HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989-02-16 ..I.. OWN OF:' GI.O41" (011
PL. AN11.1I N (:i BOARD
Pt.ib :l. i. (•.:: Hec-:tr :i nci . Tht_tr (ssc..lE-ity . F c- brt..tary 16 . 1. 989 '1 8 : 0() P . M .
MINING PERMIT r. egue�t from CORTLAND PAVING on land located on Clark
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St . Ext _ . Town of Groton . Tax Map No. . ib - 1 - 2 (0 .
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BOARD PUBLIC I C: PRESENT
•0- Gecir- 4e 'Totman . Chair- man Gary Wood . Code l nfor- c:: ement
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* l`1onic_ii.-t Carev (: ttrol hls.tr•• tcs , Dept..tty Town Clerk
-y- 1 ( i. 1. 1. . C=: as 01 Etr- at Leland Cor- r-tel i U !-:- . Tovin Hi. c;,ihvjav
* Davic-1 Chatterton St_tperir•it:. endert •t
rYaj •ii el Schaefer- . Emla ire Soils
' *ore <ss( � nt ) Steve f:imc) rt s . .421. Clark St . l. xt .
Guido l=' etrella . 371 Clank: Fit . IW. xt .
Joi-i ': Linda Flar• r• i. n (atciri .
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1:? cyF ore =_st_ lia1. 1. . '72 1. :_ia It Rd
St_t (• Camin . .'mmB4 P ]. eai::eztr•i •t V :1. v Rd . i
( plus attac- hed 1. i Est )
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., E (- R(3E: TC: TMAN . of.--tc:tned the public. hear• i n (-I at- (3a p . m . with the r• eadi rr_l'
of tl••ie p {Ab1. iC notice at. tacl-led
01440614611A1\1 I.... et. me st:•. at (-.� lief orc:? we start-4 t1•-ial_ the P1. ann i no Boar ei
has met per i. odi. cct •l l y on this and have gone: aver.. the
Imarry a <.s> pec: •l: !:-5 of it:. . We 1•-iavp (aone thr• ot_tcil-) the SEG:R I
process al-zd htv the vote of the P l anni. n (a Board have
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so(nethinta new of = icini. fi. cant impact.. comes:, c.tfa that ICH 1
the tryav it will rema :i n . The r:, t_tr f:; ose for- havi. ncl the
hiearin (a tc-iniahl. is. for the Site — f" lan 1 : evieva . In thi
Town of (:ar• o •t-. on . th•ie Si try -•- F:' 1. as"i E: evi. :-raa . c: mr• t. ai n
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t. hi. ncaE> are ERI I owed if they ac..) thr• ola. cah the Process .
N.lorrnr::i :l :l. y . What: that fflecans" is t:. 0 the I• nOwl F:! d (3ER c:) f t:. h(
Board and the c.. oms(ients; from the pt..ttil i. c . certain
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ii:* set t..tp ai-s '(': t:3 wh'1at:. -thle `✓ C_ i:tn do and V•J !'iat - Ise `✓
c rAn ' 't c:l c:l w ]: would l i I< o:? to open the hl e a r- :i. n g up n o spa f c:,Y"
fa l.t t:, l 1. c::: c: 0 m rn e= 1-1 t. e 1°'I r' I..' (:: h a c� f e r' :l _f t. I"i c:. E r"� r a, n e... <:. s e m 1::: !. t"3y cc:. d
by the is nr"e' ]. Gar, d f=' avi r: cs ('.` o . to do the technical waclrf:: f e:,r..
them a n cl I", e a (z a r't ca n r:. .-ac_• r a lot of 't h e t:. ec: h r•i i c= a l
(al_les t: i c:{ n s
J o HARF, :E !` G041" Of`ln - 9C.) Cl ar- bt St . E%Xt. . e hl `✓ and 1 oaan the pr- oper- ty
to the east of the Ociaidal es . T have a series of I
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and c:: c:) fYiment ?:: e Fir- st. d wi 'tl"t r' c? c.iarfi -t (M.i the SEGIF1
t' --oc: e ?=: sm Tt'ie Tc(van V•ai-_ s oranted le4� .ic:l aaeilru: v st. att..ts9 bt..lt
]. as f al 1 Ter- esa Rob i ns- on i rich cotteci the ']•' wain we:iul ci i
r- ecat_t :i re -t he <..; c-irr:e level c::l •f: i s—f clr' r(ia 't. i. c: n as -the DE ( : would
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recal.ai. r- en IvV . Schaefer pr' u 'wideed t- he with a letter
el a t e{• c:l Fe t.-! ir. u a r `✓ .l. a ! hl e-' r E' h't a s been d (•c:: i s i (_.'• n (Yi ci d e by the
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DE:: C vahcrt. hei 01 ncit t: hlat adequately adc] r, esse ?:: c� r_tncer" ns
`✓ oi c : ed by t. l _. e D [H. ' i n November- .n f l 'i £:? ?i: ('� . � t=iY t ('_" t_( I. tclr 1 4' �
wer- e that -the DEC:.: was (Zonsieier- inci the tapplic: at : orl
i nc:: c:lfiipl ete and at that time t. l ie `i r.' ec{ s_l :i. reel a detail
p l car-, of mi. n i ncl a they r- ecyui. r- ed a Stream Crossing F" er' mi �
raf:) pl i c.—at:. :i. clri and, t-t ? I t_( ncterc: t. and, ttl <-se were ?5c_ctami A... tf-1
and an analysis of traffic and T think- the analy :iSfl
traf •fi (w c_ on . er- ns wa cir_lne yer" v Poorly in -t. hlis (P.0aseu
'•fher- e is no inclic_ ation that the= c-. eo meet -the DEC i
" equ :l remf•.' r'lt s Yol_t I..7ic. ''✓ e dolt r (c:: C•.•'' :t. \% (:d •'•a nc'. t 1 ( c.4e of
c cirri p :l Ae af:lp :lic at. iran from the DECa
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1) o 13) CFIAEF• ER w l:+ r::lr_' l-: ao n the s t_lmmer- we st..tbini t 't:. r- d a full mi n i ncs j
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r- eclamation plan .
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H . Hf) RI::: ING *TC:? Cald Have ••✓ cat:t r- eceived an ra >ofa1icGar; •t: ° s notice of meeting the
r- e} r,.;+ t_t ! �� tr, r•• .� rce� c.:{ t_tireemc. r; •L- s ..., sa t. h; <: !r ... lte c:.- ttr•t
t: hlen go on thr• cot..tgh; the process ?
Da `f."3 C • A E 1= E." R a 4'•.I c:t „ try I; i_t t:: v%j e r. e c e i v e c:l from the e DIE- Ca' was s a letter <. 4:t v i n q
t:. hev wanted additional infr., rm <ation and that after t. h; ev
got the cadcliticonza1 information they ericat-t1cl most 1ik: el. %,
i e; suc! ca neer. at i ve declaration if they v4er" e the lead
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J . H (-1RRIhIG "I" t" N " And that information 1-ias not been evaluated and vnt_t '
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ha—vee no indication wheth•ier• car• not it cri (r:aete thle
r•• eclut :i. ;"• ement:. <.•i aI t h i <. . poi. in i. n t: :i me
E:) . S [ Ht-'41= E E:: ' e Bae� cjd c) rl srty c{ i c: t..ts ica1i !:, with the DECOt: rre? v received the ;
i of c_tr• mast. i san atnc:l r- E' vi F»? thted it i::tt" d they 33ee. no pr_ o101 ems .
I.T . HfiF; ; II�IC '1 C11+d � 1" 4ia t i e not e_� c ,act 7. v ccan �ai caterit. wi th my cl :i. e3ct..ts � i caries aai. t: 1-t
the Z: EC*ee " I ' m c.itur- pr• :i. s >ed that the Trawl, I:3coi::trc:l has clecic:lec
ther" ee v4oulcl tap no impact to this . Whenever a mire is i
1-; r• cahacos e c.1 for- t: hi e:s e..le pth R •t:. her" cep i ea a1 si gn i. f i c :an t_ i mE: ac-: ,
If ;✓ cat..t � c: t a Stwate per- mi. t to remove over 1 ,.000 tons ai
veal that. is at signific:: ant 1. mpatct .
'TO 'OF I'•1ANI Let me c 1 atr i f v something , Jon . Nc.tmtaeer" one . the Town
F3 c:a at r- t::l rl i. el r; ca t. decide .. to v t h r•_e n a •t•. t_t r e ca •f: t:•. i..t e laws in I.Ai
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Town . the Si. t. e -- P1 can Review i. s decided b %✓ the E ' 1 i:anni 1•;l
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J . If (1C�. F: ]: h1t. i "lt::l !`lu (Alec aret < :EI:: :i. rica al hactt..tt:. t. ( tea E:> ! : l;lE rep✓ i. c= aa rer� t..ti. r- esl had✓ E .
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*The Tovin f.3 "!" 0 "I" 1VIA1' td YOU Said the "I" cat�an Board decided = ramethi. ncso
Bn. -crt:{ did ncat t:Jcac: it1r. sK3me:athirats „ the F' 1Am..., ing Board did
dust for the r- ecor- d
an I-A (1F. F; :{: NC, "I.. t: 1%%Ino The F' :t a nni t s :i Board -f c:ml- w , rded :its
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G 'T' 0 "1" IselA ` an Accordina to the wltatt-� :Laa� = e t. l ) c: f=' lt� rtr) i. rztt Eioa:� rd tans
f ul. :I. a: u t h o r i t. v to nevi eaa i t e cio through the steps one
at a time and t:. hen make a-.t decision t (-) the best of their
ab i l i tv as to how the •✓ decide val-iet. her it- is aoi nea to be I
) C:) = :I. t :t. `✓ F"? or n f...' g c.K t: i v t•::? or a s :!. ra n i f i c �.-m t:. imp ,c.I c t. or not n
That was done at a-a !.pec i al l y called meeting f oi " that.
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a.T .. H61F. FCII\IG '1" 01\In "C1 ) e Via :! ar, t. hctt:. Nlr .. � c:: { iatryfer � rca ✓ ideci to t. l7cy I:) E=t" c:: < tl :Lt rJ
for- the m :t. n i na (-) f 25 acres C)i_1t o 'f• ai:1 1. 57 acre parcel .
T f t. I...Sat. is the case . an obvi oc_car, c}!_t (-�? a-; t i on is vil...iat J. ast
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planned for the re t o -f: the Property ?
I) „ SCt HAE... FEF-t '� l" 1-iat:. ,='� acre <.::} :i. �s the affected area . Ihat ? a� eti..tal pit it
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only about a 6 acre pit
AS Thaere are 5 test l:ai is on that:. area=..i that: :i. e ac) i raci t:. c) tac
mined . i. !- that r- :i (31-it ? i
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Ja HARF: IIqCi 'T (31\l ; tMtiat of a total of at. least. ah < h test pits, t:ara :l. v Fs of t; 1-)
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t.aere -found , I lore = i.tmtA to Have gravel IS
SCHAEFER No
J a F1AFq. F I1\4GT01\3 „ tjxJhv vat:) t_il d ycat.a cli.tarr'- y loroloerty if ti...$ at. Was the
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:D SCA...V) EF' E: I s; n Wel. :1. . t:. tir-? r c::? we.? or �� <:yt t f 4 i c :i. en t c:! i.t t1 rrt i t i e4W atnd ktaer e i� c.�
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other t. hi. n :a_ _. that thent into t: taa. t decision .
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,:1 . 1•-I0) RIz' II'AGT40N ° What are they ?
1) a f ) F-I() E . F= ER w' The ease of acc: ..... s:s s to ttie material and a r-. er •ti.xd n amount
of over burden . There:, was good gravel in the other
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J . I-1AF; I=? IN (:7l" uNO. So there is no moss; :!. b :i l i tv of mi ni nc! more than the :25
ac.. res4 '
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That:. ' =5 what vo4t SUbm :i tted to -the DE Ct . a life -- :!. i ne.
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Do SCHAIEF" LIo; e No . �
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J . HA.R : I: IILJGI'001%J „ So r..Ec-s more t: l-ai:asn 25 ac: res will ever be rni necl '7 i
Do SCHAE. F' E !'•Jo nec: essi_ariIv . j
J b 1-4ARRI1\1C TO l•! hat does life --- line gc..iarry means ''
Do SC HAEFERe "fine life of t. Iai =• plan .
H (.) F;' F%' 11\1GT1- ONu There :is a }sosr• sibili -tyq therx , that all the 157 acrern
will be minc-,?ci .
L? . ( )%CHAEF' EF. . No . :1 wouldn ' t. say there i a Possibility that all :1. 57 ;
acres will be mined .
G o TOOF1°1A1\1 „ L- et me, explain s:somet: hi na b We are this meet :i rna
tonight on something that was proposed 'to LA S . We earn (
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have a clec i si on rnal:: i r-3 (a or a hear- i nc+ on something thati
was. not proposed to L.csb You are talking abOL.ct anothe'
.1. 57 ac: re� us , Voc_t are t. is :lkinrt iabo (..( t another process:. wa. t:. !21
E) ECIIR review and the whole work: E.
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,7 . HAF�; RIN (::iT' CN4 1hcrs what ciic:! vrat.c cnak: c vc::tici c::lc� c- :i. =sican can in t. c-rrrn <.7 r.7i
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J W !-lAR IN 'rc:li\i Was n ' t. a mining per• mi. t sub mi. tted to voi `:"
1,100TOMAN4 Yes .
J „ I...IAMP .*(N {3 "h' 01\I ; Find didn ' t. that. sav 4:. 1-1at. '14:1 � acres ot_t •t. of 1.57 acr- ss> waili>
c:toi nci •! o be mi t red ':,
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7 n Hif) RF: I 1\1C`41" 0l'`1 �(E) o vie are d i sc:: t-tS% s1 r•ica the sc:, mr- ti •sing .
