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TOWN OR GRO 'T' ON
PLANNING BOARD
THURSDAY October 18 , 1Q913q 8 : ciri P . M „
BOARD PUBLIC !✓RESENT
#G mc: � t Officer
i cereorce Totnan , Chairman Gary � u : dq Code = ifurce _
Cecil. Twi cog Jeff �< Li 1' :re =ccst_ t_ q Salt Rri .
* Ver• l Rari k i n Uc , l ar• i e 1"" avEln , Hr oaan Rd .
* Monica Carey
* David Chatterton
*George :lan Sl yke
* Sheldon Claw - le
t4• pr• esent1 !'
George Tatman , Chairman , opened -the Pl. mini : ig Board meeting
at 8 "01.5 p . sr, . ` Ap �., rc; �✓ w:� 1 of tk3e Septerfilsc�r „ 1S' �' r"� rninc_itc: c; ia :� !- -tabled ...crrtil the
Nc:vember meeting to al. lovi the Board time to read them .
SPECIAL PERMIT reguest .... by ._ Jef freY._ Trescot for the corner _ of _. Rte- 222 _ and
Salt _Rd . , .. __ Town of Groton
J . TRESCOT : There is a cr.:supl E! of things s I woc.c :l d like to do . I ClUec: S I
WCOU1 d du :Lt. informally at this point to see what I havve to do , wh-, at '
invoIved . I ' haw.? the Trc. Ck Stop at the cc:tr- ner of Salt Rd . and Rte 2'2. 1
woc_c :l. d 1 i ke t:. o add a <.: hop c7rito t: 4 ie L, �:, c 1 :: c rf the hc_c :i. :l r..l i rig . r=1 : rather 7 ;' :; �, i�
attached L-, i..ci I di. rzc} to t.: h•ic: p
jp- esent b4ci 1. ci :L ng for a 6 ksa ; repair shop .
D . CHATTERTON . YciU < ; :1. rer, cl , ha •vee a repair shop there ?
Jo TRESCOT : There :is Est 4 - bay re :, ai. r shop tk••, ere now .
M . CAREY : Yc: u want to acid ari additional 6 - bays "
J . TRESCOT : U!1••iat I would 1 i l:: e -to do is use what :is currently there for
c_ .L can c_ip on i ncom :i. nc.i ✓ ehi. c. l esv and then have the repair shop in the new 6 -
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G . TOTMAN : Will -this be for- mcsre than iUS.'' t the repair of the vet-, isles
t-soi_cg1••it: and sold :� t. you premises ?
J . TRESCOT : I •t c,%ai. 11 be a commercial operation .
G . TOTMAN : 'f c.:st_t dun ' t. have ari y I ayoi.it:. of where it is; c:7cai nc;1 toE� r::� ='
J . TRESCOT : Pilo , I really don " t . l: t :L =s going to extend dir ec t: ly from the
h :..cil. ding -that_ is there now . It i hr_iul. d pi_it rric. about 100 feet from the bac: 6:
border .
G . TOTMAN : 1 ' gcce Sr q if I am read i. rig you correct I y •th: en to clarify it
for the Board , what we are here to do :i. izi look: at -the Piro � ect as bLtSi n_� s:siz:
type thing , not so much where the building is going to be or how it i Gc;
goi, ng to be bi_ci l •t:�. q tacit•. to approve thie b r-.. i nes--v: :itself arid what impact. it is
go :i rig to have on ' the cozirru_ini ty" Or; ce aac•• approve that , then the bUi. 1. r_1i. ng
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TOW1q OF GROTON F' L- t•; 1�11qI. I•%aGa BOARD OCTOBER 18 , 1990
itself will be -turned over for ::approval t.iy the Code Enf Orcre :rtent: O •f f i. c: er .
So that everybody understands what we are talking abc, Ut .
What vie are gOi ng to l tank: at i s ulcaul d come ;-trader the Site -- Plan FReN.si ew
Pa,_ cac_•: es s . We wcsr..tl. c_i l. Or_, }; it over , •ta }:: e time to look ovel the property „ 1-; ci1. r.1
a ubIic- hear irig . . . !Fa
D . CHATTERTON , Isn ' t:. he just. ersparicii. rig ualtaL. he ' s_; already r.ot. ?
