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BOARD PUBLIC „. . PRESE14T
* C+ e(.) r - (:ae 'Tc )t:. man .. ChE-1 i rsr; an (? <- r— v Wood . L ort i m.1 h of or- r_ ernF:n t.
C_ ec i 1. T- trai (7c3 04f: f i. c e r
tJer :l. F : anb=: :i ri Daniel f::� c: h � ts � f er n IE.
snci :ire Soils
*Monica C; ar- ev Inv .
111i 1. Z C arioZ i-.—wa
•X• Diavid C: hatterton
' *present )
C4'.4E". OF': C: EI T" 014- IlIAN . opened d the F' L:.inni na Nc arld (nc_-.1ert. i rir._.t
ad ,iCJUr- ned from Januar- v 1. 9n :1. 909 . + or the r. ur- r) osse of doing the
ttiiF::: C1 ! ciri t. Ite f.3rc:? r.:7c:is (-� c::l 1�1 :1: h11: ha (:=1 F' F� F�: h� :I: T' frr_ysn 0 [1F: "I" 1_ ('1h1D F:' r1tJ1: hlt:i .,
Di. Scr.cS i. on 4_a r the Boar- d on set ti n (a_ a Oc..tbZ i.
heart i. nc.;I f or- the Cir. c:iC) oCsec_I r1i n i. na F=' ermi t:. r- eclt..terst c:3f C: or-4t1 �.rid
Pa v I n
C F . 0 IL "1" W :I: Cis (_ made tI� e M01- '410h•1 the F :I. Bann i ri (;a Doar- cJ
h7ol d i.A 0Ltl-j1. i. c: h3ear• i na on the or000=ed 14-1i. ni. nn Per- mi t r- eat..tes� t of
COR "11.... A 1\1 1) F='f1tJ I NCi :i oc zxt. ed on (::; Z rtr 6c St . Ext . . Town of Groton . '1- �-.ix
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Mar) No . :i6 -- 1 - 20 on T- h (..tr- rda: f-' rEtbr- t_ ary 16 . 19B9 at Bun 1. 5 p in . g
11r=� 'J 1: 1? 1111 "I" ? I: . F�: 1 ( Irt.I > c � c ( :incicaC! t tie mot i on H
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MOTION CARRIED
DAVID C; HATTERTON made the MOTION .. due to the fact:.
the Nai-ica :l. c_� 1 ( ci <arc:l via ! notr:� rc= <.::ser ; l:. for t Iir� f� L. (r1R r• e;:? va. ew . tl•e 1 �' :I. :_•tt irtcl
Noav- d ad _j (:3c.trn to Tht_trsday.ft F=' ebr- LAar- v 9 .. 1. 999 Z.at f3 ° CK) p . m . -to do
t. tic� (a (�:: OR r . viewH MC:Ih.1ICA C; AE•ry: IEY .- (_5cc::arider_I themot:. :ion : AI.... t_ in Ifav (nr .
MOTION CARRIED ..
Ressraect. ft..tJ. 1. v <.:5 c.tl:::" m :i. tI . ( d ..
441 �jr cacti y Ae FI al rrier-
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TOWN OF GFt,' (JFTON
P i__ A II-II :( Ind F_'Y BOARD
'ThurIa. da `✓ . Febri..tt-tr `d 9 „ 1. 1: H904 SoM (:) _ ) P o lyl .
BOARD PURL_ I C� PRESENT
hir:ai rman C.O(::+ t=? (::) 4'.. t7 f.•:? !- C.'.• 't:. iTl ic't !") . �:, � + a I'" `d Wood . . C:a !"1 7. n to En 4' C] 1'" C: E-.' (T't f-,:•) 4"Y It
* Cecil c:."! wi. (ao Of -FJ. c:: er
tJ e r" :l. , F, �:t r1 F:: :i IIII:) a !"t i r. :!. , ic: 4"t = f t: r „
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* Monica f,: ,a. rev Iriy .
j . Bi I I ("aso :4. arr:a
* David ChattFert. on
( * prelsent ?
t::E0F; ( il~:: 10001" MAN . f.T—, ai rm =_tn (a )aene (J the Pl anrii nq, D(".) ard
meeti. na ad "ioutrned from Febrt..tar" y ;? 1. 9 €39 .
G '1" O '1MAN We airs:;) Isere 't:. (ani. o1-I. for one re&tsori . to r_lo the SE' 06R
laror._ es• s::. f o I the is- eCutest of Cortland ! a `,ji. naIt rep it- eser t- ed b -v Dan
Schaefer of Empire S (..) a J. f or a, . �ti ri :i. {sn f � �? r (n :it . Fit. the ,:1r� lsct =ar `d :l. �'
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meet inc and reaffirmed at the F' ebr- t..tary 2 r: diot_t it- r"red rne ' eti. tsc? ., z:t j
Lst..tb l i c:: hear i nci has=i been -. et. f or" tl'ie. tI"1i r (::4 "! ' f it .► r sc:l �t `d in 1w ebrt_t =Irv ._
F' ebrupry 161 19e9 at 8 15 p . fct „
"!" ht1 '.-i A _. : a I"1h.:? W � rC) i» f ? tS . �' f7r i 'tJ. l C:) 'f' . t_t !=i cif"td E Isat `✓ E?
asked Gary to come 't'oni (? ht t. t..) . go tlsr" ot_I tlsc pror•_ er, s with t..ts „
6 WC.) C( D Wh"I at:. I traot..t :l. d I i. F:: E ? t L-) d o i Is s :. t Rr t ca t_t t. tI t•. h r-.1 1. :i It It 16 e
edi.Icr—..iItj. ori on the SE, C•R iar' oct? ,Ss „ YOU all have a c (I of the 4: 1ow
chart -for the SECIR :1 tI refer to . IThJ. s. C7oeiii bacIII ve it - aI ve70.1r" s
e'� C3o whC-::' r') t'. hr State said before aI"1 `e` a. C! G: rIcv maker. =7.� de•3c. i ?:ilort it'.
} That i. s ca :i. :4. E td th'i :=) rate
must' (- f..n �: i. d cs? r 'r. h �_ (••= r1 `d �. r f.: n ater-, t`. =.t 1. impact .==:t r: t: . �
En r on men taI (:? t..tal. i t `✓ Re `✓ i eaa iiC 't: and that is where the SE'" QR comes
'From . This is not:. a p ass / fa :l. :l . You do riot. approve (::) r- dici =a. pprove
s omething . You (::lecide wl-ie' t. her" Or riot '!:_' he p !°' opos=:• ed action wot..tld
have an `✓ s .i. (7ni f i (» atnt environmental impact. and `dtat..t laLlrsufe tl"iat to
..s �• r " V r •a ti '" t o
whatever end I ,.? t..t !"1 ca . et t C:f ., 11 (a ! Ci C:. ! t= C� sat ]. �� f' '`d `d (:?C.t t'" f:•�• e 1 `:/ e s a s �
what. the impact vj (:i t :t d be . "I" he = iE = lirr..) `d � tl ! (� i satlarar' c? `dtt :l. comes with
It i.7 e Si 't-. e ' ' E I a n R e v i. e w . I 16.1 a .✓ a been told t h c? l e is not much 't" )'i a t.
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C: an !ae arrit_tcd that:. �dnt .t r..li. d :i. t 4� rcar7 ( 14 i. f y (at..t dr..a i. t-. . 'The point i. �:i If
' ref err i nc{ to the f :I. ow -- c: har -t:. #
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Starting With the chart al ono the 1. eft: hand border
` i r . the act i on sttr) .:i E:.-? r..: t to SE: (? F; ' :and t l"tE . wci r that :i <::i CJet: = r ' rn :i. n (ad J. 4.5
to C-10 into the next series of bo :tes::• . At the ton YOU will see a
Type--? 1. action . Tyne I actions are t:. t'te ones::i that t. h"Ir•.:� St. at:. e has
d e f J. rled w -Mil. d :I. i 4: e :l. y have si Clrii f i C' a III t. envi ronmerita I i mpac 't: i L., s- t:
by the natures of what then are. Type 2 are the ones the State
hash• ruled ed are not: going i- o have an environmental ntat impact . i e . when
the T <awrt c:lt»aes ot..lt:. and pat: chr-_) <.wi the r (aatCJs , t^ah, r.:sr1 t. h ( ? i C) wrt pi»is_3seas a
bt_tdC3eet „ those k: i. rids of th :i 1"101... do not have an environmental
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E( . C ASOLi`IF: Ao Wouldn ' t it be apr) r" opriate to have tote publ i. (:_ _ �
ry ' r J. n, (:.1 to f It ( ? t"' It h't e .._. (_} - d <a y I : We i::i r err ' 't:: within 't'. 4"1 a <s> •:t =•") -I period .
