HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-10-2023TOWN OF GROTON – MINUTES OF TOWN BOARD MEETING
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2023, AT 7:30 PM
Town Officers Present: Town Officers Absent: Also Present:
Donald F. Scheffler, Supervisor W. Rick Fritz, Code Official Eric Deforrest, Groton Fire Chief
Crystal Young, Councilperson Richard Gamel, Councilperson Dale Slocum, Highway Dept.
Sheldon C. Clark, Councilperson Dan Carey, AG Committee
Brian Klumpp, Councilperson
Robin Cargian, Town Clerk
Ellard Keister, Highway Supt
Mack Rankin, Dept. Highway
Julie Graham, Bookkeeper
Francis Casullo, Attorney
The meeting was called into session with the Pledge of Allegiance at 7:30 PM.
MOVED by Councilperson Klumpp, seconded by Councilperson Young to approve the September 12,
2023, Town Board Meeting minutes.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Motion Passed
MOVED by Councilperson Klumpp, seconded by Councilperson Young to approve the September 26,
2023, Town Board Meeting minutes.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Motion Passed
RESOLUTION #23-090‐ APPROVE PAYMENT OF INVOICES
MOVED by Supervisor Scheffler, seconded by Councilperson Young,
WHEREAS, vouchers for Abstract #10 for the Year 2023, numbered 400-431 were reviewed and
and audited by the Town Board, be it
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby approves said vouchers which will make the accounts in
the Total amounts as follows:
A GENERAL FUND 9,354.54
B GENERAL FUND PART TOWN 32,836.45
DA HIGHWAY FUND 2,292.08
DB HIGHWAY FUND PART TOWN 212,134.14
SL2- PERUVILLE LIGHTING DISTRICT 91.90
SLl- MCLEAN LIGHTING DISTRICT 179.81
Total $256,888.92
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Resolution Passed
Nays -
Town Board Draft Minutes Page 2 October 10, 2023
Monthly Reports
Julie Graham, Bookkeeper – You have my report which there are Budget Adjustments.
RESOLUTION #23-91- -APPROVE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS
MOVED by Councilperson Young seconded by Councilperson Clark to approve the Budget
Adjustments
A1990.4 Contingency $30.00
To: A1920.4 Municipal Association dues $30.00
DA1990.4 Contingency $540.00
To DA5120.41 Culverts $ 540.00
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Resolution Passed
Nays -
W. Rick Fritz, Code/Fire Enforcement Officer submitted the following report.
Building Permits Issued:7
Permits Completed: 0 Fire Safety Inspection 0 Training: 6
Permits Renewed:0 Building Inspections: 35 Complaints:2
Zoning Permits:0 Certificates of Occupancy/Completion:0 Violation Notices:0
Site Plan Reviews:1 Subdivisions:1
Life Safety Inspections September 2023
Inspected - 0 Completed - 0 Total 2023 Inspected -14 Total 2023 Completed - 14
Town Clerk, Robin Cargian: There was a thought brought up at the last meeting, that it would be
nice if there was a way to get information out to the public regarding reasonings behind a budget
increase or going over the tax cap. In 2007 a local law was passed to allow the board to include items
in the tax bills such as information relating to changes in Town government, information relating to the
administration of government operations, or such information determined by the Town Board to be
worthwhile to town residents. So, yes, there is a way to provide that information by a resolution.
Attorney for the Town, Fran Casullo: Nothing to report.
Recreation Coordinator, Councilperson Young: Becky and the committee have been busy. There
will be Yoga starting back up. She is also initiating a new Pound and Kickboxing class on Monday and
Thursday nights, subject to building use approval. She is also starting Cayuga Climbs, which is rock
climbing-type stuff. She also worked with the library to host a Nerf War, which was running around
the library with Nerf guns open to all ages. I am sure that was a lot of fun. She is also bringing back the
adult Co-rec basketball in October. This year's Trick or Treating will be on Main St. from 4-5 PM, and
Trunk or Treat will be from 5-7 PM at Conger Blvd. Lots of winter planning has commenced. Concert
series bands have been booked with the locations for that being discussed. Cabin Fever has been
scheduled for February and we are getting a new Recreation Desk program to make it easier for people
to register for programs. Things are going well.