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G . TOTMAN : 1" c:? a point :i. #:: i. -thesametypeOf thi. rtci . ! le i. c1O i ng to
utili -26ve t: ltr area more rantl he is probabl ••, going to have more cars th; erer ,
more parking , more_ bi..tsAne_ ss activities , tie= is getting closer to the hOUE0
next door . . . I ' m not. saying 'Um agairir.t. :it but thecae are tl•iings use have to
1 ool•; at . We should have a detailed plan of what it is going to look l i lee
P
sO we c: art <_> i. t down at the nest meeting and ask: questions concerning i. t.: .
J . TRESCOT ' That is more of a long -- t. erm pl. ar; especially with the tirr; e cif
year* wee are coming into . I ant sure I wot..s1. dn ' t. (Jo anything before spring .
Therce is, sc:,mett; i r; g else going or, that I. wOul d like to
discuss ton i ght that is going to be fairly i. mmec_l i a •t: e and it is also going
to be tempic-ar ar yq prot) abI .Y a year tc I months . As YOU probably lonow there
is no l ongei a Ford dealer i. n Girs-a•ton . Dovi Motors. Of Cor tl G.tr; cl are i. n the
I:aao-• Ocess of being awarded the fr ;anchi se . If that does f i ni:al. .l •; , actual l y
hapF) Lan , Phi I Dovi. and I have tcal l•: ed aril he wsOul d l i ke t: O r- ern •t some <-space
fr_ cam me and put part Of the area . . . I have a sketch of what: we really usOuld
I i k: e to do . Th (-are are two c1r i. •slew ,-tys Off of Salt Rd . i ntc) •t !••te property now .
We would li. l.-%- to •ta }:: e thie area between -the two dri. veusays and gr- :-avel it for
part< i. a� c�i for• r- eua I' or- r-1 �:> . l" I tsar e Will k-ae r; O used r: k; i r_: l. e => there c� with the
c_ >ccept. i. on Of ',= (-ante fac- tort' purchac. ed vehi. r- les , at: my request . He wail. l be
rent. i. ng one Of f i c: e and tie will l, :_t •ty(-7 on ( spot in the <(. how room .
D . CHATTERTON SO yOU are saying he will be operating the agent- y Out Of
;' c� t_tr l Oc: at: i On :.
0 . TRESCOT : "l.. emporar i. l y . Fie will have the smallest. Ford dealership :in
the ujOr.• ld . The cwily othei thing , in addition to the additional parking , :is
f" c:,rd r- ec;i.teStS that they move tk; c:= sign temporarily to tk: :•:at: l o(-. ati. On .. The
ai i gri wcn.tl. d be i, srtrsted i. atel. y to the right Of the f i. r <.wt. dr .i veuaa %;' . There are
some pawler lines in there so we have to gnat NYSE &G there to tell. us exactly
wl ere• J. •t:. (61at••t g0 We know about where use wol.tl d l i I•-- e to ciO . There wi 11 t) e
can increasei in lighting , the sign is generally On all. night ..
M . CAREY : This wool. cl ber the si cin that is. now on Rte '=:122 at Groton
F" orcl ?
J . TRESCOT : Yes , Ford wOul. d move it c_sp there at l� or• d ' <- expense . F" orc..l
has approved the si. c ht . Dovi will be l ool< i ng for a more permar•tent si ciht •t in
-the Town of Gr ot,on , whether it be on Rte 22 or Rte 38 . Them= ar eo a 1. Ot of
pros and cvor•s. uitietkier t. h; ev s• hou1 d tak: e ov (_? r the old bui l tali ►-act or- whether
the •V1 should d build l d a a i �ezu! one , That i s uj.-a to Ph i. l and what he•"- would d I i k: e -to
do with :it . I personal l y Would l i k; e to see him on the corner of "? 2 and
Salt Rd . On 11r . gown ' s I.} r- operty , but . . . I think: Phil is leaning to
L)Uilc:.ling or; new property bec: i_ausc_' of the DEC problems , }:problems with
drainage , probl. esr s with -the Ford store being -there as long as. it has- and
wk; at ' s i. i, the soil If tie buys that , what F:: i. nd of can of usorrn <.:. It : tr; he
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opened c.tp before he gr--.= ts tart (:? d . But , again , that is ut_? -to him and
�> C? r» etF � irig he will have to pursue :Later . Pit the moment he has. no property
purchase_ , no (:ptions on any , he hal t. alE:: ed 1: o a number.. of people . This iS
a s •t:: op - cap, t. Fiing for- pr- obably a year to 18 months . If he finds some
pr• eapei� ty by next s-.i.cmme. r- , maybe he would have Something Up by next fall . if
not , T don ' •t•:. thi. nl< t. hi. 5 winter Fie i ri gcii. rig to be l ool•:: i. ng real Seri. OUSl. y at
proper- ty while the snow is on the qr- OUnd .