C; � T' C� ' f1E? !�{ � We are clis ct_Rsssa. �� o :? a acres not1. �� 3 acres ,
J 16AAIRF; I NG6144C) 1\1 u Yc:at-t have no i me e st in anything bt_tt the :e_' 5 acres . I
Vn R (-NF:: li'Lde IdoUj do e 10:: now teahat th•iey intend veers:, from nowa �
L.. ,, IiF� F;1 ; :C1�1 ( x 'TO1\1u ••I' hat :i <.s w >at. wars wot_t :1. d :I. i !Oee •tca 4:: ricaw „ Are we c� oiria t_ c:r j
have a 157 acre aravel. Pit nest. 'to t.ASI'O'
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G� 1" O `fMF1N h... eat:. me •t. r `✓ t. o clarify this ., fc_7ro the People
that were in here before you were applying fair a 1
i:subd :i vi si. ors with large acre lots . Somebody askec:i the
gt..testi on if there is a 5 acre lot here and a 9 acre
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.lot here . 1 , c:awa (Jo you -- now there i. o c-i -il y c � cii nr_i to bcs c:) nj
i-ioc.tsse on those l opts ? If somelaocly bc_c `,+ s a '5 ca. c. r• f:�! lot
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{_ hev have to comic i ri a(::aai n ar•sd a .-ippl •fir for• another i
subdiviss. icarso We can ° t tell vot_t what yots can do wi. t. i••) j
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Vot_ctr. land 15 ye ,-kr- T; from now , �
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J HARRINca 'rC: N . Olt sF.aE? lTs vary hae: c_ ltliar to Me. that voci road thi oc.tah ti
per•- mit. application and 21 1 / 2 t. c:i 4 feet 1::teal. ow the j
st-tr- f ac:: e VOU fact clean gravel and sand anc:l I '") to 15 1
("lC:lw !"i `✓ c}t_t C1e' t: iriC? c 1lc: n :L c:: <-t .i aria ]. `{ `.. :i ' a shows �lk r (= �? rit
th•iat is no wav clean material . 'This is riot particul
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1). SC:. HAEF' ER . Wh-, at was that percent ?
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On I-9ARRINGl" ONa percent minus :C)C.) .
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n `"".)( !-It-IEE' f: IR d..� It c! er(-:� nd <.w on who i <.. (:: al. :l. inr7 t. hat•:. 9 I:.-) eli- c: en -t {arrsvela
Some mi caht consider that clean . C) to percent is
considered dean .
J 4 I-lAt : F' :CNGTt Nnn You are calling this I-iowiar- d Gravelly Loam which is
prime + arm land . In the SE: (a) f-t rev :iewa Ia :.ar• t that thic.s is
a significant impact and it will a •f •Fect the prime farm I
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C:iA YOU t_a - e talI•:: :inra raLo {_st tl-•te content of the so -il and I
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don ' t: r ro •f es. to }: nc ; wa as mUch a = VOU W:: r; Owa tat:; OUt 50i ]. S. �
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but:. the State must have a requirement . . . . �
I:} o ESCI-{ r'� t:: E= E" R. Typically yca .i ' re :l. c, c }:: i. nn for materials that have
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7 er { ;=' n t: or 1. P iS '.:-.i In I"a {. t s ' {.> {.; ' S7. l t n There is a lot of
material in the 1 `{ '7 acres that h r. v c: I? r..:; e r c F• n t. srl i r; U =_. 2 {_0'
< :tnd a :lot o •f rrateritz.il that have more •t ! --car; 10 percent
Jul f•1ARRIN ::i .'! 011n Yo :..s wsc:; t_ild a (-.tree •t:. hat this iFi a margi. ni.al area .
Do E3 (y !-iAE: FEPu What (Jo NVOLA mean lav marginal " Size wise . quantity
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J. F'•lF`•IRRINGTON t:! {_aal i. tv wise . j
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L� n 4st_, I Ifs l • 1� !�; n I'�loo there ii- same fine quali. •t-. y mater' ii-..1.1 there . I
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Ju 4-iAFRINGTONO You }:; er •formed a magne <si +._im E. Ul 'fate t. eE. t "?
Do () t..lk kPHH11�:El.c. I".. I'.ra a YE:fy �..-.i n ,
Js 'Tt•a {:n fact that: it i �-:s raoc; {J + arm 1r:arid st-ao {_{ 1d be a {:Icir' esiI
t:; v the "town car t; v anyone doi n {a the E:: (? !�: re: vi. e:3w n j
Nor- ma :!. 1yw any Project thztt wai l 1, r erncwe primF• •farm l�
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c :l. a < 6s 1 {::; r 20 from }ar ' octur..: #.: i (::) r7 <. tar.:; {_{ :I. {J ra to the Hlei
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Ivlarl•:: c.rt. s or SC:,` f-` S -for review . Yot_t can reatc:l the SSE.. OR
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handbook: and yOc.t can see that " The ne >ct point l would
k: c , fo talk- about. is the tra •f •f i c " DEC' ask:- e l vot_t to do
a t. rCtf -f" ic analysis .
D. SCHAE-F& E-FRI'; l" he �J wanted toI :: nrat � how aaarav trt_tc: k: cs r , c � r 1tot..ts� "
,:l " 1-iARRT !`•dG '1ONO No ,, Mr- " Snyder ' !..5 letter re-fers to a trtaf •fic analysis "
t:J " it.: fir^� E: != F.:: F�; a I sh:? olem wit1`i ! ! s^ " f::# n `Jr..ler and he4-- oldrnc-a �� : ar.:: t :l. y traha .F he
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, T " fgA1 F; Fd; l: t~.Ifi 'l- iJNO Ycn.t -told him an averac..je caf .' 5 to i:. rc..cc.J-%.s per clay and
5 t_ o 6 t. r• t_tcks per hcaur.. Was, yot..tr- anticinCit. ed level " I— I-ae
carcala :1em on C, :Lark: Sit:. „ i _-:. the faeople , wl-} o live on !:J1. ar• 1•::
Ct " are not worried about the average " age are wore` i ed i i
about the i%fl.; or. .t:. germ " Whenever t. h•aer- e is a big Job it
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r_ otwtic! be more than 5 or fa trt..tck: s an hour "
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l III C:) NSn •a1' ' 1. C:: l. arl:: '`it. „ I." % ,. :L think t1nis last st..tmmes tn+ i. t: h t1-ie
smal. l gravel pit we already have in place on C: :L ar- k: St" ;
it i. c.:s %Jery evident wh <-� t 1:: nrl o -f truck- tr• riif f :i. c we will
have . We had larc:?Laaab :!. ,. CI to 10 trt.tck: s an hot .tr raui. sag clol`'
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throuclli that road " These vJ(•ie-- e not it_t <.-. t: 1ra — whsc:aelers .
these were tractor trailers ht:ul i nca to the lCF " YOU
people I:aroba?tbly aren ' t:. reall `J 't'.: C:m ccint_ e1 n e d i.-Abot..tt
somethinca that sloes r6aot i. nalaact you di. r- eac. tly ., becauSE
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you doa; ' t have t.. o '.Live 4ai. t. ha :i. lt. " When %Jrau l i v (2 Or) tl�
road and are trying to get: ot..tt into tra •f f i c " there f
4:: i cl <:s t: h at l. :i vc= cart tl`ta roadt:;� raci youtsr• e trvi ng to
�J travel. that road} ocs have these trc.tc !; s " ., " " as-id theSf;
�.`Arc=r..5 ' t " „ " " trihen we originally tal k: ecl abot..tt: a clr avelf
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we were cone ( r' n (.:� cl with the spr: ecI (:if th (-.� t:. rt..t (:: ! ; <._: and 'F:. t•) t:�
people rin the Board said maybe we cyan do 4E: ometh i. nca
::-� t- ot.t 't that ,, m . t ��' l-7ci th e% can bm watch ed or s::csm (•w} 't:. hinq 1. i lr.,
that There w <ass, never any check (gin thema 1 think- i. f
vcit..t :L r..anl:: bac i•:: on each th :i. nca that wa <.-s proposed for the
other caravel. pit .. another" thing it wasz supposes to be
fenced i. n with a locked n ate , Clark St . was:, st..tpposea to
be improved " Nothing was done . 1 -t:. is as hazard for
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t.. h 7. ri c7 r.;s J. n t hi e a r.. e a a r•i d this is (_r o a. n (• 1 -to be e tl-ie same
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thing . Thir-w pit they are pr opcmSi. np . the aacces <_ is (:lo :i rich j
-to be right can that c: c:srner- . the cst .t •t:. let onto •t: h e r" caaad ic-s
(acai nca to be on as blind corner . Guido can tell vcsl..ta he
ri (.3h •t nn that. c: c.1r• ner :and I... to traave :l. it :and rnov`
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✓ c.) (..( rc cacai. nn -to put an entrance to a c} rzavel. pi. t in U-1al
same area . l ' 11 tell vcsc.tq �rciu �. nriiric:!
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Board ,.i ust have ycnt_tr heads r i. al-st. t..tr_s where the sun
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needed a We don ' t need another caravel. pit . we have on'
gr- itrv?e :l pit on Clark f� 't. � why do we r: caed � , rnc� t:. h ( tr one
that is going t c:i h el 25 :a c r" r._ .:s in size . Like Jon n .:. a v s ,
*%%/ O t al*- e taking prime farm land out of to whole work
ca r'• e
V . Rff:ll\lKlNu .1 can -tell vcz(_( s:scime •F:. I•ning a.� tariu ' .. farm land , there is j
ml_tch farm land i. n this cnt..trntl •y right now . we are o
procl (_tceda . n
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Imol"%t ;; Yr.� ct mi. c3h� t s av th1 �_., t. 4 httt. a� � 11. E. w�h1G; t:. vc� t .tr kids say
abnt_tt. 'that 5C) year' s from now when there is 1-1c:lt. I l :i. n (a bt_tt
het..t eS there
The land is cac) i nc:J to be returned to f ar rfl land .
So ST4`'1Sha e 1'' t'.iU h•1aVe to dr., that . by State JU t :l i. lee that
ot. hei caravct :l pit is <.::> c.t1-' po? :Ded -to be returned 't':. ci i: <=ir" m
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Do "h' he entrance it.-: planned to be (::: lr.:lsr r 't'. c:a t::ilcaial < c, Ii ' s::, laitu
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not ricaht on the corner .
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J n !"fARI"; INt:a 'Ti.) Na W1-1at abc:lt"tt c:: ro s �:ii. nea thr_'•, stream ? A <.::s pisr• 't:. c:lf vcit..tr" I:% I <ar-1
✓ cart vlant -tC1 I" c ccal7 <• trr.tct 'the bridge over that t. r- 4-st..tt
stream . and -t:. hat is a DEC da::w i, anat ec::! tr' OUt stream . you
t. b m i 't:. t e d ar i application for. that . What i. s the e •ff f r".? (-. t: '
ooi ncl to be can the adjacent p) ropc:Art':. y '?
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IDt..ttt. i. I; g ill a larger c.:: t_t1. ver• t
J. 1-4) 1wR :lNCl" t. N " What a1 ot.tt trt_tc6:: s c: ro ": 4sing -that: bridge and also
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c: r (:) ssi nc:l -t: he tai 1. :1. acie water :line 'that runs from the
reservoir down across s that site "' Have yout gotten
a1lCarc:�'•r c- l and an eval uat:. i on from the Vi 10 l ache to fYiake
st..tr- c' rrmt_t are ncit aoi. ncl to dafna. a th'1at viater 1. i. ne ? '1
i c:} 1 h:} t:1 c: t_t ( ) vji -ttr.nr line and t=t 1. s o l e. CI i::•t .l l v h a 't:. (� tJ E{?
observed � r
Ge 614601" MAN „ 'That:. is one ci ¢ the t1..ii ncii. the Pl ann :i nca Board 1. ucl1•: s
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in the Site -. I:f. l ar•1 Review before approval and that
Jc1r 't" i ct..tl ar "tr obl ( ) m has already been given to t1-le TIY!
Highway SlSpel' intendent ask: ing for his recommendatit
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L', ha:tt tar i dC] e? S C r-_innC) t:. be Cr- or• sk°Ci .,
J . Hf=1RR :I: CalG "1" 011u Thatt i. t-> r- L.tptuir e in -that l i. nt � cr_)t.t1. ci h ; , vci�
a 5iC7nifiCanl— :I. fY'tl:a ;=tC: t
Coo u We Ltriclei stainc1 that and that pr' catalem is toei. nL1 a dc'! r-' eM) <.::iF.. d .
41u ( -! F', R : ING 'TC11\J 1 also think that in that pit 1dc� .. 2invcaus� plan . which
hiaS no C: r- C) SS f-se. t:: .4. i C) (•i in it Fit all . ver" V def :t. ni te .I. `✓ you
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need Speci -fics (-.i -f the (Siltation control. to prevent
<.'vi1tatt. :i. on i. r-ttc) t-. hatt. swtr- eam «
D . SC= HfiEFE:: K ,. We ar t = not planning one :; c. tvcttinrx that pit .
J w !- ARRIN (r11101'4%lu Noise. vcat..t cic) n ' t s-4a ✓ anything a:ttaoc..( t. s"tr.:) :i. < e- .
I) .. SCwHAE1=TR'O l ' lsrat: Ua ::a <. a� cicir rrySrwc� in the E. r � F n
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C) e E3C.% HAEf-" ER „ 11:. i. s m •s✓ under- stc: ndinc-1 that will. bc:, ccantr- eal1eei by the
F` :Iannin (:a Bc) arciy t. he hc)L.trs c)f r-) p (-ar- at. ic) n . the numt') c-• r• c:a .f�;
,7 „ I-4 (11 : F :l: l�dC� I" CJr.IR Yout t=.: cat-) ,t the last ooc;-� rt::iti c) n that. caws apprcavec:l n ther- e
was no r- estr" ictiC:) n and at Tn ") C) or) Sut"tCiav mor- ning VOL.l
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can have trt..tcl:: S Moving t. hr" C.aLlcsh there. I c:lor't ' 't
the rrtcafY) b er— s, of the CcafYsmuni tv want that amd I don ' t::
-th -ink they should I... to put up with that .
C a TOT1''If'N Ytau ' re sr' i. c3ht atnd the 8 aair- ci c- or - ee s with that a
3 Hf=1RRI1\1C*J 'T (::11*%l l: tl..t :inlc , (::: erg t: ain :l. v ,, nc) I:USsi. r7tc2 S = I•-loul. cl be o
holici <:tvs and st; caulci stair- t at as r" c� a __-• oncablea time Yn`
hatvc'.s not a (:iclr- t•:41 !-:. sed -t". he clu1 t •t: 1...sat VJ (:al_1 .l ( ! Ise raised i• r
the ali. s-lir; p aa. :-) C! hauling at a1. 1 and particularly . toil
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the I.areva3. Iing w d from t. hae west ,, t. h t j. ��
i. tan i f i cant ..