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Dec1. r::t it- attiC)n You are at: the fit it step 't oni ( } tit „ if YOU tact t c:)
the Positive I? ec_ l ar" .tt i on step then we have -to (3o through the E I: S .
Cin ltOODu If you no with the Positive Declaration . then this
thi. rtc,_; i. s per' h <,a }� s s :l. x months Clown the road depending ng on what': yot..t
asle the applicant to address in the E_ IS .
We are back- at the left !sand side of tI"'Ie chart at
thc:' srioment wl"ter" e we have to decide what type of action it i s .
h: e fearri. nci t-. (a Part CS1. 7 page '30 r eferr :inrl to 'the def :i. ni 't:. ion of 'Type
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:l isc t. i. or 1 () 1. 1. .-agf" n ( :: 7. es a C? iS l_lb ;i ect.: to 't'. hf::? T vIJe .I. 1. i 45t itnd
•anent: ies mav -.xdr_. p -t their nV41-1 :List:. .
Yot..1 halve taefore you an application for" a mininC1
perstli. t in an Aaric: u :ltt..tral Di. tr_ i. c: t which affeliott 25 acres , so by
definition . • .. h z. < : h <a !_> !:a ec: osrie ::l I' v ra e 1 ric 'L'•. i c•Yyr'1 . .l l:) c:5 :1 a. f:•:a -,✓ E:, t h ca DEC,
�^ahen thlev -fi. r• st took- a:t look .: at this . declared it a ..I.. ype 1. action .
'x :. hi c:s was con -f i rmec! 1::) y G . I ot: main reaidi nc,l t: he
letter received from the DE` C i:-� icined by Pat
Snvder'. , As.5soc:: i ia 'tee Environmental Anal y !Ft *
One of the things you have to do ton :i c31-1t i S' to
a -f 'f i rm nr di. s.- aa 'f f :i. r- m the I) E C ' Gs determination �.;tnd clec :i. de voa_trse1 f
what type o 'f ac:: ti. on it ice „ It. either has to lae a "I ' y Ian 1 or
Un :lic: ted iac.: ti. or'1 . :I: f i. t. ii:� a Type 1 alctic:arl , there is ft..tll. 1:` AF :i. i
reclt..ti. red a 'i-rd a fc.tl 1. EAF has been prepared by Empire Soils and vices
ha:ive it i. {3 front.: of tits: . Thc:- next step tc-.) n i (- ht w (:) , ..t1. rl be? tc.) rao
thtrot..tc1h the E: AF and Aclree or di sap ree wi th the c.: canc: l t..tssi. on
pres(.-? n 'ted .
YOU each chot_t :ld I"1a:tve the:.? pac: t:: Fet prepared t:) y t: rllpir' e
Soi1. ... . Incl. ,Uded in that vou �; hot..tl. d hr_a 've at blank: Part. 1. Pro -ject':.
IT'tfcIrsr. altion seihleet. and A1. so one f :i. :I. :I. ed c:u_tt. by Empire ai paC.61 e
I titled Furl. ]. Environmental. As c= -.—* sment Fc:, rm wai. t1. 1 a bov at i- hic•'r
bott:. nm for+ or the o -f j" Part. 2 -- F' r (:) i cic:: t:.
Impacts And their Mac� ni t. UdE! to be 1.11 epar e ? ci b ,r the Load Agency .
h e m i. n t_t 't. c:? sD r e 'f I e (-. 't. t.. I-1 e 1-a c:a i n t'. s of t I .i e E: A I
disl".: t_tsased in Iengt: h . Cc , py of -the_ prepared ft..tl. .l Environmental.
l*) c- iC-ssfyiprlt. f ,' nrm is attached to t:. hl (::•? sY1int.1tE:s )
FART I - PROJECT INFORMATION - PAGE
A . Site Description
:1. , f' I .. esent. 1. a}.r, cd t .tsep a0rict_ ItUre
B CAS (H... (-`I A To di s 't:. i s1c7t-ti sh i. t 'f r o m Fs',t..tra :1. non -
farm . it ttaa <_=.. :i. n act. t. Ot1. aori. c.. t_t1. t. t_tr- al. LASEm ?
1:) , ` SC:HAEI-" ER Yes # t. l' 1e i:� oc:addle= farsn <. aibnt_tt 2 :' Ac. a ' c= � s .
talat'. er Surf ace Area
I) . C"�HA166TI F: T (.) N0. There is nothing, m <atrE-.: ed for wate:•? r.
st_tr -fac.: e area , .l thot..tnht there. 14as a
strF-? am throi..toh there ?
f.1 # WOOD ; I QtAeSCS that t OUI d be ai i t..tdoment.
c.: al. 1. . 'T' hev may have i nt erprce? twee ti ..t tt tc:a memAr'1
' Ponds ' and the Board interprets. the !.-rtreafsl as <-a
tNater st_trf af.: ie? area . I hiC--' Board t :: ain bear that :t n
mind for- .1. ester . Remember -the process you are going
't:. hrot_tnh notra is informat. i. on caath� eie-- inct .
; o Predominant nant:. .......... ..... ... _... .._ ..... ._ .,... � . ...
I-+ . C(` SOI.... AF?A If " 2 aic: re !::i a� car- e i n cwarc :I. a1"lc:i hum
did you c- ome to the perc. ent:. iagess ?
1 a ca c.- ._ 4
D . SCF-IAE- f- ERn There ar (• different soil. type
acres classifications and evert thOl_lC'Ih about .r.:. ,::. ciL_ r' (? 'ci <ill" F'
i. n crops e based on the sni. 1 c 1 a9 • si f i cats Ons (:.ictrne
of those e areas are not within soil Orot_tps 1.
•t hr- c•) t_tcah 4 of the N Y S I.... and C :l assi. f i ca:tt. i can S%✓ st. c:? m .
Du C; ASOL_ AWO) ; But never •t: he :l c s �.-i „ i t iii-* sot i 11. Hovtard
T) . iC:FIl1L : F ECfw, a 1 hat ' c-: the predominant =., c7i. 1. type .
There are other types there . "" he ma ,ior" it -v is
Howi51rd grave ]. .loam . -those area ii-5 wher- F.i.' 't'. t•e
:B '. { � EEC1l... r=� RA0 1 h tt :i <. > n ( al crar7 � � :idered t:. (e, kae
go (.-jd a (:) r" i ce.t1 tt Are sOi. l then ?
Ti SC;FlFIF= F= I : F�, e That is OOOCI a0ri. C.: U :lt. t..tre s ( 7i. :1 .
B ` CASOL_ AFTI n T s th i. s a b i. g i srt.te ? Wli. 1. 1. i t i mr:! act 0s•7
f3 . W OCI1'.) ;; It might he were sac? in a situation where
agr- i ct..tl. t (_ Ir. a1. land was i. n a Izi. O demand or where we
had a situation where vie had a shortage O 'f
a ca r i C. t_t 1. 't_ t-t r as 1 1. a n d n
B a C: ASC11._ (''RA o None -t. hea less , he is (:: 1. ai m :i. no th �.;tt
at the end Of the pro j ec- t they are going to
i nc: re_� ase the prC:) Cit_tc •t:. i ve bland by a� acr (-:?sn
Do SCI-{ f-'cEFEF,'O T Used the Tompkins County Soil. SUrveyn
1: 'f J. autred out of the 25 ac: res. how mt_tch was in the
dif -ferent classifications „ -then T called up the
7C) '1 .I. ��c nser ••✓ at :i. on Cand clsk: ed What. tvpcei. c• O 'f soi .l s
are these accord i ng to the NYf3 !.._ a. nd Cl ass i f i cat.: i. On
Svi-5- t (•? m and -then 1: pro --- rated -the a r" eaar__ten
(a . ^ '10* CITMA [%1n Somc people worry about whether we
are tak: ir7rt aQrict..t :ltUral. :land Ot_tt. of a procl ;»tct. ion ,
bUt when a -farmer ovins the lend and he can make
rnc:7re:? (none,%.t do i nc r something else with :i t:. , wi-lo
tare. wee- to deprive a farmer'- to do wt; a •t: I-le wants
wit:. t•7 1 ; is land .
G W,( C.) 01:) ° 'This is not an i r• reveriB i. h :l e chanoe
as a s1-7oppis•7O mall Or I-70L.tsir7y development .
(_! n T 011A1\1 . 1. �., t•7 {«5 f a rni n (.a i t. nnw ' :'
Du S(4.>iAE1 - 1 1"eu k-fe•. is renti rm it carat a = -farm land at
p r e.:, e r-t •t•. n
C? . DePt'. 1E ..... c ? 4:. ..._ Wl �nr l.. es.. ..... 1- <_thl. e 1. 5 to ' r> •f eet.:
1-3n CAS0L_ i-lRA 1: E-05-St ME-I the water table d ::-•? pt. h is from
Well drillings ?
