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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989-01-19 'TOWN Of= (63RO "I" ON P1.... ANN I M:?, DOARD Tht..trsdav Jant..tary 1. 9 , 1. 9896 8 „ i) 0 P . M . BOARD PUBLIC PRESENT E * Ge' orrle 'Totm <:tn . Chairman Gary Wood . Code E' n + or" cen)ent * C:ecil. lwiga . Officer * Ve., rl RG:tnkc :i. n (:; hr i sty Wa1. p (-) 1 e . 1. 02 Church St. * 11oni a Carey " Robert: Walpole . 102 Church tat . * Bill Casolara I.... ot_ti. e�� Wolf „ Fr" e,:. evi :lle * David Chatter;t. nri Charles Ni. cl- iol s . 520 Champlin Rocaer- ('31 eason . CY7 Old Stage 1:) r- esent ) Daniel h :: . Schaefer . Empire Soi 1. s Annl"lar i e VanOrder a 45 7 P l elasant Vav Rd GE0RC:1L: 1*0 (:31" MAN , Chairman , npened the Pl i-iinni nc_! Board meet inca at Bp :) (%:) p . m . BILL_ CA `yOLAIi (-1 made the correction to the Nov mlaer q 1. 9 8G minutes , the vote on the Motion on place 1. 7 1- ho (.AI d indicate Abstain - _ Ca col arra. BILL CASOLARA shade the motion the m i nu 'h.: es of the November , 1. 9f038 mi nUte he appr (.) ved wi. th t tie correct. ionq DAVID CHATTERTON seconded the motion and it. care" :! e (_4 ,. REVIEW OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF . . ..... _ . _ ._ . . _. _ _. _... ..... ..... .._ ..... _ ..... _... .__ ..... ..... .._. ..... .._. .... _._ ..... _.. ._.. ._.. ..... ..... ._.. ._.. ..... _.. .._ THE INTERSECTION OF OLD STAGE RD . AND CLARk:: ST . EXT . TOWN OF GROTON : (a . T (:) 1"1vIAI\I n :R: believe (=, vF= r' vr) {"te h7E.-, in front of t. I") cm the iw r:: l ; rt:. r.- h Bob Walpole 1_) r-- bvi ded of tine proposed st. bdi vi si. on . R . WAI_ twOLEn This is riot a formal application but. to pr- eliminary proposal . After visiting vii th NYSEg< G about their rules and r' ec;3t_tIat: i. ons <arid after being, informed by the -romp k: i. ns, ,C." o6hty I• egal th Department_ that it would be 4 to 6 months bef ore thev could revi eaa l_ he pI an f or a ma .i or or • mi. nor sUbdi vi sri can q whichever t:. his=• isq I am looki. na + car fLd ther' details from the Pl a rini. nit Board toni nhit ( af the ai. >e% t_~ n i t st_tl:adi vi. si ol ) or') Old St. arae I ; d . ar) ci C1c11^ 4: + St . Ext . what. le- eclUirements the Town would ha ;} .1o (0.) kinca f (--) r acid stipulating if this subdivision ii:- carri. e(:I out . i f we came to terms with NYSE °SG arid the Tompkins County 1 ieze l tl•') Depart:. men t . Be CASOI._ ARAn :I: t:hir) l; one t- h :inct 41ot_t are c, oinrl to have a problem wi. th i. Gs i. n regard to the way the lots arr_ constructed . It may make thi s Board i. fnp (:) ten t t (:a act and r' e� r_It_( i. re Y (� t..t to c, (::rt a v ��.ri. lance . ""'here i s a Clause i n t1-) e Ordi n <ance that. states that al :1. sio de :1. :i ne:, s_y o • : : . ot: s sh') a :l 1. be at right <_� ne� 1 e <. y to straight. st { eet lines_: and radial to curve -: and %✓ ou 0b 'vi. ot.~ s :l. y don ' t have 'ghat sitt..tatior) ' emistna . If the situation evicts it r-- ec-.p..tir• as t:. hat a vi:.iri. anr_: e be granted and that is Section 85 . 2 . 1=' acae I + Ca . WdC7C:11:} U over what period of time . . . . . You are aware of the Stat. e clef i. nition of a st.Aidiviciican ':' {w; . WALFTLE4 Yes-, . Go WOOD : {•' F) :L c-> wo {_( l. d be spread ol..tt. overa 3 ._. •✓ ear period therefore making it a subdivision by the State definition . Wlhat. 1: am p {-:? i'_ t i nca at %.,eau ar {� s t i :I. 1 4 �� (:: cad W :t '! tl 'k: h �a (: ca (_( nty !-Ir:;? wt :l. t. t� Department approval you are bringing your own erica i. neer' i n P { . W (iLF• ' C_?LF::: A We have cic) ne that. :i. n Sor' t. land and 0ncartdaaa Counties With r) o problem . CY . '•1" 0IT1'� AN What does tIIle State have 'l ca (Jo wai with :i. {- '? ti . WlCIC1C) a It i (es the c: onr._' er' n of tl ) c llea .ltlt is} ep �arl . mE ? nt. apr:) rova01. of <a sutbcli. vi si. on deriencic on the State definition of a s(_cbdi. visi. on , which i sip t: t•) e development of 5 or more lc-stc; in a per i od of ;:: `✓ E.,ars . 1. If i t. :1 �:• go3. 1'� (:� t:. o be a L.( bd i vi ion by the Strate def in i t: i. 'on t. I-Iien he i ss going to have to have the Co {_{ I; ty He <:tl •L• h De }:, artmel-) 't:. ' E: approval before he (- an proreed . Go TOTMANn 1 aL.( 't.'. omatically at sL.{ med that he. knew this . F . W (1LF' (:ll.._ E „ !_ et " s bac.. k: (_( p . W# hat if h i ! :i ri bro6:: en into 3 .1 C) and they all. exceed 5 acres , what do we need to c:lo '? 1IF we f i 1. e ria •Forma. l appl i c- ati on , do we I-lave to coo thro(_{ cah ra pUbl i r hear- :i nca or Can `.got_( vote c::) n it long a 'a all l otf:- ar' e over 5 arrues in 9a9 z e- and it bec: omes a F::{_cral Subdivision . GU Tf. 1Tl=i (� !�! Then it is L.( p t. c) the 1 ' 1 anr) in (a Nc) � ard " s d :i. c: r (� ti c)n . F . W ALF' ('.11_.. L-:: n 1 f wE..? have potential buyers Who are 1. ool••: i t o nca bt.liId $ i. bC') to $ 2 (.),( ) thous- and hoL.c <::; e there and thf.-,-o� y are not goir•) cl to wai t h to B mcznths tAthi l e {"IL.( r) s ( M F�; c� cil t:. y gotta their act talgether .. B ail !=:• i Cis 1 l V , t {") e 4aE' people el r (?? ready 't:. (=3 Ct o when t {") F.' 'F r' r) G '{ !:1 ( ? 't: (;:) Lt t: of the gr caL.( ruld , (;{ ri. :l 1. I1ay 1. or someplace in that nei (ahl::) or- hooc:l . so •h_'. hat: they r_: an pIan on (.-.ietting into their- 1•ton') es sometime in 0ctr_)bpr- or November . We ar- e 1 oral•:: i ng at somethi nca „ i IF vie Want. •t_ (a {:3romote thi !� area and we ha %✓ e people who want t. o l ora 't". e in this area , we r•ho. Ul. d try to ar_ r (--immoclate them as long ate. We Cain mal:: e sr..) met:. hi. no rea .l. :l. =.:* tic: a .1. .1 •+f worF:: . if it. I. oc) Cs .I. �. ke (roe are going to run into a lot of red tape on 6 L.( ni. t °-sa then (tar' rar) fr. al•:: e it or 4 Units and st ;av within the rt..( 1. e � > rav (Did redt. al:, e and still. be l emicA1. 'a I GO WJC1!:) l } 1It I. (� oI:- s 1. :i ke to me yr..n..( c: oL.( :I. d go LAID to5and t •t:. r; v within the Rural i. tL.tation „ I •I F( . C' ASOL. ARA ". l: don " t think as a Board and in my pc) C7i ti on on the Boar- d , T. don ' t: wardt t: ca impede any F:: i. nd of progresFi or get. in the way of legal people lc � r cle e . opi ng land , but. we do have tl •) e Clydi nanc: e wh :i r_ h °: {:: we have:? to Con iul. t . 