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BOARD
�':') eotember 1. 5 . 1988g ( ln. C .) Pa Ma
BOARD PLIDt_ I C PRESENT
* Ge� oroe 'Tot: maan Cha :i. rm <an Roxe:ane Newman . PO l� rc . Gre-at. ora
'X- C: eC. J. :l. Twi. aCa William Wilson . 581 Salt Rd .
aJe:� rl. Rank- in l._ auraa Piddocl:: . RD Groton
*Monica Carev John Pi. ddock: . RD 2 . Groton
* Bi I I Ca = ol aar <a Anthonv t: starita . Champlin Rd .
Geraldine Astarita . Champlin
# Gary Wood . Zoning Officer ,loan Packard . 745 Cortland Rd .
LeI and Cor- ne:? .l. i t..tr; . l`I1 tfdv Supt. Lvl e p; avmcanci . 9c'a Old Stacie Rd
Mr . & Mrs . l" ennev . Boessard Rd .
Donald Bancroft . Salt Rd .
Dor• ita Bancroft . Salt. Rd .
( -* present )
GEORGE TOTMAN . Chai rman . opened the Pl anni nee 1-.ioaard
rneetinn at. 8 : 15 p . cn . M :int..tte•s of the AUOust 1. 8 . 1988 meeting were
approved as presented anon motion of VERL RANk : IN and seconcl of CECIL
7WIGG .
SITE . . PLAN REVIEW
.._ FOR
._ ..._ HOMESTEAD _ RESTAURANT / BAR AT 750 CORTLAND RD .
proposed. by _PATRICIA ALLINGTON
G . TOTMAN : 'This r roposaal was presented -to t..ts at -the AU0Ltst. meeti no
and we el e= c::: ted that n :i. oI•-at to hold a pUbl i c hearing to get pt..tb1 i c: i. npt_at
on it , . which vie did on September 1 . 1. 988 . From that a lot of thot. ahts
were puts forward . It was explained that night what. -. he Plannino Board
can do and cannot. do .
NefC:ar• e we proceed , there are some people here for the
meet ini:a . We had a public hes` arinC.3 for everybody -to speak out pro ,and
C:: or7 . Obvi ous sl. v there is a reason people are here other than for the
normaa1 meet i. no Does anvboC:ly here have somethina to sav that wasn ' t
said the other ni nht or are volt here to i t..tst see what the Board does ?
L . PIDDOCK. It ' s all pretty much been said . The reason I ' m here is
ber_ at..tse what was said the other- ni ol•it and -to more or less hear how vot.t
make your decision tonight and how you feel about it .
G . TOTMAN : Ar- e -. here anv other comments ? Everybodv else is he-ire
f or -the same reason -then . right ? ( af f i rrnaat:: :i ve response from public )
Does the Board have aanv different thounl-ats or-
suggestions as to conditions ot. l •aer -than what we t:: alk:: ed about before as
to Val-1aat rules and r e q u I at. :i on thev would I J. ke set on thi. s ? 11Je
di. sr_. usSed t. hi s=•• at: the AUOUSt meeti na wi th -the Al I i noton ' s and
st..tcar_te-.:ssted t:. h•tev not have. an entrance and e : c i t. onto Rt 222 and t. hev
charmed t. hiei r pl ans to have a I the -traffic i. n and out of the
estah:al i shment + r• om the Salt Rd . side .
Pacie - 1.
]: wc)u1 (.1 i ust like to reiterate wt•iat:. I said at the
public hearina . i. n the interim the Town Attornev has rendered a
decisian and this shoc.tld make it more clear . 'The Planning Board has
to follow the Ordinance as it is written and as the Ordinance is
writ. ten in •that par• tiC.:: u :lar zone that this regt_iest fal :l. s in :is
ial 1. owab1 e by a Site - Plan Revi ew . A Site -Plan Review means i t i s
all (:-)t,4) abI e :i. n that area with i certain considerations . conditions. and
such . The main ClUesti. on on this partir_ tAlar request is alcohol.