Da SC.. FIA- EF' I~:: I• ° Lat.. ri. nn oper �:at. inn vie arca prep : arecl -to l.: r., t�� l� the t_tt..l �: t: down .
C; . "I" C) l" lvlFll�.la Tort , :. f I snCa ,rq there ra. r- e c � tht �� r pE. op1e walto c �� rr, e� ort :in ! t. q
s:� o Iet. e pi:a <. > _", it. rarauncl the rcacasn anc:l come bar_ I<: to the �
rest of your. cluestion .:
�J . Hr� F. I 1: 1�dCa1` i:1l�d " :f. only 4ii �✓ e lare ( � mca ,� e r.- cammc r1t:. <. > . t:: irs_at. , I wot..tic!
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to kl-IOW eX act l y where voc.l ar- e going to oper• atc:a tha i. tS
r" e1 i:a 't:. i ve to 't". 1"te prc:) pert `,/ line `: I"Iv (:ieFi d ! i ys * rn `:' i
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property line (:ic) es clown the center- of the abandoned
r' oacly if szciq vot..l are (] et. tino awft_t1 .I. Y c: 1caseq if not.
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ac. tl..ta1 011 y the c_} cine of my I_arot�actrty .
Do SC% HAEF' fT*l' „ As far- as) I know it. is=S not. can vol.u�- l�arol�ac�rt %✓ .
J. hir-, RRINGl" ON ". YOU. Fetter be surme about -that . I also think: that the
reclamation is r_, (.} mt::? '1::. I"1 i nc:,j we r' (i ' al l y ot..lat'tt to pay ver ':
cl. oCae attention toy laartict .tlarl. ;✓ in r- eturriing it -to
agri c: t_tl. tur' a :l. t_t =-ic; and I thi rik: -the Town Shot..11. c.:l rna6:: c? So
t. yl_, e of at.tarantee that the reclamatiori is going to lad
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think- in this 1"aar- tict..11ar case there o ;..lnht to be some
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nl..tar- antee . Looki. nn bi:acl; ir•i col..trt: re. corc:le . I find t. t;l
th :iG5 rSppl. icant hlas:s been firle .i in the pal-it for viola '�
-th; e State Mining c:: c.:acle = . 0ri %Jt..tl v 1. 981. in t-. !••le .1.. o4
.Ithaca. ,, violation of the Clew Ycir k State DEC' sni. ni. nca
c= od (a:? They . s i c.:ined Fit c". onc_.•yent. or' clF.:.' r and after- -tha �
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violated the terms .
" 04144P1FiNa Lane i-iinvone el cie have anv ccamrner'tt' s to mal•:: e t`
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G . HF� L. I... . : . _ .l. a:1 ]. l-. ; c:i . . With all. this !"t , u hctt_t3 � nc;;t cle: c _ I ct }:, m _ nt going ilar7 c::. tt
a mi ni. na site is not the car eGatewt thi na 1: k- now
C ttE-.-m !:. hot. Itr: an ot_tt •4: i t c:7vei� in SOLAt. h L_ ansi. m:1 ar- 4 :i. t
1. CSC) -- s; 1. i Ix,e c i !_tnE; vGtr Ci . 1 r t= F"1C r @? c� n `d Cfl.t4t ! <7n 't . F? L' l^! C ct1 E?
f.iot ocai. f-tig tc::t F•tave.= this taking place t..tp c::tri t. h :isss qr• ave1
Pit " 1. 't:, also may be a plztce -to hide tokihat they got over"
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t 1 tier e . 1: <am < t :l. <_-> r.7 c: ortc-: e— ned wi •t: h t. l" e traf f i C s::si t. t_tat. i on .
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I_ i. k: e the rest of -the people here „ Just toith -the tr- L.tCk: G
wc-:.5 1...lad -tl-ti s summer ,, was C.". nC:II_tqh . If vou , r- e Qoi ng -to
have a big operation , you ' r- e going to have pr" oblemsm '
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�3 . t:: �, 1�411�•l . "BAI. F' l. ea !... ant Va). :L e •y Rd . " 1 would like -to l• now how Vou can
t. r" uck: s~s drivi. f", c tt1� and dc, wfi r- oad ? '1" F-Jere is
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some I:: i. nd of trutc_ k: i nc-t f :i. rm d (-it-in the roi , d f r• om me -that.
F- LA1-1S up and down the r- oad at ; n C)C.) a . m . and they come t
a = creechi. no 10•ial t:. iri. r} ht in fr•• ont c-tf my house tt"..t turn t
r:har- l-Lateen Iid . When :1: met my nei. clF; k- or• from acr- o ! s th ,
r- ctac::l a3t the mail Lic.aV -t:. 1-te other c-lav he :I. c-tctk: ed d (.-.) rdrt at
the road and commented . " :1. ocik: at this br- and new r" oad ,
the -%vs st.trc-? don ' t. rri :_:tk -them l i I.%- e thr•:v t_trsr_rcl t. o . " The r•i
is thi. Gs far i. ri fr- ocn the s:. ide ri. ght n (-2tra ( demorlstratin
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with hc , r hands ) . I don ' t 1-:: now tfatiet. her i. t i <=: � r c::im th`
tr- LACki. n (a fir- m down the read or- + r• om a snow plow . D
the -v have anvt:. hi. nc► in -their c: c-rntr• ar.- t that they
Sho +_.tldrt ' t he out and about at_ n00 in the morrtinct '' i
t=? . Tt ? 1 IYIF� f�ln You have a oc: tc-ac:l � c. i. rit. q �7t_te4 that i GN artot. her t_tt7re :l. ai
prof-! learn for" the Planning Board to addr" ee. s . Thur ppw
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that runs that bUS i r•) esEB is here tans. caI•it and will be
cidr - ssed in the bt.. rz i. ne'_ SS meeting ,
J n E•if-ih; R •INGTC:N If I cat_tl d mak- e ariot: h er comment . :3OmO tOWnS F) Lkt l clad
a at, i s a way ad
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rc=, w . ..L. r :ir. t. iani- ar) t. ol"as-a roads-. . 'Th
the road problems
C3u TOTIJIr' N YOU have to ma lee ?tr- c:� vc::) t .t arc clr.. ri7. i. no aei t. h) a town ro <_� d
or a cot..tnty r oad .
(_ae E ' I:::' T RgE:" I_ I__ fl -., '71. C�' :I ar4-- St. n E` I rea11. v don—t•. hta_ ve a lcrt of
opposition to the caravel. I-) it . BU 't :E wat_tl d like 'to make I
a c:- omftier) t on the t•. ra •f f i c: Froth erfn . There viere t:: r.. t..lcl.;: s-s
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p i. t. this st..t (Y)frler and if thr.:.lv wereri ' •t:. dot..tb 1. e l oaded i rt i
lr� ei. catit. A T. ' 11. eatfmJ slice : s~ i. n ! ) t: riowo 'Those things:, wes� i
sc-At. :i. s Ica r i aht•_ on -the bt..tmpers.::> beyond the helper spr- :i. ncMlaa
and if a State Trooper came down) t. hrat..tgh Cher ca I'le
wouldn ' t be thrc:x..tgh vir.. i •t•:. i. nq •t :i c: L ets yet. a TIi <.tt:•. wi—sr ) ' t:. ,
it. .-, -t one loads that was several of them . I Icr) a �a he
cloesn ' t. govc ' r_ n wha::tt those guys do butt t:. hat is:)
definitely a problem on the road up tl; r••: re . I thing:
when this vah (::) I e thi r) o started . that was one of fY) v I
bi. ggesl •t concern alas what was going to happen to the !
road t_tf.) there `:' If YOU arl:giW t ocA nq to pay <: t: ter; •t i cti
what i. s! being hauled out. of there as far as weight
c: onc: er- ned „ then t:. hat is what is cto i. rids to happen).
are cicsi nca to have the same pr- obl erfa with this earawe
as f i tr as::> -the road i i:.: t: oncer red = F1 L7L.l `J tics 't:. tJ fY) aI
fY) onevy l: don ' •t c- arc:, about that. 12 BU •t i. f yol..l are t cl
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to Putt res: > tri c.: t. i oris::s on t:. hi. s t. I...: i r1c1 as::i to when t !-tev are
gic) i rice to hat_tl and hots much they are- going to haul . t. hc.An
dc) i t. e Don ' t: set down henre= and =*av wtn. area acii nq t:. to dco
this: and ts%je are c.1c ) inc.1 to do t !-tato it_tst do it . `r' ot_t ciid
not (Jo whz-1t you said vc:) t_t were ao i. ng. to do with l : r..rc1 <:: r ' `Hr. I
pi. t Now ,. if Mr . Ottenshot tiknt �s to draw c1t..tt:. Of t. heree4• u
that :' + i. neey :I: I-ii:we no problem vai. •h.: h him maki. nO morley ot_tt
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of t. I-) a •t land . B t..t t:. if %J O t.a a r V-. going to sr ea t limitations
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ass •t. o wI-tat. t. h (ev are goi nra t o do , -.. hen follow up on .� 0LAr
(? n d y 1-) e r i c) d e i f `✓ o t..t a Y" ew t.� to 1 n g t: o h a t_t l f i v c: days is:"t I
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then h•iac.tl f i. ve days a teaeea !•:: 4 nc:) t c.1oi nc.3 tc::) Isat..t :I. (::) h
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Sa •tt_tY•• dav „ not going to h iimAl sort 'Ek.1ndayq not going to
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hat_tl at. s ) c ) at ni. c� h •t. a
Bn CAC.) a !_. AR(Anu rhi. s Board is not ar•) enforcement board and i -f thorn is
a E1r• ohle:iam with that . I wcnAd hope the cit :l. Zc? rlSS wnc.t :Ld
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tab:: e some of tI-ie? Y- e= s. raconsi !oi :I. i. t. %v foY- that kind of an
c per •1 t. :L on ar-ic.:l rer.:) ort i. t. a
GrA F" E" TIFE: I.._ !-_ ff) " I prel , onally have mentioned :i. t ,. I
Bu I', f:-} t::`0l.... i1R A What:. ?. am blow do we i• t `-i iiit Bc::) ard addr" E.' !-. < I
e' nf orc: ei; me2nt: Wt•::: uiakF? red t. ri t. t. i ons , the enf c) rcement. I
frtt_tst:. be :4. oft t. c) ot•. hc:ar !-- I
Gn PE: "1" I? EIL._ L._ Au I don ' t know . I ' MI SUF- P t i-► at a :Lot of those loads, c-_f
nut. of there that: 1--ie I' Ra er ? didn ' t. even know t. l-iat i
weY- e h•) aulina at th <"at t. i, mea of ni £ihte
1:ce (::,` f� ; iC:JL_ (a1 : Flu :Gt. dc..) ma4 no s � cosoci for tlti � > I ot::trci to E ) :Lace� rc;� stri. c: ti. c:''
add -- i of o --- item on a ee. i •t: o :if there is no wav to e, nf d
them . :I: t: h :i. r•t !•:: 1: feel cx� real sirmnse of frt..ts •t. rationi
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jthe innatomv of t. hi s Boar- cl . . . . I do care . I care a .l. ot
a�Yk) ot_tt:. voL.tr r- ic3htr5 and I c:� ar- e a� !_� oL.tt. fl) y rirtht: �; <-� sYc ! � till ::
MY r- esponsibility for- this: Ciocufnent very seriot_ sly .
I. MC:) h.! 'S Yc) c.i mt_lst be -the on ]. %. one because -t.he rest of 't_ t'Yem uq::)
then- e think this is a trio 'iole. e .
Va RAM--:01I1\4a Y (al..t ' re wronca , we r_! o care . j
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B13 CASOL_ Al= Aa WE: have cer- tain r- t.tl es that we I'iavc.i� to 'follow acid clnc--.� of j
-the rutl es pc.i• r"t:. a_ai. nay, to hc)w# I ianci is LAlnsecl . We can t t. t-•) :l 1
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• ofTtel:) c) Civ they Car Use l arld for- cA particular- pur- ra (_see j
t..t '_ r" (:ia.St. rict'. ion ..: cm how t. hat is utsiHd . 1•• hiait
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itYc1l : (=»' i the laws we acre t. rwi n (3 -t o administer . X.) C.:) vC.:) t_1
LAr"Ic elf- st: anc:i w# hia * .L am 4- r- vinci to Ev> ay ':' j
L) v S I M OIA S P V e r- v c: 1 e rY r l y n y c) L.t ail r" e n ' 't:. dealing w i. t. h a launch c::) f i ri i. (::)i
her- e . You I-Y ::ave people here who ha c:' been t. hr- ouc3h t: hi ;`
fYYi::ar-ty -times I::) (•:•) f or- pin t"# E? w ( ? n t:. 't:. hr' t:) Ugh 't.: I r? Sam ( ' thing wit
Froger ' c__. pi. t UP there . Ica we know# how# t:. ty :i � ! ' l. anni n �
Boarcl react. <_ s to this I:: i ncl of St. U •f f . It i. =:s ver- y clt) v :i.j
you I:iec.) p .le coo not take anv form of consideration . 1!
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S a 'y •f o l_t c: a - r' e p ✓ (") t..! r_., is t y it i cl 1_t l.-) to l_I iz: 't:. o try to e n f o l
this kind of c=• t. L). ffg and Yet , the one thing that w# e
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a town r- oad 1_tp t:. her' ev voL.l p (ROple have the author- i. ti
(ao ill and i:a load r' ef: t. r- i c: 't:. i on on t.: hat. road .
V . 6# A1\1K 1I\4 „ No we dons ' t .
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raarit.. .
�i . ".-.iTla! C) 1\li"iA But vc:iU can miakc-.� the s:: unuestion that a load restriction
be put: on and that was ,_i bici c onc._ erri c:af C..) Ur- r, when h ; cir� c r
started Just l i ke all. 'thee r.ither things that
�:su �i }� r-i <. se to c:inrie t. I..t < tt were•? mercer clone . Tha 't:, there. l:
would heave? '1 o T t:. hinle the Board should be a little ,I
tait. + 01 YOU 1-01C.) Ul ri have somebnciv l..lp there
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,lonirta I..? f .f: a, ce1" visits the miI1e sitec:. on a re? caular
basa. s. . Ariyt. hing t. hat does r'icit.: meet. 'the State fnJining
p1. an tar- rjnc-?.* in there and l etS t. hern k: 1`1nw attoUt i t .