1 R WA1.... POLE "That. i s not my pc—) i. nt. a My point is that we are tr ✓ a. nCt , to promote t•:. he area , vot..t pecipl e also sio have •t:. c ? give us sorrle i. nptrtt on what some of tt•le rules and reou :l ati. ons, ar- en 1: don ' t read that wi-iol e •t:. ev t aG I am c? hvi ot_ts> l v devil. i ng Uai. th ever• a.1. differerit c MITI t•:. iPS What I am lool:: ina for i. s s• orne i. slllwtt from the F' l anni rrcl froard to say l oote at the "t to ` `. 1. ots ' . What is the I.lest route to establish the taialter tax bi-.-se ? That is lrah ;::kt 1: am loclk: ino for . .Do CASCII._ ARA ° 1: -thin [:: the most expeditiot_tt-> proc.: eck.tre availablr.n to you is. the 3 to 5 lots with each lot over 5 acr- caw whi. r_ h wos..t1. d laut you in a Rural Subdivision , 1' hra nca :: t stept..t �, from that wot..tl. d tae 3 to 5 lots less than 5 acres which wou1. d be a Mi. nor•• c, tsL r_•1 i. v i. s i. on ,. R WAL. 1=' (00.)1.E e :l f any of the 5 1. ots area under f i ve-a acres i t wot_t1. d tar . . . . . , D . CASCII.._ ARA „ A Minorr t:3ubdi vi si on if any orl �a lot is less than 5 acrNs which wc.� tt 'Lri be a little more~ of a process 17t..tt I don ' t •!:. hint:: i. t:. >raot_tl c_I tttl:: c-r c, months . hs . ta . "I` Ol IvIAI�I The 6 mon t . h tte wa <_�y re f r.? rr i rlca to was f cir Health Department approval. Ft . C: ASOLARAn :1 am savir•in %✓ ot_t r.. ot_sld eAsi Iv a_ eat:: •t: hr- ot_t (.ih t:. 11i Board in that ti. rr, e period . 6 "t'• f_7T11A11 Another thinci we can c:lo I- ere is aive Dot:) scwie d i sect. i on 4 such as do we as a Board see c=... ny st. t..unb l i na blocks, if he goes like the <.----4.etc: h pre ent: ed clr if tie rr, ak: es the l c7l. s i-a :l c:rcaer land noes for a Rt..tral Subdivision or i. f he matoes the lots into a Minor- SUbdi. vit-* ion . do we see any st: t..tmhl. ina I:y :l. nct; s where it wot_tld tat; e more -than the `% or 4 months to get i t:. throt-tah so that they can net: going by April " t1 . 1=' ; ArJk:: IP1a 1: f ✓ r_7t_t oo with t:. hi. s k: et. c- h there c: <:rt_t1. ri Ite a Iproblem Gaith the angles .. as. Bill mentioned . j R WALPOL... Eno l` t , at ' ti no l::, rc-: hlern . 1: cat_tess what I am 1. 00l:: irlcl for ;I is what tri. inners t !-ie Cot_tntV !•-! c=_ a :l •t. h Depart: mer•it: ? U . WOOD : That. '=state defir•lition . ,I Ru WAL1=' 0LE " That means on any st.sladivision in Torap [oi. ns Cos_tnt. y ? 1 l... et. rrle back t_tp anain . Wlic � t-� was vaent + clr t. tiea Rt..tr a :l ' it..thciivi. = iot7 vie had an engineer come in and do pert:: tests „ When we did the Kluge st_tiAi vi. si. on on sal t. Rd . that di dn ' t tr• i. gager- the Him. a :l •t. h Department . I sent a letter- and a map to Carl Burgess arid he said don ' t wor•• r• v abc:lt_tt i t . ' ica that. is* t*ahv I aryl vionder- i nci e what triggers the Health Del:aar- trrient ' s involvement: in a st.tbdi. vi si, on " i IPacie 3 Ci . UJCIODoo Fart. n •f that dt= •f i ni t i. on i more -than a lots , under five. r- cre� s> . wi tk'; i n "::; ve �:� rs and Z thin ril-: th ( asse on �3a :! t. I : c:l . werrc�:! all C) :Jer• 5 iacr" G:' s wdG• .' 1'" en ' 't. thC? `✓ ? R . WAI.... POLE „ Al l ( af 't. hem were vie l. l aver 5 acres: . C7 . l It:I(7I) a fic, , therefore . that. was not a subdivision si on t_( nder the State de -finition , "!- here has to be mor (::•a than 5 l. r.'.ats . one or some ofwhich have -to be lessthan 5 <acres and the ✓ haves 't. (:) be s> ol. d within % years in carder -for- it to be a sl_ bdivisi (':) ri under the .jt . risdi. ctior; of the County Health Del:aart: ment . Roo WALPOLEa Sr_a what yol_t are tel1i. na me -then :i. s> we could have 4 lots here and i. t wool. d never- trigger the Health Department on this I:aar' ti. culai subdivision "ol Goo WI:7C Doo t-aL- sol t_( tel. y" !-lowa many -total acres are there , Bob "71 Roo (AJO ._ FC? t_.E n C-? „ 1 C1TI�Ir=11�4d I" he :L W� > t:. time I c � ta (:) lcc with the 4i ( � e� :l. t: l-; I:) ef:art. (n (_yr7t. :I: understood -theirs -to say -that they don : t chive approval. •for sit_tb (:i i vi l. : 1 ons I::) er' se beca toot (niea when `✓ nt_t can s; el. 1. ca4 i cicre or two acr- es• o •f 1 and and you no down and ask: •f or to permit -from them ., C3t. eve 1•`: errss toI d me they can 't tell you :i t. ' s okay because thev don ' t I•; now what they are qoi. n (g to put.: on it when they buy :i. t . He says after ttiey buy it they come down a11d before they (:het. a doe bUi. lding I:aer" mi. t whether they can tal..t •t. one , two or- apartment units Can the .l. ot. after tectinCa they soi1. . As ca SUb (Jivi i (:) n , they can ' t. te :l. 1. diem what they can taut on there because they don ' t 4:: riow . So k'ae -tells me it :Ls wrong to !.send them down there befc:area t h ( v know what- they want. to Put can the I end . You have}} here 6 2 -_ ac.. r" e l o 't. s , . {ar whatever tkrJ are . ✓ : l (. ,= n Cn do there and he c -iin tell %Jn (_t the perk tests are s• ca •- and --• !sn , then when somebody buys that y -• a (:': r" e :l ot he might come in :and asI•:: of or a permit to tat..t 't si X apartments in . That would be a completely different septic system than for- a regular- house: . The Health IDelaartment doesn ' t: I.-- now that at the of i. r- Sts. reql..te <st. . f.; . 71iJ .16.3 °„ :[ n (:at:. he3r" Healthwords " the I:) c�Ia :� rt. rne� nt (:lrara ' t. get i n '•✓ ol. vt-_ d (..lnt. i 1 somebody b (.Avs one of 'the !-Se lots '.." I Ci . "r041" 1`1ANlR Wha •to we normally ciC—.1v J. <.s , �,� C..at_t (.-live them rt plan ar; c:l I thedo✓ Health De pt to sends you a letter bat:k, 'tel. :l. inr_I pro (_( wk ; < tt car'; be done with that .1 and . That is what then are tel .lino Bob it 'I wi :t :t tab:: e so l onr..4 to do because vot..t do have to have some I•:: i. n (:1 oddF r" ecor- d from there as to what:: can be taut in that land . food e *t a( p .1 (r-a , they mi (3h 't:. loot:: at two of -the lots and determine t. her (:..:r i. s has" d pan under li so you i ar c: ooi. ns� to have to have a topr_! f -the (trot"tnd sept:. i. c s �, s, temq or yot..l m :i alit. have to put those two 'Lots together and ha ✓ e, 1'- .� _ 3 _ have 2 - a. (_. 4'- e 1. t.:� t instead caf 2 l. - c-ac. rea .t. cat. - . Tklev c: ;tr'; t. el. 1 ✓ (:at..t t. lii 4ic. S :t i. k; e � t. katit:. , k:st_tt: they eay don ' t. b:: ncawa wk ; at rr..a (_( tar rs going to n (_( t.: in it . tin previous property dealings with h large lots that: we have handled , we have fot_tnd that -the more :i. nforma 't:. ion we o :i. ve to the prospective buyers the getter . We have been doing perk: ! _., . t. �:., r:s 'k �;, , .. _ -' _ , ct a. n r. c. r wa h► c-r has.