G . TOTMAPl . :C guE: Ews what we are talking about is:-; two proposal s3 . The
fir-cA proposal was to add r_? nt.: o the building ., exp ;�Ftnd the busiriess . TF•te
second pr- c?po !:s al. was to do somethi. rig different that what the businesr-•- iS now
closing . Actt..cally , for- the record , we shot_c d -tr- eat. -them a two complete
s. epar- matte things .
Board agreed , tl...iey ar- e two pr- opc? salS to be !candled
G . VanSLYKE . .1 t-s :: ve one CiUfR5 •t i on „ YOU SiRi d you were going to gravel i ri
t. h :i re sec. ti on here . I don ' t know i f •you remember- when the •i ad wa =_> gc? i ng to
161ave t_ Fie r- es, tauir- c-int. q a Pepsi trLAC1'-- got: bLAr- :i ed :in that Section ?
J . TRESCOT . 1 6; now , we clot is w heel< er• stucl<: oast. baClc in the s.nprginq .
G . VanSLYKE . What. 1 arrif a <_J:: i nq then . i S -this going to be Con ••rersi e:.- nt. ? fire
yoc..c going -to be. able to get enouc;{ Fi gr- aVel in there to mai•:: e that SO you Can
1_? ar- k cars• on that ?
J . TRESCOT . :I: Have. had a I i t U. e done al. on t. h i s area ear l y ttii !.. Summer .
WE' ClUg up a lot of top <sal i. 1 .
G . UanSLYk:E . What l am < a Y i ng i f ghat :i. S wet enoc-cgh and YOU p Ut a lot of
carS on :i. t . . .
J . TRESCOT . We Can ' t_ go on the gr- �z =iS , 1 know what happens , we -tried
that .
G . TOTMAN . ID VOU haVE1 e1 time limit f c_? r when this has to be approved `:
J . TRESCOT . I woul. d l J. F% e t:. o get rtpprovaI to the D o v i ' s a soon El CS
<- < �.
possible ^. �• e t 1-. ( ? (•? Lit �? f? r wCi {'- l•:: :i. 'si y t? -.0 r' r_I . l: q l.t t- .-. .S whatever ct t (_ ,! l�•r y C?Gl (=: {3t n do 1 <.=
what you can do „ !-le ha ! do get the d / b / a Corporation from Dovi. Motor =. and
you can ' t do that l oc: al. l y anymore , yc.! u have to go through Albany and thi7ilt
wei. 3. l. tae 4 te? Ea vie ek: sl; he Can ' t apply his for his dealer ' s license frOrr3
Ford be4: or- (= he ctets hic CD from Albany for the (cCnr �? C; r �:� t:. iort ,; �. o that is
anothE-: rj 4 to 6 wac� ek: !- . SO anyti•ii. ng pcits cr.' erything off ,.
Be TOTMAtd . Fic-As -to have thi sai f i. r•• <.a t: ?
J . TRESCOT . He shoulCl have •thiS f :irSt .
G . TOTMAPl4 Sec� i. f 1 am reading you corr- ectly , it i c; going t. c? bc-� l i l•:: e <_r
":3 'taC:{ :lnq r-area for lti S car- '. •:?
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J . TRESCOT : Basically , it is going �oi. nc: c <_s to be new r storage ,, l iea e is- going to ,I
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havEi? %Joe working as a salesman there , he is going to c: c:)nt1 nt_te all -t. hea
ser" vice in his shsnap in Cortland ,, then only thing he is going to have thermef.:a I
:i. <.s new vehicles par4:.-ed there , the Ford sign . It. will. I-:: ind of be a pretend
Ford store until he can fired some land and start something of his own . As
c.c.rort as he finds 1 and a he can put up art caf f i. ce' R even a trailer for' is 1
temporary ' office , Ford has approved him to do that . So i. f he finds 1. and
and can qet some gravc:.- 1l clown , I got:. to bel. 1 eve it is a o i r? g to be at. least a
em
M . CAREYO. Hc.rw fct :_tr'ty nr-..� w r_' ar" <s i s he going to have, there ?