Dryden y_) LA S e .c 't. rz.i reiq-5tr i r:: t i orir on i r'i to? r' m =s of setbac:: l'!
int_ c. r ni = of securing a � . itc . "1- hic se thinca � can be dorI
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"'kaneatr•.•. l. ee i. s gLAi to c: oricerric•.? d at out . . . . i
C; . l" C.? 'l h'! c'; I d [ t h i. n F:: a 1. 1. t cis-a n <.::. y. 1.1 t_ r e t r i c-: t: i. o n on .,
7 . NF1Rt ; Tl\dti "f ( ) hlo Yc-tl..l are t a1. l:: i. nci about c.r ?; ac: t :l. �r fcal. :tc:ila :i. c-� ca 'h_ he wc.:iciir'ta j
code , that: ' s .t. i. rie .. The other- t h i na i s vOc.l have
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accept:. ed the c:rf t:ae? i. nq) the lead t:tc, jenr
and -that: involves an evaluation c:if the situation . I
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havf.? raised' a grer":it many legitimate. concern '..S abol.dt (
erivi r- onment and you are legally responsible to act
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an al:-.tprnh:ir i ate mt-iriric•:ar .
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Rw (34L_ E:: At,'30116! e CY (:31. d St. acae Rd „ R 1: c::wsloot that terrible mine (_: p there) on
C:: la k f �t:. w 1 f i t�. i. s r coo- r� 1 t:a a d n 1 r_I c-) n ' �t.: k n ra Ns n r t r.:a to c:a ci �r 1= c� 1 c:!
men VA-1 en :I: was 1) z-i c:l w 1 will t:a (ea c_ :I. ra n i n cl it. soon e x c e l:) t
+ or- what 1: giant. to take myse1. f .n l: am glad Prot_( are
c - can eron (r; d abot.ct the y.:) rese:? rvatiorot of farm lanr.,lw One of
•t• loote things -to preserve 'far" m Land years ago was to p
you peop :i. e oc..ct of— here. I
J w i 1F;Fi�: I 1 i\1 ( TC? radtir� t people ?
t n (:aL1 : r� t") l�a .: F' r.. nra :Lr. Rst� o ( r_acnyalai. tt alaot_cfi:. fi:arto .::sw lac t (.( ral1 ✓ w ofarat .I. it { tC !
is onc_• good p1. acooc:a to •f i lootd gravel . Howard gravel 1 oami
J. s car_arad f arm l ar-Ed :i. •f: i t. i. s rtctt: t. 00 steep n l' h ;t (:3caori : tl rr I(
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•farm is kind of steep . The grade . in <(: ome places . is
:1. 5 percent st. etep w
Jw h•ic= RF"; 1NGTC3llid ;' 1f yor.c have looked at the maps wh (o.: rr= the (nine site is
i. t is not si, 't. eep
JRw C3%LE .S (: ) t`! ° :l iarta <.-savi nct a c� r..ar.:ad deal. of �t:•. h f <-� r cn is* s. t. eep � Iam rt (_t'
Pitsaving 11. of it isn
J . Hf1FR1N66TCMan Tl--ie site in gt..tec. tion thatt is cxr..ainct to be mii--it d is 1*10
steep n 1t, is Class 1. „ 0 to 8 percent slope , howard
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cl r- a v e :L 1 y l. oi_amn w n w
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Cin GL. I::. AS (.3lqa Neverthel es <. . „ a cao ( ) cj share of -the Galodal e -Farm is
st (Mfy::) w 1 am c_ onc Earn (-= d -that some peopl e seem -t:•. r_) th';
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that if sometaociv tries:- to do someth :incl they are o !_ct'
c{ et. the other (1c.ayn Itrc5it11 ,f i::aot:. hers* me that poop ;
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C (:tctie arr_; (.t {-td and say what bad motives rather- y:) eople:.
!•-tavern it i (_cs t. malces_> me think .. vsi-iat kind of a persc
they a rot ew
( . ••I. 04T lwl A N n We a r- e ca e t t i n ca o f f -t. h e5 t r- a c: k: .
R u C31,... L::: (lSON It. really bothers me a n r..! l: •f r a I"i k: l y •t:. to :i n I-:: there is ra c:a
reason why vie C: an t. Have a regulated mine . there3 :is no
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reaison who!/ it c: an :' IN Car' I<: . We have 'to have gr- raVel if
we want roads . b`dF' have -to have ara `✓ el .
Um,m, c o n f Ll e e c l on t !: i. ss a cl r i. c: t..t I t:. a r :_t 1. c:l i. is t:. r i. c:: t . I t:. h o L.t c:t h t
once Vot..tr .I. acid g Ltnl e !:-)s you warn to ge? 't:. penal. 1 s ed
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(:: ow:-:0. c:lear :bl yW volt c: i1n take t: !"i :i s 1. and c) ut caf
ar111" i c: Ltl tur- i.-fl. Llse.:?' and Ltegci it f Car" tl Ca LAST nC] deVe1. c:) PmeI t 't:. s .
YOU cs (--a (_' cii �Aricst cr) eet:. :i ncis to (.: htsr"fpea the r- [.'. C:1t_t .t at i ons and
it seems to mf-.: :it is done:" + Car s:• pr;,cia1. caccasiionS . 1. "•-s 1t
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ti ." '41640T' IhAN :I: can a iderstarid v (:) Ltr frLAsitr ::st:. icans> over agri (-.uIt:. Ltr <_tl
districts . :I: think -ther' e are. more, people:, confused
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<abot..tt. them tl-i :_tn t.Anclersitand tl..) e (n . so clan ' t •fee :l vc) t..t ari
in the minor' it:. v . Ba <.sicall. y . if y ,Du own land in an
<ra ( Ir :i. c.: Lt :ltLAr :_a :I. distric.:: 't and vcat_t want:. tc ) sell. i (:) ,I: + fol�
subdivision . the on1v dif •Fer enc: e is . as l understand '
i t . if vot.a have takers the tax abatefnen t-. on it. Laecttt.AS
it is in an near- if- U 'Lt. Ltral district then vout have to cl
+. C . .. :; ' r'iLt (T) <") eE' r of vea !'" s and t7fi '✓ L.l (a t.: t'tC:' c:11 •f' fC' r•' E;? r: (- f
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VOLA NJere gal. lr-twed taec: au - e you are now siellinC:l it: foYi
<.:somet:. h :i I7fJ ot:. l' fc� l than arcs i cLtl. t: t..tr' e . That is ;:alaoL.tt . 't:. t
only I"• e = tri. c:: tionsi they have on siell. ing land i. ri an
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acari. (:: Lt :LtLtr' <r:t :I. di =.eih'. r ic. t. . If c:-.ca (nl , cacl ey ! n (:) wsi clt. he-, r ' Ndi
p :Lea <se say something . Is that how yot..t understand !
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Go .1 ' Ct ' I" MAitl u So . basic.- ally . it i. s for- the benefit c::af the f a1"• mer t. c a
get: rl t = break n7 takes i t out . h tnar to g7 ak= l::0%
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and C:) av the di. •f •ferenc(r.! on the tip :; rtl. &t—Lement .
Gn F ' I" 1- I=? EC_ i_ A4 I wart -to go on r• elcor- d -for one thing . I don ' t mind the
gravel { ) i. t t. hat does-i not bother me :i n the I ear; s •t. 4 where
it i S . what is 0. 0i. 1-1Q CD . The only 'thino that concerns
me is- the traffic anc:l I real l t,, thi rnl•:: t✓ oc.t should look at
that a little bi. •t . 1" he gravel has to come from some �
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ac:: e9 1: t_tnder <_; t•. arnd -that . I •t ' __: I:ac-? e? n no •t bead i iv :i. r; Q
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ne ?c •t •t. o GIeaason ' s bt~t •t for •t III e tilneS the trLACkS cao in
and ol.tt. of -there and I k:: nca �s tlnca <. c � <.� t. :il l.l :l <at. ic::arae l�s ;:;rr- e pl_t •!
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there when we talked about his and vshc_•? n he closes it toot
:I: think- the field i s ac-A nc:f to be.? bet. •t:. ear .. S7c�mr.• s:son <•:al i v .
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know -the nei. clhbors don ' t: agree lrsi th tastnaat I am saying
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1:a1_lt •t10-1a 't:. is what:. lY1i:14:: c ? c : -t:. he worlcl c:ao �...w• Ol..lnd . '10' h; e o n I Y;
Ith :i nca i A agaai. n ., :C real. I �✓ holae �✓ ca �.l Wl .c �! s I car_ 1 at. the
•tr-• affir.. E-:dtl..lat:. iori . 1: t. hink t:. hat is probably the
biggest pr- oble :n . !!
ta „ l" Cl 'TMAnI " :I: f tl ; ere are no fc.lrther ccaminc= r; t. s T wcattld like to tlnGl
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✓ ot~t c-AI1. for- r. ominca . We have recorded evervthinca th !
trsac• to wi 1 I l::ae take1..; into consideration du
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o Lot r del ibc-er- ations . ! i• ;! otoot araree or don ' t agree , Vs (If
•t. he best. we know ho >;s . Manv of the cJec: isi. on floe
l ' I ann i. ng Board rr-jal•. es- are bai.-. ed on the laws we havc
work: with . I ran {tndc-! r <.Stancl vo !tr• f eel :i racas when vi
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we don ' t care what they are doing . Until I bee. aa!
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member-- of •the gl. a n n i nc7 board 1 di dr•i ' t:. Lin derst: and why
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they do whet -they dc) . They c: an come 1- er- e with their-
own ideas but t:. hev still. have to follow -the cat..ti. deli new.
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as set out inthe local and state 1 r- efer•• ve) c.c to
the r- CMB -taurant. ! bar- situation on Rt 222' . •That was
al :l cmA4ed with a zi te-- F= I an F" evi ew . 1. rt order- to tt..tr- n it
clown you wot..tl d taut st: i. gul at i ons in that they had to
follow and t1-) ev had to actree -to th -) m or- they oc7ul d riot
c:) per- ate . Wh :-::tt vot..0 r- e sayi ntl is we-,t r:) ut r- ul ens :i n anci �
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don ' t follow t-t1::) on them . We can (rlak: e st..togest. ions and j
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have the people aqr-- ee to them . If thev ar- e not. being I
followed and Vc) c.( ar- e cal l i nc+ the town office like you
sav x1ou ar- e doing and noth i nci is done about it . then; 11
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can see whev- e `✓ (::) t..t would 1"tave a feeling we ar- F:-2 C 't
fof1. c:)wi. ng thr- ouclh . That prI oblem will be addressed .
L. n I••tOF: R1N G 1" (".1N (1r--e we ci.rl l :i nq he right per— <sor :1
C3 . T 0 1" M Al\10 'Teresa Robinson is the 1 efaal. head of the town
(government . Nor- ma :l :l y . the Zoning Er-if orc-.-ement Of f i earl
is called . but i. f you call the *Town 5t. pervi sor- or- th (I
Town Clerk car -the town) office itself -the Zoning C:lf f i1
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will be notified .. Thank: Vora acaain for- comi. na toni. fal;
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1: now ctec: :l rare t:. he public hear" :i nct closed .
1 . (41 (; 1-. G (=, R E 'T (=; . !=' ftl_- MIER . DO C: EI"; •TI: FF" y that at the 0 (Ab1. i ;j
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hear.. inc;i in the manner- of the GF; AVEL f'11NEI.- r) r (*5r) oSed by (:; ORTLAt<. D PAVI
CO . Located on Clark: St. . Emt . 'T• own of Grro -tol-i 'Tax 11ap 11o . 1. 6 - 1. 2C") t
by -the 'Town of F ' l. annin (3 ] soar- d at ICI (" (-) n (:aer TC :I. vc:l . Town of
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(rrotc) n on Thursday . 1=7ebrt..tar• v :i. 6v V?489u 1 did take the ff� ] nt..lt. E: oh
hearing and •t. l...ie fore ( d3oi. nc.I is a •t: r- t..te and exact c: c)pv to the best of
ability .
Mar• C3ar- et _ A .. ._.. 1=''' al rre _ .... ._ ._. _.. _.
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"TOWN OF k314, 07401\1
1- £ , t:) r !_l tr" ✓ 16 . 191139 ' 9 no 25 l'p" M ..
BOARD PUBLIC 1=' FilwSENT
* (oo 1Dr (:.ie Tot4. mal"1 „ Chairman Gary Waco . Code. Er-oforcefnc_) nt
* Cecil Tt::ai (aca O + •fi. c:- er•
' tarsr :4. , '7t Tool 1< i. n C' ol l eei� i F" i er" <_ . on . '4row n m Firi::
* Monica Carev Carol Mark: s . DeDUtV Town Clerk
] ( i 1 :! C; ra =_ c..) I ar•• ; a 1._. ( ? :! eulc:! Cornel i !_ls . Town Hi cl !-lwarav
* David C:. hat ter -tor, Ct_ oc-: r• i ntendent
"Ier' C"acit Robinson . rt ) w:r'1 Sl_! {:) ( ? { '✓ a ": clr'
f prcasen 't_ i S Lot e Cami n u :'*; 84 F` 1 easarl 't Vl v Rd .
Case . : t '.) 2 F=' l. e� as <�arlt. Vl v F% cd .
GEORGE TOTMAN . C". hai, rman . opened -the FIl anni na Board
meeting at 9e 25 F:) . m . after the (:- 1osi1-1a cif the pu1-) .liC hcaariness .
SITE
.... NLAN _ REVIEul ._.. o' :f:. .._ Rroposed ..._ Blue ..... Heron Bed it. Br. eakofast _ located _ at. .._ 384 ._
P.I., easant. _._Va11._ ev .__ Rd.u. v.. .... Town __ of •_ Grot.on4_ _... l rop_. osed _.. by `sue __ Cami_ n ^_ ,_. Tax, .._ Map_ .._.
