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TOWN OF GROTON
PLANNING BOARD
Tuesday , August 18 , 1987 , 8 : 00 p . m .
BOARD ( *present ) PUBLIC present
*George Totman , Chairman Donald Scheffler , Sovocool Hill Rd .
Mike Post , Vice - Chairman Robert Walpole , Church St .
Nancy Ostrander , Cor . Secretary Roger Gleason , Old Stage Rd .
*Cecil Twigg
*Monica Carey
Verl Rankin
*Bill Casolara
G . TOTMAN , Chairman opened the meeting at 8 : 15 p . m . when a quorum was
reached . C . TWIGG made the motion the July , 1987 minutes be approved as
presented ; B . CASOLARA seconded the motion ; and the MOTION CARRIED .
TOTMANs Philip Munson was scheduled first on the agenda but he is not
here so we will move on to the second item .
Last Friday night I talked to a fellow who wanted to build a
30 x 50 foot barn , which is not our problem , but in that barn
he wanted to establish an auto repair shop .
SITE-PLAN REVIEW for Auto Repair Shop proposed by Donald Scheffler , 1364 Sovocool
Hill Rd . , Town of Groton . Tax Map No . 24- 1 - 15 .
TOTMAN : Mr . Scheffler knows he did not get it in within the ten days
prior to the meeting and he called me to see what the particulars
are he has to follow . I explained to him if he wanted to come to
tonight ' s meeting to show the Board what he proposes , the Board
would decide how to handle it .
CASOLARA : What is the ten days in relation to ?
TOTMAN : In relation to the business of the Board meeting .
CASOLARAs Just for our purposes ?
TOTMAN : Yes , so it can get on the agenda and we know what is happening
the night of the meeting .
CASOLARA : I would comment that I was aware of this beforehand .
TWIGG : This request is for a special permit ?
TOTMAN : Yes , he plans on repairing cars for hire .
CAREY : You are going to put up a new building?
SCHEFFLER : Yes , the buildings I have are not suitable for what I want to do .
PLANNING BOARD -2- August 18 , 1987
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TOTMAN : The house that Mr . :>Munson owns , is that directly across the
road from you or down the road?
SCHEFFLER : It ' s . across the road and on the corner about 1 , 080 feet away .
That ' s the only other house on the block .
TOTMAN : The major effect that I can see he would have would be on the
last parcel of land Munson - is selling .
CASOLARA : There isrno one there now .
TOTMAN : Not •now , no .
TWIGG : Actually a repair shop is not that , well actually the noise is
not that much , it is when they start piling junk around .
TOTMAN : As long as he hasn ' t started yet , we can do it on a much better
basis than trying to get things cleaned up after the fact . You
can put stipulations in the permit - so itAdoesn ' t become like a
junk yard .
TWIGG : ( referring to map provided Board ) This is your house and barn
and you are putting it in the field west of the house ?
SCHEFFLER : There is a floor and foundations there where a saw mill was at
one time . We would be building it there , it would be directly
north of the first building you come to .
CASOLARA : In relation to the environmental assessment what about storage
of fuels , gas and the containment of waste oil or any other
petroleum by products .
SCHEFFLER : The waste -.- oil I would have to keep in a tank to be pumped , other
than burning it in a waste6-Voil heater , that is possibly something
in the future I might do . Other than burning it , it is put in
a tank and having it pumped , that is what I would do with it .
CASOLARA : I ' m comfortable with that ;`� and ''; I4kn6w�rthrough his job that he
is aware of the environmental impact of petroleum products . I
have no problem with it . He knows he has to meet certain
regulations .
TOTMAN : How about the number of cars in the area , you are not going todo
any selling , right ?
SCHEFFLER : No , I don ' t plan on it .
TWIGG : . This thing is back off the road how many feet ?
SCHEFFLER : Around 150 feet from the road .
TWIGG : Your house is between that and the road , so that really should
not be much of a problem if people build across the road .
PLANNING BOARD -3- August 18 , 1987
SCHEFFLER : They wouldn ' t be building directly across the road , it would be
kitty corner:
TWIGG : Even if they did build across the road , it is set back far
enough it should not affect the neighborhood at all .
TOTMAN : What would you be comfortable with in the number of cars setting
outside the garage , visable from the road?