=..s La r� c:.. rl d ca :►. n rl t•. t't c:� �� F� r I•:: t: c:� �; 'l:. s ,, I"1 r- . I I t e c. r- .. F ; cahIman from Onondagn:t Count; „ will indica 't- e can the reports . laJ (_ F: avI darie this i n Onondacia Cot..tnt. y and also Cort 1 and t::OUrlty . We give th :i. sr. information -to t. h ( perspecti -ve t) LA "✓ erg: if they arr.;� ' `. ,w plot . We wi 1, 1 <.::. Ot <•at. e wher_ tr 'khe 1:aei 1 t:. e., sst:. !"s were I_. Ll :L t'1 c { cl ..a cst c: r C: clone and it also states that when they apply for a gL.ti 1. dina per' mi t. the Heal. th Department. has -t. r_t do the final pl an . Al 1. we are do :i ng is giving the buyer some idea of what the soil. i s . Wc:� are mnaIde i na t hie ' I.) {;;01:-'• .1. e awarce , at 1 Eeias, t ' o m e cl 't' the area :i. !a c3c:) rid We are not telling them what type of system can be taut in there . These reports from Rehl. man !:state that ri. caht on them . We have had no problems with the other two cot_tnt:. i es but we haven ' t dealt wai. 't:: tl "fomp4:Ants cwi this vet . G l" OTI-IAN " I wi l l nask the Tompl•:: i ns County Health Department to gi. '✓ e LAS something in writing what -t: he `✓ 1,' eclt_ti. r- e so the Planning Board has gui del i. nes to go by . We can tak:: e this . what he is asking for , bearing that i n mind ,, we wai. I I go by 't he gui. del i ne !=: from the Health Del:) art:. ment:. . R . WAL.. POL- E e We have no probl em f o1 1 o w i nq the proper gt..ti. de1. i. nes , and i. t. would save cornpli. ca 'tions applying 't: o all the boar' (Is at. the ' (-same time . If t. l-tis pro _iec: t. proceeds we are planning on doing percolation tests to know where we stand tap therce . Bu CtA SOLO. ARAan With the us-iders-.stand :inct vot_t cart uo with a variance for the lot:. l. i. nes . 1 ; . WAL.J" OLOO. E n f;;'i cihth . D . f::: H PO" TER '1" CIIV > 1: don ' t see a problem wi t. h cc) i n ;x w :i t:. h a �✓ �ar :i. ance thiere bec:� at..ise al I the lots i. n ghat <area are tl-iat. wav ,. F; . t� ALPOLE � I:�lasi. r_. aIIv all the Lots on Stacie Rd . are lil..- e that and I think: the engineer . the st_tr- veycar , picked it up from the ongo :i. ncl :L i n e s 't o 1•:: eep wi t:: hi. n 't:. he c:: onfc.:) rfTd ty of the roar.( , i� ut•. we will check that ' Ur• t. h er and get back to voLA on that . REVIEW OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE CORNELIUS PROPERTY LOCATED REVIEW __. __ ._ ..... ._ ... ._ ..._ ..... _ .._ _._ .._ __. _. ..._ _.. _.. _ _.. __ ..... ..... _. ..._ _. ..... __ ..._ .._. ..... _ ..._ _.. _ ..._ _... .._. _. .__ _.. ..... ._ ._ ..._ _.. ._ ..... __ .... ._.. ..... . ... _.. ..._ _._ ._.. ON S . MAIN ST . IN THE TOWN OF GFOTON Ro WAL.. OI.... E �. P (In the Ccarnel i t_ts:; 'f iar" m prc ) per 't:. y ., :! ' :L :L leave this map with b' ot..t t0r1l Qht !'.SID if yf) L.t are going tics di S'- t.1. 5S i 't:. Later" voL.t will 1"ta 've it but :I: wot..tld l i 4:: e it. bade . This property lies , a pc-irtion of it about 1. 9 -- 19 ac: re !_s 1. i. eas w :i 't:. hi n the Vi 1. 1 a o C.3r' c:! t. n , he balance f it :Liecc ,Aji thi n 'the Town of Groton . There are b (::) + acres south , the barn Pane - 5 is located in this part-. irt_tI ar- 6 j ac_ r- e Sertic n t trio house i. ts in the a it" (ria 11. 1'9 (acr (i•° '.=s which is east. inorthec:i-it of 1: i . 11ain St . l would like to give a brief dic• ct..ts- Sion tonig itp if we were to ask- of the developer a 20 ar..: re planned development area with the tY- ijf 'f :ic exiting on S . Main atu which is to County road . Will it be rioi ng with an ann (-ex at'. i on on or will i. t be I ept:. in 'the Township `:1 We -feel that the public water and pub1. ic = . et1twer f r' c:) m 't. he . 16) 9 acres- that :i s owned inside the Village by tying :i n t o t:'. he cane '.cc) mp l e „ -that is l ook: i rig at that part i. ct..tl ar area . W (e ar- e riot in a, position to indicate who i. s l ool i ng at i. t , vie are it_ts- 't. looking at it to see what type of Problems the Planning Board may -foresee i. f the Pl. arin i. nc;;i Board feels i. t i !... MO to came in and ask: for some type of devel opmen t in that area esapec.: i a :l. l y w :i. t,h the 't. raf f i. r._' (-: omi. nri (_; Tito S . I1ai rf Cit:. . l: thi. ril =: 't. rirat i s one of -the main concerns ,, what trove a is- e c70i rig to do trwi. th the 't. r a f f i. c Gn TCJ .'t" h1s:Nu HcaW mUC.': I"i traf -fic: can vot_t foresee at:. -this time '? Flu WF=)I_ f=' C) l..- E n We are probably looking at ' 20 employees . Be i'�`AS (::Ik_ F-li=A What ki. ncl of traffic ".? Re ItJAi_. f' Ol__ E: n Eor(ie 't. r- t..tc k: 'trt:.kf f i c . 1 wol_tl d estimate C 'tI-) 10 tr' ac:: 't. r_)r" trailer loads a week: . Ver" v ., very c:: .l. ("' an C:: fMJ'3leV of probably .�.'. 5 'tC3 : + (,) „ (. ) (.) ( c:• i..lar- Fe feet- � a � f - - - .) cl feet ._ Trie ,� ma ✓ be looking i nq <a. t. ,� t..t ._ t':. 10 acres , l: don ' t know , if t:. he v gc) with the :20 r:tcres and ril-t :i. l. d a 5 acre comr.1l ex at the time and come back: in at. a later time for" revs eaw of anot:'. her 5 acres der.:) endi nc1 on who el. se ma `✓ Come 11'041 there . " f; . "I- l:) T*IVIF11\4u The •first thi ncl 'srol_t are tal k i n (-1 about , t. hot..tat-1 n for the initial PDA :is for the one individual. development ':' R WAL... PC:) L_ Ea That. ' <a correc: 't . if there are others interested in that 2 ("1 :ac Ir. e thine „ 1 think: each one has to be looked at c5eparat. el v 4 :i. f tht»ere via a PDA , 'the Pl anni 1 g Boarr_1 l: L) el :i Five wol_tl ci r" evi evw them separ ate I y i f yot..t rt_tl e that 5 acre ::~ I :i nd :i. vi dt_tt::tl. l y . (o) (n l: cc:) rrec 't in t. ha 't:. '? + tom . l" t:7T !"IF� l�d4 1t is easier i. f ✓ OU [:: now whet is- going to happen t with th (;e wh (-) :L e th :i. na if he is goi r'ig to re cBerve '.:' acres for hi. mse1. f and then sell some other parts- 'to somebody else then he does- it as a whole Planned Unit: Development ,, C . WLCtDn C: on `Je1'' se1 ';✓ a take t !"1ce ^ ( ) acr es arir.:1 ci eve lor) it. int. c.) an indt.tst. ria .i Re WAL.. F'Cll.._ E: :o l' thi .,nte at thiGa> point: „ basi. c-: al. :l v � we have not.1--ii. nn i. n the Village or- the Towns-hip to offer anyone of 'thee three f i rMS" we are t. al k: i nc► tc) and they are r- ece :i. vi nc_t h e a v pressure 'f r' (::) m C: or 't. l and Cc:) t..tnt:. v . I G . WOOD : Have they given ynt_t any indication of the size that t. hev neamr_! ' ' Re Ws-`)IL_. f' OI E: Both 'firms: i. nd i c: at e '215 to scIt_tare feet , with 4 to 5 acres . 