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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-08-16 , sa TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Thursday August 16q :lggon. ea. ctc_t P . M . BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT *George Totman , Chairman Merle I=' loss , Old Peruvi l 1 e Rd . * Cecil Twi gg Mr . and Mrs . William Ripley Verl Rar: k: in 40 Smith Rdo ow-Mon i c a Carey * David Chatt. ertor, George VanSl. yl :: e t *present ) George Totman , Chairman , opened the Planning Board meeting at O „ c_ 0 p . m . David Chatterton made the motion the minutes of the Jt..cl y 1990 Planning Board meeting he approved as presented and Cecil Twigg second the motion . SUBDIVISION_REVIEW Merle_W. _ and _ Lois_ M. _Flosss _ 12 _ Peruv_ ille_Rd . ,L, _ Town _ of _ Gr oton ._Ta>:. _Mao __No . _ 3b_ 1 -67 .2 no G . TOTMAN : Mr . Pl o <r> s , as I understand not 1•-%- nowi ngl y q sold a lot to his daughter and then sold another to someone named Mitchell and when the =.sec .. ond person applied for a building permit he found out that by selling the third lot off a parcel of land i. t becomes a subdi vi cz i ern . Apparently Mr . Pl. o =..s didn 't lnow -that . M . PLOSS : 11i tc: hel 1 ' s lot was the second one . G . TOTMAN : It sraloes three parcels . The original is one parcel , you sell (::) ne you have two parcels , you sell a second lot you have three parcels , that is wham_ triggers the subdivision . When you get all done with this there will be three parcels of land where there was only one before , correct ? M . PLOSS : Well , yea, the f4arm , yea . G . TOTMANO. So Mr . Mitchell had t_t problem getting a building permit . it is almost identical to -the situation you ran into last -tame on La -f ayette 1=; d . where Mr . Si. ckel s sold some land and when the buyer applied for a 11 building permit it ' fell :Into this same category . You got with your ma. nutes a copy of the tax map and where the two lots are . His daughter i. e. -the Newton lot and Mi. tchel l ' s lot :is east of her 1 ot. . D . CHATTERTON : Is this Rte 38 here G . TOTMAN : Yes . ' D . CHATTERTON : Where is -this l oc <_tted ? Page - 1 TOW !`••4 OF GRO 'TON PLANNING BOARD August 16 V 1990 G . TOTMAN : When YOU go South on Rte 8 the County Highway Department is right here ( to the east ) . D . CHATTERTON : 01:: ay . 11 G . TOTMAN : 'This i s 1 occnted on what i s cal. 1 ed the Old 1=' eru ✓ :i 1 1 e Rd . #=, o !-.te is asking for a Minor Subdivision and is here to answer any questions . The Board is to see whether they want to approve it , talk about it , do an environmental review on it . C . TWIGG : The lot is big enough „ right "? D . CHATTERTON : It ' s 220 feet , this Mitchell lot '? M . PLOSS : Mitchell ' s is just an acre You have the survey can :i t . Co TWIGG : It ° needs to be an acre , right , George ':' Be TOTMAN : Yes . Co TWIGG : They road frontage he has too . D . CHATTERTON : Looking at the map it looks l i E:: e ? 210 feet by , it ' s hard to reac:i . G . TOTMAN : I don ' t see the survey here . Do they have the Health Department ' s: approval for a septic ? M . PLOSS : Ili t c h e I I s '? I don ' t know , there are a Couple of buc !•: etS setting out there next to a couple of holes . They have a driveway . D . CHATTERTON : We can always approve it with the provision that he has the foot minimum , G . TOTMAN : The + r clad frontage on -the map shows '�' :=� � } feet . M . PLOSS : Mitchell must have brought her Survey in . G . TOTMAN : It is 200 foot of road frontage and 217 feet depth and Milton Greene the surveyor ways} it is one ;=icre . The parcels set out of this parcel were sold years gone by and are not considered in this . The one on the corner its the old school house . When Mr . Ploss bought the land the parcels along Rtc:. '.�, S were already mapped off , aS I understand it . Cecil. Taiigg made the MOTION the Planning board determine -the subdivision application of MERLE W . & LOIS M . PLOSS on Old Peruville Rd . Town of Groton Tay. Map No . 36 --- 1 -- 67 . y' i. s a MINOR SUBDIVISION , David Chatterton second the motion VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED Page - 2 TOWN OF GROTON Pl._. ANN I NG BOARD August t 6 5 1990 SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL_ ASSESSMENT FORM - � _ - uPar.t _ 1: _was �f :i l l ed �out �by owner Part_ _ III I reviewed by the Board _ ._ ._ An Action E :cceed any 'Type 1 threshold NO l-+ „ Will Action Receive Coordinated Rev ew NO C „ Could action result: in ANY adverse Effects C1. to C7 NO C1 negative effects „ for residential purpose surrounded by open fields C ^ -- it: does not appear to C - they/ will remain open except for residential activity C4 - it follows the adopted ordinance in conjunction with the general plan of -thee 'Town C5 the C. is riot going to change the general. character of the neighborhood D „ Is ^ there any controversy related to po -tential ;adverse environmental impacts NO Part _ III _ Dete`rmi. nat i on - a •f _ Si grii •f i canoe The Board determined based on the information and analysis of Part•. I and Part II arid any supporting documenti� tion , that the proposed action WILL NOT result in any significant adverse environmental impacts „ G . TOTMANa Mr . Floss ., or somebody , Dias supplied all -the names and addresses of all the adjoining property owners which would be a =tied if we decide we need a public: hearing on this . What is the Board ' s feelings . Cecil Twi gg made the MOTION the Planning Board proceed with the short form miner subdivision and as no controversy can be foreseen Proceed without a public hearing and approve the MINOR SUBDIVISION of MERLE W . ?: LOIS M . PL OSS for- Tax Map No . 