . 1. t 't s;ie !3ar_: k. t .t1� jt_t t a little lit:. .. . . t {ie enforcement (' rocer] t_tre 'i. rt 'yot_tr is that these violations be 1 ) rot»tght t) t-) f (:1t e the aori :i. nc� ]::ioard o6F Appeal ;,s• . T' Ise ]. ar'. t 1 i. rr{ e w (:_ wacerti_ trotu'id at) ot .t 't: t11iE: l' k , : ottoltt in a blArich; c.I + people' -arid h') e wfaS one (-) f tt-I (:? m . : trioth') er" one was Riemer" and another one w i.-is Pl ots: s all l () f whorrs the Zoning Roar' d of Appeals. said „ %710Lt are doing f i rie9 yot_t ar" t:? a Ir :i c� l'; '1 It i. i- . n ' 't:. -that he has n (-- ✓v r been i Slao : en to or tci ,dr r' • 4.c_ d a S . CLARK.n t;J !' y Eire they comir; g to t»ts-: 'then ? Go WOOD : T. i_Ic; n ' t l :: r; ota the._1 ttnv. viei e .( cept ti'iey ar" e Sorneorie wahio I�: nowaS You and carat-s bend yc) t..tr ear . Believe me I ht_tve oott. en my share of flack: and I have only gotten after the girls def ]. ec_ teci it . 4hr- y have r" c� ti=tl '!. 'y tal% �_: orate shi t. r.. ( put i t. Mildly . On -the other ht: trid T. think we knewwh; el we : -lade _ j : T0W1N OF" GRC1TO 1\1 Fs L_ 121 N N I I�JG IBC AFab' D 11CJt1EMBER 1. 5, a 1990 started this that it was cloi nq to nc= rier atr-i Sc< rrie f l aCt : . �Aac.! I'letW to ta [o t h at. . :l I'•iave a c: :laCsic I want- to pas � s ors to you . A gt.Ay Ii ;Rd a Car ot.At. baCl•'6: Coar'id T wrote h m un letter. He vir- ot: t._ a letter- to 6t1 he Vi 1. l aot=_ ;about Flow avift.Al t. hiS t. h'ii. nc4 t..aa -i (r { ia (:one c: :� r' ot_tt tl-ier- e thn�.v:. he wor• k: ed on vii th hi = (= on and why cot_tl dn ' t a f at. hei Wsor k: on G. c ;a ) - wi. th hi s Mori on a pr' o .i ect . etc . . etc .. I thou (_lh 't y ' why didn ' t •y (::) t_t r.:aI l rnea I pr- obabI y t-•1ouI d helve C'vex. r` 1. ool•; t-' d i t ' 1it_ t. 1e ti rne ° oat= tit F� v xtr� ei T. cGt (^a hisnt� ie3lik- or and he <.� aicia '` than le for. c{ et. t. i. ng -that i t_tril; r_ar• ot_tt. of t114-tt r__yt..tye F:) El (:: I :: yEAr- d . ' So -. here ar- e two si r_Iee to that tv{ , ett: {itrr ve:3t_t 1 i ke it or not . I t. i r, i r, t. e r- e4=> t: i rig 'the situation with yot_tr- son - in - law beczm..i < e tl-ie girls went ~Around grid dial this Survey in ,7t..tly or ALAQust I. th'iinte We sent the l et. ter- e ot..tt the 1 t:: h'i of November- . S . CLARK : "f{-iis vlas for the one setting there Fridav afternoon in 1\loverriber . G , WlOODe No . it mas :sn ' t „ Sheldon , So help I...low could it h :_at:it:) ened `I D . CHATTERTON : That is urireai :l . S . CLARK: Thtit s VJIl it I thot_tcalit e h 0 W c: oul d rtnybody r_' h'ie c. k: on :anvbodv t. 1i Mt c. 1. os=.ae . G . WOOD : It. as <"iSn ' t: in November it 4sr_is back: in Jt_tl . D . CHATTERTON : Maybe the :l et. ter- went to the wrorig place . S . CLARK: The t:, lac_ F;? ne >( t:, door li :::ie two or' three (:town :in the t. reee; . (If cot_tr' s":> e vie dor-C t_ -:: now i f •- I"iev got :a let: t. (:sr or- not ., D . CHATTERTON : ' TIne}j micjht have gotten the wrong address M . CAREY : Chie ' r awe al 1. 