J . TRESCOTu.' AL) out: 45 , that space is. bigger than it l ool.:es like and i. t:
w :i. 1 l be t i gh 't. and -they will have to a lot. of shifting to get. things crt..tt.
when they need i t .
G . TOTMAN : Right now there i s perm :i. s. si on gr- Oint ed f r_•rr that. land 'to have
used truck sales there . The yue <.:wtion is do we tyarik to c: h� ; � nge it form used
trt_tr_ le and rot ew car sales there . At the present time he is not ask:: i. ng for" a
new building . There will be more traffic , there will be many , many more
curs ., there will l. l. not be any more junk: C: 2ar" ri or cars s for- red ? a1r" . SOfiiC? t. 1me �s
we h-save public t: e <'_tringc.n . . .
D . CHATTERTONo A : 1 c:rng as i t. i s a temporary si tt_tat_ i. can do tacr need < , hearing ?
G . TOTMAN : That. i s wl-ta 't: I was get. t'. i. ng at. . I here i s ;_s lroseme' tr :i 1. i. t. y4 :i. f
there :i. s no real objections here to it , -to get this moving to give <a
temporary e >: tensi cart t c� the present esr-_ant. permit to a1 l city hi rrt 'l" ci have a =, a1. es lot
for one year to be renewed . TI"te otl-ter project l le is tall•:: i. ng aticrt_tt he= cars
bring (tack:: in tar- it. ing with more de 't: ail. . My st..tggestiort wot_tici br--_� tc� tari. te a
letter with what YOU want. to do , do a s, k:: etch of wh ._s ;:: you are going
to be doing as. how far f rc..rm side lot line , how many cars will be there , I iota
marry c �ars YOU think: YOU can live with i that are i noper' abl e and c ic.Otn lot. be
seer; froffs the r- (-jad and the Board will take_ it from there .
J . TRESCOT4 The t:. h'ting that concerns me about the approval is the sign
with the light . I wi 1 1. I.re very y h < ipp �; t: c.r have :i. t.: . != hen we tal k:: ed al.:� out.
this a year ago'; 1: wanted to put up a couple of lights which i I hRven ' t done
yet. . This. l :i. ght'. will makea cloud ni. aht. l i g h t wI...Ii ch 1 don ' t. have r'tow .
G . TOTMAN : ale:` do have a sign or- d i. n nice which i has to be taken Grp with
-the Code Enforcement Officer .
D . CHATTERTON : You don ' t have any night lights Up there ?
J . TRESCOT : •rl.'ter' e is one and it does <_s f ai. r' 'to poor job .
G . TOTMANe YC) U are or't the corner there SO you ha'`✓ e to be careful . Of
c..: ot_trse the more 1 ';i. ght yot_t can get on the corner c.: an be goc-) d .
J . TRESCOT : The way 1 sera= it the more light on the corner ner the more
pe— Opl. e will t:. s_il•ce note of -the stop sign there .
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G . TOTMANO. I c7c_cc.:: s it: is debatable on that kind of corner- whether- it is
better- t o ,, ha%.eea light !.. there oir. no .r . I heat:. i gr , c1oc � cs 1. i. citi L up lot and yc ) � .c
want to Make SUre it doesn ' t blind somebody approacl-, i nc the corner- .
do TRESCOT : I ' m trying t_ c) think.- hc.:) w it is. far_: inc now and I think it. will I
re (r, <ai. n in tt-, at posi. t. i on0 it will be paral I el to t: he Salt Rd . It. w i I I be
bar_• 1 :: off the road . The big one that says " Ford " .
V . RANKIN : Is that. <._.J. gn legal now , will it me et the ssi gr, r• egc_cI ati onss"il
G . WOOD : It was pest Up before I came on board . I <.sc_c =. pect that it.
WOUl. d rnee= t the ordinance .
D . CHATTERTON : It can be looked ed at: as a tempor- ary situation .