1) . CHATTER~r, ol`de How mc.tcl-i acrecActe is in all of: this area ? R' . WAL !'='` OLEn Altogether- 'there i. s::, 118 ac.. r' es in t:. he townshi. c., on the e? ast �" • {_ ' 59 acr' e::? cs on 't' he 1.. ot..lt:. hwe st:. o4: _� �. -1 ey cif t, h�t e_ r' o a d ,_� rt d .� ��� :I. r.E c the road And 18 - 19 acres 't: hat s i. t :inside the torpor- ate ]. i. ne caf: the Vi. 1. 1. ctc:le . Me C:: AREYw So woc.tl. d th'lev bc.ti. l cl toward the Vi l l acle :l i. ne "l Re WAL_ POL_. E . I think: at One time there was:.s talk: about taking t h i <.zs iac,re? s and mak: i nn it either one or two -- f ami l v h'tousi r'iO 1:1ut I think:T1 at thisthispoint i. t:. i. < a `✓ ear , .'. year off down thetheroad . -ia t':. becomes a Village prcab :lem in the one cectic:)n 1: th i. nI-e our big concern is trying to find some area to c1c:; some planned dc-_velopment:. locally , G . WOODe So as i. t stands r i ctht now vcat_t don ' t rea :l. 1 v have a good idea where this 20 acre development might-. be . F . WAI._. POL_ E e Wh'tat. we are looking ,:at now is the area so wee, can ex i. t to the road by the hoLls::. e . We are caoi ncl to have an aerial (nap available so that. the surveyor can draw lines on it and a ve a better idea of location of: what we ' re~? lc_-,oloinci at -for the IDDA . .1t t.1i. `✓ e?ars ` caLl a better- view c.lf the I'iot..tses ar- OLlnCI the eal"' e? cl . G . WOOD n The thine that concerns me is the traffic . 'T. he other thi nl:: i s do :i. nlc} s-) ometl-ti na r'low that:. mi aht. ct_tt caf f vc.) ur- options in the fUture . - G " 001" 01"IVIANO :Lf was Oet tirrtc.::� tonight:. , was will look iat: it . REVIEW OF C . _ 14 L CUSTOM . I NC . OWNED BY CHARLES ICJ I CHOL AT 520 _ .__ ._.. ..._ ._.. .._ __. _._ ..._ .._. ..... ._ ._. _. ..-. ..._ _.. ._ ._. _. ..... ..... _ ..— _ ..._ ..... ..... _... ..... ..... ..._ ._.. ._.. ._.. .__ ..... __ _._ _.. .__ ._ ..... _. _ .._ ._. .._. ..._ .__ _. _ .._. ._.. .__ _ ._ .._ _... ..._ .__ ._ ._. ._.. CHAMPLIN ,.... RD ._.s_ .—. TOWN_ OF GROTON,- ._. TAX ..... NAP . NO ... ..._ 1. 9 .- 1 .- 4 ... 1. 2 Be C, A SOLARAu Georcae „ what 1: believe was did l as time was a1.tl:srcave 044 the Site - Plan Review and cr► ade a motion to c.lr_a with the short f or ml . I don ' t t. hinle we approved the -final . Irt r- eferencinq the minutes I1: don ' t:. see < tn `✓ note on that . ** Iyli m.ttes caf November .. 1988 r_: oncerni no above was re `,' :i ewec:l ** (a . T0T11AIl Does ' anyl::) ody have questions they would like to ask MI . Nichol. as I ono ae:• he is here ? Be CASOLARA n Di d we have detai :I. e' d 'final site (in -f60T111Altln It. depends on Prow c1 (.-5t ai I ed vot_t mean It: w <-:t1:s br- ot..tcaht up at the October . 1988 meet :i. n a and at the I'loveml: ) er ,, 1. 988 (Tteetinf;,I • it.. via s vot (-.• d on and approved that we pass t. 1••1i5 a lay� Iicati. ona Unless you have more questions on the type of operation fear him tonis.-sh•tta l ( „ C;A ;=OI... ARAn No .. I Just thought we had approved to go viit. h the short site — plan review acid accept his 1=) rel i mi nary arid I was not under- the impression this completed the entire process:io D . 0-1A -t- TTI=. Rl- (: N" Is this the property at the cornero •f C: h, ampl in artcl Old Stage Rd e "' ..1. TTMAhdn Yes I I Da ('1 1A -I- •TE `I•• (= N n Yes . Bill , vot t Arid I caot:. i nto a d i ru :: tt 1 �> i on on i that , remember O Didn ' t that require a variance in the zoni na ? f.� '160OT• h1A1t1n No . it was a (Juecst. ion of whether to hold a public: hearing or- not and the Board moved to no with the short •form and j a p p r ove the application presented tcs the Board a7 t. t:. he October meetings Bn (_: (-1 01... ARA " :I: Was .it-tSt takinn the Ordinance at :its faC: e valt..te ! when it save , upon approval. o •f: the f i. n a I si tea plan an (.1 t r.3on payment. Ly -(-: her-tppI i cant:. of �:t1 1 f ee <. an (J ccs =st:. cs i. st (- t_trr e (1 h:) v' the mt .u7i. ci. pa1. ity aril ;af= H? fJ shal1. endorse the appr• oval on the copy (_, •f t'. h4:r site p l ars and forward it to the - oni n (a (::) •f f i. (- era " I ttaasn ' t sur- El that process:: hc-� d been completed . Has i (7n ..1.. (J _l.. MANU Yes . as I understand it . it ha s Gn WOOD " I think: whtat. is unclear is mak: ina st..tr- e that jprocedure was 'the shtort pro (..- edt..tr- e . f Bn C:: ASOL. r� RAA I was clear it was the short procedure but. I i fWasn ' t clear' 'that-. this was the final aF, provaI A I 3 s S ] \ C- f) o C� HA •T �'f• kIM '•I" CJldn I t:. his-t }; •khcr.. e i _- as-t error in 1F. ra � ir� g :, oma_ t: l-rir► a ot.t •t because I think we did decide '' what. it-: the point in cont :i. nt..t :i. na any f t-trther e ' :l tht i nl% the p (ai. nt you ' re tal. } i na about is he went ahead and did i t i::) r i or• to any application and vie di scusse (:I t: he possibility c) f (r, ak: i rig 1-1i. (r) go throUght t:. he ft..tl 1 procedure j re a a r d I e =ssn I ire C' A ;� C:tl..- ARAn I s:iee this as being a two - f �:tced prr- cess. e One where: the applicant comes in- with a F, rel i mi na. r•• y site -- plan r- eview , gets approvE11 to go with the short form and then C.-30.. s approva]. ain I the finaa :l pac10acaea According to the text in the Ordinance that is t. l-te pr• (:.i (- ess t1-1at: shc) u :i. d be f o ). 1. owed 1: wa <."5 t..trider -Lhe i mpr• eC: si on that we had approved the preliminary , went with the •form and had to f i n i <_ h the pr• (::) (::: e. ss out. A i I I Page _ 8 •t~ t~te lat'- �'1 •1. -f :�casnc � l acxr' i. tr• ovi. clti: u tr• �4 �c] r •t:. `d • t.k1C? r l-lt� � q t]11S::. C ` t F. opIP erl.. a �� ri - a I t•; .. l'• C:tTMAIqe :Ert my opi. rai. c3ra . :i. t i. s no e >( c- t_tsen tat +. t t h e r e r: rca still many ° many pec.)pl. e ot..tt there wl-ic::a dor•a " t really l:: now that they have to get a permit . B . CASC:)L.AF:II I .curl so cll ad to hear vc:at_t f i nail. I y come arot..tnd to that point:. of view after months and months of tryinca to say that manv people :i. n this -town are not even aware -that z oni n © e %t i stsa . PROPOSED SPECIAL F'EF M T T CHANGE REQUEST BY PATRICIAL_ T IVGTON 1= FROM WY .A_ O _..O __. .