SCHEFFLER : From my own standards , I would not want too many . I plan on a
one -man business for quite a while . I can ' t forsee any more than
10 at any one time .
TOTMAN : You are also aware there is a regulation , not only from the Town
but the State , concerning the number of unlicensed vehicles
sitting on lots . The reason I mention that is , somebody might
bring a car in that is not repairable but you can use for parts ,
and it sets there and it becomes an eyesore to the rest of the
area . The Town of Groton states you can ' t have more than 2 but
the State rules include debris and junk and unusable machinery ,
cars and such just setting there not being used or with no
intention of being used . You would be comfortable with the limit
of no more than 10 outside the barn located within the area of
the barn , not in front of the house ?
SCHEFFLER : Also there is a row of trees on two sides of the building so it
would act as a buffer .
TOTMAN : ( to the Board ) You have the option tonight to approve it
tonight . You have two options . ONe to go with the short form
Site Plan Review and not go to a public hearing , there are no-:
neighbors living around there now ; then a motion to approve with
stipulations or disapprove the proposal:
CASOLARA : Are you going to put up a sign?
SCHEFFLER : I had not thought much about it other than the repair shop sign
that goes on the building .
CASOLARA : There is no problem with a sign , I only bring it up to make you
aware there are regulations with regard to size of signs . I did
want to make you aware of that fact if you did want to put a sign
up it must meet the regulations , as to the size and where you put
it .
SCHEFFLER : I can live with that .
TWIGG : I see no need for a publich hearing since there are no neighbors .
CECIL TWIGG made the motion the Board go with the Short Form Site Plan
Review without a public hearing for '.:theq= proposed Auto Repair Shop by DONALD
SCHEFFLER AT 1364 Sovocool Hill Rd ; BILL CASOLARA second the motion .
PLANNING BOARD -4- August 18 , 1987
VOTE : All in favor
Motion carried .
CECIL TWIGG made the motion the Planning Board approve the Site Plan
Review forpan Auto Repair Shop proposed by DONALD SCHEFFLER , 1364 Sovocool Hill
Rd . with the stipulation 1 ) limited to 10 cars in close proximity outside the
building ; MONICA CAREY seconded the motion :
VOTE : All in favor
Motion carried .
PROPOSED RURAL SUB-DIVISION for the MARVIN TOROK property located on Sincerbeaux
Rd . , Pleasant Valley Rd . and Torok Rd . in the Town of Groton presented by ROBERT
WALPOLE . Tax Map No . 31 - 1 -26 .
WALPOLE : w11' approached the Board in May and indicated we would be selling
the property of Marvin Torok at public auction . ( referring to
worksheets presented previously ) Unit 1 on Sincebeaux Rd . ,
consisting of 2 parcels was sold as one unit ; thereais no
subdivision involved there .
Unit 2 with Parcels 3 , 4 and 5 was sold as one unit . The new
owner of Parcels 4 and 5 plans to sell those parcels to Marlin
Houston .
TOTMAN : That does not require a subdivision if dividing parcel into
two .
WALPOLE : Unit 3 : Parcel 9 was sold as separate parcel , Parcel 10 was
sold as separate parcel , Parcels 7 and 8 were sold as one
unit that becomes 17 acres and Parcel 6 becomes five acres to
meet the Rural Subdivision requirements . That requires Rural
Sub-division approval .
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Unit64 , Parcel 11 : There was a variance on record , transferable
by deed , was sold as one unit .
TOTMAN : To clarify , the Board of Zoning Appeals approved a variance for
this in April , 1981 giving variance for the road frontage .
WALPOLE : Unit 5 , 61 acres , Parcels 12 , 13 and 14 was sold as one unit .
All acres , based on new survey exceed the five acres plus needed
for a Rural Sub -division . We are asking for a Rural Sub -division
approval on Unit 3 .
TOTMAN : Do you have the maps for that all put together?
WALPOLE : We are not providing surveys for the whole thing . We are
providing surveys with the house parcel only . The deeds will
be recorded as is .
PLANNING BOARD —5— August 18 , 1987
TWIGG : ; There is no survey map for the whole thing?
WALPOLE : There will be survey map for Parcel 10 and Parcel 6 , there was
no reason to survey the balance of it and we wall survey the west
line of Parcel 14 ,
TWIGG : Does Parcel 6 go to Parcel 10 ?
WALPOLE : No .
CAREY : Does Parcel 8 come down between Parcel 6 and 10 ?
WALPOLE : Parcel 8 has frontage on both roads ; 170 feet frontage on Torok Rd .
CAREY : Parcels 7 and 8 are one unit ?
WALPOLE : Yes .
TOTMAN : A survey is required on the whole only.gif the Board requires it .
WALPOLE : We have surveys on the house and on Parcel 10 . I don ' t think
its necessary to survey any other units ; as they were sold as
whole .
CAREY : How much is the road frontage with No . 10 ?
WALPOLE : 470 feet . Parcel 9 has 460 ; the total involved with 7 & 8 is
close to a thousand feet .
TOTMAN : When you make out the request for the Rural Subdivision and we
sign it , it has to go to the County Clerk for filing .
CASOLARA : Have these been sold already ?
WALPOLE : The deed has not crossed hands . The purchase offer states we
have to meet this regulation before we can pass title and the
bankruptcy lawyers have the final say on this .
TOTMAN : The Board is familiar with this type of subdivision; with what
is required ?
TWIGG : They are all five acres lots or more .
TOTMAN0 As far as I know , right now I don ' t have an application .
WALPOLE : We brought 3 or 4 copies to the Clerk ' s office .
TOTMAN : Ok , it came with the minutes .
WALPOLE : I will send the copies of the surveys when they are received .
The west side of Sincerbeaux Rd . will be surveyed . We will send
copies of surveys for 6 and 10 when we receive them .
PLANNING BOARD - 6- August 18 , 1987
BILL CASOLARA made the motion the Board approve the proposed Rural
Subdivision of the MARVIN TOROK property located on Sincebeaux Rd . , Pleasant
Valley Rd . and Torok Rd . Tax Map No . 31 - 1 -26 ; CECIL TWI= seconded the motion :
VOTE : All in favor
Motion carried .
PROPOSED SALE of ROBERT H . & MARGARET M . KLUGE at 690 Clark St . Extension ,
Town of Groton , Tax Map No . 17 . - 1 - 26 . 1 :
WALPOLE : This is presented to the Board for informational purposes to
let you know the planned sale by Auction of the Robert and
Margaret Kluge property on Clark St . Ext . ( read attached letter '
dated August 18 , 1987 from Glenn H . Munson & son , Auctioneers ) .
I would like to brief you on what has occurred in the last ten
days . No . 26 . 2 was sold at publickauction a year ago and they
are building a new home on it . Robert and Margaret Kluge have
sold in the last ten days 44 acres , marked in pink on the map .
We are going to be selling the remainder of the parcels , no . 1 ,
2 , 3 and 4 on September 4 , 1987 . We are going to be offering
it as a combination and as an entire package . It may be sold as
an entire package , and if so that tax parcel will include 92 . 58
acres and it will only be broken into 2 parcels . The pink is 44
acres , Parcel 2 will #'containuapproximately 15 acres , Parcel 1
will contain approximately 15 acres , the two building lots fronting
on the Salt Road will contain approximately 9 acres each . We
will be doing a survey on this property except for the 44 acre ,
we had nothing to do with that sale .
TOTMAN : What you are basically saying here , Bob , you are making the
Board aware of it so that at a subsequent meeting when you
return , if you sell this land and come back and request approval
for a rural sub-division .
WALPOLE : At this point I am advising you that this is going to happen
on September 41 and to make you aware we may be applying for a
Rural Sub-division ,
TWIGG : Which parcel is the house ?
WALPOLE : The house sits on Parcel 1 . If there are any questions I want
to iron them out now before . When the proposal is printed up
we will send it to the Board .
PROPOSED MAJOR SUB -DIVISION proposed by ROGER GLEASON Old Stage Rd . , Town of
Groton , Tax Map No . 121 - 1 - 21 . 21
GLEASON : I brought in the survey , I ' m not sure if its what you wanted . I
told him what I wanted and he gave me this yesterday so I brought
it with me . I have five copies .
PLANNING BOARD -7- August 18 , 1987
TOTMAN : What you ' re saying is you are breaking this up into 3 parcels
and you are asking for a Major Sub -division?
GLEASON : We have to do it that way because of the previous activity on the
parcel .