1. i ceneecl ; ir �rri ' t they `=' S . CLARK: C•loq there ar- e <:oo (ne down i. n the tvoode . The-y have now dvagged them fur- ther into t: he woods . D . CHATTERTONa There is no way , Gar- y ., you could have picked t:. h4-ft t_tp in thi <at. �shor"t: of t i me is there ? G . WOOD : No . S . CLARK: :[ f c--:� 1 t St_tre you must have somebody going .:around daily . G . WOOD : Not so , and for- yc) ur Son - :i n - 1 avi I extend an apology bec: at..tSe :I: cl on ' t. uah4it happened t. her' e . G . TOTMAN : Sheldon , what: he is S a.av ng i S he i <. e . -tending and apology rind will t :at:: e !ii rri off chit= :i i. St . D ;:ivi d 9 i n rec �� rd t. ra yc.) t_tr f i rest. r cwrncar t ahot_tt. ;aecayl. e having •jt_uit•`. car- s- in the var ci ., this point wee usher; rrtt rri4ak: r_- the °- ! you dori ' t allow f or' any cif these little th i : ice l :i ket rul e like l:: (- this , ! t. r' ttnSfer- r• irig plc tes fr- orn, and old cav- t: o a newer- car- . TOWINI OF GROTC.lN Pt.- 6, !`•. N 1' I',! G BOARD 101JOVEMBER 1 ' . 1 p9l".t Thiatk se fine but I do? ri ° t. wi-=mt. to send < t i c yn <_� 1. to Gar' v that:D < CHATTEF.TOPl . _ . he is not doing a good joba G . TOTMAN : That i sn ' t. my intent i on Gar- v k riows Uahic-a 't:. I : am sin i ng For a c_, UY bU G, an c-.? 1 cater- car-- 'lI"1at is deemed a r_: 1 a * sic. and he wants. to wor- k on i t . D . CHATTERTON . Gary , prrit? ab1. y some of t !-lese 1. Pt. tc= rs yc7c.c haVe fc? 11. c7wE� c! U }j uri and deter- mined, the c i. r- c:. umszitanc.: es and jai t. l'-idreda the letter - . G . TOTMAN : David ,, the t_ tiinc4 is l ? eclal. e t: hiirlk: tlicrr heave rlevci~ c# c ,tic, anything wr' onci in their- whole life , they I•-: eel.:? their- place nice and clean and then the-v get- this letter . TI ic� 'y want. -to know W1k � y T. t i. s an r.:, f fen �. e to -these people . Did YOU know David Of ner not. one ? G . WOOD . Yes ., T do and David is one of thoc_. e guy = vaho says you arc_ ;::t1 i owed two cars and I will iFAr' gUe with him on t: h <•-Rt one UrIti l hiel 1 f r- eeZes over „ rj , , ccric# cai ' .. taridi ng i sy: he won ' 't: deity the car- is there „ G . TOTMAN : Fie k: nows='. :it is ther- ea he :oacir' ees w :i. tl ./ yoc.t on 'i:. hat S . CLARk: a What abc:? ut l:? c.+ tt. i nc3 a sc:lLu-are in the Shopper- saying dueto all the, ok ? l. esn s that this: has ct: used , wr- i t: C•? 'that. ordinance :i i i t: here . G . WOOD : Sheldon ,don ., for.. what it is worth , orie r" easor'i we had this c# el. The cai ' l s c-ame I-? aci•:: and sai d I et ' s ' clet. 't. he l etter oc_t 'k'. <:arld i. t was r deter- mi. reed vie can ' t do that look- at the number. of t hemst How about we r" un ::an acid in the Shopper-? So tl'.iey rare an add in the Shopper- for a mont: l'i . Do y ('u lenow the r- esponse vie got ? Zell- o S . CLARK : GAflia 't: did -thee add say '.' G . WOOD : .11" said 'ti-lc•� car- Cr- usl'ier" was :_available and that. 