1)a SC:HAE_ FE:: I=: ° We d :id or7 - s :i. tr:? test holes c7r7 the <_ • :i t en
H n C A S 0 L A RAa How many feet are ✓ oe.t gOi (-) p to str i r
down '?
1) n SC.HAE-. 1:*" ER Pit NlOn 1 :L <_; apprO timatel y 15 fee.•.at .
S n ,FCASCII_.. ('tRA SO %YCRA rna 'v I-7 i t water ,
1:) n SCF"IF11: FER, v Ass we :� a `✓ :in the report , :if we enCOc.tr7te;� r
vita. t (= If. the operation will cease .
Fe: C.f-) % :i0L6. AI An# IS 'there any c1-seance that the mining of
this pit would d di srUpt the around water and -the.:?
water -table -f (-.) r• •t_ he .id j acerlt- 1 a_tndownerse:'
i:1 , (: FlF� "I" "1" l R "!` (:: N He <. > tit `✓ tfiat i. f t. t'iev hit dater t. hev wi. l :I,
cease o !_, erati. on „
:Ba C: Fl1::30L.4ARof l ; t.trw' t. l:: rir.:iw of i ns:t. ance s 1wherE p(X.? (-) ple...
have dug ponds and it has affected the nei ahhors
wA t (•=:•r w !" !CI' E voi-1 have s-, omel.: C) d `✓ rfri. ni no the .l z=1nd
dinC•.ai1-1Cl ol+. t:'. dirt and t: t'iev get cloven to where the
water" table i. ss and -the irda-t:. car ' L'. � r t <. : l eratk :i na L.st:i
tl-1ro Lot (:ah t: !1e e3 le' oi..l I'll d a1-1d vol.tr 1ttol ei. :l. ca (aea ! d r v ra (::a >( 'l'_
S Lot m (rier e !. ' m not. s t .t 1t .41: aryl ii_tt : t. aiii> k :i {"iC{ t. 11iiY '!::
Cl U e S t: ]. o 1"1
Cl "i" W l C•3Ci c-1 pond wcis_tl dn ' t. (- r `✓ ,a ww :l :l t.tP tPJ (:) t tl rl J. t. ' '
!+lCIOD „ !ghat: WoU1. d happen ., (ecil � the di. `✓ er' ti. nn of
the ground water you create a J. t (:acie
here where it L.t =_-. E? d to be up It is not s>o
1. i l:6e l v '!:: o ha open a. r'i < i pI ac. e w1"ier' P you hGi `✓ E� porous
19 .6 Ct=) sol.... Af*-o;Fi ° 1: w (al.( :I. cl •il,t <_-> t:. like to h �.= USt thes; ca types
of qUe Eticins: becaU (:�e I think: next week tide are
going to have these types caj: qt_te:.' C '(:'. i. or'1s and we
should be prepared for them
Do (." H F1 'T. T E R T (_) h! n. ), i lm o YOU U C:l i. (::11-1 ' t (3 C:i d Ca w loot in y o t..t r" -testing
a - f alr' as You are cic:, i rack to be di go i. rig down , voL.t re
(:aoirace 20 feet. !below the surface ?
Do SCHAFF= E Correct. ,
Arid yot_tr to st 'i ncl di d not. ( ! (-) down thr.-vt:.
'f aa. r- `-'
D iCI"•lAE= F EF% II"1 the area that we are minim" the test
tits:. went as far as 17 feet
Ii � CFolAT 'or' C::RT (:lNy TF'ios- e Proved neC1r ( t: :ive Uditli respect to
f:iCI•'olAE ~" l= R !Alit: h r- es : pect to qtrot_( r'id waxt. er . vecio tPde
know there is no alroUnd water" to the d (_al-ltt: of 17
feet in the 1-.) i to area
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1+ C ASo0L_ ARf) 11v concern Ex ttoi sw poi nt:. i (:z that t !-1c' r- e::,
m ;? `✓ b e to::,o m e .l :1. a ti i :I. i t `✓ a � i. : 1 '! '!:. !"i .!. of Nd C
G1C7 ]. ri '(.: C.3 aa. r" ca .l Cir `✓ =1_( mmEur :? 1% Ci `✓ Cat.t pC-? ol:2lC, stcY" t"
(rii. ri :'s. rat3 thii5 and the Lnd (:awr : (- r' ' s . Wells start c3oi tics
Dol droy, ar (:� t:. hev caoi. n (� to � '!-. ; ir' t poil1ti11p fi. nClE:� rs=. R
> f.:: ! 1F1C: F=' l:=: Im; C ( <-1 <.�. i c: a, 1. 1 y , 1-1oad We Came Up with our plan
of mining 1. 5 't: o 2ti feet:: , we did nc-1't: el-iC. OUra 't: e3r any
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ground U4 <iii t. e r' down t_ f.:a 15 •f e.? e= 't v i::i fi d i. C1 `,/ Ca L.t r C; a si e o 'f'
a dr- y s Ummeet•" the waatc r- table trail:, be lower" and vie
should {"iot. e:? r-ocot_irlter <a rev water arid that <.:, tr' et_tm
will be dried t..t p 4 :C 't. i. s, my opinion 'h h a t 't.: h e
(3rot_, n (J water 1 eve :l i n the Pit is related to the::
l e `✓ el c! f water in that:. stream .
> A C: F'aT "I F R ! (:ilk! t�lh <:tt. are you t; cii n (;a ci c:.lca w :i t. 11 -(-. his
Creel:: ' Are yoL.i going to be cros, =_. i. nCa i 't ^ is-r vCi took r
mine near it '
Do ' i( ; FiF� I:IF l:: "!" hey on l v way we are going -to he
ais •fec- stings the: sstr' eaC(i i. y Putt irig ili �. :laruer-
C: Ul `✓ ert:. 4
C:3 „ l ClTI"1 (1I .ln What.. k') t ve you done G•ai. t: h the DE !-'
conc:: e? 1~ I"ti ti a -thi a
Do SCHAE' 1= E- F n At t; l'ie beginning cat the prc i (. t: T. wc- n 't
out to the site with Pat. Snvder o + the DE. 0 and
I__ aarry Lamar o + t. he-? -f i s:5hi 1- a dc•riartment. and we
Walked i:it1"' C? l..t !") (:1 the si 't. (z? . Larry was (:. oncer-' ned about
the stream . He indicated he would have no problem
wi tti having the cutI `✓ ert put" in as l ang ans it was
pt.ft in dt..tr i nca the time of `✓ eat'" when it i. '-:O� not
eaoino to a + -feet. -the: + i sh . He st ac'tested Late
st..� mmer- so as not to diSt. t..trb 'the spawning + i =- h .
1 ) .. (" HATTI::: )R1 'TC) N " Is that creek bia enot_toh -for + i. sh to
spawn in ?
I } „ 4 ) f.:: 1AEf" E" Iv: 11 No ., hi. s (:: c) ncern vata <:-; :in tak: :i. ncl c.) ut the
existing ct..tivert it would create tt.tr (aid water and
t. hat water wot_tl. (:I + :I aw clownss 't: ream into the Owasco
n1. Pt .
` IS:• r it. e 1. acatf? (::I ovw? r a . . „ a� _ uti + E? r ':'
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C: i1C(::) L. AFti=tu The- t~ c:? have been c (-) ncerncS kicwj th nit
determination was rraade „ How t4aas the determination
(::) f• " no :' made in rel i_at i (:) n to being (:Jv (.-. r tar') agt..ti. 'fer ?
Do SC HAE1= E:R . l' k7e DEC has (a) cps r� + flew York: State
-that indicate the primary oI" a.=•o :l e S- (::) t..tr (= e?
and this area is nolt it-) those I:) I~ ]. mart' areas .
B Ce'•01.... A1=; r-1 e I have rt..trl i nt (a this be + ore in atl"i ( ? r
hearings where I:) eopl e c 1. ai m 'ther- cm were no aql..li. + e;• rs
in the area and there was aF.t lot (:J ¢ d :t, ssic:? n 't i oti and
pecan) I E:? Cl ai (rf the DEC st !. rvevs Mere Geri 'k_ gLti t (µ? as ( It7od
is s c)t h e r" 't v is..) e! (-.) f n e o l og i c a 1. 't. e s t i n (: s and d s t,, t'. v Eon y
and that , in -fact .. sosz)( : acic.li. •fel' -. dial or did not
emi ! 't. in locations w1 ') erG:6.' DEC: claimed the r- evele' se .