__ ._. ._ __ ..... ..... ..... ..._ __ ..... _ .._. __ _ .__ .._. .... ._.. ..... .... A _. ..._ __ ._.. R _.. _ _. ._ S •_ __. - ..._ .__ .__A __ ._ .__ _. __ .__ .w ._ .__ ._.. _.. ._. __. .._ .._. .._ .._. ..._ .__ ._. __ ._. A _ _ RESTAURANT / BA�i _ TO _ A FARMER ' S _ MARh ET _ AT 75C� _ CORTLAND .._ RD . .a•. ._ TOWN _ OF GROTON ti TAX MAP NO . 20 - 1 3J o C; . ..I.. OTMANa You all re e(waved the letter from Allin (aton . Bas :ic: zall. yq the problem is money . What happened was the Hc. al. th Department required she put in such an expensive septic s %71 •",• terra and aahen s ! ae +�,+ ent to the banbc t. c hear roux mcanev fear tt; c� reet. at_tr �-:ent ec:lt_tipment the taanl< wot"tld not loan her -the money tac ci-ause <shaca was pt..tttinc.3 it in somehody t3t_tiId :inct . So she now wan ts,> to open a type of farmer ' �., tnc11 " I :: C' t: . :: F: f.) N " could I have this c :i. ari f i cad . She got- approval be -fore and new she is comi no • back tr) i th a different •f or m o •f tat..t <. i. nee> s ` ' %3 . • I OTMAN " What shcc i s 4ast:: i. na now is , shc--� 1"aas the ap }3roval + C3r a restaUrrjnt / bar but now she on1 v wanti to r LAn a st .-And a food stand selling veget. ablcecx: and flowers . with the eVentUi_tl (3oal of one of t !•• ese day �> having a (ni nor food service . then she wcat_tl. ci !"aavca t:. o c orate° I:a"aC. tc t ( a t..ts: aracai n . She was told that i aer permit f r cam Us is fear a r` estaur" ant / Liar arid she tia. s to come back and let. the 1:oc":ar" d know o •f the change . l::( . t::� ASCIL.. ARA � 1: think: t:. hi. ! get �a to the bottom of t: he situation vie _JUSt di 'BCUSsed . She came in . she did i. t right .. and atpplieci when :i. t was in -the conceptual stage . I would rather sl-ae dial that thatn anent ahead got the fUndi ncl9 opened the business and then wal l•; ed in arid : said " c : an I do it ? G" 4l" 01" MAIq : Does anybody have a pit- cabl c? m with what she proposes to do ? D . CHATTEF: •TONan We don ' t:. have -to worry abc)if..tt holdinci c+ pt_ttal. i. c hear i no ? C+ . !" C) TI`lANd We al ready had that and t:. his has rnUC. h :Lesser impact. The people who came -to the public hearing taeforr had no ota _jec..: tion to a r- est•:. aura:+ nt .. it was the bar part they otaject. ed to . B . CASOLARAo I Jt.tSt want to set the record straight on her Short Envlron men t. �:aI A -: sese <.ement. for (S; Item 9 . Si"ae 5 < lv <. ; the t3Ui. 1 di nca :is al. r•• eadv zoned corr+merci al and that is not a commercial zcar•; e . it is. a rt"teal agri c: t_tl t. t_tral Carle . Pacae -- l. ( a (=, . Tt:lTMf-lrao 1" hat waS a rnicrconcef:i 't:. ir.:} nt'} c not frr«gym a :I. c-� t of peopi e because i t was acSsi.( med that the commercial di 4:• tri ct al ono F; t:. a 2 '21 went:. ail -the way to the St_ I t f:? d . and it doesrC t 4 it on 1. v goes to Lick Sta Bo CASOLAR () w l: t :i s <_tn :im1portant. point. hC_- c.: aUs some of the regulations appl. v differently to a commercial zone and a rural. aoricultur- a .1 nor} ea DAVID CHATTERTON . made the MOTION -the Board n (::) wi th the short si te --. pl an re ■✓ i e-! w ( 1:3ect: i on 440 . 1 3 ) and approve the change in use of the Special. Permit requested Iry PATPICIl� A L L I N(03' TC,N for t h el FAR11ER ' C:3 I:) i-, tJ64-1 "fE_ I: I oca 't_ ed at. 7 `0 ( : or• t 1. and Rd a a Town of Groton4 T' a :: Flap No . 2 (:} - 1 - : ; with the fol. lowairio con (Ji. tion � � :1. a rdo access or enress to i t. . a '22 "? N o o f f e n i. �✓ e I i c] E`} t. i. n n 't 1 t a 1_ w o i .( l c:l distract . mot.. or i st.. !-.5 3a Signs to comp i v with -the Toni n (� C:; ode 4a Re +LASc is to be b; ept in closed containers 5a Desi. (anated parking to be (_: omp 1. i. ed wi th 6a A :I. 1 Sta. t. e bt.ai. I. di. ng codes are 'to be complied with 7 . 1..« andsc: api. ng and outside de p :l ar} s a < , submitted are to he compl. :i. ed with 80 Noise level. is to be kept to a minimum so as not to disturb the ad ; r_t :i ri :i ng nei ghborS . VERL RANK I N seconded -the motion . No further discussion VOT1= n AI«« L. in f ay (:ar' MOTION CARRIED WOLF -T I LLOTSON M IN I NG PERMIT l oc ated on Ch i pmans _ _ Corners _. Rd . _. Town of Groton . Tax Map «_ No . _ 16- 1 -93 G . TOTMANn C41r , Wolf is asking for a reneaial. (:.tf the permit he al ready has a i) t. t hi s poi nt we wi :1 I I et I._ (_} u :i. e Erg: p 1 ai n where he stands with the DEC and their permit and where he Stands with (_is . L a WOLF ' I stand gor..td with t:. h the DI:" (.:, . they are goi no tor« e*�ertw the DEC permit for years . £.7a CASOLAF. A, w Are there any pr' obJ. (-' ritc> th• 4::} 't:. a n v o n e knows about w i t I`} r' e. :l at i. can to t: l t i s :• r, t?, a WC) f_ I7 � rJ(:tne t. h �� t: J: know of or have been broi.tnht. to my attention . It ' s been atao (..tt a month since I havi3 been by there . La W0L. FFu 1" here hasn ' t: been much taken out of there this yearn l 'think: last year i t wad`s 6 .n000 yard ., this year it was abC.) Ut , 0C) yard a Dutch was my regular CU t. omer and he s so ]. d ak..tt. to Chuck Spaulding . It is i uS.• t a shMal I operation . Go ��lA! (:J (IDn .1.. 1_.� tr.,r_ c= aren ' t. :-� n �✓ s::. t. rai. ner• s up there " L.. . WOLF : No . l" here ' s hard1 v a loader left there at n i aht 1) a C:.. l-Ir=1 ..i.. ..1_ F: F, _f. 0N Does that have a time restriction or•i :it "' Lu WOLF Da •vIi. aht. hoc.trs . G , 'TOTMANn Fcasi caI I v „ I.._0L.ki e and Rocler have the same restrictions . DAVID CHATTERTON „ made •t- he tlOT101\1 the Boi-tr• d appr• o •ve the renewal reque!St of I._. (::UIS WOLF for h i. s mining permit •f or- hi s ar• :_ivel mine located on C::h :i pmans Corners Rd . Tawi 1 of Grotc:an . F• a „ Map No . :16 -- 1 -93 to r- ►..kn fur• nears in conjunction with the DEC permi t y CECIL TWIGG seconded the motion " VOTE n ALL in f avor- MOTION CARRIED L . that1L_ Fn I would 1 i km to ask I sra7. ci a ca ► .► v :' acres cif land and tie wanti-S 4 more acres adjoining the fir• "-_•it .«''. acres. Do I need a pG*rmi t to sell. that ? B CNAS0LAFiA n Si nce vou ' re sel :I. i ne t it to the shame i nd i v :i. dual . there i. s no problem vai t. h that. . ROGER.... _.. ..... .JN M .. h1 I NG PERMIT T 1 oc ated on C 1 ar k: St . E :% t „ . Town of _.. ._. ._ ..... ._.. ..,_ ..... ..... ._ ._.. ..._ .... .... ... ..... ..... ..... _.. Grnt_ vns_ _ Tan. .__Map.. .....No . .. .._. 1. 