Eric Deforrest, Groton Fire Chief: We are on average for the year 282 calls per quarter, 847 calls for
the year; 686 ambulance, and 164 Fire. We are pretty much on track for a normal year. We are still
running mutual aid (EMS) to Cortland and Dryden, as other agencies are still battling staffing
shortages. We have been trying to get more than one crew on our ambulance to help cover some of that
shortage as we have people available. It has been challenging on our part. We are still interviewing
part-time people. For whatever reason we are getting a lot of traction from part-timers wanting to work
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in Groton. One of the initiatives I took on as chief was to eliminate overtime from our books as
paramedics cost more money obviously, so I am trying to get as many part-time staff as possible. We
are still short of at least two members from where we need to be, to eliminate about 30 hours a week in
overtime. We are not where we need to be but working towards this. It can be a painful process to
interview as some workout and some don’t.
I am sure everyone has seen the new building going up a lot faster than we thought it would. We are
starting to go through items at the station to decide what goes to the new building and what needs to be
disposed of.
EMS Billing is almost fully implemented at this point. We have our Medicaid number and are waiting
for the Medicare number. We are actively billing. We did not anticipate the calls questioning the bill
for services rendered or the price. Multi-Med, the company that is doing our billing for us, is now
assisting with those calls based on our documentation. So far, we have had no complaints, unless you
had anything here. I know the Village Office has not taken any. I think the transition from this being
included in the tax bills to billing has gone much smoother than we anticipated. We had some
pushback from older generations who have lived here their whole life.
As we are known for our Cider and Doughnuts during the Trick or Treat event, will be changing to
providing only cider and doughnuts to give the kids something else in their stomachs besides
chocolate.
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – We put in a couple of hundred feet of pipe while we had
a machine rented. We will start our shoulder work tomorrow and finish up hot patching. Lots of work
to be done before fall. We did lose our part-time guy, who chose to go a different path so we are back
to square zero. We will go with that as it comes. Looking at the tentative budget the DA5142.4 account
needs to be set where it was previously, and move the $240,000 into equipment DA5130.2. I have
discussed this with Julie and it won’t change the bottom line. No updates on the trucks that have been
ordered.
I sat through a Zoom meeting on road monitoring camera systems. Right to your phone, they provide a
live visual stream with current weather and road temperatures operating off a long-life solar battery.
How we do this now is Mack and I will drive to different locations and check the temperatures. We
know in central New York we can get these small storms that come through that hit one part of town
and leave another dry. We don’t know until we put miles on and check. These cameras could serve us
by giving us that instant information, which would allow us to roll out a driver for road treatment much
sooner than if we were to physically drive there. This would save approximately 40 to 50 minutes.
They are offering a one-year lease, they would service the entire thing such as software updates. I
would like to try this in two different spots, we can also move them around as we like.
Another huge advantage is the cone that shoots down to the road and takes a temperature every 15
seconds. By having those road temperatures, we can change application amounts of salt and sand
ahead of time saving trips and fuel. The baseline price is $3000 per camera that I install, and they set
up the software. They contract with three different cell phone towers to send the data so we would be
in good shape to move them around. I would like to try two cameras. We have this in the budget this
year and have no obligation next year, we can just pack them up and send them back. I have two spots
in mind, Sovocool Hill and Salt Rd., as it is a good indication of high snow and drift spots.
Councilperson Klumpp – Do you have any idea how much time you would save and the product?
You stated you would be able to adjust your settings.
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Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – It’s hard to say as it would be seasonal. I spend a couple
of hours driving around, Mack would do the same. It could be as much as 8 to 10 hours on a snowy
week with the wind. I do think it will put our service out there much faster for these areas. Ideally, we
would like 8 cameras, but we don’t have the financial support for that available.