G WOOD The correct answer -to that clttF� st question is that
according to 'the available data , ie ., DECO ()) aps:yW
this is not over art agt..tl + et•- . Now „ shot..tl. d YOU sav
(:) r" have rE? c:l '::ii7n to t) e .l i eve that J. S, rlc) t
this i S the 'L: vpe Of thi l") q YOU wot»ll d re4gt..test in the
EIS and te :L :L them to inve t:. :i. (aaatp this •fl_( rt. hor and
prove this i <; true ., As f a arl ' • t. hi s I: ) <art o + the
doclUment is ccancerned i. t i G; an appropr i. ate, answer .
.
D „ EiCHAE:: 1=' ER " l: t is the generally accepted a_::.: ot»trce for
1. oc.' atiot-) o + a (gUi. 'ferS .
( TWIGG" Ia ' t:. tl") ta 't. Ivhc' ort :l. �✓ one vot_t t..tse ' ' I didn ' t
know there was another" sot..trce .
D . SC: HAEf= EH, a Somca} ti. mEs , in certain areas of the St-. ate
the is- e 4.'tl"' e ! • peci al studies clone on aclt..ti + ers .
C{ . T' f ) 'l" 1"1lahin l: + vcn.l were in Cortland it would be a
dif -ferent. stol~' v ., They are over an aaclt_ti + er and
Ba Project Description
!. i . L.. J. I") ear- + eet. o + + r- onta (ae .. . .
p��� . . ... ..... _.0 ..... _... .. ._.. ..._ ..... ..._ ..._ ._.. ..... ..._ .._. ...0. ..... ..... .... .._. _ ._ ..... _..
Bo CASC.) L_ ARAn" Is t.hat the to -tal + rontaae
Do SCH (-) EO. Eku. Yes:=_. , that ' s where the project meetE:. they
rclacl ,
B . C ASC1 (_ r' RAn T. t_> that the or11N✓ part ref the F ) r" a .:ier_ t
that rrreet. s�. they road '?
(� . 1" CI '1` MFiI' ati The rest of it vot..t Can ' t. see from the
read . The normal r.) per ,--Ainns you can ' t see frc) (n
the r (7ad , O -the-� r mining of.:) er' <=ationt:i Usti tlave had are
a :11. ✓ i. si. t� l. e fr" (�, rn tI'1c= r ctad and tEii. w raise (aL.t trar_,(.+. l. ci
have to vic.i . I (:� vei t. Usn f :i. + .1 ci s tc.� ca st:. t (� :i. t_ .
B C. ASOLARAP So that corner wher ea it nt:. er <scicts with
-the road is:-, es-> c.:> entially t. tl (•"t' C) n1 `✓ fr- C:) I"'rtan.. e?
t 1` G1 :1: ( Ci It T h a 't:. i. _. v s t-ter (.} •t:. h e h t..t i. l d i rl c:{ s a r'• e-r . r i. c{ h t
1) . C; HA 'I" 1" L:. l=tTO1\1 No, NVOLA all- e wav north (af t.: (- e tat_( ildinc.ts .
t' . ( tad ]: Cl t::l ° Y c) U 1:) c.:) M-.1 l-i 6t. L ('1 e� whole f �a 1� rn but a � r c a c) n 1 v
developing the .5 acres. ..
C:) . SC`, HAE1=" C: R R i. rsht: the re <s�- t will twti 1. 1 be rented c) L.tt
for farming to the s :. arne person who is= renting :it.
r'tClw as2i far a :I: l:: riatai .
4 , Favi ma:trly acres; Czf ve (aetation . .. . wil. l. he removed ?
..... .._ ..... ._. .6... .... ... � ._.. ._ _.. ._.. ..._ ... _ _ ..._ ._. ._. ._ _... ..... _ _... ..... ._. ..... ..... _._ ._.. _ ..... _.. .__ .... ..... .._ ..... ._ ..... _... _.. _ _.. . _
G WC01) tl 1: tal:: e i. t . Dan , yot_tr reflects the
acre? s�i c) f br (..( sh land that is riow brt..lsl-i land a!s5
opposed to the present: crop land "
D:n SC:HAEFER R i. rlht'. .
B14 C: A ; CJLAF' Aa What d (aes r_ lasc: ifv as grot_tnd
Do SC) HAEI=" ER. Elie Usav use �tnrsUsered :it was thet,+ rac� dl. arld ..
1: f v (at_t want to c (::) I-issi der' removing the existing
r_ I'- c_< (aS car CC:t_tC_ I-i it LAJO ~lld Ile a 1ar' rwer' r) t .tmbc r ..
(3A WOOD " 1: don ' t. thing: that. ftt11 <.a under the C : xtec� c) r v
cjf around cover" . If vol..t Had permanent pa =stt_tre
.I. and ,, permanent C:{ ras.issliandn that would be
veaetation .. 1-4e? VXFAid 't. heI'" e Was oI'1e acre he
C: Cs {-t '.'Si dererd bnr' t_tst'i , c. (-) maybe t:. hat nL. tuber F5hC) ul d be _}
:i. nst. ezir_l (af
141 . will. sLAF- •face area c,f e ,sist. ina water
p, ..... ._.. ..... —... ..... ..... _... ._.. ..... ._.. ..._ ..... .._. .__ ..... ._.. .._. ..... ..... .... ...6. ..... ..._ ..... .._. n... ..... ....0 _. ..... ..._ ..... _. ... ..... ..... ._.. ..._ __•
C : AS0L_ ARA Will this stream be burned in the event_
`✓ 0U dci "3 (? me:•? (:? )•( Cravat. ion arid there:? is:5 '.*cime rt..tn (:] f 'f' i'
D SC', HAEI=" ! 1=? a I'•.Ir.) a the only thing we will be doi. nn tc-3
i 4: 4: ect the c.: treF.tm j. s, replacing -the F ? `: :{. `.ci 't: l. riC!
r Lt1 �✓ er . wi. 'th , � 413 i. tied pi pe .
(:; . lt,ICIC:l1) � You, may , Bi1. 1 , r-tt ,::tr'tC) t !`ser point rts4:: kh) c :5rn to
addreC:> s-:. the caUest. iCarl of what they going to do
aL.t t:) tee. r.. t-. (z: n t; - B t..t t
't: C) �:tr" (-�' `✓ eI'1t. erosion r� r') r.:l r" r" 'a � t =� ';a :L I, tt"1t :i. t:. ,l .
.1 't: h i n l•:: that i. s a r_i i f f er- erl t qL.t ci st. i. 01-1 than i f: the
sAream is goi n (;l •t o be enlarged Or not. ,
14" 1 C; ASOLARA : I di. do t real l v want to knot.v i f t: he
t trei•) i- rn wad:; (_-. c-) i ng to be mt tcle larger' but if t:. here
U! a "3 going -t at be more water going into the tat. ream
bc- -. at_Lr: e of rt..tlfoff from the e `,•; cavi-tt: inn !'riiI"ice'_' one (::) f
t. hes; e mJ7. t: s i mW c .l. c) c: e to the t. r• eam , 1t. J. a4- a
f Gti r .t y high e .i C? `✓ at. :l. (:) .1 and a '.::) it nc: r" ( ? iR aesi5 al (ana
the excavation areag with a lot (:a 'f r' airl yot_t
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c.aate., nti zit. 1 v c:aet:. ai :I. of:. of rt..tnoff of t. hirat into the
stream, with a lot of re Di. d1..te .
Ci . (::; t1 (1E:: Cyl� I ; n It :i c.:le =_> ic � s-, c_ c:4 > r_3 that <a :17. r �lrs ( ff will.
go into the pit . "C' he cz ?ccfia �✓ atiort is in tlt ( shape
of: a bathtub and ar••, y 1� l..tnof f will g (.) into the Cai t:. .
- Wjo 1. 1 pro i ect [,! r- c) dL.t (-. e ,, , 1 i o i F' l_ c_ (._ e d i n a t;, h .Er"'.. .... I o( ak l _
ambient nt noise Level. '?
(,.Iu I�.IL"iODO ',' r_� ut rrtioht. wanttrt C ? t..trst..te that :Lit:. t. le . (� T�
an aside 1: vJa �: doing something along this line and
we went. OUt and me. i„1sur' ed noi '. ye levels, and found
ot_.tt one of the noisiest th-, i nas w1as the local
+ ar" (Ter' s (_lr <siin dr `✓ er' . It is iiit..trproi;5Lng I'1OVJ rrlt_lc: h
noise e i. s generated in the cot"tntr- %✓ .
1-66,( . C`e (1) S01.... (4RA What. erltrti E.rmerrt:. that Would be •t.. here that
would aenel'" at (F? r1oi Se ?
Do SC% HAEf" 1 :: Rno Loader and t. rl..tcF:S . t:. h•iere vAll. be r.ic)
proc. essi ng eclt_ti. krment .
I_ r..sader and t. r (..tc. lts i. <;i lrJhiactt is wc.r4 : inra thefar" rn
land now .