21 - 1 -21 e 3aa .. . . .. 1- , 81 CzL_ LASON . Last June you extended my mi ni i icy p e r m i t f or- 4 months to November , 1. 9BE3 . At the time I thought it would be to the fall h ►..tt. the T:IEC% permit. cost the same for- 4 moint1•-ts as t. hev do for a near s- o I renewed the DEC for a year and Foracit to come laac k in Mere to have the 'Town permit. correspond to i t. . D . C:' AGOL-. ARAn E ��s <.5e1-1ti a1. 1 v , th :i s i isthe same request that vuk_t crave us on :Jt_► ne 2` :1. . 1988 except that you want a 1. 4••- ye8r extension instead of ca 4 -- month extension ':' Rif GLEASONo V . RAW" INn When trai .1. 1 the DEC permit rt..tn out ? G . GLE (.) S (:7Nn :Jtt1. v 121 1 Ear . Ba C: AEaOI... ARA- " Are there any pr• otal. eats that anyb (: ) dy is aware of ? Page 12 r TOTOMA1\1 I have been by there And have not seer--i much activit- v . „ l" he canl. v thing I heard people complainaiaot.tt- is e- ar l. y in the cr► c: rni. n (--i or on Sat. t_trdaiv or Sunday . that was onl. a comment not a complaint , and that was over A year ae30 . But there has been no complaints turned in can i. t:. . R . GLEASON: That ta4as ATV ' s running arcaUnd i n thC► -rre at. Ertl 1. hours . I ' haven ' t been able 'to catch anybody there, thot..tgh . BILL CASOLARA made the MOTION the Board extend -the mining permit of ROGER GL. EASON located on Clark St . Ext . . Town of C� r' oton fry .; Map N . 1. 21 - 1. - 21. . 2 to Ju1, v I 1. 9R9 with the same restrictions that were stipt..tl. ated on the original permit CECIL TWIGG seconded the motion V01_ E ° ALL in favor MOTION CARRIED SITE _ FLAIL._ REVIEW• ._.. of. ._ _.. F� I.CHAC D CASE f r r a Truc F:: Transfer business bei ng ..... _.. opereted _.. at. .._ =�2 F1 easant _ Val 1 ey .__ Rd ... .. .__ ..... Town - of _ Gr^ oton .a. ._.. T � >_: _.. Map... _.No ... .._ 32 - 1 - 25 . 124 BILL CASOLARA made 'the MOTION the 1'=' lanni. ng Board -tab :l e the Site Flan Review of R I CHAF, D CASE. dt..te to the + ,:act no one was present to address the concerns of the Board in Accordance with Section 440 , 24 VERL RANKIN seconded the motion " Di Sc. ussi on n G . 'T01" MAN " 'The Ordinance says he has to have the information . Bo CASOLARA : I feel the Planning Board would be at: a large di !sadvant. age to ho :l. d a public hearing without havi. ncy rc.avi ewed it wi th the applicant prior to the heari ng o 'The Ordinance says ' a �sl: et. c: h plan conference shall be held between the Board and the Appl. i. cant ' § to me that means he shot_tld be here to answer Anv cone-: erns •L- tie Board has about the application . G . TOTMAI l „ There i s a mot i on on t he f l oor that we tab l e th i s t:. onJ. (.3 ht- + or lack- of information and the lack of the presence of Mr . Case . Wou :l d i t be ac3reeab1. e wi th the Hoard that we c► i + :i. cia :i. 1y notify lair . Case :lr, writ. :lna that: t'. 4 ► i h < F ? peraecl and we r' ecat..tes-• t him -to come 'to the next meeting to further explain it so we can schedule a pt_tb :l i (-. : he <--_tr' i no before we proceed any + t_trt:. her `? H . SOI_.. AItA � I VJC1UIdn ' t rc:5clt_test , I trsot..tl. d reQLAi. re that his pr eil.-5ence i s rE`M..iui red at the next Board and meeting to c: ont i nt.te with thin prc ) cel�• G • . Go 'T ( I1•' i'ii--allo We will. notify him that. he has to come. -to a Board meet i. ng and e .; plai. n the application to the Board before we can SChecl +_tl. e a pu [:: 1. i r_' hearing and then we w i I I sc: hedt_tl. e Et pt_tb1. i. c t ; (=} ar :i nci . In the mean -ti. me „ the Bc-) ard will :let i. t he l : nowan to him that tie is operatinca illeclallv . After was discuss thi <.:� w: i. th him . vie let. him I:: nowa we are ot:i :l. igated to hold a public hear- ino . Aft_ ell. the pl..lhlic hearing we are obl i ciated to make a-1 decl tea. or-t wi t•. hi. n 45 da `✓ s . The cal..lest i. on :i s . i. f the Board does not agree with hi <... proposal or he does; not corr;e in to di scl"lss it with the Board , what do war: do at that poi. nt r`1 My sl_lciciest. i. on i s . we have ti m (=? bet. ween r; ow and the pl.. b .]. :ic hear• in ( i for me to rl..ln t:. hc-:; t gc.lc� <.,> ti. ori t:iack: by the "Town Board and ask% them what actions the -,✓ think: the F I arin :i. rio Board shol_l :l d f oI I ow f rc::i (Ti the '1" r..iwan Board and 'Town Attor- nev s standpoint "? B . COSOL.. ARAu. :I: don ' t see t_ts as lae :irlo an enforcement board . G 'TO 'T' MAN : That ' s why I suciciested was let the Town Attornev te1. 1 us wt•; at to do i. n thi !-> si. t. l..lati01-1 "I" his person is; a. r•i operat. ion ., and wae l•:: nciwd he is in operation , Don ' t I.ir- e , iudoe the sitl..lation . he may come my but in case ' omethi. no does gc) wrong was will have the interpretation from the "Town Attorney on how to proceed . There is a motion or; the floor to table the Elite - Plan Review of Richard Case : VO *1" ' n ALL. in f avor MOTION CARRIED MININGPERMIT ",.. reguest _ from C:ORTLAND PAVING on land Located on. __ ._ ..... ._.. ..... ..._ ..... _.. .__ .._ .__ ..._ .__ _ _ _.. 4.... ... . . C1. ar, Fc _.. _.. Ste � Eact _ s. _. Town _ of _ Groton .,.. __. Tax ..... MaP... _... Nca . _ 1b - 1 - trq represented _ by ___ Empire Sails _ Investioation.,.. ..... Inc. . B C%(21) S0I.P_ A I'll Aa Before we gent into this . could you cn...plain to c.t what: has happened in relation to the '.Town Board ? G" Tl"l "1" 1`1AN e '1- he c:Il_lc• st. :i can wars raised at. the last meet:. i nca (_tl:acil_lt t:. l-re "Town Hoard doi n a the SEOR and the Pl anni no Board doi nu the Si to - F11 an Fn: e. Va. ew . J. t di dri ' t mak. e sense to have twao be) at• r'• ci ins✓ olved in this .. so CIarifiCati. on waas recauested from the Tawr•i Board . In the meantime I went to a seminar. on zoning / planning where it was clearly stated that: whoever the lead zkgency was , was the cletermi ni. nca ar_Iency . Which means if yol_t are the I. Pad i-iiciencv yol..( wi I l condl_lct the SEQFi and approve or di sapprove the app .l :icat. i. or; . "I" t ; e '1" owr; Board discl_t < secl it. with thtr-� l" r..iwar ; 6lt:. torrie �✓ and deci. ded they waol..11 d not get involved in the SEO.R and has t: ur•• ried the whole process:, over t". o the Pl. anni. nc., Board . From this point. one 111Ir . Schaefer from Empire Soi. 1 =. : will be dealing with the F' I anni ng Berard for approval Do . D . SCHAEf= !~: R: 'T. here waas additional wording t. c; the orioi. na }. application ' that. wasregc.ce <.