'thee Town has :.a or- d i nance against. ,j urlk: car- s and here is a chance for you to comply . S . CLARK.a Did it spell out the or- dinance , that l:iart: ict_al .� r- Ezenteric_ e ' G . WOOD : 'rca it. did . S . CLARK: T didn ' t see that , I nevcar read i t 4 I wC? nder' how many other- s didr'1 ' t . G . VanSLYKE : :L Saw it but didn ' t think anything ::ab0U 't.: i 't . G . TOTMAN : ]; r'1 Lansing 1' aient on recc?rd to -the Town Boar- d to go after-- the t? i .. canes with junk: &-wid when they get that done go 4: c? r tt'le littler- ones . Pifter' Of wl•ii l e 'the cnsrs . acle getss ar- olUnd to peopI e . C . TWIGG : .T. f a c;} c.c '..� I..iav'> at jc-ink: car <. si. tt. ing out back: with weeds c_-Irn �� iric� c_ika ar" C! Urid it . I think- that is a dJ f f er' ent. situation t:. hari some !--? oc! '•:' l :i k e Dave Ofi; er s who hiad the car' by the barn . It vias a r' oadaL-ale car' that had been taken off -the road I=' a r_l e -- 15 TOWPI O4= GROTOI�I 1=' l_ ANN I NG BOARID n.lr..Itrr-_ MBE R 15 , 1. 99 (-i G . WOOD . I"iie of #'� e: r side of that i e. people wonder why members: of the t� c ; ar ds ar- en t " c i t e d . C . TWIGG : I: h ::ave an t_( nr- egi <. 't:. er' r,, ci r.-' ait. and I vja :, t..tndcr- t. t'; c� <KcSst_( rtipt: i. on 1 Wa �. (:fga .l . - G . VanSLYKE . C.' ec :i I. 4 wh-, at. ar' e yot_t s. a %Y i ng the= n i-is ? o n g ass i 1:. i s�: hi dden J. n the weer..ls c; r bt..tsh", ess i t i s a r' i. gl-i 't t- o have it ' Co TWIGGe No I sa if it is an evesor- c-i sitting ot_t 't in the ',✓ aittd . . . G . VanSLYKEo This place Sh-s (-: lI dcm i s t <=Al l-e i. rig at; ot..it , i. t t-sr_, t..tl. r.IW t. mt_, 6: e an NY differ- ence w.:mvirsava t. t-, e �Aaholc? pI ac.- e has gone to t•iell sinc (Oa t #-, is gtwty has owned i. t . G . TOTMAN : :I: think: wh i-tt: S#-iel don is saying , Garv , icn. they see that . "I" hey clri ',✓ e by it:: every clay of the week . They clot one cc-ar out there and t1"ir-_ y get C, let ',tel . That guy cis beent1"iere foctlr c:) r t= i. ve ',✓ e � r � . T# ie ;✓ get: mad .. G . VanSLYKE : Yc.:it_t stay the Zoning Board ssai. ci the -y were ol.:: ay . Why did they back: down on it ? .I. can t_trider- stand if yoi..c are t r- y :i ng to enforce this i. n the winter time trying to take r.- are of these tlii. ngso G . WOOD ; T #'"tesil� the <_-: ;ari. -, g is too asertq the fall i. s too stet , i (: -the w :i. rit: er' the <_ (1c_'; tWi i s of-a -t. hie c4r- ot-tnd and in -thie st.mnirier yc.:; t-t can ' t see it . Appar" entl y wheat hal:) l-iened ttssas whc_ i; the Zoning I:( oar- d viewed the pr- nper- ties p) eopl e had moved , or- attempted to rziove the vehicles and the Boar- d 'told 'tl ..ve ri they Esc= r_ e tit-wing to r_. omp; l y rand didn ' t go an -V f t..il" ther . G . TOTMAN : Gary , r> t_1 ;::, l:; ose I got a letter' and I say Pin going -to I-; ave (ny :l awyer- -tel 1 t': he'm t:. htrtt. :I: will get rid of t. hiat. car' Wien the %-4 made everybody who has more than 3 cars get r- i d of th-tei r cars then I wit I follow suit " beccm.ts e there <:a lot of thorn <-, r' ot..tnd he r: e . D . CHATTERTON : 1`%Ioit G . TOTMANe `s' ot..t cic.:in ' t. t; el. i eve :i I; f �i r l� 1 �, ✓ "' D . CHATTERTON : Ira the e'N es— of 't:. 