. rH �� _I_ _I.. L^. i ..C' t=)rt � I .i the- re 1. i ! t. e (::I the time of (Jay of the
operat• i on in the form '?
61'. WC )C:) l ? Not. vet .
25 A ' 1=' h; C_1lJF?I__ S REQUIRED
_.. ..... ..... ..._ ..... ._. ..._ _._ ..... .... ..... ....
G . WOOD : State Acienc. i (::.rs: should Lm-2 mar- !•:: ed ` ves " vc) t..t
recll..li re a C.rerrrii t. from the DEC .
B „ CASOU-0-) ROC) p It. r..: rulssed my mind ,. c-rr•t the C" ity , (r' r_at..tnt. y
Health Deps artment ,, yoc.l have hero l e vior• k: i ng ot_tt:
there and there i. <_•�; rio � , _ �: •�an :rtar ✓ h . <a1. th , ac. i. 1i. tie.cIS
Do SC. t-VA 1 . 1�07Fto
, a 1- hc3 tr• t_tr_ k: dr i ver- wi :I. 1 c) c-s oral. t. he1� Co
into t. h e 1. c:) a d e r . load t. h e •t:. r- t_t C I< t..t F? � St r•r d C' t~( l :l c (_( t. .
He vion ' t be there that l onci .
X::t . C*% Acu01C) L_ (�1=�A4 There won ' t:. be any fall time Caeopl. e
there ?
D SCwHAE:: k 1�: i u TheremGa �✓ or m �tv not be . (fit this point
i. n t: i. rri e the answer vi c.) c.! 1. ci 1:3 e n o .
W (04) 01) Anoth�ier El1-it~•> W r to that would be there
a1'" e certain labor regt.! 1. ati ons. t1'"Iat. rec;l..li re i f
somebody is there, pv.-5rmanent .l. `✓ '(' aci l i •t i er> be
grovi. ded . I would i. magi. ne in that case something
like a pcirt. ah :l e t. oi. l (at. woc.( :I. d be i: ) rovi. ded and
s e r v i cc-? d .
C:: . l" WIGG But thlr".at is not o!..tr degart. ment:. .
Go WOOD : That del:zends „ yot_t could make it a
c: oncerr, of yours. . You are doing an Environmental
Os =_. ess• rrsc= nt . If that is a concern vol..t Shol.tl d
addres <;, i. t .
C:l . CtHA '1_ l EF, T0No C::ot_ll d we v%ii i t:. �:� i. rt there !:somc� wlter (a5 that
they are to provide a I , crri. alrl. c: facility For the
Go WOO Do 1" hs � tt: i. :> something �� ot_t co (..l :I. d put in on
the Special. Use Permit "
Et . t=: A ;" 0L. AF r'-1 ". I would caul. y be concerned about. it if
there :is going to bc-.� a lot of people ther- e all ciao✓
1. ong .
ti . "1" CO) l ' !"IAI\In l..lri -front . they are tel l i no t_lc: there wi :l. 1.
on 1. v be two people there .
t . Zoning and Planning Information
1. "._' . Wi I I ..... t=. �::► e .. pr _r_z �zcx -; eldi _.. action t�- esul1� ..._ t:. !:1 ..... t;. htw' ..... c3ener at;. �:. �?!�l ._ of. ._
_ ._. ..... ..... . �.. _._ _... _ t raf. :i i co. ..... � aril. f i c_ ant_ l. v above present� ..._ 1_ e`' v +-' I
.._ ..... .....
Du CHATTEER"I" ONO. How many loads a day do you anticipate "'
You S'riav vot..l don ' 't:. seean `✓ w� :i i.on f i c. an •t:. increase of
traffic .
D . 13CHAE-_ FERn The company owns-•. -Five to si. x t.. ruck: s: and
it i. s an 1 1 / 2 to 2 hours travel time to and -from
the Job . Basecl on those figures it could be 5
true. k: s a day . 5 to 6 trucks an hOUr . i„ hen rUfI :"13'6nct
s. t_t 1 :i t. i 1. t. .
too Tc1' I"! fll\1nu You ' r- e not t. all•:: ino every day . ttien . but.
-the days that they are in operation i. t roL.t .I. d be up
to 5 or :a trt_lc: k: t5 an hot_tr . ,
Da aC !' AE=. FER0 5 to 6 truci:: s every I to 2 hours .,
Do CAS0i- f•1F; An I thinI• that: is an important gL.tErstion as
to whether it is sic3ni. ficantly above present.
Levels because that 'Leads:) to 'the ne >tt question of
is the existing road network adequate to handle
the additional traffic-6.. ? !, That l eadss to the
information t !-iat Georc+ e i. ndi c: t=tted there wOUl d be
<.. ofrie? a. npt..tt. f r tam the 1 otrar'i H :i gt � wr7 �✓ ` iLtper i ntenderit. .
(.s . WCIC:2L? n ghat voL.t have lit= rca is ;a corttrar tt .) r who i. s
devel. opi. na a barrotm here? . V�IeXt. i LAmmtc:? r he may t—al !•: e
a ob that requires 2 `..".t . t.1t )C) yarCiFv' of materi. i31. and
he? mi:a `✓ hire `ly '�••_•� t. ruc1 %- s and move it all out. of -there
in a When i. t comes to issuing suing the permit
t.
you spa '✓ want to put sornethi nti in, there :Limiting
that. .
Ca . TOITMANo Bear in minc1 also t:. l••iat. he :is i. ndic:: at. ino
this is for the us - of: C:.or- tl and F' avinct . He does
ric_i •t:. intend to sell it to ot_tts :i. de conc: er• r'i .
Do ' cAsot._ AlRf=N " I think Ciarv ' s taoi nt is well. taken . if
t' hi s par• •L- i c: t_t :i ar contractor' does •t:. ak e a large
con .trat :: tlr'iC} ] ( ?ii he fYiuty tleeC! more that he is
anticipatin (3 now .
I) . C !•- AVI" TE RTON . Could we limit the 'Loads taker, -from
there daily ':`
Cato t::`, AE:0LilE ran V! l-iat I think becomesi more si. ctn :i f i c <:ant•. is
the enf orceabi 1. i. 't: ✓ o-f s .l - p Five or.. six
t � ..- t t_ h a premise .
years from now it I.nec: omes very difficult -for"
anyone -to r- em (--.�tm!_ier they are cin .l. y suppose -to be
hiaU l i t-ici 'x ' nt_tmber• of loads a day .
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FART II - PROJECT IMPACTS AND THEIR, MAGNITUDE
IfrlrJact on Land .
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1 . Will 't:: hf.-� proposed acti. art rc= st..tI i n a p4-ysi. s: al c h a n a e to
the project. site ? YES
C:: onstructi on will. continue -For- more than 1 year OF"
involve more than one phase or s face .
Potential Large Impact
Excavation for- mininc43 purposes. that would remove more
•t. han I . c_r:.lc.:l tons::. cii: na 't. t..tral mrltc � ri <'_il. per `✓ etctra
Potential Large Impact
Impact can be mitigated by .limiting the times of day
mater iitl can be r- emc'wved or the nl..lmber" of trt..tcl': s a dav
or only ce : t. ain types of ecat..tipment can the Used e 'tr_: .
2m Will there be an effect to any Unique or t_tnt..tSt_iai land
forms found on the site " NO
imoact ort watev" 41
.
..p
Will pF.. opossc •? d action Carly via -ter body designated
as y:arotected " NO
4 . Will proposed action affect: any non --protected existing
i-yr new body of water " NO
#' Other i rilc* acts : = 1:: r" e ,:.xm culvert to be et11 sir aed
5w Wi II p r o p o = e d as: t. ion affect. surface or" o r (:) u n d w a t. e r
cat. al i ty or clt..tant i ty " NO
D . ; CHATTERTi:IN . Will you be putting a gasol i ne stor' ac3e
tank:: in there ?
1) a c.:) HAEFERu. Not at this, time . no .
Ba C:: iaSC:lt_ AF? Aa But thiere is the possibility i. n the
ft.ttur" e for a s=• toracae tank: "
D . t� CFiAf. F' ERgo It. has not been di. SCUSs.=.led at all .
fa ,. Will proposed action alter drai nacre. f l ovj Ctr- patter rns� .
clr" t .0 far_ r water r" t_tnclff " YES
Oti"ler i mpac: tsb ChangtRS tO S-H- LArf ace? drai. nA. C.3
pat. t. erna:.
Small to Moderate Impact
Imoat: t. Aira
*7 . W :i. I l propc::ased actisan 4:.x + fe r_: t air clt..tal. i. 'tv '? NO
Impact on Plants _tnd Ani. frl ::al s „
eu Wi. l. l proposed action affect any 'threatened or
endar'lcsere d species ""? NO
r' ai:a e - 11.