Unfortunately . to most people ' s disappointment vie . the PlanninCt Board
hcAve no control over alcohol . They could have ; ust appl. i ed for• a
restaurant arid notmentioned thev i Ilan to serve a :l c o h o I . bt_tt. at:. •t:. he
same time applied to the Alcohol Beverage Control Board for a l i gt_tor
1. i r.. ense and the on v person „ accorc:li. nq to -the reciL.ti rements for
procuring a license . that then would have had to no •ti. fv was a
rera :i. t e r e d 1. et. ter• to the 'Town Cl er I•: . Thev chose riot to do it tl...: at
way . They chose 'to be upfront and state they planned to apply •for• a
liquor license .
E . vel'- vb (a (:Iv . unless thev have been involved in somet. hi neat
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1 i lee that . do not i..tnder- stand 1ic3a# VOt .i r� et a :l i gt..( car 1. i r_ crn �� � „ AsI
believe I mentioned at the p (..tt) l i c hear :i. nq ,, there has been is 'liquor
1. i r_• ense cnrant. ed in the McLean area wi t h i n the 1 ast 3 monthis and I
doc.tbt:. that many people in the (:: ommt..tni tv know abot..tt it t..tnl ess thev are
Vol unteer f i. r (_iinan . The 1elcL_ ean Fire Department has a liquor license
now . I\Jobodv in Town knew about it becat..tse thev applied for it . went
through the wheels of iustice in Al. banv and Buffalo and it came back:
tal:ipr'• oved . I wanted to mention that. beCa (. SEs we cot..t :l. dn ' t stop it if we
wanted to .
'There is a c l ai.tse in the ADC Board that if somebcidv
knows that a liquor license i. s being applied for and thev do want a
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pt..tb l :i c: hear i nc-i on :i. •t a the ABC Board will. hold a pt..tb l i c hearing if theyget, enough r• equeS •tS . l=( t-t •t that doesn ' t metan thev will -turn down the
application or stop it because of that " bc.tt they wiII take into
consideration the things that were said . In this particular case the
State Depart:. memnt. of Transportation hias s•taited that road „ in t1•'iei. r
cona• i. deratior•i . :is not one of the intersections that they consider one
of -the most rlanaercit_is intersections ,
By the wav the Ordinance i =, written . when it caciee: to a
Site -- Plan Revi. ew voc.( are deter- mi ni. na how it is aoi. na to be allowed .
what criteria are you noi. nq to set c.tl:i -that they have to follow .
Is -there anv fc.trt: her comment on this propo !5al ^ Garv �
from your ex i..ier i encery have you seer- Anvt. hi nq different than the !r# iav I
explained it ?
G . WOOL : No . I have no •thi. na fc.ir- ther to add "
C . TWIGGa I can ' t: see anvthirici further t. o add than w1-ia •t hias
ial. reach✓ been disccsssed .
M . CAREY : I aaree with Cecil .
V . RANK IN : I have not. l'•i :i n (:i to acid .
Bu CASOLARA : I have not. hiina more to add *
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VERL RANKIN mantle the MOTION the Planning Board approve
the Site -- Plan Review presenter* by PATRICIA AL. L. INGTON for *the I-iomesteac:i
Restat.arant. / Bar at 750 Cortland Rd . . Town ofL� r otr.., n , Tax Map NO . 2c � - 1 -
s wi -. h •l:: he f of l owi no c: ond :i_ •t- i
in No access or eor- ess -to Rt .:722"
2x No offensive liahtino -that wc.: ulc:l distract
mot or i !st s p
30 Signs •t of comply with the Zoning Code .
4p Refuse is to be boept in closed containers .
t{ p Designated park: :i. ng to be complied with .
6o All. State building codes are to be complied wi. •thp
7 . Landscapi ng and ot_ttSi de plans as submitted are to
be complied with .
Hp Noise level is to be boept to a mi n i. mt..tm so as not:
to disturb the ad i o :i. nit no neighbors ,
CECIL TWIGG seconded the motion
No ft..tr- ther discussion
VOTED ALL :in favor
MOTION CARRIED
( Go 'Totrrian reviewed the motion for the public present )
J . PACKARD : What is the minimum for the noise level ?