No . 3 ^ - 1 ;
So CAM I N u.. :!: r- t..ar•1 't. l i ee 1::( l u (.:? Heron B (e? cl a Br c--� t: k f a s 't. F : : ? ::. ? r �✓ ,:t t. i r.:) r1
Service rei? an ' ' I.Yrt_! t. a bled and 1'area1•:: f :=: ' •t:. :in ISZV hol.l '� e for.
�a e. I .. and .! �:rt (r1 1. o o l•:: ;. r, n t o
co✓ er" flow wt=en : e� I000ds ofll. ot✓ and fnr i. f E,-, (-) rneL-) r (JV kIa !=_. �_•a 1D1L.tf7113i fool C+
t) reai•:: and f* he:? v 1"Zr"'tVe? r.mnople 1. have to 1'fcl '`✓ ki.' r_• a r.Sut
iTh e m and l 4 i Clt..11" e3 (-1 mV p ! a(� C w! a ":: t: kle3 easiest C)1"Ze . ! have ti ! ) edr" CJC3f(1S .
I. have a dc) t_! !::) :! e? he (::1 i r•1 one bedroom and ::a day bed in the sec-: c-n"1 (-1 bedroom
and in the l i •vi nca room I !'la •ve Cou. Ch t. hat pulls out into a It eoul ar- bed .
G . TOTMAN : Does evervbocIv under (... . ar•id w !"ta 'L. 17c.tsa. n e s s she i s s :i n ?
C . l" WIGGd No .
G . TOTMAN ; Wc) u :l. c1 VC) u e .t p l �ni i. n tc:a •they Now c! wl"lat. v (attr rnai n lat.t ! :i .l. Ite� <� s,
:i Map ":
S . CAMINe l: run t::a reservation service 'f (ar• a b (_) d and tare : tF:: faW. t „ 1
do ncat, sawn �t:. kle 3the, t) ed and breal:: 'f ast: rs. . I it_t =_. t book the r-- ootli::> .
PC.-? opl. e call men "f' hi =_, i. ?_ wlly there i � no ? icar) out inf {' ont. of Helen
0T <. e? rj ' <.: - hot..ts (m? in dotfsr'1 •town Groton on 1:�: . Cor 't :4. allc1 `mot:. . C:il"1e !ac) (ab% u thlrc�t_tr_Ih
me , She dc:e !: not take people cuff -the street and 51-1c_s hook: `*- t. hr- cal. gh men
She :is one of -they odes . i•dt_tst :in Manor on Ovid Fer- uville Rd . 1-looks
t_ - e tat:. e .throt"tc:Ih nle . I have atc _ •t ':1 (-) ! e (l and breab:: 'fa tf.nrm ' (
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oleopl e call rile and I call thecrl and Ct4=• k a. 'f thev have ctvai 1 al::) i 1 i tv for"
sc.tc:: I"1 ar•1 (.1 s !_tCh for sr_) marry people? artd -they say ves ( ar rl (::) and -then we
ka cao k: 't. kl t rsl .,
Go TOTMAN : k1hat s: he is t. al. t :i. rla at:) ot..tt is 4z.il"1 l: f she has
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sorrel::iody r:ihe? C.:: arl ' t Iao (ok for •t. l"lctt n i (atilt n she wJi-tr1 't. �7 to have a place to
pt_tt them . I: asi, cal 1. . what she i. s ask: i nca 'f orl" i. s a re (aul ar bed and
b r" e d: k f zct s; t :i. rl I'•1 ee r- 1-1 o (rl e? .
Bit CASOLARA : It r:. eeams to Me} the mos •t'. I; t_tmtser'• (-) of peoples vot_t (::: an h <:ctve
is f (.-) u '•• ar'1d there would be n (::) more t1-larl 't:. wa (::) c: ars .
1otacae — 1.
S . CAMINe "I here l�il , t.: 1 c1 be1"ic � r !:al:arn f car' any more !::ae� capl. e . Iaril r have
cwi (i? l) ca t: h r o c Ti .
G . TOTMAN : By I < tt t !:5he can ' t have any cnc-ar ( than f c) t_tr- pecap :l e
.I. + ._. I i c? t-t to !::> a n v more than . ,_, t_t r- then it L-a e c s:un s. ? ;:.; a different
c: 7. S i + icaticanW _.. Are there any more C. UE. Sti0f-1 !5 ?
D . CHATTERTONa. It doe- sn ' t < (::a (-( nd like a uroblem to (fie .
* * -x- D !aar• d l::iasvj no I:ar (:ab :l. em with ti"ae prcar:ac.:ac; to :l -w• •a(• *
G . TOTMAN : Ycat_t t_.( ndersUm—id t.: hat. if this Board gives VOU ri pel"' rnit to
do •t:. l at. . that t a •t. an `l one G7 t i ale `JC:at_t r_. an ' t tlav (2 more than f c) ur"
pLeop1. e ':'
S . CAMINe Ri c, !...i it
Bm CASOLARA . I t:. I ..sink thti i ! > cc:aris :s -t:. ent with -the w <_tv we t•t <':.'tve hzu..id :lec:1
otherr:? < > t �tt:a :l. i !-:. hrrtc� rit:. !� of t:. t"d t: �; pe . I dc� r't ' t tl-ai nb; t !-af ? r- F:? :t r: <ctn �r need
for. a public. hC:. ar" i. nC7 for thin .
VERL RANKIN made t:. hr-..? 110 "(• I01\1 •t_ h *:.1 Plat; r'ii. n (::1 Board t..tee t:. lie
! , L ort. f o rra!�r ' a .::7 :1. ' .. E' "' . . ctlTt (^; C? `✓ 3. (=.'. w tclr'tCi 41ct ". 'J (W' r.'.t pl..lt:al 1 C: tleet1"' :1. I'lCl can tt'a (? Y" E? C! l_! e 's 't.
c+ f aUE CAMIN + or the BlUE Her" un Bed ?< Break- fast lactated at :`�84
F ' :I. ? <':t <.zsao t { ) al :l ev ! ? ci . . 7" c:aajra of Groton . "! »; Mstp No . =?: ' - :t — n DAV I U
CHATTERTON second the motionti
M0i" ION t: r=R :' IE1)
DAVID CHATTERTON made the 110 "FION the Pla1.•aninca Board
AE F' F`tOV" the Sits•? P l ar'i Review for the Blue Heron Bed & Breal:J a = t•:.
rectt_tes: t. ed by (. UE CAI1I : 1\1 located at 84 Pl. e-iaaw:san t. Val l ev f d . . '1- cawri of
Gr- cat'. on Ta .•( Man NOU `.:i :�_' 4.41 aait. ti the �• t. i. pt_tl. ati (� n that nca meat e than
feat..tr pec:aple and tw (::) ca ie : are < tr..: r... tarrarnta ( i <_; t: c;. d at:. or•ae -tirriea MONICA CAREY
sec: ond the mnt:. icaraq
t.' f11" E:i: u AI.._ 1.4. i n f: a % of
MOT 1: ON CAFs' R 1: ELa
PRELIMINARY SITE.. ..... I.... ..... ..... ...I TE PLAN REVIEW for CASE TE' UC K.' I WG I oc aft ed at = (.) 2 P I eaasa� nt
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Va� llev Rd . . 'Town of Groton :
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( . 44HRTI RAI�1 ;; UJe 11a�. `J ( '� t t1. i;. E-., i-! �� 1::) ol..li-. 't . ! '1c? C's <_t > i:? !-) :r ca :) SY.. .k y a. n l: s:� > t: snE ? c? 'L. :i r'1i-1
aI"1fi lrJ { = tia `✓ eea Fient t et 'tt' e3 to !`'! !' . ( a ! C-J enar (_la. ni:3 the bl.jsi muss R { c: WFRS
0.Y" Lot 1'-1 I"1 i. rl Cf 0 ri F l e?? at c is I41 't:. V as .1. 1. e v R d . I"'{e� :i !iii 1"'t G? r C--:? t O r{ :t. a h t t (:) Cj :l ' i C: (..l E , '. s 't !'l E�
of cset. t. i. nca appr" avGal for- the I-iUuii. rleSs . He sUlamittr: d an
t1: polo J l :: at J c) rl . UJe have wasl: e (J hi m to come ton :i ah 't:. to (rleet with a.:: he Board
aan (I give thte Board the oppoi 'l:. urii 't- y to t � :tk: + with 1ri. rsi fc )! inffc ) r in at. i. orl
r" f Lot t L: r e r_! e. I i. t:) (e? r a� t. i (-) n s . ] l i. c:: k: e w o c.! ]. c:l �J r.:) t..l 1. a ! :: e t r_) e:? :; �� 1 �� :i. n t_ o 't 1' i e
Board IF t: l"1e-' hest votool know how , Vill'1arkt `✓ oUr bt_t !-5i nc, SS i i-z• and wI la:: t. 7o t
e? rltal :i .t <.�� as -far a:as tra:.'� f •fic' on tR'-ie to and on t4'ote:? 1-) r• (-) y-:ter 't. v itsel -f .
1-; . CASE: : The property i s a::tyalxr- o >: i ntate]. y 6 ,:acres a"arid I a- (n
C) pelao.atinc; 7 c: 0fninercia '.L vPt'1 :1. (::: 1E :? s 45 off tf-i -1t pr• (3p (-? r-tv . Four o •f which r•• !
:I. (.) whee1. er d Lot in ,_.� tr Lot c4:: ! acrid -loo: h tr* le e of oti+ foot icfool a:ar' e trar_ tor -• t la- zailes`-
c: (::'. (n 1;:) :i n a t i i::l n s n .I. iota al J. r1 t. Vol e I-) U S: i n e !5 is o i• 1: 11-6 a t n s. of e:? r r i n o in i t e r" i i:.a I f t"' o in o n e-1
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(It_LCAr- 1"' y i'_ (:) a Job site or somebody :' �s txl-Li ]. d i. rtcl project . housi nct
J. a-t ;i : ) - ini Ie- ra::t ,JiUSo of the ir) t) . 'That << ;
y ) t"' ('? i (_ ( t. a tJh1 < � t. (r'ver a � r; ' ... t. ]. W ylI 7. maar' 1 .t 1
t:. hle l:it_iMP ` t: r- Uck: •fear arave1. at c-1spha' t q stone: . I also rclove bUl k cement
wi tI..l t. he:? tra:actor trapti :I. r? r" sn 1: t..tp pI y !__ ewt:) ro Ready - Nix with bt..cl k c::: esner"1t
oUt crf F'OCI-H"-St:. er• . TI'io4se are I3robz.tb1v the:a trucks eve: ryhod •y hears ir•i
t. I-t e in (") r C'1 ].' I"1 (-t R. e a :t `✓ J. rot i-1 at 1 i (n :i n (;.i i s (::) 'ff abt e s cot (s? n c em•' i n 'too:. h i != In Lot Si 1-1 e. 1:* c a tool d I
h0� -ve to be or, the ( aaci early .
(7 Lot r' a=1ccdes' s too. ( ? 1'": ton or he r:1t:. i1 '(". e r' c:) ctl::I !?s :1 s
PI eaa. e:iasnt tUaa .l. I e `✓ For., d . wh i. c: h I S cA CO oa:ad n Wfe a ]. so travel
a" i. n !-: (?? r 1-) e:? ii:t :_( ; ; 1�:r.:l . (':, i-) :_':; " ! ]::( a:a rl d 1rJ ! ? C R cl C:) i'". c (": C : aK " . i. { 11 t t. I"' ai `✓ C? :t t (-) 'd r.:) c (:) (] .t Hill ff,: cl
(-1 (niwn to Rt . !t4B ..
.. . % � n t
J . ( t�JT. (.03 "!" t1e ! > ( ? ar' e Lotn .1 o ac! (: c:R l:. r ' t ( <::: I ; '
C� ASE:: n goo) y: er (-: er•lt. of the time they care riot loc-tded . t' t'lE : v cm.)
4: r- 09111 in h: (-)U !::i (_) to t:. he : ob aiii toe;? . 1: d brim (-1 :hoof sore-? inaat:. er :ir-tl n I I.-- ee �
y-) r o b a_�t h I y 't:. o 4 ]. g a d s o f c I`- Lot s h - r' toot n :t i in e s t o n e I t:) r- i. fool 0 i. n of r oall
S1•:: at1"ler.'at. eI ers ID C ? C coot lot se oof tI-Ie csshlort. r.'aae of ata:at. er i. a=YI i n t. I"1 i a"' ' = oofor
cUsI.- or(1ers teodhto cal I ilk loot d ta`daint:. :i t root ow and t:) pcca Lot s.e of the access to I.. h: .
c:lt_tatrries Fla - imrtr' i. :l. y th) ev are E':-' s11ptyn
For in J. s donf.?? at ghat site , t:. hl'i' � { Y" e :ita�'si. I"t (� n (= I"1e? 'f' t..( ! ? :t S rla and
wsasl"1I tool ( Cif' the `✓ ehi c: l e--' S ,. Mast i or repairs r" e�, a' lo- e done ait: Ca_aSIiev ' 15 wh Ch is
i. n 1:f. 'tna::t „ 1\1ew Yo1 ' I.: n
11 . (.%eAREY : I:; c ) �✓ c:) t_t (-: y� era t:. cw� c:) n lvR (-1rlr_I t �✓ 't:. hll'- o !_( �-R11 ' i �tt !_lrclzty ?
f, . (� ASE ° 1) Lot e to the 1-14:at. t_tl'- e CH: the constrUcti0n t) t. S. iness . I have
r. ca in a:x I:: e'.? tia 1 :i v i r'l o loot al I-) o Lot t £3 (lot(::) n t h s . We w o r k: a 1: t.: r `✓ t. o ct e t. :i 't. (-! c) r'1 r :i I"1
'f i vE": da'_ v hii To year ltJEru !'la 't `✓ f.3 dC3rle'e 1:7et. teY" yet'" 7. (11a1t 1. ,t y because I ttct1' e
afore eG1Uiy:7 (nen 't:. . t•'J (? d ( ) +r! (-Jr' 1<: Saett:: t_lr" caA %,js on o (::: c: a:asion . 1: of t:. tle you e 1aJ e1nV
wary not to , I dorl " t . W (.a it- I:: i. rotn hot..11'- =s I k: r') otr,t a:aI°' e goi. ric:1 to be a question
("Jh1ERn 1. ge -to. a r job where the `Jehi (-. . (•� s have to be i n Syracuse , we are
a:a 1. 1.:: i n a aI.., o loot t _ ( ` ', �• "
•i ,_ ,_1 to .I. n Lott r 't r a:rt v (;:? .t to loot ;.'i J. f I hr a v (-? t:. r_) 1::) c.•. a. loot r 1 a:l c toot :as e a.�a •t
t
to (_> ':_) o to. 6) : 0 0 J. t as :Zk v s t o cot 14- e g o :i toot g 't: a 1. e a `J e a t W d i_) '•.) .
k::+ . CA13C:ILARA 'no I) o vot_t !::it:. or e 'f t_te l ort -- s-i to ='
R CASE I have a I .C. aDO gallon abc VE? -•. c,3rOLAl"ld tank , I al o: o c3et my
of ue;I f rofn (-'-lgvm--t `✓ 1-::e ✓ '.... P (_( m { .) c:, atthe I.... !_? wbro <.::> :i. toe a:arl (:3 right odf: f Rot:. E3 :Id attheir site:a irot. F'oto :l. I< vi 11. e .
r
I=( . �� (-� �aC.tL F, ' � e I t k. t ; e c: l_( tc+ f f t3cai nt. 1 . L- (:rr; (:a �t :t .l crrr �=• far aLf� != "?