. Wi. :l. l I:.aropos (-:? ci action st_tbst. ;ant i. a :i 1 v affect non _,_
threatened or- non -- endangered species "." NO
Imr.) act ora Aor• i. c::: c. ltt_tral Land Reas, ources
1r,"1q twill the proposed ac:. tion affect. agric: c.tIt. t_u•- a1 1. ; in (1
l•- esot.ArC. es :' YES
* (:: onst. rl..lr_. tion activity would eXcavatr_. or- compact_ the
soil profile of acir i ct..t :i tt..tral 1 and a
Potential Large Impact
* 0ther- impact_=_. a tempor- ari Iv removes 5 acres from
act ricu1. t:. t_ar- al t_as > e Small to Moderate Impact
Impact:. on Aesthetic Resntu•- ces_• n
1. 1. . Will proposed action affect: Res-thet i c resources ",
YES
# Proposed land uses . cir pr" oJ ect components obvi O LA Se 1. V
clifferent. from or in sk-acarp cont. rast to r.:: l-arrent.
st..trrot_andi. ng :Land use pattearns whether- man -. macie or
Iatural . Small to Moderate Impact
Do C� HA "(. .1.. 4=_ l�7401\10 There is a cl� anr.� e in the aesthetic use
of the ]. and . It c: c-? r t. a :italy is r; rat: a rtrcavel p :it:.
now „
:C.? . f=iC; HAEFERo There is ca caravel pit right next door .
The way I l oo6:: at. :i t . voc.l won ' t be able -to see
this cnini. nct operation .
Go TOTI"IANa Roger' s gravel pit is in the open . "this
-.
one J. s back Ofi: the road . You drive by and only
see a dri. veway . You know something is:, back -there
bt..lt don ' t 1.- now What bec.: at_tse vot_t clan ' t see i. t .
Pa '' C_ ASOLAF'tAe I ' d rather.. not look at it in terms of
the i rnpar_: •t of h; rraer ' c=> bec: apse •t. k"aat. is an al. ready
existing permit that has been goi. nca -for ^ vears
with 1 more year to go . I woc_l :t d r at: k-aer- deal. with
this on its- own merits .
Jmp, � � cm. t ..._ c?n ICI :i. iSto +". ir _ and _ Ar_ clo--taeo 1. oni c t-zil.. ._. F g? (-,5 a }_ir. S eso
:I. 2 . Will proposed action impact. any site or c.Art.icture>> of
hisstc� ric , pre •-- histor- :ic or paleontological. importance ?
NO
l: mps-.. ct on Or Sp a (74. Viand Rec_ r.- eat i onw
13n Will proposed action affect: the clt..aalltit. v Or cal..tality of
e .` istin (:l or fl_ltt..tre2 Open spaces Or r' ecrc-.rcatiolii 'tl,
.10
cepI_, orta..tni ti e +: ? NO
Flacle
:1:, m };� c-: t. ..._ on .1" ran �.�: oor .tat, ion
14 Will there be an effect to existinc-.t t. ransportat:. ic:an
s eSt:. em `-? YES
.H. Other- impacts " impact on town road
Potential Large Impact
Cao 1" CJl" 1�4F�1�# � TheCc , trary hli. cahwa �✓ Sc.araerintencient will
0i \✓ e t_ 1:5 i npt_tt. c:an the impact of t. ri. CJ.: ! > On the t. oVd1•1
road . Ti ie i. mpact cot_t :l cl be controlled thrc:, t..tnh the
Mite -- Phan fvevic6� vd pr- rac.- c <.-. _. by , 'for- example . limit. i. n �:
the nt..tmber of trucks E:Yer- day and the seasons they
can operate ,
Impact on Enei V
15w Will i::aroposc_ d action affect- the commt_trlit %. ' e eoc.tr (.-.4e .:> of
fuel or energy supply ? NO
Noise and Odor _ Impac- tw "
*16 Will ther-• cy be czbiection ;able odors:sq no3. ss . or vibratic:an
as ' a rest..tl. t of the proposed action '? YES
Proposed action adi 1 l produce oper.. ati na not se.
e >: c:: eedinca the local ambient noise levels for noise
olu •t•. si de of strt-tctt..tr• es , Small to Moderate Impact
tia W{ L7I7n The backup bells on l ar- ge equipment can
i crtpac_ t. can t1••ie n e i gt-sbc::arhood e
De C_' h-lAl_ l.. ERTON : You can !-sear the back: - up bells crior_ e than
-the motor- of the 1 4ircae eqU i pm (-.: nt. u l_ here is that
proposed development on the corner (-if Cl. arl:: St
1': xta and Old Stacie I��d
Bo C ASOLCRAun What adot..tld the r- erneciv be '?
Do {:: !-Itll" .1OERTt:: N „ You c::: r.: utl d limit the
Bo CASC7Lf-41R A an This problem is prcwval ent: c, rl 'SatUr' day !
anc::! Nactr_� k: ertci '='
D . {::. HA *T 'TFC:: R "1" {:NA You have the daily that:. c: ot..tld ! : ottle) r
a liC� t.: s3e6di. fee
80 CeA1:301.... (.'.)A a I c:7t_tf .SS I acn a: 1:a i. t:. c-stvmi eel a l: acn not in
favor of creating a problem that there is no
r• efnedy ton L :4? can state that:. -the b <cJ:: — Up bell carp
-the loader is a problem bt_tt then- e is no remedy -to
L.J. u
D a C: 1 'la r 'TL'':; F'JO n Bi.tt there :i s a re;� cnedv . Limit the hours:
of the da % , hours . B htrs or
l tct_tr s a day „ it
ma ! : e.� Cc rr tOn WOOD " In addition . at -this point , is there an
;i moirict and :i. f there is an i mpac:-. :t <-; .9. t. one that
can be mi. ti. caated ?
.Du CHATTERTON " YOLC r• e not etc"al nc-t 't:. o be there a1. 1 dav ?
I? e SCHAL1= L R " At this time it is not a round the clock
(:.i pert:at :ione
Impact
. ..... on .._ I:, t::tI::? 1 �._ c HeaItt:i
; . Wi :L 1 propot-Bed ac- t i on iaf f r-. (::. t publ J. r ht::al t. h and C.=ia •f ?
NO
rrigact.. _ or Gr_ ov4t: k:} ..... ancl _ C tl r:: : tc._ t r f=f C_ c7MMUni t. or�. ..._ Nei a. hbo- hQod
18 . Will proposed action affect the character of the
ex :i <. t :i. nq communi 't: v " NO
1. 9 Is there . or is there l i kel v to ben fDUbl. i. c: controversv
related 't. ri potential envir' onmer'atal impacts " YES
FART L - EVALUATION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPACTS
Board agreed with the statement prer.6) atred by the SpearaC: or-
A (ae_rnc: v ( <attac: Iied -to these minutes )
PAGE 1 - DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE
(a . l; 0D � ( re 'vi. eaiirig { aacae 1. o { ? 't:. i (:an < : fln I ± e (:: ) 1" o rsofrae c:lesar (-re vc? c.tr
ca{:a 'ti. can ! are limited because Option £i is- only a {:) propr- i. ate for- An
t_tnI i. �- t. ed ac: t. iorn . Sca �✓ ca �_.t mtt • t:. decide between Option A (-.) is- Ca
G ., TOT- 1°1AN L_ amt--: inca at Option A if the project: will not rei.t+. lt
i n ariv . l. ar- ot= and important impacts therefore it will not hav (•.zr ,a
s• :i gni -f i cant: i mib.aaact c+ n the env :i ronment . t. here. fo is- e a negative
declaration will be prepared . Wit a. t l: aS =:• LML:? that -to mean is t. hr•..a
r' �./ eS: :1. t. f:.'. m5:; . (:: all be %3 (:1C:Ir' C' ". ` a (" d :I. 11 (:at-lr
�. tefn .> we have ctih? C : t:: ( � d off . tta ( .
[3i te •-- PI an Review f or- (n and i f ycaa.t c: av yes to Option A it wot.tl d be
a 1'%Ie (3at. ive Dec: lar - at :ion . :I: f you q(. to (*lpt: ior'a C:: i 't. wi :L1. tie a
f=' (:ae_. i 't: ive Declaration and was t•ai1. 1 cont inUe f 'LA r- ther . My st.Ag( 3E?Sti. 01-1
is -to ao f (:)r• Option A and address ot..tr concerrii.:5. irl oUr Site -- I=' lan
Review .
I:( . ( % ASOL A1::;% An :Lt i. s not. my opi r + :i. (.3 that -the i mp �,.act here is of
st-tch significant magnitude 't: o require further impaC 't. stUdv .