Councilperson Young – Is anyone else using these, can you find out if they think it is worth it?
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent- As far as I know, no one else is using these. We have a
highway superintendent’s meeting, and I could ask them.
Councilperson Clark – I like the idea.
Councilperson Klumpp – I am comfortable spending the money on it. You are good about it, get an
honest opinion on it to make sure it is worth it. Not just saving the hourly people, but if you are getting
there quicker and you have the right mixture because you know the road temperatures. I think it makes
sense.
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – I will also add, there are unlimited users to this site.
Mack was saying if he is on Pleasant Valley, he can easily check and head back to Sovocool Hill
before coming in. That is a good 40 minutes to an hour.
Councilperson Klumpp – So that will save you fuel costs knowing if you need to go or don’t go.
Supervisor Scheffler – I think it would be worth a shot to try it for a year. It was new to you this
morning. Maybe it would be worth finding out from other highway departments, maybe everyone
would say it is a waste of time.
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – I haven’t heard of anybody yet, they are in New York
State and 31 other States total. I didn’t call anyone else, I did check with other camera systems.
RESOLUTION #23-092‐ AUTHORIZE THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT THE OPTION
TO PURCHASE A ONE-YEAR LEASE OF TWO HIGHWAY LIVE STREAM CAMERAS
RESOLUTION BY Councilperson Klumpp, second by Supervisor Scheffler to authorize the Highway
Superintendent the option to lease two highway monitoring camera systems for $6,000.00.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Resolution Passed
Nays -
Supervisor Scheffler, CS Energy – We have had limited contact with CS Energy over the last month.
They have been asked for months, for reports and clarifications. Substantive answers have been slow
and coming. Late today I received a mountain of information, with the specifics we would need to
know or like to know, were redacted. Their planned date to file with the State of New York keeps
changing. That is all we know about what is going on.
Local Law 3 of 2023
RESOLUTION #23‐093 –PROPOSE LOCAL LAW#3 OF 2023, A LAW TO OVERRIDE THE
TAX LEVY LIMIT FOR BOARD REVIEW
Town Board Draft Minutes Page 5 October 10, 2023
MOTION BY Supervisor Scheffler, seconded by Councilperson Klumpp to propose Local Law #3
as follows:
A Local Law Overriding the Tax Levy Limit
Established in the New York General Municipal Law §3-c in and for the Town of Groton
Be it enacted by the Town of Groton Town Board, as follows:
SECTION 1. LEGISLATIVE INTENT
It is the intent of this local law to override the limit on the amount of real property taxes that may be
levied by the Town of Groton, County of Tompkins pursuant to New York General Municipal Law §3-
c, and to allow the Town of Groton to adopt a Town budget for (a) Town purposes and (b) any other
special or improvement district governed by the Town Board for the Fiscal Year 2024, that requires a
real property tax levy in excess of the "tax levy limit” as defined by the General Municipal Law §3-c.
SECTION 2. AUTHORITY
This local law is adopted pursuant to Subdivision 5 of the New York General Municipal Law, §3-c,
which expressly authorizes the Town Board to override the tax levy limit by the adoption of a local law
approved by a vote of sixty percent (60%) of the Town Board
SECTION 3. TAX LEVY LIMIT OVERRIDE
The Town Board of the Town of Groton, County of Tompkins, is hereby authorized to adopt a budget
for the Fiscal Year 2024 that requires a real property tax levy in excess of the limit specified in the
New York General Municipal Law §3-c.
SECTION 4. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, article or part of this local law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, such judgment shall not affect, impair, or invalidate the
remainder thereof, but shall be confined in its operations to the clause, sentence, paragraph, section,
article, or part thereof directly involved in the controversy in which such judgment shall have been
rendered.