Go TOTMAN : Suppose yot_t took vc.% utr fermi. l v out 4: or dinner , you
wot..tl d n ' -t want the mt_tsi. r_ so :t ot..td that- the ne- i clhbor• s Cot..tl d hear i t p We
were concerned more with after the people left that the mt .tsi C p if anv ,
i => n ' t -turned Up . The :i. r Ii 1. a n s do not call for having a i t..tk: ebox or
bands . It its not, bin enouoh for bands .
Do BANCROFT : *They are on :l. v Using part.: of i. t for• the rest at_trant p
wha •t. ' s to !s <-av then wc- nr t taboe •thie lumber and Stuff ot_tt of the bark:
room and Ltse that .
DORITA BANCROFT : There is room for ^c � i. n the bar . She says stye iss
on1 v havi na 5 Stools but there is f°• oom for more .
DONALD BANCROFT : T' hev may only v own i. t for a year p Somebody el. �4
mi caht own it -them and pt..tt mt.. si r_ i n p
G . TOTMAN : I t_tnderstane::l what you ar• e savi na p bt_tt. unf ortunatel v -the
Ordinance has been written before -this . What we are tr- vi. no to do
DONALD BANCROFT , Yot..t teach the kids to say no to things and then
vot..t pt .tt.: something l i b:: e that i no It work :* acaai. pots -. each other . Just
ber_ at .tse it isn ' t considered a bad corner , that i. s beside the point
you ' re putt. :i ng i n somethi nc;: that is Causi nca the problem vot_t are trv :i t� c_l
to correct . That doesn ' t have to be a bt..tsv corner- there , vot..t have theSaI t Rd . and OI. d Stage Rd . that isn ' t. a bt_tsv c�' orner bt..tt there was an
accident there . Bt_tt that don ' t mean a thincip does it ?
G . TOTMAN : It means something because vie lost: two members of oUr
community , b !_! t: it wasn ' t because they oat booze on that:. corner . As 1'.
understand it the source o -f the baci e in that accident wasn ' t even i. n
t• h i s Town . l he poi. n k I was rr, aE i. ng ear ,1. i er . s !_� pposi ng i t. w�as:i ; ►_! s k. a
plain coffee =.shop and it had been there for- vears and they decided to
ch ,.�anae and have boo .. e there . 1" hey would not. have to came to us and
asie that question . we have no control over the boo : e .
DONALD BANCROFT , You have no means:, to turn them down ?
G . TOTMAN : Not. according -to anvthinca that 1: understand . I+ it is
in the Ord i. nance and i. t i. s allowed with a '.:% i to - Plan Review then the
Site --Plan Review committee is Just what it. says , a review committee .
D . CASOLARA : I think: the problem , for better- or worse here , is that
our powers are f ai rl v limited i. n this i nstanc: e . Ancl whether- I
personal Iv want to see this or not . does not change what is written in
-the I aw . Wk.-.a have tried to reca !_! 1 ate as much as possible those things
that we c: oc.! 1 d rec,3i.! 1. ate by speci fvi. no those thi ncas in the proposal. .
That: may not be a (::)(:) d enoi_! oh for ✓ oU but " !_! n •fortu Gately . that is:, the
best vie can do at this time . There does seem to be some alternatives .
ass taeor• ge mentioned . c: onc::: ernino reguestino a l-; erar- :ina with the ABC
Board .
J . FIDDOCK4. How will. "✓ ou deter- mane the l. OUdness of noise . by
dec :i. bel . . . . . . . i f Such an occurrence does happen '?
G . TOTMAN l : If we c.iot too many complaints , I suppose . because it is
a permit we area granting for -them to do that under certain conditions „
age could withdraw the permit ,
Bo CASOLARA : A minimum requirement can work- in vot..! r favor as well as
aoai n st vot_! r favor .
G . TOTMAN : The only recourse we would have would be to pul 1. the
permit i. f thev vi of at. ed anv of the conditions .