1"ie I. aw that ' <S: . . . t: he 1 at-s %> er' Nar-; t l d say i t. c:# cie <_ ri ' t. real-: e; ariv di f f ere ('ice „ Yot_t are violating the law , :it sloe <sri 7 t. niak- e any di. f ference whc_ ther someone else is or- not , yoi..t ar' e:� violating. . the law . G . TOTMAN : I t_u..idr� r' s 't. a (id yot..tr" 'theor' v tit_tt I ' ll -tell you what . Those gt_ty <_> on 'the Town Boarci have to r- Un for r' c, -- el ect i cira and they wc_in ' t get re -- el e'c: tc=rcl i. f thc? y a1. 1 ow t h i „ stt.aff to go on . You have to have c: ons :i r. tericy . T1 iere= i. s ar- or ( : :Lal" � e iI'"tJ sense in r ✓ 1 ; l ] af t ' ( ( 17r to let 't #'l (_' Qt .tY tl1. tI t c.-t e ve?t 1 or ei. gh; 't cars go for fot.zr- c:, r- five years 1n a r- otis and yot.a live (ie ( t door- with one (:: ar- arir"h <-, r- e t. oId you have to ge, t rid of '%'lot_tr- car- . Ycil_t Call that (_: ore , i s-tenC. `, ") Yot..t wc.m.t1d get mad t: oo a I 1. nders-AArid WhlcRt `j (=1U are ect ` i nc_j cli bot..tt. the l atrs and I agree bt..tt yol.t have -t (- tae c: orisi s: tent . D . CHATTERTONo II 'tl-ai. rik: -this is consistent . The process is i;%soi-' k: irig . When the pr' oc: r sst :i s (:# one i t w :i. 11. be e (.-luaI . TOW4*%3 OF GF: OTON 's=' i.- Ar• N I NG BOARD NOVIO-El'° BER 15 „ 1. 99 G . WOODo I vaould agree vaithz _%/ 0U ,, Geor- ge , there hi'-ts to be some modification to the pr• r_, ceTtdUr• e . D . CHATTERTON Hi. nd !vi clht i =. always better than f csr- e !Ed ght . M . CAREY : t•! I"lat � abcsut. al. 1 tlit:� pec:spl. e we have told '� i..ir11 i cerzScacas `retza. c_ :4. are f i ne „ G . WOOM That ' s al r i ght:. 9 Mori i c:: A b e c c1USe we sr5nt them c . opi es. of the :l. aw . They don ' t real. l y k: ricsva whether- it has been changed in the last year- or- vahat . I think there is a lot: of over indignation . C . TWIGG : What atbout. ai •%Y motor• halrrle . I only use it i n t. 1-le SUmmer• time . V!liv have i t. r• egi <-> ter• ed al I vai nt. er wl-ien I don ' t use it al I wi nt. er G . WOOD : M % 1 i nter• pir- etati on ! iris always been and still r- ernai ris the `✓ ehi r.. I e hz �_t �> to be ' i noperat) l e� . Tlzat: :i s the 4 :: ey word . IS i t. sornettzi nr.;4 that c, ari be operated . I was :in Court here a c: o !_lple of weel•:: C:. ago . Tl•zc: CIUeS 't, i 0r•1 waS a !:- I•:: ed ` 1010w (JO `do !-i !- •t. and ot_t •t. :i n the road and : now it is irloperable '? ' As a matter. c:•sf fact. I don ' t . If I wr•• ite you a letter" and Say i. t l ool•:: s:- l. :i. k: e an i rzoper- at) l e vehicle and :i. t. ' s not thf..? n you can visa to rrie back - nd say !