•5ted byI.. he I? G::: C . Tliey regl .le <.-> tc.� cl a mare det. ai. :l ed rec 1 amat i on plan , the stream cross-. i rig per- mi. t anc_I a t:. ra •f f i c anaI yts= i s 1 hose w :G .I. I Ise r' e" add I'le :: 'k. weer:: . We have done the field work . That is where we t=• rand at this point , Paue? - 14 Gu WOODn Will that be submitted as a modification to voc.tr- original al:aplicatJ. on '7 D . SC:MAE:. FI"Ru As: an addendt..im , Ga WOOD " So i64hat. has been submitted to the Board at present is not Complete or Up to elated l thin [:: there is also a letter from the Town Board ask: ina that same additional inforrnatic::anw So anything YOU do toni. e} ht is st_tl-a ,ject:. to the modifications r• er.� uest. eeia 'The normal. procedure :i 4= to r = view t:. hF:, documentation the Doaard has rec_ ei. Vied , determine what [ ind oi: a--ic: ti can :i t :i s , and based upon that. determination ., determine whether or not there: is a potential. envi ronmentaa :l impact . If the snswer i r..so i t: cl (::) es not:. t:. hen -that ends. the SECaM process and you proceed with the Site •-- F' l an Review . Tf the ans=. trier- is sei ' vess. o it rioe <.::, have an impact:. ' then you c.7o back: to the appal ir_ ant and tell hi m aae•5 are c.onCerned about-. certain areas:, and a <.s; k him how he is aoitoo to handle -them :if the %✓ occ:. ur .. l: t•. I•ii r•tk: t:. i••Te clt..test: i on that ar i sen- :i s tf:shethc• ? r yoc.c want to proceed with •t_ his now . knowing additional i. nfc? rmati on :is forthc.ofyii. ria It rn {av be appr- opr i. at. ca tr..3 aid ot .trtt this meeting for . '. vaeeks� [:: nc wi nn the acldi ti. on <al i ta •forrrrati on will he available and pUt i t. on the adjourned aoend <_i .. Ei ., C:ASC:1Lf RA. Does everybody have a copy of fart 167e NYSFC] R? G 'TClT1� AN As Gary stated i. f yQU area going to declare r_t po => i ti ve action n that mean; you -find r•To environmental impact and the procedure stops there. d If \0✓ ou (declare a r�Tegati ve action you waar•Tt:. more st: u (7.1iesd. then he has to mal:: e out. the :lone? form and get. it back to USN Gn WJOOD " He has already dc:ane that. Based upon that You wi 1. 1. determine taihether- or not there is an environmental impact that becomes part (-) f the rTeciat i ve (declaration . If \✓ ot..t shot..t1. c! make a positive decal arat. i. on � -t ien vot..t ar• e asking f or- an envirorimenta :l impratc::: t:. statement . D . SC.HAEFE' Ru. `Fhe DEC said th <-at if they were the lead agency t:. hey wot..t .l. d most. 1 i [:: el. y i sst..te a necaat- i ve de-? c::: .l arat i on . Ge W DODO We are aware of that and that is one of the rea <.s> ons the 'Town wanted to I:ae the lead agency 1-.) Pca:rt_cse -the-y felt the DEC Wass. a hit too casaual abOUt i t e From the State ' S peri-:- pr--. ct. i ve it is gat minor impact . From the •Town ' s pr- rspeac: t. i ve it i. s not 'T4-IE_ E' C) AF* 1:) AGREED D TC.) ADJC:U14t' N 'T' H I S 11PEP 1041 NC 1` C1 HURE) DA Y •„ I'' EliRUA Y 2 . 1989 AT 81: c } c r P 0 M e FOR FURTHER R D 1: SCUSS ? 01\1 t-AND REVIEW OF `i` HE 1�11: IrI 1 NC3 PE R111 "I" RE:: C UE", ST OF COOP; 'T' l._ F- ND EFTA I INIG u Page - 15 SUED I V I. S I ON_.. _.. re9uest .._. of. _ _. R I CHARD .._ and ANN .... MAR I E _ VANOF.RDER . of __ 457 _. F' 1 easant _,_Va7._ 1 ey _ Rd . . ._ f or _. 1 a.nd .... l._oc. eted __ at 1. 96 ._.P .I easant . Va.1 1 ey Rd d p.. _ Town _ of ..... Groton ,_ _ ._ Tax. _. M ?P_ -_ No . _ 36 „_ 1 1 . 1 . C> nc_c •L••. heast:. corner of the intersection t• i on of _ Pl easant ..._ Vc:.k� �.� �' _�' ..... Rd . ..... and Tor. c� l': ..... R _d . : C . 1" O '•f' MAN " They are rec:{uesti. nn the division of one parcel. into 4 q 3 parcels plus, the lot the house is on . Be CAuiL:il._ ARA " Don ' t t:. hev r- egui. re za variance as to the lot lines `..' Ge WOO " We have been deal. i ng with t:thatri ght •t. al ono . They L? a e essentially right angles with the ro <-Lid They a. ren ' t inF:, ie shade or somet:. hi. ng l il< e that. ,, 64 l" ( Jl" C1AP•I " f.) :1 understand i t q if we see i t rind we don ' t. tltinl : it is i1••t accordance with the: Or- dinaance4 i. n ctur determi. naation the Board can make -the variance chtahae for that particular parcel of land . We are the -tot:. a=Al authority -for plat approval i. n -the Town of Groton . Nobody else is , Be CASOL_ AFAft That precludes the document saying that a variance is required for certain things '? G ••1" O .104MAl\d " In reaar- ds to sc..cbdi vi => i ons . 'The Appeals Board Can , t n l ve vEAr l anl�' es on st.tbd i vi s i ons . l htiat i s the Vdav I c..tnderst Find i. t . Be CASOL.. ARA " :I: happen -to men •h:. i. on 1:? ecasc_cse it was ment. ior•ted earlier and I dart ' t want to be unfair to one developer as opposed to anot. her ,. t; . '•I- l::1 'T1Y1A1\1a Mrs ,. VatnOr•• der is sc_ctmnit:. t. i. nn t:. hi. c. as <a ci- k at:. cht plan „ so she is look- ing -for c: omf-ri ant. - and cic_cestions from the Board . Gn 6adO (::U)"a Which is the parcel voc..c sold to Mr . Chase ? A . VanCJRDER' " 1=' arcel No . 3 located on 'Torok Rd . As f ar- aC:. I know hEe wi. :11 be 1:3uiIdina a h0LAse there . we don ' t want any trailers put i. n . G . 'TO 'TI"IAha " Are yoc.A I::S :L a n n i na t. o ktut i n %'/ c.n.tr deed therest_ r- iction ' of no mobile homes; or the dollar- value of the homes ? Yoc..tr intention may be good , but it ' s what is Put i. n writing t:. hat. counts . A . VanORDER n We are planning on putt:. i nrl into the deeds that no rrobi. l. e homes can be put on those pieces of property . D . That is knows i a-ass as deed restriction ,, Be CA `iOL... AI? A " Fiave:: rC t some developers also put as dollar Value rf.o? str i r.:: t i. can in -their deeds ? 11aae _ 16 ( i . l" ( 1l" I°1 A I�.1 Yes:- . F. I"a e v can r" e c t: r i, c t t h ca dollar v cal t .t Ens L� y r.t a. t:. i. n c7 a mi ni mt..tm va .al ue of •t. he houses b �ti l t. or, the proT.:aert %r . That al so precludes mobile homers . 11 C.:: ARI: : Y Di d yoL.t say vot..t were sel 1 i nq the h0tAF5e ':' A . VanOROEI=? e It was ss. ol d e but is bac li up for sale now because the buyer baatW I:: ed Out " M . CAREY o I s parcel no . 