'T (::1TMi) 1'\1 Doe <.:.. evervb (-? dv agree with ttie strat:. ement. Di. l1 iU «s 't
fri a d C:� '''
B (::)ard is of the (:: (.) nsensus w :it: h Di II-, s st. a:( tement. .#
G . TOT1"1A1%%l Si nce the Board :i. s of tt') at consensus of op ni on
that at.tto (na '(_J. c- al 1 V {:aUt !a US into Option A .
£( . C ASO1._ ARA4 If wle toot:: th ( • worse case of a positive cl (:_ ( I
don ' t see where there are tareas: that. COUl d be f t..trt. her addressed .
One of the bi oI. in acts i - teve notrc to efrive r ( ) i 1. . Hasa cars
they f Ur- ther address t'. t- e fact that they are (3ca :i. r'aca to r" em (:a •ve s mil .
I' i 't:. her thr.. ':/ a1'' e caoina to do it or the. v are not ., I don ' t:. see
!•Jhe. r- (:' there is fT) t_t (- 1-a fTarar- re -to 1"1e (:Ior? (o? and we st-toItl d continue with
more of a bur' eat..tr-r'• at: ic: type: of pr' o(:: edure .
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(� o 11" 0401" ivlAN E•( v doi nr what we have done so f ar n vie have ac:tnc:a
Over I:: he neCesC.:: are✓ t. hi nC:1 s vie.. have -t o ad (:IreEis for SE DI a, nd
declared as negative action which does not 1'- ent_ti 1'- c_ t..ts to hlol d a
I.-., ub ]. ic hearing bt_tt vie are hold :i. no a pt..tb1ic hearing and invi •t: in ( 1
the .ad ; acent landowners a week: •from tr.�r3 :i (al t . T3r.� � s � r) �✓ lend ✓ else
have anything they would lil:: (:e '!_. (::a riddr• rt_is at. thi •t:. irnP "'
l ( o C" aS (DL_ AkRA4 T' he pctbli. c hearing i �, under t } ) at .isa. t) ic: er �a of the
Site -- Plan F'evi evj .
C•i o T 0 T 1°1A1A `r {'� s
Bu CASCI1.... ARA :C t"JouId h (..Ipe at tt-le bec-li. nni. nt;:1 o •f t: he= pt_tb1. i (:-
heal'- :i na than:. vot_t wot..tl d male a !statement. -to the nr- o �.tp r• eeacN rdi nn
WWWwhat W(::' have dnne ,� wt� at. Our deter' (ni na 't:. .l. (::) 1 i wa = i n re .I. a •t•. i. (:in to
and t:. he ki. nd o •f tI-1 :i r1n tt1i s Boar- d can consider i. n the Si t. e -- Fil an
F'evi (•i? w Gr" o ( ( cc: , t e:? raVC+ 1. (::I a lot ofL_tnn ( C (=' " sat !" �✓ comments and
c : r' i. ti. clt..tes of things that. are beyond end Ot..tr I•ovier- <
C� "!" i ) '1" IYlArd " :1: will domyI ) cast to (� >i { il a ll i 'k.
1) a CHA "T' E: R '14* 01\1 „ :I me it ust.sta. l. if or the Board t-. o isst_te a INC) veear
permit ?
G „ "1" (�1 '1" t�lr� IV " "I" t7e1� e i. s nc:) Iwr' ec: cec( er'1 t. for that:. E' r) r the DEC vot..t
have to renew it every 3 ve ars
Ga WOOD : Mayl.ie -that is MJI-sere he not the phases from .
Du CHATTI:`E; TONO So yot..t anticipate being all done in 3 yeral'- s ^
Do SCHFIE: != ER " No the report sa:lV < > tt• at the north half o •f F" it•. Nom
1. will be do1'•1e dc.trinca the. fi. rs •t:. :`; vear term , Then the 11e >it three
years 1 f p ( ? r" mi t:. i s 1"' i ? nE.? t•^ae ? Ci MJ :1. 1 1. C (:'ln 't :i Clt_I (:"
D. CANNNI� TTERTON " So i. f the 'Town of Groton is fortunate to Have more
homes::. i n ithAt. ii:kr•• eza yye as at Pl a1" ni no Board (::: an deny 't:: he r- enevial
0 + that permit. after W31 years,
Ge (AJC:ICIl) " 11 (:) st of the sI:? eci. a ]. I.:, er_ mitt::i t: hat are granted are
arant. ed t_tr') ti. 1 r- evol- eede TI-1e'r only two mining permits that l am
•f aami l i. aitr wit !-1 are. gran -ted to rt.tn c (::) nct_irrr- lr wit !'7 the DE:: C p ( ? r- (r( i t. � s
Du CASC3l_. AFAng C) avid brings up a c� ocad E1oi. nt: 'that we can incl. t..tde)
in thle per-alit. a review (:) f canv time raeri (::ad we want. +Wo4 1 r_'Ion:' it.
Wit I-1ink: we have to close the door- to a 10 -• year permit ., We Can I:1ut
ad clause in that we' i•.' an review it. at intervals ,
G 1- C1T11 (AVila Wei can i 1-1C1 t..tde •t_ 11 a •t i n t:. t•1e Si. •t:. es ••- E' ). an Iisvi te? w
We c as _.,.
In r' r..) (-: (= t_: ! i o 1"'i t i I::) t..t 1 a e w e t^J :i. 1 .t r (:?. `✓ i e w i t e `✓ e r V `✓ e3 a I"• sil ;':l n d
if there are prob lemi !:4, . then add ;rcess the problems .
When trJe I� n1 d t. h1e1 PLAID iI. :i C ! ') (: gar :i nia . h.. trea pen }a :I. e know
t.. p front that: vie Have not made i.t decisicin on this vet . We are
presenting 4.-Wo ithe public wl-tat. i s bei. n0 prop ( ?<. :• ( md o We have .15 daays
Hate 1
of ter , the pt,tb I i. c hear :i nr.:l to ma6 : e-) to dec: :i si On . I n ot_tI dec: J. si on
Borne of t. t•ie cr- i. t-. eria we use we rrlicaht pick: t-tp froin t: he pub1. i. c.-
c (-Nnrruant. and seat st. i pt_tl a t i o n s car; tI..ie propos in, 1. . We c. ot..O. d I i fni. •t:.
what roads they run on and wahat time of day they can operate .
etc: . "I" ham Board wz l .l write these up �trlcl the applicant will Ii :� �✓ e
to a(:Ir- ee to theal before tFie Board wi !. l give its final approval .
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I:( „ CASC) LAF.' A " 'Thee Dcaard :i s i. n con <.:: enst_t s about -the Kleci at. i. ve3
Dec I arati on can t. h,i s statement: bUt. we have riot made a •f orrnal.
moti. On to thaat. affect: . S :ince thiz.it has riot ear-:en dc:) ne. is there
any merit to waiting until after the hearirlci neVt wee ):: if someone
comes 4 arwiar' d wi thi some i of orsfnat i (:an that t h i < , B(.) ard may riot be
aware of at this time ? What :l am concerned c-t !:: oL.tt- is that ne >. t
wee1.:: we ac:) to the public hear i nr.1 and t. h :i s process i s to fait
ar_ ompI i . We ; tel I thorn 4- 1-1 :7E. C? R nevi (.xw is done , We rnalde our
dec. :i s i on :I. ast weel•:: bef ore anv input. •f rorn the 1:: Pop :1. e2 . So i f
som eon r= does bring up a point that-. We may have overlooked vie are
out. of l t_tc: l:: „
[; „ ? C) '1" MAN ITWe can still address it in ot_tr• Si t: (,.r - F'' l an Review .
Befog e I c'ii �✓ e vot..t a !_) ermanent anstejer.. on that I Would like to see
What the prec: e dent has been i ri r_) •t_ her- towris, and vi 1 .I. acle <.� when.,
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thr� y [-lave done a SI:; (:R and not declared i. t before a owubI i. c:
hiear.. :i. nq I per• sr..) na :l l v would dc) t_tl:.) t. r:lnvbodv I-ias hel d ra pt_tb I i c::
hearing on a c.3E. [:R without mak i rig a declaration . I t:. hli nk: vot..t have}
to make t:. hat:. de•clartat-. iori . In t: t.) er wor (:Js . why Waste Our time! .
Et . CASOLAF� Av I disagree . I think the consensUS ., ttae are acreed .
we ('lay✓ e reviewed ewe? d to the be? !mot:. Of C: LAId knowledge edgei? an ('.:I we are sf:? e ! i :i no
additional information .
(0 T01" !BAN ; Tt•ier e i. <_> r.iot:. hi. In (-.I wrorlca w :i t. h c: hangii n (:a our- rni nds
afterwards if something comes U13 .