J . TRESCOT : Phil will need < , small sign can that. says " Dovi Motors " on hit---.,
window t. o satisfy motor vehicle and also I have c.- on = i. cier- c-3d pUtt i ng up a
peal:: sign whi cl-, would have both name = on i. t .
G . WOODa That•, begins to like_., something that may beyoi...id the sign
C:) r- di riance:a .
,I . TRESCOT : He 1-ias! t•. c ) have some dessi gnat i on to sat. i c. fy -the Depar� tment of
1Vlot. or Ve:�� l-, i c: .l eS ass + ar- ass 0 si gn . Accorr..li rig to -them we can do it :i n the
same faci1. ityi. f we have different entr- aricess , which was nave . So he has to
have. _ c) rr, c:. r.:, xi : c! of sign. gn t:. P er• e to :identify him to 1•: cr.sep Motor- Vehicle Happy .
D . CHATTERTON : : It is i ntcer- esti ng that Ford Motor- Company is willing to do
that. to l ; c : ep t1 "se Ford name in Groton .
J . TRESCOT : I tf, i. nk. they very badly wart to keep the Ford name in Groton
c.)n a permanei-, t. basis . I don ' t k: now if -any{ of w u_c 1•onow the Dovi ' s bUt I
t.hi. nl:: they have t:. l••, e fi. nC-4 t =_. er- vi. c_ e repUtat. ion of any new car- dealer- within
0 ma l es of hers-' .
G . TOTMAN : Hehastwo pr- opo <.-sal s. . One f or t: 1 _, e e ; t_ enss :i on of the garage
has to come bar_ l•. -to the Board in written detail . The other- propos- al is
as6:: i ng if he can add new car sales to the sale of Uc; ed trucl•:: e there and
have a terriporar - bl_1 ine ':: s there for a
When yoc..c get, ready for- the c:sther- pr- oposal , pUt i. t in war- i t i gig
and get i t :ti ...i , �tc_ r'rr days before thethemeet. i ng the Board w� oc_cl. d receive i t bef or c
the meeting and at the meeting WOUld be prepared -to a £: {•:: questions .
D . CHATTERTON : .T. !w" t h i. ss going to affect your be.cei. nes 5 after- Dovi gets
establish there ' '
J . TRESCOT : l... e-t ' S pc..ct a. t: t: hi =_: way , my bL(Si. nestM, wac:s za+ fect. ed ,•when Groton
!^ or• d closed bUt nc) t positively . People coming f r- om Cor- tland ei t. l-) er r.sever
made: it to Gr- oton 'Ford or- utopped on their- way bac !•: . T, definitely noticed
a di f f er- enc: e . I •tlii. nk this will , •i: emporari l y at:. I easnt , pc_ct c_cc:. c.:)n thv.-.sm map
ber._• ausse we wi l l hay✓ e t o bee involved in all the advertising . We will have
to work: c_cp an pr- ogr- am so t. hat people i_tr., der--. t:. and -: hat there -- roe
two distinct IDL( Si ncc=-. ssess the:- re . He J. ss not goi. rig to f ., ave ar, v c_cc. e=; d
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'T' OWN , OF GROTON Pl.()1+ N I NG BOARD OCT' OBER 18 , 1 S' 9 i
rehi. c. I e <.: - here othr, r thanthe factory ps..sr chaesed ✓ caFEi c 1 e . They wl :i 11 get
ti adr_-. d i n '', and go to Cort 1. arid .
V . RANk: IN . He is =_ss_sr•• c:? he has t. l--te Ford decal ers !••si p ?
J . TRESCOT.,: He has gotten verbal approval. f r 0 M I:+ s.. + fFt10 It is never
done and over With Until YOU have that piece of paper .
D . CHATTERTON . Wos..sl. d he bring his Linc: oln / MerCUry franchise over
J . TRESCOT . '? The Li ncol s-, ! Mew c.. t_sr •y f raric.—hi se in the Cort. :l and areaq To caf
Groton is part of their f ranchii se area , So in 't:. heor 'y they c: oe.sl d . Dtist t. hev
are not going to leave where they have bear, fear 4 %. 'ye ar• =. . Once they get
established : over here and get.: a piece of property arid cmer' :i csc.0 room i t
waouldn ' t shock men a lot: to roes sie_wa Li. ncolnC. and I'dlercur i. es c:, '• eir' her- eu it: is
goi nc:1 to be sn :_ti n :l. y a For'. d 15t or e and the reason t. he% are doing it is for' the
Ford trc_sc1-: s and the low -- end car r.:
G . TOTMAN . TFlank: you Jeff q we wi I I IEt YOU know what the Board
dec: i deg=. .