SECTION 5. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Resolution Passed
Nays -
Executive Session at 8:05 PM
MOVED by Supervisor Scheffler, seconded by Councilperson Young to enter into an executive
session to discuss the pay for a particular person with the Attorney and Bookkeeper present.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Motion Passed
Nays -
MOVED by Supervisor Scheffler, seconded by Councilperson Young to return to regular session at
8:25 PM with no decisions being made.
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Motion Passed
Nays -
Tentative Budget 2024
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Councilperson Young – Although generous I am looking at the increases should be 3% across the
board for salaried and appointed officers and employees. It’s nice to want to give them 5% and it is
generous to give them 5% for the Supervisor, Justices and Council and superintendent and Town Clerk
$5000.00 raises but people that were mentioned, but the standard cost of living increases are right now
2.9 to 3% and I think that should be the standard we should have as well. In addition to that, I don’t
believe it should be 3% across the board other than the highway.
Supervisor Scheffler – What are you suggesting for the highway?
Councilperson Young -I think they gave us good information at the last meeting and the average in
NY State for that particular type of work is right around what they stated in the hourly rates, so I
propose we get them to the $22.50 hourly rate, which would be a $3.00 increase.
Councilperson
Klumpp- Right now this
budget is worked at a
$2.00 increase which we
would need to stick to to
stay under the 2% cap.
Councilperson Young-
Unless it changes by
taking the other salaries
down to 3% instead of
5% and certain dollar
amounts. I was also
wondering about it, I
don’t know if it will
make a difference as
salaries and operating
are probably different. I
was also wondering
about bridges, you have
$13,000 worth of
planning on a bridge.
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – Are you looking at Culverts? You mean, Is that for
personal services? That is where we take the hourly money out for personal services when working on
bridges and culverts.
Julie Graham, Bookkeeper – And that will have to increase if you are looking at raising the highway
over the two dollars an hour that is already in there.
Councilperson Klumpp-I feel we should stick with the $2.00 raise that is already in there so we don’t
go over the tax cap.
Highway Departments Starting Hourly Rate Difference
Groton $19.50 x
NYS DOT $22.38 $2.88
Danby $22.50 $3.00
Genoa $22.50 $3.00
Venice $22.50 $3.00
Summerhill $22.50 $3.00
Cortland C.O Highway $23.06 $3.56
Cayuga C.O Highway $23.13 $3.63
Tompkins C.O Highway $23.32 $3.82
Enfield $24.00 $4.50
Caroline $24.05 $4.55
Locke $24.50 $5.00
Lansing $25.30 $5.80
Moravia $25.48 $5.98
Ulysses $26.25 $6.75
Dryden $26.75 $7.25
Ithaca $27.31 $7.81
Newfield $27.62 $8.12
Average $24.04
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Councilperson Young-When you got this information of what other towns hourly rates were, I am
under the impression that they do not get overtime?
Mack Rankin, Dept. Highway – That is incorrect. The first column is the starting wage. Like here,
there is also a probation period, when after 3 or 6 months you get an incentive, and you often move up.
All of those are hourly jobs, that pay overtime just like we do here if it is necessary. Some of those
departments do more DPW services such as water and sewer. They would get more overtime during t
emergency service situations such as water breaks. Those numbers all came from department heads for
2023. I couldn’t get 2024 numbers as they are also early in their budgets but are all looking at an active
$1.00 to $2.00 an hour increases to start January 1st.
Supervisor Scheffler – Bear in mind, jumping to $3.00 will probably put us over the tax cap. I don’t
know how this will really turn out by lowering the other ones to 3.5% without running the numbers.
Councilperson Klumpp- I would like to stick with the $2.00 with the understanding that yes, we are
below but we can’t do it all in one year. It didn’t take one year to get behind. We can’t correct it in one
year.
Councilperson Young- Unless we go over the tax cap.