Bn (4d: AS ( ) I-_ AR' A " I think: there Would t.) e a lot. -to be c:tained if we
annOL.tnce that: we , have reviewed i. t ,, we have come to a cor1serlslt.A =• ,
but We have not made a motion at th i < > pca :i r-ct. ,, it is the Board: s
feeling they wil. 1 do that. t h e v night of the h ear irlQ t..tnlr: ss
st..tbst: arlti. ciI irifolrmiat. ic)n is thought. forward to -the contrary . I
sere no reason why we couldn ' t do it that way .
(:; . Tca 'rl�l(aN � tnie (.: tan rnctk: e t:. tacry motion t: can :i. c:lhk. to declare :i k: a
I negative ac: ti on u n I ess i t can be proved to us i t. sllctul d be
ot:. her wi se . That-. Way , if rlcat. hi nq.1 c.:: harir..ic !4? , this s •t:. av s the wav it
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(::.EC: I: I.... TWIGG made t. lie Motion the F ' Iannin (s Board
make a NEGATIVE DECLARATION unless substantial information ie .
br (�u(3ht. to the attention ore the SE'QR for-- the 1::) r- oposed
Grave," I [line application of Cortland Paving located on Clark: ::) tn
Town Of Groton ; 11PIONICA C;AFIEv s_ecclrlded t: h ( � rn ( lt. ic) rl �
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B ( i7 Sn (6) I._ 0RA ", 1 woc.11r_i 1iI•:: (-a to rspe= gal•-.: against. •t. he Mot ior-, f (_) r the:
r- ea <s�oris :L Prc=: viot..t sly stated . T thin ).: there, is nothing to be lost
by wai t i ncl one week: 'to make this a -formal motion and ther (=. t. O ll d
be a 1. of to be aai reed . Y 0 U are mi s s i ria a 1. of of F-6,P,t by riot
passing it tonight „
Do C1-•1A "!" T6k. Ft` T (:) N "" Wh4at wot..tld be the advs_•tr•) taae of doir) (a :it the other
wa •,✓ ? What do we have to lose by doing it the wav Bill sl_tgaests .
Ca . "I" t:lT' I � AI�I � U1hat tracva are s -, �✓ 1. ng 't'. ran :iclk ) U. „ tPae are not closin ( tk � e?
door . What \/ cat .t have done �,� ol..l d0 riot have to go throu ah i. t again .
Bi 11 ' '.;i WaV V 0 U hiave:' t: o have ariot ipier meet ino like this and clo
t. hr" ounh it and try to Pi. cl% out . . . . . .
' the � l..lblic IrcW „ wkere the 1 (7are..lTW1 (36 W : tk•4 the motion ,C .
stands c} n -the SEC)RO
G-i . "I" (;1 'l" I"lfll�.l . 1: i:am r) ( ) t t:. ry :i. nn t ( ) 4r_) rc.: t :) sorr) et. h) inn thrcat .tnk ) , L:) ct 't 1:
a (e) riot for 'th) e•? 1: LArlaose cif :ic. st holding things- Up . That wot..O.d be
a deliberate action o -f holding t:. hi r•i (as:; t..tp . 1 sav we are r) r..) t doi r•) g
i:anythina illecial by mia ); ing a ne (� ative dec „ by holding it over and
sa •v1. n ( .1 lade wi. .l1. mi=ak: e chan (aes . We i:ar' e craving to them '' prt:) `✓ e? LAS
wrong and we will do it dif -ferently '
I::t . (:: AS 0L._ ARA I" 1 ) itt. " s finf ? y i f yr..) t .t w �::u' 1t t: c) mal e? that stat. err) e� rit.
ne >( t weele 1 wot_t :lA be more than glad to make a r_ ontr- ary statement
t0 s axv -th ,:at. 1: wasYs. :in •favor of waiting for public inpt_tt. before l•df ?
made this motion
1' E4tIta1�Jn l think if t !•ais neial4ihor'• of mire c (-.)mes. before the
Boards and he has some kn (-Dvjledge of t. hisq and he says , ' !•lass the
F( e..) ar' ( l a .lr" fi:? ad `I approved tl-iii." ' . .
IGo TOT' C'1ANnu We a )'•• e raopt saying we are apprc) vi. nc1 it . We are
avi ncl 4 as i:a Board , we spent f ot_tr hoUr" s ctoi. nq through the-_' EA !-' „
and we have made i-x motion that , in our
opinion . it Gal7o LA 'lci bf ) i:a
1 negat:. ive action . lh) ::at: :t <:, i ; l. l we ale c,• ay :LnC) . l: f arsvbody can
�s f-) r- c:) ve it different , we will r e crA v a l t..t a t e i. t .
C . 1" WIC4% G It is not set in cc:) nc: r e? t. eN if somet. h in (:1 more comes
:i n we can go back arid look: at i t. .
Bu C: A 'SCIL_ ARAa 1: t:. k•) ink: vou ' re wrol..) c7a 1: thi1-1k: J. •t. i. <.s more set. in
concrete than you th) ink: . :1 tk•; ink: we; Shc: Uld revoke the motion
and (ae) bac le to c_a (:ar) t:ser4 71. S .
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VOTC . Yee: 1' wia ^
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Chi..=tttertor•)
! No ."• Casol ar- a
MOTION CARRIED
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G *TC) TlvlAI'•I " .1. oot. a 't. h i (") r..t it--) the mail the C)th (::? r• da `✓ from thc }
Neva fork State I__ atrid Water Proar- a (nsn 1" his is a non - profit
orcaani ation that. 1-) t..tts • or') pror3rea(ns a:trot-tnd the i:.. ti=A •te „ I' haver
particular interest i. n it becaUse a lot: of Board members c- anr) ot
tt::tk (-.a time (::) ff from work to attend -the con + ere= r•) ces in Nr.-: tea `r' (-) rl•; arid
tI") e Catskills . 'This is sr..) (() etI") i. na -that: is cr..) inex to bla pt..tt:. on
:locta .l I n In this ptort. ict..t1. tar cryac; e i 't. :is c3oinr_t tC) bc-? at. t:. he
Syr" aC: Use I-1ol i day Inn near- the airport . There are going to be
f c ) .tr xtro n r arra =: Olne i e- on Assessing the Impact of Devc•;? I opnent c.) f
L. as-1d U13on the Gltater- shed Local Regulations of 'E) and and Gravel.
11inets A llorat. or" i. Ct (n ot"i the Master P1. anr') ino F" roces =., „ the othcir one
is the lrnpact: n n n n n n n u n n u u u u v n u n
It is- a Fri (Jay and Saturday deal and VOU Carl elect.
to go to an `✓ one of the pr" oL7rainS Each program C: f_ st:. = �• 4� 0 per•-
per <..-- on per program , al l fot_tr' proQr" a (ns :( t ; $ '? (") (-) per person . 1. f `✓ 0U
don ' t go to any of the progr" ains you can buy the material for" the
, , ( ) or <tm " for" Ix'
�" � t ' 1. t , e, r I ' �.. .. �:) r' C7grarYie l (7 <=''t `✓ C-? as fT) et. tltclC� e t (:) tllE? � QWI") l::(C"' .err d
t1-1r0UC4.3h THele- eca to appro `✓ e that t�-tt: Iea �- t ? meml".) ers of the JEiC) ard
Can zattendn .I. f 'they didr') ' t apprc.:) Ve sending the two (nembers at
Ieac. t: bt.. V the programs that pertain to U S acid have them passed
(:) t"t •t. to the meml:.iers. n I �it..tst. wanted to let voc.t 1- now that :in c: a � > e
yot-t hear- sornethi. nca abot_t •t i t n If they do pass it and Allow two
members to go be tt-t :i nk i nra of 'the two m (:tuber' s yot..t would nominate
to caon The dates are Mar" c: 1) 1 3< I „ 2 : ; - 1•1oUrFs u. essioT ) s dc.trino
the (-1ia `✓ for- two . daV (an
1 hF3S epr' ogra.mns wot..tl d (;Ti. `✓ e you �i.:orT) E•1 i npt..tt of what
is going on a:� r' ot. tnd the . twate . How other communities, are handl i. nc._�
the same problems vie 1'•) ave .
l: I L. L CAS CII-- ARA made -the mot :i on the I" ' :l �trin i r) r_( 1C( r.) <7r" d
ad _i out r" n04 CEC. IL TWIGG seconded the :notion " A1.._ L. wer.' c? in fa `✓ or• a
MOTION CARRIET) n
: b, U l ar rrteet: i nc3 of -the F" l anni ng l3oard wti l l beer 1- el. d
on Thursday ? F " ebr' t"terry Ira „ 1989 After-- two public: hear" ingt-* to begin
at. pn (n
Respectft-t :lly c- ubmi. 't •t cl „
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lMa c t A . Palmer
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