- (Do If, I See t. hze th i ncl mov (_rd fs•- c_im t i me to time then I asci-Rime it is-' oper• iab l e . On the ot_ her.. hand if the weeds ar- e gr (:svi :i. ng up into i •t_ , :it is pr• c# tty good evi "denc: e it is i noper- abl. e . I think that i. s the 6:ev word . C . TWIGG : M ., y4::se ycu.ir sari - i. n - 1 r-tw over- r• eaic: ted 9 Shel. don . What does- this arell yOU •t: h'ir• ea •t er0ii rig -to jail -these people '? S . CL.ARK : 1- hi =u was a nice 1. c , ol< i. s: g car- . G . WOOD : S !"iel dorl , :i. t is obv :i. r:n.is the car- that:. was <.sieer•s is not the czar VOU ar• e •t: al ki nra e '1 S . CLARk; e e hv I .iave had no other- car- s . There was a rlioe p :ic: !•a c.ih:s arici a nice look ing Car . G . WOOD : Then we picl-:: ed the vir• orig pflace or somet:. hi. rig . C . TWIGGn. What did -thus letter- indicate , that they h­iG:, cl to get rid csf i t:: tomorrow mor• rici rig or- what ? G . WOOD : " 'I obsele ved wl-iat: I believed to be Mtn i. noper• abl c::a ve4 i i c:: l e . . . If Inc::: i. dent: ally vie did riot addr- ess iunk: or- (-.mythirig at this point:. . We _iUSt. addr- essed the vehicles . " YOU ar• e here h:, `{ notified that town law inr• ohi bi t. <.:-. �ii.ir- h " then we if1 <� erted t_ Iie townl. iava „ " (; l. Sls the New ',' or" !; State F� l..lil. diric� ' " : '- • I ow � . . . " and wt'_' i ni- er' t:. (Ad t:. ha •t. . Then !^a (?_' l-J (c' nt: C} 11 t. C1 may , Lod (-. r e �::, ci .: r:, .:, f o .l " arr• E:tngemE-lnt: S have beers (node iras. th Summer- hill. Auto Salvage to goys these ••1r _ - _ . vehicles f csr •� ..� �� It p :i E::ic: e;:a < , rzd h•1e w 1 1. give Et ssiTi :.:t .l. :i retscat. e to t: !-ie (:-srest: c:ss i Youth C:. orismissi. c:ss•z for" the car- s: he collect !_. . You have this oppc_wt: c.lrzi. t. y tc3 c cs s••i f o r• m •t. c_i •t h e I <:.A w . " C . TWIGG ; :I 't:. woUl d be c: bv :i. cu..ts to sne ,, i. f I had ciott. en a let -ter l i F; e that and I had r", c) l••ii. c: l e I woi.cl. d __> a Soaiebod s: made a rri :i <. t:. ai:: e . I cari Page - 17 TOWI'•t OF GF'tO 'T' ON F'LANNIIO%JG BOARD NC) VE !` BER 15 , 19 9CI Understand where the mistake can happenn l: woul dn ' i_ make a k= ederal case out Of it . t ci to the author of the ;:tract find Out: what. happened , G . TOTMANn. I thinkq Gary , really you ought to talk: to Carol and Coal. I een . They are telling people t: l .tra 't:. over 200 0 *letters have g (::) ne out.: . I he_J ,:, rd -them tell pec) ple th at and -they Have told me that . treferring to a c. onvere- <:at i or•) that tools y_) :l ace off they record) They oaa � ly made up copie = t ) ernwE1ve � .. 