Go WOOD Yes It
CH "I" (�,► ]: LiC, ; "I" hal . f ( .; .l. y (�) t_t have on - i. t. E :i. <.-> f car rt <fa3r..: I ; �lp "
Ru C �- SE,,, Ye i-, ,, i. at S a SU13lp1. e (11e1'1t 1:. C•3 t !-ica l.:. csV r.3t..tm !:3s ;( a that T don ' t
have to have tip.- I..t C:: I<: '. ., :4. f 1-. ! r e v carat C:: C:) {Tl (ii? -to fTr ✓
sited fi. '' I I t..tp and Oe islae tdy for the next mar_ ni. ng rather tan tray (-.? l :i. ng
to I. . ew, br- c )' ' c, aY.. F=' a1. I:: v :i 1. l E .
t7 . 11d{::3 .ID What. vEar' ar (? •✓ cx�(_; r df� ! i. c: 1. cx
rt
! . (::; ll ;aC � 1" ! ; v are pr' :i. fTr � � t" i. 1. y :I. �? '7 t. a !. ' t :I: da11 t-. _trt L.tsil :: „
D ? t !-aat. 'z. ctn (--?d c r_immLnrc i et
t:t . "l" Il "I" l�16� I�! a ; t .lr ,-t :L ('lar i c c_tl. t ,..( 1~ it1. . S } ac ' r_tr'rt✓ t3C3r� d ? :l tic.' h'rt �✓ ( <: r; �d cat:. ha (_' r.
CI U Ec = 't:. :t. o n 5% `' Do V O t.f f e e 1. !✓ OU h E-t V e P' 1"r C3 (_t (3 t-r information •f r c: m h x (Tr <_:•c3 that
whei..i we ciet. d 3. ':iiCL.lts 'S5x nci the l::) rC? tiii and C. c) nt�, we' l ia `df' enal..lc.". I-) i of at"' lTtcitt 3. C:) 1'l `:'
C . 1tad1: (::+ { �� C+ `dal.l hla 'v ( ' c� ii `,� .1a1< (? l:al' aI : C-".=a C:ln c1n '✓ ( f ttl Y 1C7M:
F; ,. i : li iF: a yes arle? .
(,at . I. t J 1: { %3 > lades L.t l c:! t. fall a t. t:) (a? a 1:3 i. ca p r' c:) b l c .? m i. f you (::I i d riot p U t, t. Ill a t.
into ope3rati. arl L.trt 'ti I vat.'. ge' t-. f� Llt of the rlEi. C3lrh3r? 1' Itaad `?
R (1SE- ff.) i 1: t•Jati:i to l 1. i ng Mr . Udf::) acl y I I. r'iaw tl'3e t) i g vehicles at
offensive by sa ;_lrld and size they in 't: i. midat-le pi opla . I push f'fiy people
n (:3 't. •ta in tsil_t +;e the h :1 ghway or -t:. he n (.-.1i ghl:? c.31'.. IS I uncler <_ t ,,.ind !"row !:3eo !.:) I &
can caP •t L.tl:3 < • E1-. at 5a (K) in the morn i. ng when tl--ie trl.tcl :: s- go down through .�A e do try to I:: ( ? rnp t. l"1 (• ? n (:) i iiSe to a fnJ. n :L mt..tfT,r .,
B . CAG30I._. ARA w :C '1- 1"r i. r: I:: noise i. c:, an i. Br: cte . :1 :i :i ve on F=' l pasarit VAl l eV
F d „ 04• 4• the f• ' 1"icl f:) af' and one C3alf• the 3. Cial..te i 't:. hat. CC) ncer—ens me
J. s v, hr: n thcz t. rt_tclits cc) rrie dr_) wn Cinc: c. r- tre::' aux F. ci . to thlE f:: aY 1'lrY . t !'le r c� aci
i ' r ( ' ✓ 'd C C � d E' Y C ? lF a- c [ ms tiic3 nrrrat"J that w rcarl 'tl"1E 'trucl-:: i-i tltrtl - L -1 e -
m `✓ I ciltwn and " tfJ3. th fit4' I:: xdtsi i. t i. s a real CanCE -A-1 •fall.. mE .
F (P: ASE::: a :i :tlr, avic,.Otre calf t:. hc.? d -.i s. t. rancC•... J. al:: e s t. t y f (:a r t. ! ; (= t s~ ;..t c k: is at f 3
tLA1'- rr Car- nerd: . t3 (_tt VC3U ai tom;C3 have t:. C3 realize when wee ar- e (:3 './ eI t:. he (". e we
a r' (-: 1PJ e:. l 1. IN :L .._ � 1-'' .; (.. 3. ghlt. a •f 6aaV . l' I..iat r- art (:! x n p ; tr. .ta. c: t.t1. <�tY.. x =} x n 13ac1
es I-r a p e . That road w r_•t c=• x rr f 3 ra c:! c l r a!3 e trJ e 1 1 L.% c ' f c) r' e 41 w a s a. n ( 3 !:3 e r a 't :i a n . G
!"'tc`: 'de t. al I:: (::? cl VJ :I. th 'tI'iE D (e? I::) t_t 't: �✓ t... C? fYt (Yr :L '.Sit x c.:) r1e11~ (:lrld hey !"lave p .1 arlsv •f ar'
cafTri. nca this- aLAC31 thEr E t^J :LdEsri. rrg andrr� t3 ;_ti. lc:ii. lrca thatr c:, c_id .
[ ; ,. tad {"1 {:lI:} What: r_. Sian yaL.t (Ja t. r.) k: c--.? ep t:. he:? nai. '.q_,. e clown ? I ' ve {;aot -to
bel i. eve th'taat [empty trucks are worals y than ft_tl l trt..tc- ksn
all
!�: . (::; t� MF... a L.. ik: (�' tfa'ri. <.si c3e� ntlenran asked <::tbc) Ut 'ttrE iai:: E bral•:: Et.w . Whe1-1
it is early , morning ar- late at nicaht out paliCy ice' not to a -: c. them .
Other t:. fartatn tl-rall:. 4 4-- :!. r' haraI•:: eis 10.rav (-:� at (a t3E applied :i : VC ) U Otr' e cacti. rlg to
hav (;a a sa -fe c) peit.. atic3n . I would fTu.lc..: h rather have my l.a (3 '✓ 5 LASi. 1-10 the
bra1-t (.� si •than trying 'tc) t:..= 1. ide t::tr0Und Cc:) roneF.- t�i . 0 +- h er thcln ,rt_t +-> 't:. a r_tc3rmal
speed . there i. stal :t t. much I (_'• can dc:+ as:) aUt the nai sse° .
C " t" WT. Cata ° I dor't ' t !_ itirtk: tLte rtcrsYtal 4tc i. . c c:} f re� h :i. r.. 3. e =, is that
FA n r, o `J :i. r'i {:a Y (-.) a t'. a I•:: {ed ::"a e () +.) a. ri -the ('ft (:) r n i n (_l and '(-: h ia 't. i !_t k: e t) r" a l': e t a k e it a
h't o 1. d .1 „ 1•:: n vJ t. h <a 't. w i 1. 1. w i::t k: (:-? N. c:? l..l 1.t I'D " 1' h c.:) <.=, e t:: h i. r't ca in: a r- a r-i c) t. a ri a r" m a :I.
t. rraf + i cz Itoi se "
R C:; o. aE:: :1. t tt t.'- he saf E. st'. t) r' rah:: e to rase "
C: ., "M ]: t~; G I sTt not G; avi no th'te 'y ' re-, vJr (:and d but in that: r) ei. eahLaor' ho { 3d "
I ' fY) wonderirlg ItovJ th'1e.•.? y ar' {'i' with can E_tn1oadice' d vel"'tic: 1. t ? .
F, " C C1 CSC That ' s true " For- a loaded trr.lc: !•:: co (rti. nca down a hi 11 "
tha 't. ' 4._s wh � '!':. we pr' :i. fTtt_tr :i 1 v c.t <.te them f (:) r „ 1: would also I i I•; e: this lad % t. o
,Understand that there are stti 1 k: trucl:: s comi. nq down throt_( cah there ait
" Q + � :i. n t:. h e m o r r't i. n g ., Odds a r' e i. t. i it m y t r t_t c 't k: vJ i t I-t '%
� r" u C k: s Out t. t: h't e r e "
"
I .-RppreC i ate Vot..tr (concern rand it is mV conc: ern also but i. t i. rt I:iar t of
my Ljt.ts- i ness thiat': I have 'to 'Live with n
S " CAMINo I a1. so have a conc: erri ahoc.tt the C_ h (..tna:: C::, along the: eydca (-tia
" : r1 . ; CYCthLn (;rf the road in front of my house That r J c ' i 4
two ✓ ears ' acaca t) ecatase t.+ hen I moved i n i t •Jae di r" t and thev veere in tl-ttr
process of , vJorL:: ir; rj c3ri it "
CAS.aE*4* ,, If vol_t ' re, e t:. at ]. k: i. nn at) o ("( t. the 1:1c:) (_( r') ty rc.) ad t. h'tat v4al.>
re- SL. r4: aC. ed arts! t hie F:tr o !� lerft o £ t. lte r, ht � 4; l :: s is rtot t. h; e tr' c.t ( I:: r, hactt the oil.
and ;isphal. t. that. they (..tscz.• d wias an a. fYtl`.) it oper fTt :l. X 't Ure "
C; " TwIGG '1" ho e eMpt. y tr-_ (_tc:: h; s vJ0U1. d1- :1 t he hard on the roi:ad
F4 C.%AiE: 141 - empty wei ( ai-t :' 0k0 +=) C po (..tnd sit
"
C 140WIt + C3u YC. LA LtRVe a 'lot of r + ac::l C:, (..(rfar.: e ..
(:: .
I': ., t... f=:)Si::» T f�) J::) r- e;? %td cac: ra1 t45
+•1 " FOO, (0") N1-::: 14N Cor- n 'y " are those trUCk: i-, hard afr't the road!:-i "?
L. C] 0Iz;' NE I.... 1US !'BRA emp 'tv t:. r (_( (wh rig 'tl-iat rc:) ad i !S shot_ ianwway .
U " T0l'T"if= N: What: his r" erYtark: s meant wam' that road iC in S (..( Ch't bad
c ortd :i. ti. or't ric.) w . that. until :i. t. i. s re•? �:) ca :i r' eci 't. h'terr? i. fy:irt ' 't rTt ! tchi sYto1 { ? t' hat :i s
ca c+ i. 1"t ca t 0 h-� U r' 't. i. t "
S " They •i t_tttt red i d it t:. in front Of rftV 1"10ct <te 2 vears < t (:Io
vtl7c= rt :I: moved i n "
( Y ., "fU11v1 �-il�ta TL) iat:. ' <.t the <tamEa r" c) ad t. ltea I:aeop :lr-a ear 1 :ic� r k:. o4ti (:4ttt= were
c: orrp 1. ai rii ng r:RL".) ot-tt that. goes {down into F' ert_lvi .l l e "
R CASE: 14: anybody hart any ft-lrth-ter- clue st. iorttt I ' ll. It {' ? a1. ad t. o
answer them « I ain r'iCat. th') E'1"' F to C ctt-lcSe a1"t 'J preat) 1es'n5i and if thereal" e
any {:: (:)sT) I::) 1. a :4. 4tt '. ; or problemini with fTt `J dr' :L ` (. ? r '.t onr I want to hr.-Rat'
them "
1 ? AI... ':Bt..lSII'DN1ESS
BILL CASOLARA -. he mc� 'tJ. (.-) n -the J ant_t {:4. ry 19 . 1. 981:? .
mis°it_ttess be as::i ~aroved as read ., MONICA CAREY se� cnnded the m (ata. ctn „ AL. I_
Wak? I' e :ir'i f :1 '+. Clr' r nC:4 Ill fi-+ t': i. L7n lcryrr' iE: d .
PROPOSED MINOR SUB DIVISION _.. proposed _ b .y •__ RICHARD _ VA NOR DER locat, ed _ at. the _
intersection of Pleasant Val l._ e `✓ _.. Ede and Torok. _ Rd .... . Town .._ of . Groton . Ta >:. .._.
.. .
I"! .ap ..... No .. 36- 1. - 1 .... 1. ...
G . TOTMAN' : What. i SSue do you wa +_, rit. 'to ta1:: e ut.:0s first . T' la (= r e i t:: 1 ie
first SUbdi v :i. si on -that came in , is the tr i ri g. nn c ipi_tr rat i. can arid
there i. t_=. -the site plan review for I"Ir . Case . Do Vot_t want to take them
in th (n7e or (-der •t. hat wet '-them ?