4 bei nca sold d with the 1"1oGP:SP. ':? A . VanORDE: Rn. Yes , that iE� the parcel the house is on . I) . CHATTE RT• ON . Wi •t. h 4 parcels it maI•:: es i t I es> s than a ma i or- subdivision so it is a minor subdivision '"' GN "I" Oloo11AN : Yes. it is aaa m :i. nor Sub di vi sin on . Are there a env further questions or comments ? BILL CASOLARA made the MOTION the Board approve the preliminary sketch plan presented by RIC !••-IA1=? L7 and ANN MARIE VanOF 'tnE R for- a Minor Subdivision located at. 1. 97 Pleasant Valley Rd Town of Groton and schedule a public hearin (vo; MONICA CAREY seconded the (notion , t10IonE: a ALL i. n favor MOTION CARRIED PubIic Hearina scheduled -for 1" hurs� day . a=" el:.ar- Ual"V 1. h . 19819 at AnUOc1 P . M . -to be held before the reat..tlar F=' lannine:a Borerd rneetino . DISCUSSION o f _ deaf t Zoning Ordinance . noon. :({ . CAS (::1LAF Ao Wher ea does t. iae ipr:aroval. of tine drz t. c:: ol::ay c::af t:. he Ordinance stand ? I left the draft copy and a copy caf the �.) ropo =.red f ina1. with (::,' carol back in L) er.:: c� rrabtir too o_ :i. ve to �+ DLot t. ca have :it cic.cpl. icateci for c: i. rct .cl. atican and to prepare a Fares:sse= satr. ti. (:an to the Town Board i. n l - ebrt..ta_ar• v . I) . C` HATTE:: R "1" Ol\d a l: think you will f i nd -the copies are i. n the Towne of of i. ce . I came down and to tal E:: to Teresa about that and cc:arnmc-anted that l: thoc.ecsht we were all going to genta copy cif what had been worked on and sI•ie said ' no ., we are waiting until. the whole t. hi nq is done ,, ' (a . !" (: I Ion I"IAI\! � I will check: at the office and oet: the dr- afts and have them duplicated caf •f . l~c . C: AGOLARA . I was hopi ran to (aca to the Town Board in ::Faarat.tar v or February to den. this thing doing, ( ' oL.tI d we disc i t. at:. t:. he Febre.� ary m . � E� t i ran rid pres:• ent it to the Town Board at -the f= ebrt.tara✓ 13 meeting ? Be CASOL. ARAe Once it is approved , -then it has to be run of' f in :i ts final form. l et. •ter qur.i :l i. t:. vw -these are the draft chancae <s and the draft:. final 'To meet_ the February agenda was have to put together- a prey.eent. otat. i on . there i. =s sa lot of work vet to he done . REVIEW ZONING ORDINANCE FEE SCHEDULEµ_ , „. Be CASOLARA ". :C t: hoi..ccaht was approved these in the Nc,•r✓ ember , :l9C-18 op meet i n a u C?, ,. 'T' CJ .1" MAI\3 Accordino to 'Teresa it was not formally done . Gn WOOD4 l: can explain that , they had before -them a memo, on MY .letterhead that. these are the proposed fee:.a Ihc;� fawn Attornev jai d these should came from the Fl anni. nca Board . not the Zoning Officer „ Gin C�: ASOI.... Af AL I remember we discussed that last time and an <.:�c_cr•• e I made the motion was accept them as presentees by the ZCarfa. ng Off :ic:: ers memcatl Coo **r* '1•' �IA1\1 C.:oc_cld we clarifv that lay formally a C. Ce::.� pt .J. r1ca the proposed fee schedule and presenting it for approval to tl••ie Town Board . . A LENGTHY d i SCUSSi on followed before -the= f of l owas. n (a motion was made ( a verbati. m record i. s available upon request ) VERL RANKIN made the MOTIC:) )\a the Planninca Board Opp present -the ' proposed revision of the Fee Schexdc_c :l e o Section 4r i '7 , to the Town Board for af_+ proval3 DAVID CHATTERTON , seconded thc.a motion : fee F•ar_ k-, edc..cle continued on ne % ft. pane ..I" OLAMI OF (673M] '1•• ON f ' L.. AI\IN I I\IG BOARD Jant_tary :lc? „ :l. ? 89 PROPOSED REVISION l'•O SECTION 407 - FEE SCHEDULE 1 ) Builrlina ( Zoning ) permit " Fused can conii. trt_tct: i. on vRalt..te 1... e <s s than $ I {"r „ {"r (.) 0 11') 0 10 , 0 (r1. to ;L0 {) CM) "rut,rr? ("lver $1 {:► { ? t"r {"r ("r f ee tAj i 1 b e :� I {:? {::} a {"} ("} f or f"? �� c:: l_? i , 1. (:} :? . { ) ( :} o f cans'> trc.tct i can ccist or portion t. 4"rc r E? 0f All Aori. c:. a :ltt_tr- al bt..i :ildi. ricrs 1. {.} 000 a ) Certificate of Occupancv ( i. sst.aeci upon completion r..? f work- under a bc.ti l di ncr permit ) No (::harae �, ) Certificate of Conformance or Flood :'Long . Ce r t:. i f i c'at. i on 25 , 00 4 ) Motor Vehicle Repair Shop annt_tal inspection and renewal its :1. 5d {" 0 5 ) Site Plan Review , Sect i. on 440 . 1. Short 10 0 (. Convent :i o n a 1 25 00 Special Fermi t aSec: ti. on 44 {:) „ 1. a Short $ trio ("} ("} Cor,; bini. nca District : Section 440 . 1b Short � 1. ("} i,rr,? Convc= r..ttion <al 25 ., C? O Pl anneal Unit Development ". Sect-- ion 44 ("? n 1 c. Short N A C: o Id, vent:. icat1t-1i 6 ) SUbclivi s ion HppIicationsno Ilia .or a Section 241 11; '5$ e 00 •+• {1 . 10 R {:> 0 1 of Ivli. nor . Sc? c: tion 231. $ �;' t" a00 Rt_tra10' sec: t :itor, ' 21 $ 10 „ 00 7 ) Variance $ 1. 5a00 B Additions=tl. Fees" a Section 440 . 40 i. f a pt..tb l i c: hearing is reclUl red the applicant shall pay the cost o •f in Section 44 () „ 90, appli. cai-- t shall be responsible -for direct c: o <.:ot. s incurred by the Town ie . publication of official notice . attorney g i ter iocirapl ter g etc " c: Applicant shall be responsi. bl e •for- the c: os •t of ktt_tb 1 1 c Bear i nts ( s ) a '::i fnav be ciek5? coed necessary by the Planning Boar ci c:i „ fiE ( ? Rn appl. ic:: ant shall be respc) nsi. ble for- co <_:• ts incurred by the Town where <a draft or final I.` r, vi. ronmental. Impact Statement becomes necessary , ice , publication of of f i. c :i. a l notice , reproductions and mai l. :i ricii_> to agencies. . :l. eraal and const..tlti. nca f eei=: . etr..: . VOTE. A LL io n f avor MOTION CARRIED PROPOSED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT on S . Main St. . . . Town of Groton , 001" OTMAN Do you want_ -to discuss the PUD vie were briefed on by Bc?h Walpole or leave that -for another meet i nq ? Cs . f.:,Af=3OLF1Ft (de :C don ' t secr how we can disc t..tsc it t. on :ioht: because oop we know so little about it . The only thi. na we can d :isct. ssz. is the 0 too traf •f i c i mpl i cat :i. c:3ns but we don ' t l:: now how mt_tct-1 otr- af f i c 4,+ e are t.: al. fcing about or what_ 4:: ind o •f traf •fi. c . VERL RANKIN made tf-ie mot. :i. on the meetino be Eld :at..trned to _ ..i ( 1= et:rr- t..tatry 1989 „ ,:3 : c:rti P . M . to ft..trt:. her discuss the Mi. nina F' er• m :i. t request. of Cor- t :land Pavirog.; CECIL TWIGG seconded the motion . all were i. n favor , MOTION CARRIED . ? tie ne :: •t. reclul. ar meeting of the Planning Boarcl will be I...; el d ThUrsdav , Febrt..tary 1. 6,, 19e9 after a public hearing schedt_tl. ed for Thursc:la%Y, F ehruar �✓ 16., 1989 at:. Bn w) c:? p . m . Fv:e ec-: tful. 1. sst_thmi, tt:. e .. , �� Mar gar A . Palmer e �' . I - ll U