RURAL_.. SUHDI. VISION_ prop o al __ by__ aosa /.Pavian _ 1. ocated _ on ._.. Brown ._ RdTown _._ of .._
Grot.on ,_ .__Tax __Map _No -_ ?4- 1 ._ ''? __
G . TOTMAN . Everybody got in -the mail the proposal for a sUbdi vi =_> i on on
Brown Rd . AS I. Understand it n they have sold off two parcels of land arid
now a person wants to bc..cv a third parcel and pact a residential unit there .
It c: ome5 undtar "'. t. he .. cning ordinance now becaUse :it is more than two . Thiey
dial not realize that they had to Subdivide s..sr til he carsic: to applv for a
I:ac..si I c::li ng permit arid it was 't. he:, tl- ii rd parcc :.11 so that is the reason it i
M . CAREY . They all have '. 00 feet of road frontage .
G . TOTMAN . It has been rioters as a Rural SUbdi vi si on becac_t =_. e :it is all
over five acres rid the lots all ha e .k6'.')"s feet of road f rontagea . Lot I''xlo .
i. !e> the one in c:lUestiori now . The other twsc_, have already been sold .
V . PAVAN . I own one of the 1. cst. s .
G . TOTMAN . F+ c.st-. it has been divided . Whether it is Sold or not it i. s
s 'ti l l separate l':. a > rILAmbers . Accorc! inci to the records i. t. has already been
deedeaci .
SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM
vC w.{ as f i. l I ear.# as..ct by owner
Ear_t _ I I. 1. reviewed by t. 4 ie Board
Aa Ac.-A-- :ion Exceed any Type 1 threshold NO
Do Will ' Action Receive Coordir•sat: ed
Review NO
co Cos_cl d action resUl t in ANY adverse
Effects C1 to Cf NO
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TOWN OF t.ROTON PLANN116%IG BPAIRD OC:`. TOBE= R 18 , 1. 99 ()
C I _ negative e. ffec: J,:. s „ for r' ca =. a dent ial
pswsrpose , %-tlI m (.-)r- e than 1. acre and
i t. f i is i n with the c. ompr- et yens i vc::
pil. an cif -the? ..s_ ocr:+ s-s I
C .^•_ — it does ?'tot appear to
C,3 they wi1. 1 remain Open e >cr_ ept for-
r- esidential. activity
t 4 - :i. t fol. l ows4n. the adopted ordinance
in conjunction with the general.
plar-e of -'.-- he Town
C5 - i c: this going to change tl-tE: general.
character of -the neighborhood ? at.
present the general character of the
neighborhood' if in s..srfUS abl e ag district
and been changing to residential
and follows the general plan of the
town
C6 - nonce,
C67 - no other impac.:: ts
Do I M -ther' e any cont. rovereSy r el at. ed to
potential adverse environmental impacts: NO
part III Determination of Significance
The Board determined based on the information and asral vei = of
!= alo- t. I zinc[ 1 z-tr•• t. II and any ss_tppOrti ng docs_smentat :i on 9 that the pr opo =:ecl
action !MILL NOT result in any si gn i f i cant adverse environmental i. mpact. = and
declare a NEGATIVE IMPACT .
G . TOTMAN : We have to i dE._ nt :i. f v what kind of se_sbdi vi. s :i on this J s .
George VanSlyke rude the 110TION the Planning [:ward declare
the proposed > Ubd i %v-t i. si or-t of I ; OSA ! E' E VAN located on Brown Rd . in the Tosrirl of
Groton , Tam Map No ., as a RURAL I:aUBDIVI " TON a = the parc.• el. s are al. I
(:aver-- five ace: rep.: of land with-e '20' i foot of road frontage c:tt:ar_. h , Verl Rankin
second the (notion,
VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR
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MOTION CARRIED
G . TOTMAN : Any other- cls_sestions ? If not !, vie have to decide iojhic•: h form
we warit. 'to t_ aE:: e . ' Do vie go the short. form and rc..cl. e on i. t tonight or notify
they neighbor- s and ,hold ra public hear i. ng `?