1ia ✓ rC . TWIGG : t1 _ cci you did a gc::) od job and c::: o } , :i. c: d yr_) ur• l e tter•• # G . WOOD : Theyv sav th e % z sent. out more than 20C) letters '? There are 45 LIP pc) r, e t: e_; be ab (-) Ltt. 24 , :i 4 i all ar•id I wou :l. d <. av wal-) at thew sh (:)LA d have. said there wJere:� a" 4 letkcrC� -to go oLtt: . G . TOTMANO. T' I•') e 'y tare? telling People , aren ' t the only one , over 2. C) C) let. teras went. Out ., G . WOOD : T r_ an sec; wt"iy they are saying that . G . VanSLYKE : Let ' s get. rack: -to this thins . If this is hiappenirigq you Have been to 'khc_a Zon i ncti Board :_( nd they are tell :i nca these people they are okay , why are you botlieri ng to beat your t") ead against a wall ? G . WOOD : One reason is , experience Sugge <Stc.., about one -- third will get r :i (J of their- veh7 :i r.:: 1 es with a letter- like -that so it he ]. p !:y . The other reason: is , in the, fUture trJe will not tab:: e it back: to the ZBA . WP. waould tal•:: e Biome other ziipproacho G . VanSLYKEe f c:i What i. vc)ur- <� y::) y:; r c:) ;:sc: h '? Say with F: o en up t here9 what <::ty :) y ) ror_sc: li are ✓ c)u 'gr_; irig t:. r.) kta4:: e withhim ? It dicl4i ' t wor6:: the first time. , sc) what: other- avenUPH, do volt have :' G . WOOD : Ih � � �:) us. tice Court . D . CHATTERTON : It:. s to new once too . It i <. s one you l a—%B/ en ' •(:•. beye: r-1 LASi4-11c:t . G . TOTMANe We have 1-) een L.t =si rio. i t. " D . CHATTERTON : No „ don 7 t. yoL.t remesnber bacle wh, er•) t.: he i cadge : had •th (.M. probl em wJe di dn ' t hC-AVe. a re) V C': r•• LtsI ter'• s " ' 1 4" u (.-z W � • % • r� a c rt_tsyheyr r'•towJ �.; t: Iteri cl :i. do he:: '✓ _ < , , wJe hi : . c arid was wi. ]. 1 go al. os-Ig With voLt and work with •✓ ou . G . WOOD : Ye <� q you :Kr e r i. ghit . Dut 'that. i a :l e o ea •vi dence we di d ttak: e a batc: l••) to the Court 1) ef ore:r . We had Ed tli. l l er in West. Groton . We took: him to Court , he pled guilty and that ' s where: it = top = then whiat do you do with h; i rn . TI-tie cot_trt:. cart o n I y f i rie h-si m . G . TOTMAN : That ' <_=s one I was getting at , David . That quy p ]. eli gUi lt:. y „ I-Be has cars all over the place . You 'live next. door -to Him and YOU have an unlicensed car out: there . I ' ll. 'tell vouq if yoLt take taint: t. 0 court You will wain as; long as t. hiat. guy has his care oL.tt there . G . WOOD : So What is:. your feeling , George ., was sI"ioul d stop doing it '? Page _.. 1. 8 TOWN (Yd Gr"Z 'jTOI`•.l F' I__ A1`• N1 I1'•dG BOARD 1'•10V E #''# I'( F.: R ? s a 1. 99c::� G . TOTMAN » No , 1: ' m riot saying tl .iat . I say we shOuld c� et thine bigger- gt_ty ::> c_ir ( a :L ea CIO back and change -thy: nr- dirianc e . Do _:. ogle ti :irta . G . WOOD : Maybe the ordinance asants: to be ch {ranged in this r- e! 5p : c: t . Yot_t might wiz.trot to r- ecommer-id to -the Town Board to chanqe that to one uc= hi. cIe Bt_tt. aside from t: hiat . . .. D . CHATTERTON : ', A I (D of people do hia •re ;:1 car they t_tts> E? in tlt �. wintertime , like t: er_: i. l wit1 ..i tiise sm (:jt. or- #iomr.r . M . CAREYe HOW Ed) Oc.tt when you kat.A -V a new car- and they vion ' t give. yOU r_t rood tr- ade in on -.i. t and YOU pt_tt:. it ot_tt f r- ont with ra For-- St_tl e sign on it '? G . WOOD : We have npv er- bother- ed anybody for a car -that has set ctut i. n -the yar• d for- a wl...silerg e r.:itecially with a #= or• Sale, sign on it . S . CLARK". lalhier- e MDUl. d a change like -that start fr- om ? G . TOTMANO. This. Board, right her- ea . G . WOODo t:ln (-:� other- Point I want to Make , YOU arE'e not l aCk: i nrf in :1. eygi slOtt. :i. on . The1 :� t�ss z:ar c� there . 