.1.. he Minor Subdivision that was t::) reset-it:. (-� d to t..v= by
VanOr- ders „ I ' m not sure whether tie aoreed with what I said t. o Him or
not W but . , if tie is (1 (3i nr.3 to put. i. n deec:4 or'- what. ever vot_t
want to call them . thev st'toul d be sst..tb(Tli 'tted to US in wr i t. i na and
shouti d be `;i nc. l. uC1ed i. r-, t-. Ine p <aic_ kaqe we are c_ oni5i deri. no . Although „ t'te in
his own mind plans 'to do it , he told (rye that tie tal k: ed to his at:. torne*v
-today and his attorney 47. 01. r..t h :i tri •that he didn ' t have to do :it and it
wasn ' t the I-icil. i c '✓ to have them in writing , I ' m not Sure wI-ier- e Sh (:a waCS
comi. nca from bt_tt. I told hi. m she was wror-, c,.1 -that if he was putting deed
r (? =, t. I is - tions in tie had to aive them to us in writing . ►° t is J. ri c, t..tI"
(. rrii I iance , 'th {att if 't:. I; eiy are c-! oi. na to have dee (.1 restrictions ., the Board
t; a5 to have t tiem i n wir i t :i rig
BILL CASOLARA made -the MOTICI1\1 the:t t=' 1. ar-inina Board tabus:'
's-in the Minor Sub (-..4i vi sit card proposed by RICHARD VANORDER at
t:. t'ie intersection of 'l" cirol:. Rd . and P1. easant Vallev Rd . in the Town of
„ „ �t
Groton .. I +:a ;, ' Map n, lot t tr ,,
t. 7. 1. t. l-, e t ' :I. +:.trila t ncl Board r ec: car •✓ (:rs the
proposed deed restric -tions in writi. r, ca
G . TOTMANe What I Wa ,::ts gc:ti r', g to (say is , we car-t do it two wad✓ <.-s . We
cart do i. t. wi. 'tti -t:. he (ru:itiori <_: c.: -? i :11 just rirca4::icislWci taro we can . i:iasic. a :i. :ly
what we are e: ciricerned wi tt .i i. ss the di ,✓ i di ncl Up Of the 1. aI... d „ whether i. t
me.1et: !-• the c: l"' i. t. eri a of what: our and policies are zwid approve :it
fi: ont. ir'igent L. pon (3e 'ttinO the deed restrictions because if he didn ' t sav
he Waal G (:ilrit7 � ? � "� +- 't. ,"" iction +'i we waot..t .I. dI"i ' 't. i:l !� I: fCi (' t. I'7etr'ty' 4 ) l_t 't.
t ra t'i cl '1• (: deed C. CI I 1z. .�
because he sa 'vs • he is (ioinra -to have them , we have to have them in
wr1 't'. 1nrl
VERL RANKIN lsiecond t: t'ie mcat. i. r_inu
VOTE � ALA.. in favor
MOTION CARRIED
MINING _ PERM I f ._.. reguest by CORTLAND PAVING located on C l ar E:: St . Ext . ,
..... .... .... .._ _ _ _. __ _ __ _ __ ._.. .._ ..._ __ ._ _ ._. .__ _ _ __ ._ ._ __ __ _... .._. _._
Town
..._ of. .__ Gr- oton ,_ _ Ta .x ..._ Map _.. No . _.. 1. 6 - 1 - 20a_
G . TOTMANa I4ir? re ( t_test. for the rr, inirac operation on Clark Cit . tflli �tt'_
I Would Suo (-� es—t•. 9 I zvyi of-i l y a Board member „ I wot_ll d 5- UM-aesit:. Wa (' C atr",
d i. .. cuss i. t i: cir7 :i cl4it at ! � om ( � length if was see i. t bl .tt. my stscaczr.= �-. t i. Ctn
would be 't'- o hold off our final ! t. i ) i t_t 1. �at 't. i, c:il t <.: 'that We w (::) t.t :I. d p t_t t into :it
-anti l Wae aet 'the mint..t 'tes from the public hearing , We wc:aulcl be remiss .,
I k:. hi. rik: a i. •F w � di. con ' t do t:'. t"i ,=tt: . 'l•• her; for' ma1i. Z (• 0? our <s, t :i. pt_( 1. a •t. i (-iris; put
them in wari. t. i. ncl and 1: have told Mr . Sc. hae 'Fer and he has al sst_tred me
that tie has 'tc 1. d tv11 „ (.:lttenslihot who r.:iwn; s Cortl :- rid Paving that if We
approve the opera t.: i on was will put s* t. :i. t:it_t :l ati oriS and aui. de :l i ries on what.
he cart do and that he will Sign it and Say he agrees to them to
f orma .l i .-ze t:. he i s. sutance r_) f 't: l"le p A Y c-lt_te <.-> 't.A ort s a.tbOUt. that ""I
V . RANKIN : We did the safne
' thing with Roger and according to the
- rov .lE tonight. they � � . � r ' t carried out , will. see that the <y
e
are carried out ?
G . TOTMAN : Goc:ld I:7oi. n -t: . With tl-ie refnar- l:: <. > that made tonight ., I
rea l i v be1. i c ve that. 1-. 1"1ty did have some r.:li_ces 't:. i. ons tt') er_ e . I f we
are: to lac.at. restrictions on the c, peration ec::) mebodv ShOLAId follow
through and m <_kt; e i:rIt..tr- c t:. t1c� �✓ are L:) ei. Ilca t:. �-al :: er; c:: ar O f . 1: t:. hi. rll :. Bill wi»t
I iaht when he sakid to them that if ti-lev had a problem it ajas: their
I•" e <::i �i c) n S7. bi. I i. tv t'- o call Someone ai—id let know , whi c h r to My
!:: now ". edge n haS not belen done ,.
V R � L ° Teresa , t tI lave -'ie%Y (::: al led you '?• RAI �P•. IN .
T , ROBINSON . YeSo
G . TOTMAN : wer_ c-a t !-ley f r" (7cn one r:) :•_ar <..son Or' 8 Val"'iOc_IS r'tUMbler Of
F.) ec) poloc lo"
T . ROHINSON : 1' wca E� c� os7le:� .
G . TOTMAN : l= r- Orn what. I .; uVE.ft: �:.iai cl . c! oe <. , sofnebodv want something
di f f er- ent . clone ? 1: am t. a :l. l:: i no about t. l-le e i-id reE-iiUl. t .
V . RANKIN : "l ►; er- e is anotiner Situation . I dit- ove by Roger ' s mine .
A a f <otI'" atS t, 1") (i-Be ipri'. o (:) .l e hc:.ave commeretand and ROgeI'" :i 't:. i S 4jOi ncJ bac'. 1•::
to farming .; I don ' t: tI-link it is ever going to go bar_: 1:: to good -farm
I r-tncl arizai n . Ycau " r' (-.a taking <. t. t_If f c..1nd rneat.: i-i Out and putt i r'1 (-! ott1e t:. o !::)
a I :- on top and yot..t are going to have c: hole in the arOLAnd
anvaaay . Wt'len they <. say they are going to Pu 'l_ it !::) ac l<: into farm land
after they have t: at;: en all the n1•" a `✓ el e:, t..tt . I don ' t believe i. t . I ' m
.i uSt. t > avi. r') c1 thi S l: ? ar 't:. Oi: the c> i. l t_t � t l:. i c) r) :1'. dc:lrl ' t:. l:: nr.� s^� whG:tt:. t !-1 (-a ✓ �iret
going to do about i. t but it aji I I never be l:7t_tt. I::) acbt to good f arf)1 '.Land
a 0 iit i rl .
M . CAREY : How cnt_cc: 1-i of (3c) oda1. e:) ' s:_• 1-) roI..) r-_. rty i rlOr.:)c:l of arm :I. ar-id , i t_tSt
a.tl:3c) t..tt:. winat t_ hev as , ant to mi rle . r- i (7ht: ' '
V . RANw. IN : His .1akrid is al1, good tillable -farm land .
C . TWIGGe So wl-lat you were: cr_) nc. erned about wasv the enf or" c- emer'lt. of
t h i. =.i r :i ca h t '"'
G . TOTMAN : That':. ' s what. the end rc St_t1. t:. is (-toi nq to be .
Co TWIGG : It :i s not of"+. r'. responsibility t_tS ai f=' 1. ann i nq Bc) ard to
e to, force t1-li sa i. t fnt_tst be..2 the Enforcement Officer Or.. the l:) ol i ce
ager) c i. es ca1'- Somethi ng a i sn ' t i t ? I mean I can ' t Cgcj up I-As e# member- oof
the Planning Board am-id Sav ' you are doi l..I g t. h :i S aar" Ong '
G . TOTMAN : tf) s an i rid i. Vi. dt..ta1. yot_t would be putting Your head i. n a
noose .
Pa (.-.i e --- *7
C . TWIGGO, So the only people wt•ic-, can do -that is the :Zoning
I'"En -f orcemdr; t C] f f i. cer ':'
G . TOTMAN : 1herc ? is anothert. tii. l"i (a that (_ 11 ; l"; tl-) l ) r� r'; here . l: f wec� c-? t.
eriot_tgh Of Cc-) mp :l. �.; i nts:* 1&m: t:: -to t. l...ie F"l anni nth Board , t) et:: �u� - e w (e are t. t' e
ones who give tl' i (_? permit , we ar - e the ones; who c. e 't the stipulations in
there ,, 6•Je can r• evct:: e that per• sr; i t .
Bo CASOLARA > It= tf"iRt s: t: i. pt .tl Tteci in the persT; it ':"
G . TOTMAN: It i ssi ra matter of law .
G . WOOD : That paar •t: ict_tlaar one (::loes =s , " Until revol•:: e ' , I tl••; ink,
it d (-..) e•? si .
G . TOTMAN : We can pt..tt •t. hat i. n there .
Be WOOD : 1::: i. rst. you hc::T `✓ e to establish -that there is ra violation .
H . CASOLARAe We are caett. i. n (-1 into a Ic:•? ca <:al. :i. !aSue here -that: I am
t..t r; c. (-) m .• c.: , .. a tt :t .:: with -t h <:., i•.. i ::. -the MJ 1-i o i. e idea c:) t• e n f C) t'- c- e sri (•::? r•t 't a r•i ci
ess. trtt:, l i sshi. ng l egrs+ l. i tv . You :".-Tre talking abo :_tt sofT; ebodv ' s livelihood
and t (fiak. i n (3 and revoking l l::) er• sr; i t:. on the say tv (-) of some
G . TOTMANP. I woul dn ' t have :any part of tl•ai-tt , Bi I 1 . t:aaar• �✓ cars I er_
as violation
to t..t _ , Bt..tt . JA: theF :la::anr' ing Board gives; •t:. he permit. , sand
they puffs " the-? Stil-Jt..tlation in i. t , tI") ev are the ones kgI-; Ca would have -t: o
revoke i t .
D . CHATTERTON : Gary taJoul. d have -to c- on + i rm •t. hat t. hr-..are was a problem .
H . CASOLARA : Gary , do yot..t see -that as part of ycat..sl i cal ) , (.;het t':. i r'ig
evidence to get el l::) ;::•.' I" tT; i. t. rr.-' :vol•:: ed 'c''
G . WOOD : Yess. ,, l: do ,. no question .
Bo CASOLARA : So bused or) c- omp :l. r-.0- ritc: of the r" ec:s :i. de i... tasi ✓ ot_t would
ssi (:asrie type of procedure to i nvesst. i. rjiate -the complaint ?
G . WOOD : Absolt.ately . Piss I told Guido tonight , i t. is:. not my
US= _taal thi. nt-i to get. t..tp at. : ' � t_tr'; d � y nTc� rni nc� , aTsc7 I <s, sr; r: (-) t. I :i. i :: el `� t. o cac�
out exploririg .at 7ft0f) ISDu ; di~ay morning " But , given a call , I would
Certainly respond .
G . TOTMAN : Bear- i. n mind a:a :l. =_ic:) that this 1"; aassi l-) e (I In operation up
there. for a few ve atr• fci a=1I-id -the (::) n 1. v time VJ (:i? <at=i r.':t �� C) rlr' d t-iaa lr a=1f-) c:) ut 1. 't. .
because we are -the or; ec:• that i. <sisued the permit and we arar • (= the ones
that. •t:. hev are c5:ayi n (-1 have -their-r' heaada. 3. n -their- 'f anni es-:i . . . .
B . CASOLARAe I think it is -t: hat the residents are not
srlC) r•' t? CC) f.:Ir••ti '�.". ant C) : what to pt_trst_t (:? , to t'.:{ [? 't. effec -t: . their
Idi
CC:mp :l. aintt
G . TO 'TMAN : What l rsim getting at iseiq if they have all. •t: hesr-.:?
pr" obl. ems: -tl"; at they stay -they (;:lot „ why (Jo •they wait t. tWo C) r t. hree veaarss>
to come r_Ioaan here ;arid tel. I LA AbCk ..t 't it '?
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B CASOLARA : They (nay _.it.as 't. riot know hotrJ to .
G . TOTMAN : -fhe y I:: noWn they all I< noW .
Go WOOD : Not tx- t_te in the (-.) of Guido Petr- (.� l. :l a .
G . TOTMAN : :I car , Ilart"' i. nnt (.) n l:: ri (") grin Steve iJ. a) or; ri l:: notPae' .. 1 :i4:: e-? he sa :ic.I „
I'fe :is. not ("r.'t (.Iumimv , I'7e is a (::: o .l l eges (;? dt_tc at. ed man
BILL CASOLARA made the 11f.) TION the P :lannina Board tal_ . e
anv further- di scusr• :ion (::) n the
PAt1ING located on Clark St . lµ :( t - until the 13oEarci has had a r_' h <_lnc: e t. ra
review the m :I. nt_t 'tE? s of the I:st..tb .l i (::: hearing and di sct_( ?=ic:i it-. at. 't:. he:? next
meeting ; MONICA CAREY second the (ncit. i can a
VO "L• E : ALL.. :1 n 'f avor..
MOTION CARR I FCi
Go TOTMAN : My suggestion Woulc:l be either- Wait: Until the next
meeting which i. s the third 1" h utr i( -idav in I''1ar' (::: h , Which :i t-; 'fair- 1 y c.. I case? to
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When YOU would Want: 'to start something li. 1 :: e that ; or have another
do.(nE•. et:. :i. no i r; : . ,
:' :. ' L+ ( ' t. W( ? ( ? I , tl") f.:? 'tWC) (n (5? ( t :Ir1L� tin lll : e? I"lk'?' ; 't. Ihur (.=s ("IaV fir" .t_ Wee.-? I•-: f:'.:
•f1'- e, m tonight , and taL.E: the m �at_ t. e {"' r. ) {' �:. I'-te (n �. ) ; i r � ra r3 ( {'" (nit t .tla , l: iafn
rt..t CI ( 1e (:.: 't. ing WER I"'la `✓ e a me' et. ing 't: I (:? .:', n (::l of March , two ' -' e c fr (:a (n 'tori :I. (.) I661t ,
*do do
So that we ccarl have 't: l"1e minutes •f ` Om the 1:3t..tt) l i. c hearing to review .