V . RANKIN ". What already has gone in there hasn ' t hurt anybody yet. .
M . CAREY : There are hos_s <ses on both sides of the property ,
G . TOTMANe The ': :i ct= est hr.use to the proposied lot is her h-eOi.cse .
V . PAVAN : 'Yes , "Lowry 1-tas bos_sght:. this parcel and put zi mobi. 1 e I-Some in
-. here .
V . RANKIN : Th erfe i r:: a trailer on one side Of the property , rat house on
the other side Of the property and acro =_, s the road a nice trailer and that
i. :> i. t .
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D . CHATTERTON . You have snore land for sale, after- -this transaction".'
V . PAVANa `, I0%Ju , -this is it .
G . TOTMANO. Let me point out. ., -this land is in i your name now ., ri chit
hecaul .-.e this piece o4: property has changed hands in the :last few year:
quite of {ePH
V . PAVANe Yes , it ' s- in my nasrie .
V . RANKIN . YOU have -the deed and yore own the property .
V . PAVAN : Yes .
G . TOTMAN : If we approve or disapprove anything it will be frorn t hi r.;
surveyr snap . My question is if you take l. ot one , two and three and ,:.add Lip
the acres that: ar- e in them and then 1ucr6:: at what the tax m :ap ' aye %rOU have .,
t:. l iev are not '' the sarne .
V . PAVANe I know , twt this is what the surveyor surveyed .
G . TOTMAN : The sr..rr yey -that YOU have f ot..rr or five acres more than
the tat; map show
G . VanSLYKE : Tlie tat: map says 1 . . 5 and the sr..rrvey map says 220 . 48 .
V . RANKIN . Most: tax maps are not all that accurate .
G . TOTMAN : .1 bring it. up becau ie �,� he might alar, t -to I ook� into -to see .
Usr_ral 1 y the surveys are right "
G . WOOD : 7' t , at surv (--.1yor c.rsc.Ial. l y goes to the center line of the road
where he sr_tr- vey s .
Ve'rl Rankin made the MOTION -the Planning Board proceed with
the short form and proceed wi thocrt a pUbl i c..: hearing in the propo <sed RURAL
S (JBDIVISION of ROSA { PAVAN located on Brown Rd . , Town of Groton . Tam Map No .
and APPROVE the Rt..JRAt_ SUBDIVISION as presentedq Monica Carey secured
the motion .
VOTEN ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED
SPECIAL PERMIT _regcrest .....bY __Jeffrey .._ Trescot _ for the corner of Rte _ 222 and
Salt Rd .
of
G . WOOD reviewed the or :i gi nail Site - 1=' l an Review ew (_approval from the Pl arirti. ng
Board . T
G . TOTMAN : What wne have to decide on tonight is the proposal to put new
czars on -the lot , let: I7cr: i. run the office ,, and allow the sale of r ietar cars
along with used trucks . They =_aeem tea ayrc- e ore the year. spe=e_ i al per mi t .
Does anybody have anything against ghat `?
V . RANKIN : It i. s going to be a crorPided corner .
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D . CHATTERTON : But.: it is only temporary .
V . RANKIN : Next year they will probably y come in for another yerar ' s
rrermit .
G . WOOD : There is :l ess -than two acres -there .
Go TOTMAN : On 1 . 69 acres in a city or village yot..► could pack.- in ten
Mo CAREY : 45 new vehicles sitting t..► p tl ..{ ere9 that is a lot of cars in
that small area . 1: was wondering if we ►:� t: oul d put a restriction on how
many nee,+ cars should be sitting on that area ?
Go WOOD : l irist. ead o •f res tr :i. ct. i ng the ►umber of ••: eh i c-l es: what abot-tt
putting a restriction on how close to the property line: and the roadway
they can be located .
D . CHATTERTON : That: would protect the ad .j of n :i ng property owner .
Go VanSLYKE : We have never checkred with the person that lived :in the
hOUse it-► sat north Hof the property . That place would be impacted by this• .
Me CAREY : There icz qt..► ito a .large hedgerotika ther- Lan
G . VanSLYKE : For the whole ascetics of the whole t: hi. ng , it would be nice
if we could keep ;:, ' t. l gem up away f racy► that borderline. .
M . CAREY : Pie said he was going to park them bettraeen -the two driveways .