1" hc� Problem is the er , fr_arc- E� rior� t of -them . We have gone troth r- Gutes . Wc: hi (4ave gone -to the ZE(AN I gave you some e:>( afyipl. ei:.: that didn ' t no very far - . r not. hier classic is Whites out on Per- u Rd . He anent. Lar-_' for- e thie Z 9 A aKnd came in with a w41oIce t) unch of farm ceenses fcir all s vehiic: Ies . S . CLARK: 1.•4caw did he net.: f awful :I. i ceri <._. esl You have:' to have acre4age ,. G . WOOD : I•Ae ' hart <.:; something like f Ot_tr acrcrk> . If y (:Dt_t are l oo6:: i ng at unrde ( :iisst. eredq that threw that ot..tt . It is a tot..ighi -thing to enforce . W+ 4 licave been to the Court . The Justice W81 pol c says ,, ' I care ' t fine the (ii i f they ar- e indigent ', and I. think: hie said hie couldn ' t throw them in jai 1 . :L can ' t remember for, SUr• e itbOUt:. -1-.J•) at . l' hc r� juSt citing namestier e ., whatc:! (a vOt_t ciO asi t. h someone like Den Son '? G . TOTMAN : 1- e i. s j t_tst. as gt .t i :L ty as:. •t. hie quy wi. •t !i one car because the ordi naric: e says , I think , <. omc-et hi ng aL:ic.: Ut. rriachi nery that. :is not moved in 0*1 years ti. ma_� . I wOt..tld have to look: it t..tp „ !aat: my r- ecollcepct.: i. r_tn tells me if it is not. moved once'' Over- a given fair- m -year -then it. is decl <alr - ed junk . M . CAREYe A fai it- (n 'yGyar Ct:tli start. at: an :' time . G . TOTMAN : I k: riow „ L-it_tt. if you have ran old hay baler that you use once at year- it is- not j t_tnI... but if it s :i tr> there year of to r� year, then it is i unk.4 G . WOOD : I am q (:) I rig to take �. oul c; c. i dance and start with the bad ones9 as (:Jr- I•; on t. h (-) se <".arid never- riiinc_l to. he (Yi ss . Heyori (A that if You have airEy words of asisdomq I ' ('ti r- ecepti . e . G . TOTMAN : Would , it be agreeable to the Board if we Said we aren ' t going to gain anything mor- e by tiztki ng this over.. .the coals- -tonight and everyltody go back- and take a good solid loot:: at the Or- dinan (:: e :and maybe asc:. (::: an dome t_tp with, some ideas eas> to Trial :: e s: OMe StAggeSt.A ot; s to c: l. car :i. f y •t. hiat bett er- Page ] u TOWN OF t. Ro I CPub PLANNING BOARD NOVE1JIl ( CER 15 , 1. 99C) i ...� o that we get rid (.if _i unk j t..tn1• ar• ot_tnd the 'Town bt..tt vet not be unrea sonabl e for people who witrit•. to have extra car , winter rat. , or wliat. e•ver . D . CHATTERTON : What wot..tl d happen if we said people were al. l owed one •✓ eh i c 1. e ? Go TOTMANa It would have to be from the Planning Hoarc::l t: o t 1- 1e '1 c:awn Boarc:l , r tiat. ' LAJhy l: sa % l. 00l•c at. the ordinarlc: e grid ccamc_ t .tP we :i t. t1 some good 1BUggeStionso �„ he new orciinarsce that is in the printers now i be :i. r•1 ( i done in n loose ose leaf form so :if- we make any only have to change the one ;page . So l. or._1i :: it over and hopefully by spring we waill have something to prei-r.