* * •01+ oard agreed to l!:: he Mar (:. h 2 date * * *
G . TOTMAN : The puroopose of our meet-. i. nel "l" I-) t..trr.davn I1ar- (_ h 2 will be
to address `t. hle? mi ni nQ oI::? era 't. :i. on <:arld I`1r' a C ...( ses r" egt_te:' (a 't .. If the
in -forma -1- ion is in Can the VarlUrde' r subdivision We can ao c:iverod. to In at
:ct .I. �i(::) ,
REVIEW OF ZONING UPDATES :
Go TOTMAN : ..I_ he= Town Board has copies of the dr' a •4: t: of the changes
that. t. 1"1e Pl. ar) r'1i nc, Board has approve (::1 so far , llr_r �✓ (_) t_t t. c) sf� erdid s (-) a; c?
time: on that tonight or at the next meeti. nca ':'
V . RANKvIN : Let :' e try it -for the newt r- (- cg _tlar me ? eatirictw
Co TWIGG : What is. t. her (-a -t:. hat. vJ (= I"lave to do with t. idl :i. s ' "
G . TOTMAN : .F::( i. l l h (at= ( ) n top) of t. l"iat. and he c. arl answer that
(.yl.te (Sti. on t) et 't:'er t. hart l: c_ an
B . CASOLARA : I think: George isdo tl"le C:: 11 ( ; i. r al-) (.1 he car) answer that
t:) ett. er t:. han :I: TI"1e :i. 151s Lot E' r ( a1 :I. y it::in what :i tI' ) e rie ;( 't step that
legally has. 'to hatapen '' late have done? What: we consider. 'to be a
c0fT1f:) r-- ehe2n =J. ve revi. s:ii on o 'f the d (:af.. t.tmen t. e It has beers •f i ni (.=. hied , the
changes have been noted ,, the next (.stet.) :it, to get it approved by the
Talwn Baarci "C" he Pol. anni ng Board has already approved tl"le ct'lange'•? !"ie
Go TOTMAN : ..I_ he Town Board has it .
C . PIERSON : The "C (:) Wr'1 Board (:foes not have :it because the Fl anni m..]
' i ? 5 ( Ctcti (;) 1 l ' the ( t'1an ( ta � to � CWnBoard was 9 ( :) ir1f:1 to n1ke a pr
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Esr: � tt (. . 11-) (-.:? member <..-- hl <_ ve r.: c) I:aa. ei� oi: t:. l; e dr a-4: t'. but. tt't (:? v are wai t: �. no 4: (:) r
-t_ hC-. Planning Board -to pr- ese• r'1t it to them Lis fa Etoar- d .
G . TOTMAN < The ot: i e (:- t. ea •f ai vi reel them t:. he dr- aft al-iead of time w {.try
for th- e "I" (-) wi..) z~sC.:) i_•trd t: (::) it e) ',✓ e, r. arid see if the -v had any elt..trrst :i ow-=:
arid to be familiar" with what the Planning Board tvas tallm: ing aLrt..tt tPihlen
t. hay 1:3r F? sen 't:. ed thl ! ? f= !'fell l (7eC5 at t:a rfte—I :to ng n
H . CASOLARA : I-I (Fe I j:) me C+ trtt With this . Who act. Uial 1 Y rtlalo: eS* Up the legal
a (-ldend Lot m ' How does t. 1-ta -t ta ( .: tuaI ly c) r.- Ct_t Ir.
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Co PIERSON: I do .
H . CASOLARAa 'TI., at. C." C.) C.tl d lac ? are i nc: )• e d i hl. v :l ar' C:le 4Crts1 t. {-) a (.: tt_ta l I v
deCtootment all -thee C: I-oi =.7m les: t:. hiat.: were made . I am 't'. r• vi. na to find out i f
there i. s. some way we Can have a wholesale e ChanCae made and wi. 't:. hlout
doc: ument: i ria (? i=tc. i :"aril:{ ever' v tool .iar' iaF. -
C . PIERSON : C_inc: e the Town Board approves the changes" i. n -the
doc: t.mnent „ trle have. to go thtr' cat-tC_II....I the l c) (-: i~.tl l avi f rar' (ninit a wh i c: ht is a mist i car"
toot in (::l e r t:. a I,; i. ;-19 a
H . CASOLARA : Yes. . i t will Lie .
T . ROBINSON : That: is why vc-? t..t have to <.atudv i. t and know it ht_t 't:. YOU
al s::> r..) have•? t. ci presC:? nt it to : he T (nwri Itcm.trd .
G . TOTMAN : What wOu :l d lbe wrong ., Unless the le(aal tar of essi on tells
tt 5 that i 't:. :L !c: virCoo) rig a wi t-. 1"t sav1 to (-1 vie aY" E: 't htI" C.JlrJ1 I'lC] {� t_t 'f � h1C' {::) .!. ( i CiY" d1 r) ctI'1 (= t5?
and this is the neW c)rd i t nanCe instead of qoi. ng thtrouqhr it one by one
t) y ane?
B . CASOLARA : :l ; t-t <.-st. d (:) n ' '(:. I•:: riolvj what the l e (ial i mp :l i c: ati ons Uac) t..t1. d be ,
G . TOTMAN : :I: t. t•ti nl•o: t1-1at aac) C.t1. d b4o.-? this-? easiest wary to do J. t
H > CASOLARAo I dory t Io:- n o vi :C tt-: :i. nl-' vc) t..t would wtar'tt tea do it. in the
(nos* t expedi (:) t-t (. manner. q whic-: hever- tt'1 <at w (:a Lot ld l:) t::? .
G . TOTMAN : I t1-1irlI , we shlOUld check: with the Town () ttornev and ::asEt
him -to eVpl care ' that and maybe 1-ie (-. cn-t :l d r- e c. ommeroid to the Town the bes -to
wav to del i. t .
P . CASOLARAe As you well 4:: ric) wo there are mane
a (Tlitn `d ct1c:: nC1es "v
on every page f th7. s CitJC : 1
..tm (? )"1t: 9 se) (YlitvbC..? 61f. ' (:" ( ) t_l :I. d 1") ietve iC) (Yle 't1"1iriC:{ t. 11E:i 't.
wrat-tl ct swtlaercede the old dOC- t..tmerlt .
G . TOTMAN : f:of .'L een ., put it cart the agenda •f (-) r' t. him IyjGtr C- h) .I. •-t
that somebocly from the Pl tr'tn :i ng Board will at 'h. I"te •1•' C:) vdn 1'k) ard to
fir- eSe nt that document . At. the 1'11tarc: h meeti. ng we wi. l. l icient. ifv
v4het:. hel•- tt-te whole e Board warits• to (-.1o . Ot) vi c:lt_t =. ; 1 v ., t.: hie vie--) (- l e ltc) ar- d
=__• t-tould goo. but tole will ma. l:: e ( :. s-ure there is somebodv there ,
T . ROBINSON : I••irave vent incorporated the Mobil i. l Home Or- di. ni:an (o. e and trier?
17U I'll l•-4, yard C:Vdi nrtanC e :into t:. hti s
G . TOTMAN : No .
B . CASOLARA a I Lion ' t. k: now how vot_t wot_tl d do tha. 't':. „ "I" !' i :! s i .. Sort of a
sema:arate ordinance .
G . TOTMANe I 't hi. nl< they ot..ight: t-. c? be separ' at:. e .
B . CASOLARA : With a sej..; a. rate i. ncle >: 4 a <.� y ; <a ;r' at� e t. abl c-.? ofcon 't:. ent_ iz..
a rt d s.em p a r %.l t:. (•? a r t:. i c l e c „ 1. ri o 'l:. i"a Ei•? 1'" wa cJ r' c1 v c.i t_t - tart 4V 7. 't:. h; t h 1 � S i:a I'; cl :! t:.
says Article I - Title . Well -the other- cioc: t..tmeri 't has as separate Article
I t:. h; a=at. is ;t. cltally dif -feren '�y' „
G . WOOD : :i: t would be a case of fr_? :I. din (a in a new sec: tior; into
this doct.lment that. s :says „ unit "
B , C:ASOLARR : Revi. si nn the whole ordinance e so t-. h; at:. Article 12 .. G-,sav „
ka.10t_l :l. d be -t:. 4-ie Clot:) il. Home C' rdinance:? .
G „ WOOD4 It wot_lld be more of a case of intermi. nalina the?
r egt_ti. r emH. nts .
G . TOTCIAN : Whaat is t:. he �.tc_lva-anta=acje"' What.: is the ctc:? a :L c:? •f nc? t havi n (
t. hat and i t..t st h; %:avi. nci one I:ai. n t:loc: trtment ':•
G . WOOD : ,.7t..tst eXaCtIV that , halving one bird document instead of
three .
G . TOTCIAN : If so (nek) ody comes in and warits_s to i : riow what tl-ie rules
are for mc'wL:? il hc.:? riic_''. s. vc? U c:i1ve it to t. hf::•? mn c1 't:. herwi se9 yc? t..i toi -vie them this
whole big thing and they have to sort out what: rel <.ttes to mob i. l hones .
B . CASOLARA : :l think there may advantages to -t: he modular ar. form
that you h; a % te .
G . WOOD : You may be ri aht . I have been a pro1:? orient of 1-? t..tt 't:. :i. rg
:i. t all into one doc.- ument !::? ut I may be wronci „
B . CASOLARA : I thinI at one point we did discuss that and I think we
stc? pped at tI"iet 1aoi nt:. in which we were 3oi. ng -to dc? that. and Tsai. ci l e 't:. ' a1s
get to this point and go fcarward " we could always do that some time
i. n t:. i•'ie fUrt:. t_tre .
G . WOOD : TIl ier-p. is no q test i. or'i that we decided :it was too mt_tch -to
at this 't_ i. mc-.�� „ ?: think yot_t I"iave agood ha (:..1irit „ The 1.) ro4:a3. ern is
we Have some conflicting rt:: ut..ti. r- ements „ part. i. c, uIarly ir; tl-iE: „gt .ar'il:: ': a. rd
r . equi r (-? (nerit:. a.:a „
B . CASOLARA : I , t. l .ii nl•.: -those could be h; eandl ed . and I 't: l .ii. nk: -thev wou :l. d
be the subject of another- s�s ( � saai c� ri c? r' two ah? ot.tt'. h'iowa was waan 't:. 't o handle
the t. Iir (ae sectictri,in. on .:jt..tnI.e% ar tip ,. mobil homes grid Swimming1 � t{ols and
make s. ,Ur' e tl"iey are consistent i st.: ;:nt with what we did i, n -the orc.:li ri %:ance
docl.trnent . AS You remember , one of the issues ues:.'s wla:atai 't o say , l. et ' k; stol::?
and tal:: e a-a look at what was have done 1-? ec- %:al_ts=> (-� :t 't. waen 't: so far and so
long . th; er- e was a : point at w hi. ch we werenot: coani zan 't: of tahat we had
done and we had a need -t o have a clean doc. l..t(Tient. f rc) (n which to rii 't c. irt.
another- set of revisions .
z
G . TOTMANa I have talked to :you in the paint. r.about the seminar- s
that are. h'a <-apper"si ng i n (> -yri-.. doors e rat thr Fair ('irot"tnc:l F•Io1. i day Inn on the:l1i -th and1. 1. th caf 1'01arch fir-- esented by the New York- l._ and InSt. i. tUte .. the
semi rl..tn from 9 .' c:) 0 •t000 I'Nac:) on <'and 'then") 2'' nr) c ) -to 5 , j ) c:? e TI-te 1' c) ain hoard
agreed t'_ hat i •f <.::. ome members of our Boar- d ' wanted to at. tmnd 'then Wol.-ll. d
s toot GI") e ! r- t. them Etr"� ci I::) ta ` / fco:) r" '1'; he of t:? fc::) r.. tI..ae• seminar- 5 � - coo < : e
.� t.:. rta �. n za r' 7 .�� I-, .i c�: I"a ]. ...s 1: ,� coo) a
sty rr) i s'-, Exr- o
T• h-seirc::) is ar) e < emi. nar- t. here tha 't:. I th :i. )'iI:: we !-: I...souId a :lI
atte nd .. the one after" noon on I..- ocal. Goverrarrsent Re) c;3l. 1ation of
a n ci cM )--) d (::, )r' aa '�� e .l C'1 :i. r) a. n c} . They .. that r_: ea n c F:;-. r r+ l..l ..> e
Does ar1 `v' one want. to mal-:: E: a commi ttme )-it now 5o I can
make r- eseil- ✓ al-. i orls '?
We 1. 1 bring it toot1-) ac, jai r) ..At the next Meeting . Be
t 1-) i n i i. ra ca of -t h e o)") E? v c:� l.-t w c••t n t: to attend .
VERL RANK: IN made 'tl-at'o? I"I (::) TION the F' I ann :i. nr1 Board gad j c:) Urn
a , g -tot• her :�' r') d of March to cons ider 'tlhie? Cortland Flayingt:. loos :i. . meeting 7. -r
mi r) i ncl pr- oporsa :l 4 the Case 'T- r uc: l-; Si. to -oo- ' 1 an Review , and , if all the
paper' wc) rh:: i ,<:, :iraq the VanOrc:lc_� r m :i nor- st-lb(Jivis- ion CECIL TWIGG <.:aec: ond
the mc.5tiona'
VOTE ,, AL_ I.... i n of ravor
MO .1" ION CAR1 I EL
-I" I-ac: ad "j ol..tr- ned met= ti nca tfai l :l reconvene on "1`* ht_trsdav „ March 2. 1989 at
E) u �=) � :) r, .. mu tu"; cl the r) c%6—to r- egt..11s:ar' meet:. inci of -theFl. araninc� Do srd 4xil. l Iacw
-T- 4-al"lr- =_, day .. March 16, 1989 At 8 . 06
st.A-jaiit col
41ar curet A . Palmer
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