G . TOTMAN : Over- in Cortland Dovi ' s have 1 esm, land than that at and t-re h - s-
at. least c"r cars out. -there .
We can make a motion to approve or disapprove the c: oncf_ pt.
and 'then ptw► t the conditions on i. t .
David Chatterton made the motion the Planning 1+ oard APPROVE
-for•• a 1 ? month period a special permit. to Jeffrey 'T• rescot. -for the purpose
of selling new cars at hi. =: Used Car Dealership located at the corner of Rt .
'"22 and Salt Rd . in the "Gown of Groton providing -th-tic: new cars_:, be :
1. 0 Parked on the east side of the e .cii5iti. ng bt..tilding
Uri to but not into the road right - a -- way on Salt Rd .
:_!; „ Parked no fctr- ther coo ►_► th -than the north edge of the most
s:scSUt11erI %r driveway
4 . Par- lced no r_ :l os.-.ei than 50 feet sot_tth of the northern
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propert •;� line .
Monica Carey second the motion ,,
VOTE : TOTMAN , CAREY ,
CHATTERTON ,
VanSLYKEa CLARK - YES
RANKIN - NO
MOTION CARRIED
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OTHER BUSINESS
D . CHATTEkTON : Did Gary every clnecl:: that. property on Sal. t Rd . with j c.inl : and
used vehicles all c-troLAnd it , De Fore t Heal l ' s property ? The + i. rst place on
the right after the Old Stage Rd . and Salt: Rd .. intersection going north .
"There i q i to �� .j c_ r yar- d Up in i� tc: k: .
G . VanSLYKE l" hat i far rn mach i tier ,r LAP there , i. sni ' t i t 'ry
LETTER _ FROM_ VILLAGE _ OF_ GROTON. PLANNING_ HOARD
G . TOTMAN : We have received a letter from the Village of Groton
Planning [ward . They would like to get. together and di. scusG things . I
have no idea what they have in might . Tom Gui han mentioned i t to me abos..tt
getting tc:) geth'er .. I see nothing wrong with i t . Do you want to set a date
and 1 ' l l get together with Jim Allen to set an agenda ? Other- than the
regular meeting night what night is good for YOU people ?
D . CHATTERTON : Why don ' t:: we have it on the regal. i:-v . ineeti. ng night and start
earlier .
G . TOTMAN : 01:: ay , we will have the .joint meeting on Thursday , November•-
1 S „ 199c ? at 'i : 00 Puma m . and I will get: wi 1-. ha Ji. m Al :Len and <.�et the agenda and
wend it out to everybody and maybe vie can have r-- offec-ry and a snack
Sheldon Clark made the motion the Planning Board (nee -Ling be
adjourned .
'The next regular meeting will be held ThLArsday , November 155
1990 at f3 : �0 p . m . after a joint meeting wi. th the Village of Gr otcan Planning
Board on Ths_srr. dray , November 15 , 199Cr at 7a Of) p . cn
Respectfully submitted
1V1 rg,
et: (a . Palmer
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T0W1\1 0F GROTON
PLANNIINIG BOARD
'.. 1ftJRSD (-', T . Oct. t.3ber 18N 19 ') , 8: 0- 0 f "� . !'! .
BOARD PUPL I.0 PRESENT
George 'Tot. man , Chia :i. rmar+
Cecil. Twigg
Verl f: anb:: in
Monica Car- eY
David C1 ..iat:. ter- ton
George VanSI �� h:: e
Sheldon Cl ar 1.
i *Pr esent: ?
David Chatterton made the motion thr-..a F" l anni nq Board APPROVE
for a 12 ms.ont hs period a special I:r.armi t to Jeffrey Trescot: + or the PUrpojo fe
of ec� l 1. ing new r.. aris at his Used Car- Dealers=.hid loc= atcx� d at the corner of Rt .
' a and Salt Rd . in the Town of Groton p: rowi di rtg the new cars be "
1 . Parked on the eaet si. cic: of the exi. eting building
'. a lip; to butt: not :into t: l--ie road right. -- a - alt_cy on Salt Rd .
Parked no + Ur' t:. hf:� r SOUth than the r; ost soUtherIv
dr i v e w a y
4 . Parked no closer than 0 feet. - outhi of the northern
property line .
Monica Carey second the rac.:, tion.
VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION CARRIED