- ent. to I.-J--te Town Board . NYF'F Seminar So CLARk: . T iust war•1 't. •17. 0 =.: aV9 1 hF-.td :_t beautifule ? ; i :Serittriced I w �tG7ri ' t. al .& that (=? xcited about: going , 1 wanted t:. o go but there are t:tl. ways other things to do „ My wai. f e werit along ws :i. t. h me and she had an enjoyable time . l tried to plan iyr-,, ti fries l attended ever• •y s•essi (:an q wdt•il cl-i 1 C1t_tec=t 1 r-al ' t CI CanC-.' by everybody bt..tt probably because it was smy -f i. r st one l: did . l really went after the SEI;? l�; �i< E.al3r..: t: of i. t. beC. at..ts- e;� l wa <.:a le al 1 y cc} nf USed on that aspect mainly because i wras a new member 13 1 had two sessions 1 sat thr- ot..tgh on SEOR 1: don ' t. 1-:: now t whole lot more thttrl 1 did but 1 do understand it at bit better "r* h (.:? s, e .:arc:: all the book.- s was clot , and we got a :lot (-if them . r •t.. 1'•• ai ned evc-;fr -%Y ini n (_lte that we 6Ver- e there and they wined ne•? d and dined US Very (:Icaod and l _i t..ts •t: tAjoul d rec (:) mmend i t very highly another year if anybody can f i rid the t. :i m ( a orf i. t the -time in becauc., ea it makes t:. hi. s. Very muCJ mor e Understanding ,, l: went to the; rc_•at.. nd table secisi. ons_s at lunch whi c- h were very_ i. of c:sr- mat i •ve a Yot..t" (drat involved in them and asked clue <st i ons n A lot o •f different ideas are p +.tt•. forth , Whether we (_:let that•. far- or riot l don ' t 1--- now i:aut we s. ho►..t .l d at some point . Do CHATTERTON : We " (:lo tend -Lo r- eact:. ins -Lead (:af plan Go TOTMANe Some c } f the things in the waork: s: . . . some planning b (:) ar• c:iss me_, et t. wi. ce a month Otri (::l t: t1c s: fond meet:. :i ricl of the mon •1:: 1-i :i r� for planning . Thev di. '✓ fuses what problems they lnight be having ,, where things- are at. i. n the •t. own . l ookei ng to the f ut. (_( rr-:y , wa1-1at thi nr_-Is <. 1••io(_( 1 d was be planning for , should tt-t i n g s be changed ° . n the ordinance? . Y (:+ (_( are suppose to al wa ,:tys Lie 1. o0k: i r: e1 to ul::adat. :ir•ig the Fall master - pl. art !:-� st•1ot..tl. c..1 l::aes updated cai✓ ery five nears „ 11-1i s was o1 ie-a of t.le::' better conferences 1. 1•-taVe been to in FaaC t yt.narse Sheldon cause on board last May and T was very eencot..traged to sr-_' e him (: o to this ! con + erer'ic. e arid (Tore e:' nc: ouraged to '..See I z ref=ict: l ( aSlstl lt is very beneficial for the members- of the board to floe r'-' l <-trini ng Board d meeting was ad i ourned on m (.:) t i on of George VanSl yke !:sec: orld bNY , Cecil Twi gg ,. The next reclt_tl ar meeting c:af the P l anrii na Bfaar•• d will i:ae Thursdays, December .� _} , l �' 9 ( a „ 8 . 00 p . m . Page 2 '