Bo CASOLARAa Minim c.! m is a very =_ Ubiective word , but it can work: as
mi_ Ch frar voU as against vrau .
DONALD PANCROFT : Is there anv wav they can Stop -the farming in t:. R-sat
area '?
G . TOTMAN : NON 'There have been cases taken to Court where the
f armer• has .lost onl v because he perpetuated his own carol:? .l. em when he
sold off lots in strips and then continued to farm i. n bark crf
residences . But when voc.t move next door to a f ,:arm . unless that farmer
is doing Something wav out of the ordi narv , you don ' t. have ma..! ch chance
cai: c: c::arrirtiIai. n :ing about. it .
DONALD BANCROFT , I still don ' t understand where the boundaries •for
the:' commercial zone stops. an Rt ..' *`'
G . TOTMAN : That is in a Rural Agricultural Zone . not Commercial .
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DONALD BANCROFT , Where does the commercial. stop then ^
G . TOTMAN : Lick Stop
DONALD BANCROFT . When was that set. t..tp?
G . TOTMAN : I t. hi me it was i. n :l. 78 . but I am not. st..tre .
DONALD BANCROFT . We have a map that shows it is zained C (::) mmercir_i1 .
( Ger_ar• ge Totman reviewed with the members of the public
present the process of the zoning ordinance and
appl. vi t , g for permits . etc . )
OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD "
G . TOTMAN : You have the minutes of the public hearing and the •Town
Board meet na concerning the discussion we had last month on the
Mobile Home Ordinance and the required 2f:) '0 " frontage per dwelling
un .i. t .
We also talked about reiUvenatino Our committee
met. � ti nc7s on revamping the Ordinance . Bill C. asol. ar• a and Cec: i 1 "f' wi. clg
have val t..cnteered to start it off . Cecil has volunteered to ao to the
first: two meetings . if he wants to continue fine , but at least he has
come to two and understands what. is being done . We " 11 pick: up one
more member at the third meeting and continue can . We are going to try
to' bertin the committee meetings ThUr !-*clay , September :'' 2 , " 1988 at my
residence tTotman ? .
B : CASOLARAd I want to 1:: nowe wh-sat. the Status is of the letter-- to the
person who is suppose to be nevi si nc.:t the Ordinance '? She says She has
not received authorization from the Board to begin the work. .
G`. TOTMAN : :I: t. hoc.t (3ht I Ser) t: i. t .
Boo CASOLARA : Then I gave you a sec ond cane .
G • TOTMAN : I. ff orc7c:o •k•. that. one . I mailed -the first. one out ., I know
T did . and -the second one I Just found in my papers . It will be
mailed Friday , 9 / :1. 6 / 88 .
In •1:•. he fall of every vF' ar a clown in the C. at. sk: i :l '1 s . there
is a seminar on Pl ann i nq and Zoning . L_. yl. e Raymond i. s going net to be one
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the c- peal< ersYs down there this year . I
L . RAYMOND : I won ' t be talking about planning and zoning though . �
The Water- Resource Institute at. C' ornel. l was invited to come dawn and
spend Some time talking about water problems thr0UC1hoc.tt the State . I
s G . TOTMAN : I thOUght .1 wot_tld mention that . I am planning on
attending the ('' onference .
The meet. i. na of the committee for r.. et✓ i tr• i. on of -the Zoni no
Ordinance will beni. n nest ThUrsday . Before we get through we I• lope
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everybody C.3e 't: S involved in the revision . When we open t..tp the pl. {�nni nn
session we will review all the stuff we have approved t..tp to that point
and then proceed from there .
Gary , do you have anything for the Board ?
G .; WOOD : Ilo „ I dc, n ' t .
VERL RANKIN made the 1"lotion the Plannino board meeting
be ad i ourned q HILL CASOLARA seconded the mot i. on "9 ALL in f avor a MOTION
CARRIED .
The next Reot_tl ar" Meet. i. nn of the Town raf Groton Pl anni na
Beard will be held 'T' ht..trsday4 October 20 . 1. 988 at 8 " 00 p . m .
Respect. + ul l y SUbmi tted .
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