36 - 1 - 67 . 2.1 David Chatterton second the mot: i on q VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED SITE_ PLAN_ REVIEW_ for _ a _ Retail _ Meat _ Sales_ by_ WILLIAM_ W . RIPLEY _ located _ at _ 617 _Per �� _Rd . � _Town _of _ Groton . G . TOTMANa Mr . Ripley , do you understand why you had to come in ? W . RIPLEYa Not exactly , I don ' t V:: now wheat. this Site Plan Review is . G . TOTMANa Did everyone get in the mail the letter by Mr . Ripley describing what i <.� ,ti appeni ng at the old Pnrtz 1 i ne Dairy b u i I di ng '-` Normally , i. n towns with ordinances ices a person would come to the board anti cask permi ssi on to start , something instead of starting and then come -to the board and slay this i, s what we are doing „ 11 MRS . RIPLEY : We went: to Ithaca and filled out the form for d / b / a and we a !-eked what. else wr--_ had to do and she said ' not a thing , this s ice all you have to do ' . Page - • , Y TOWN OF GROTON F' LANlq I NG BOARD August 9. b 4 1990 G . TOTMAN : As f ar as they were concerned . Every tows� and village has different rules and regulations . In the Town of Lansing right now there is no regulations. on' this but i. n the Town of Groton there is . A Site Plan Review ew i -to inform everybody what is going on in their neighborhood and so the town has some control. over what happens in -the town . What I ' d like to have you do is explain to the Board what you are doing . W . RIPLEY : I rented the empty building there and put a little retail meat shop in there . There was a cooler in there already running . MRS . RIPLEY : All:' we had to do was paint and clean . It was something that was needed . Everybody had talked about i. t . D . CHATTERTON : So ` you bring in the whole carcass and then cut it up ? W . RIPLEY : yes in MRS . RIPLEY : No . W . RIPLEY : I can either bring in sides or- quarters of already slaughtered animals or bo ced beef like Paul ' s does and work:: it up from there . MRS . RIPLEY : Right now we are just bringing in -the boned beef . We aren ' t doing any swinging meat or anything like that at this time . D . CHATTERTON : Is there a possibility that you may start doing that '? W . RIPLEY : Swinging beef ? D . CHATTERTON : Yes . '' W . RIPLEY : I would bring it in already slaughtered , I wouldn ' t do no slaughtering there , ' raio . That would tak:: e too muc i of an investment . G . TOTMAN : Basically , what you are talking about is just a retail. mark:: et . W . RIPLEY : Yes , ",a retail meat market . G . TOTMAN : Not whoI esaI e , j c_+ st retai 1 . W . RIPLEY : yes . 11 G . TOTMAN : And you have the Health Department ' s approval . W . RIPLEY : New York: State , yes . G . TOTMAN : Tompkins County Health Depz, rtment has been :in and chec: l:: ed :it all out and approved , it ? W . RIPLEY : As far , as I know they don ' t have any regulations on i t . Page - 4 60FOWN OF Gf OTON PLANNING BOARD August J. 6 g 1990 G . TOTMAN : It. is all pack- aged then ? W . RIPLEY : Ye's . G . TOTMAN : You dais " t unpackage anything . There is no edible -food touched by human hands , then ? W . RIPLEY : Certainly , yes . Be TOTMAN : Their• e i s . The County Health Department doesn ' t i-iave anything to do with it ? M . CAREY : They would be under New York: State Ag and MarketWe G . TOTMAN : I just wanted to make sure . MRS . RIPLEY : We had a slaughter house in Locke -that are worked at and the rules -there are a lot different than the rules Here . We are getting more involved . G . TOTMAN : What ; are the difference in the rules there and here ? MRS . RIPLEY : It CLAStom there ., we didn ' t have any rules . F" ar• merw: would bring their meet in and have it clone . Now this is all Has to be inspected and such . It ' s all ', different now . D . CHATTERTON : Is there the possibility you could expand into a deli idea with salads and -things l i l:: e that ? W . RIPLEY : Possibly sell a . . . . salad or something like -that . We have Cold Cuts and cheesed As far- as sandwiches and SUCh l i k: e -that no . MRS . RIPLEY : Right . now we have all. vie Can handle doing just because it :is just him and I thdree now . gettingJust : into a lot of expense and a lot of time we are getting t-tsed to what vie are now ., D . CHATTERTONQ You need to ach./ er•• ti se . MRS . RIPLEY : We have put- acts in the Shopper and people come in and. say they didn ' t see -them . They saw -the sign out in front „ G . TOTMAN : We give -the site plan approval here but when you want to put zt sign up you have to get a sign permit . MRS . P. IPLEYa That is' why we have a free standing sign now . W . RIPLEY : Do you have a pamphlet on that or something that has all this information- . G . TOTMAN : That yot.i would get from the Zoning Enforcement Officer- q Gar `{ Wood and because :it is a place of busi nesS under the New York State Building Codes the Zoning Officer hac=_• -to inspect it once a year- . Thaat has nothing -to do with this tonight but I think: you should know that . On a CocrMer- cial. building a -fire safety inspection has to be done once a year . Page - 5 TOWN OF GROTON PL. AN14lING BOARD August 1. 6 .1 1. 990 Does anybody{ have any questions about this ? C . TWIGG : There seems to be adequate parE ing . D . CHATTERTON : What about garbage , refuge ? W . RIPLEY : The bones and such are picked up by a rendering company and they dispose of them . G . TOTMAN : I would suggest tonight we send the application to the County along with Our comments . As I understand it if the County does riot agree with us and according to Sec - ion to 239 of ' he Municipal Law vie have to pass it with a ;+ 1. instead of a ma j or i ty . According to that law anything within 500 feet of a County or State highway or County or State building or park: the local municipality are suppose to send notification to the respective boards wi t. 1, their comments before they act on them . With that part: i. cul ar part. of the law if the other agency acts negative we can G.st i 1 1 pass it but we have to pass it with + 1 instead of a simple majority . If - here are no ft..trt. hEr comfy-tents I will entertain a motion . David Chatterton made the MOTI01'd the Planning Board approve the Site Plan Review application of WILL_ IAM RIPLEY for a Retail (neat Market located at: fat .` Peru Rd in the Town of Gr- o •t_ ony Monica Carey second the motion VOTED ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED SHORT _.ENVIRONMENTAL _ASSESSMENT .-FORM Par-t _ i was filled out by owner• Fart _ I T I r• evi ewed by the Board AU Action `. E :; ceed any 'Type 1 threshold NO BU Will Action Receive Coordinated Review NO co CCoul. d action result in ANY adverse Effects Cl -to Ce NO C1. - negative effects it does not appear to C3 -- negative effects C4 - it follows -the adopted or• dinanc-. e in conjunction with the general plan of -the 'T' own C a - thi re. i s not going to change the general. character of the neighborhood D . Is there ' any controversy related to potential adverse environmental. impacts NO 1 Part _ III _ Determination _ of Si 9ni f i. rrinc e The Board determined based on the information and analysis of 1 f= a is- t I and !Fart II and any supporting documentation , that the proposed action WILL NOT reet..+ l •t in any significant adverse environmental impacts . Page - 6 I TOWN OF GROTC, N PLANNING E40ARD August 16 , 1990 SUBDIVISION_ PRELIMINARY_ REVIEW_ of _.. nrop. erty _owned __ by __ HELEN _ LANE_ located _ on _ Bird ._.Cemeter.Y_ .....Rd . and __ W . __Grot.on __ Rd . _Tax __Mae _.No. _ 14 _._ 1 - 17 G . TOTMAN : I assumed someone was going to ' be here tonight . I assume if You reac_1 this you can i rt. er• pret it as saying this is being auctioned off if they buy it in =small enough lots they will be told before the bidding starts , if it falls within the jurisdiction of the Town: subdivision r- egul. at i. ons -they are buying it with advanced pretense that they have to get it subdivided . They are telling them up front that -they have to do t h i s . But i f they bUV it in big enough lot =, then i. t won ' t come to this Board " C . TWIGG : We got this prel i mi nc-Ary map last month at our meeting and didn ' t understand what. -they were doing with i t . It wasn ' t that clear" . D . CHATTERTON : They sell them in parcels or in their entirety . When they sell -them in parcels then that: is a major subdivision because there are seven parcels . G . TOTMAN : The people that buy them are told up front that they are s: ub j ect. to Planning . Board approval . D . CHATTERTON : Thera is nothing for us to do with it: then except -to be informed about it then ? G . TOTMAN : If someone should ask: you about what is happening ng up there you are aware what is happening . D . CHATTERTON : It do sn ' t look 1 :ilee there would be any problem . They all have adequate road fr- ontage . G . TOTMAN : They are all s acre lots on Bird Cemetery Rd . David Chatterton made the motion the meeting be adjourned George VanSlyke second the motion . Meeting 4Ja5 adjourned at 9 : 15 p . m . The next regUl ar meeting of the Planning Board will be held Thursday , September :? r) , 199C at 8 : 0C. p . m . Typed from a gape recording Respectfully , 4Margar t A . Pal mer Stenogr- apher.. I Page _ I i