Mack Rankin, Dept. Highway – I think one thing to point out too, is that $3.50 was about as
reasonable of a figure to attempt to not correct it in one year. It will get us closer to having a fighting
chance to compete with some of these other highway departments. We are still multiple dollars behind
even at the original $3.50 we talked about. For the last four years I have heard we can’t do it all in one
year, we can’t do it right now. I ask what is the tentative plan for change? When do we raise taxes to
get to where we need to be. We are running this highway department on the same tax base we did
years ago but everything has gone up two to three times the price. It is a battle that we fight every
single day.
Councilperson Young – I hate to say it but I think it is true. We might have to go over the tax cap one
year to get us to where we need to be now, to get us under the tax cap in future years.
Supervisor Scheffler – I would like to stay under the tax cap. The fire department is under it, Mclean
Fire Department is under it. We are all trying. You can cut anyplace you want as far as that goes. You
can cut recreation.
Councilperson Young – If we did do the increase, whatever we do with that overtime will cause even
more….
Julie Graham, Bookkeeper – I did a calculation. Going from the $2.00 to the $3.50 is going to cost
the town about $40,000 more. This would include overtime, insurance differences, retirement, social
security. This would be an additional $40,000 to the tax base.
Mack Rankin, Dept. Highway- That is why I bring up the point and ask how much longer can we
keep going and operating with inflation the way that is and everything going up? As we talked about
earlier we can’t even keep a part time guy. He can make almost as much at Target as he does here with
zero responsibility. He went back to working with the Sheriffs department but with the price that we
are paying, I don’t know how to explain it to someone to stay. He has two options, he can stay here and
head out in the worst possible conditions ever, in a clapped-out piece of crap plow truck that we have
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got over there from 2005 and hope for the best or he can go make almost double what we are paying
and sit in a heated office next to the airport. That’s why we lost him. He lost the idea and the desire
that he thought he would have here. That is what I brought up at the last meeting. The younger age
group that we have, there is nothing desirable about it, even if the wage is there to even draw their
attention.
Supervisor Scheffler – The highway agreement was made a few years ago and nobody saw this 10%
coming. What was in that, we all agreed, was a good raise. If it drops 20% next year, are we going to
have to cut people?
Mack Rankin, Dept. Highway – I don’t see how that is going to happen, but I suppose anything is
possible. I think if something extreme happens like that, it will be a disaster across the board
everywhere and we will have to deal with that as it comes. It is not just us, this is every business, but
something has got to happen before we start losing people.
Supervisor Scheffler – This is a disaster across the board for everybody.
Ellard Keister, Highway Superintendent – We have talked about this over the last three years,
myself and the board, I have tried to cheat at every angle we can and find a cheaper way to do
everything we do over there. Honestly, the way I have done that with the budget with the paving, plow
equipment and different things is really the only reason why we can still run on that budget. I didn’t
make a bunch of changes to that this year because logically, if we did things right now the way we did
things 6 years ago, this budget would not put us afloat. This budget would be defunct by September or
October without finding different avenues as a group to operate under this budget. I do take some pride
at finding different ways at saving money longevity wise with pavement and plow equipment which
are the bigger bills. In all rights I should have jumped a lot of these accounts up but we are making it
work for that tax purpose. We are cutting as much as we can.
Supervisor Scheffler – To come up with the tentative budget as proposed, we are using an additional
$40,000 of unexpended fund balance. And we are using an additional $65,000 from sales tax and are
hoping it stays up.
RESOLUTION #23‐094 –SET A SPECIAL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE
PRELIMINARY BUDGET, FIRE AND AMBULANCE CONTRACTS AND LOCAL LAW #3
OF 2023
MOTION BY Supervisor Scheffler, seconded by Councilperson Clark to set a Public Hearing and
Special Meeting for the Preliminary Budget, Fire and Ambulance Contracts and Local Law #3 for
November 2, 2023 at 7:30PM
Ayes – Clark, Young, Klumpp, Scheffler Resolution Passed
There being no further business, Councilperson Young moved to adjourn, seconded by Councilperson
Clark, at 9:30 p.m. Unanimous.
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Robin Cargian, RMC
Town Clerk/Tax Collector