TOTMAN : We have to have a public hearing .
GLEASON : I think the map does meet the meet the criteria you gave at the
June meeting except for one thing you asked for . Item 3 before
make a Major Sub -division you have to have the perk test , things
for sewer and water . I discussed this with Mr . Anderson of the
Health Department . We are doing this as a Major Sub -division
because of the number of pieces but I have nothing to do with
the sewer and water , the individuals buying the property will be
putting them in, . At this point we know not where they will be
putting the houses . So whatever we do will be a waste of money
and time and they ( Health Department ) don ' t want to come out .
If you take a soil map , which I brought with me , it is Bath-Valois
Howardasoil :r� Ittis very suitable for house sites . We are not
putting in small lots . They are 2 . 6 , 2 . 7 and actually Proper ' s
will be 14 acres , which the most that will be on it is 3 houses .
TOTMAN : Basically all we are doing tonight is looking at the preliminary
plans and calling a Public Hearing . The Public Hearing canbe
set for the September meeting if you desire to accept what Roger
gas given us . After the Public Hearing , either that night or later ,
we can make the decision .
TWIGG : I see nothing wrong with what he has presented so far .
CASOLARA : I just want clarification on the missing item Roger mentioned .
TOTMAN : There are people who will disagree with me , but my feeling is when
you are dividing land for the sole purpose of dividing land , some
of the things we look for in a Major Subdivisaido not apply .
Number one you do not know what is going to happen to the land .
You have no way of knowing when a guy buys nine acres of land
where the house is going to go on that so you can ' t do a sewer
and water test . Which is , in difference to that , if you got
that land and you want to put a little industrial park in or
you want to take that land and put in &. ten unit sub-division
in there then you are going to have to follow the rules because
then we know what you are going to do with the land . In this
case , the perk tests for water , we don ' t do that anyways , the
Health Department does that . Roger read it in the book that
the Board can require that . We have not asked him for that .
GLEASON : The :las:tatime we talked about this you said I needed to .
TOTMAN : The main purpose we are here tonight is to determine if what
Roger has presented to us is enought so that we can take it
to a public hearing .
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PLANNING BOARD -8- August 18 , 1987
TOTMAN : Are there any questions or a motion to put forth?
No more questions from the Board .
MONICA CAREY made the motion the Board accept the proposed plans for a
Major Sub-division presented by ROGER GLEASON , on Old Stage Rd . and Clrk St .
Ext , in the Town of Groton and set a public hearing for Tuesday , September 15 ,
1987 at 8 : 00 p . m . ; BILL CASOLARA seconded the motion .
VOTE : All in favor
Motion carried .
TOTMAN : If no further business to come before the meeting , the meeting
is closed .
The next regular meeting will be held Tuesday , September 15 , 1987 after the
Public Hearing to be held at 8 : 00 p . m .
Respectfully submitted ,
q9Maar t A . Palmer
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GLENN H . MUNSON & SON , AUCTIONEERS
448 Locke Road ( Rt . 38 ) P . O . Box 127
Groton , New York 13073
Phone ( 607 ) - 898 - 3739 or ( 315 ) - 497 - 1331
August 18 , 1987
Town of Groton Planning Board
Conger Boulevard
Groton , New York 13073
Dear Board Members
Enclosed is a sketch plan of the Robert H . & Margaret M . Kluge Real
Estate Auction proposal 1 for the property located at 690 Clark Street
Extension , Groton , New York . The auction has been scheduled for Friday ,
September 4 , 1987 .
' Tax - Map - # 17e _ 1 _ 2E = 1
PARCEL # 1 ( YELLOW ) - Consists of the house and approximately
15 acres with road frontage on Clark
Street Extension .
PARCEL # 2 ( BLUE ) - Consists of approximately 15 acres all
tillable , with road frontage or, Clark
Street Extension .
PARCEL # 3 ( GREEN ) - Consists of approximately 9 acres with
road frontage on Clark Street Extension
and Salt Road ,
PARCEL #4 ( ORANGE ) - Consists of approximately 9 acres with
road frontage on Salt Road .
( PINK ) - Shows the 44 acre section of land previously sold
by Kluge to Roberts .
The total of the lot size that will be offered at public auction is
approximately 50 acres . Each of the parcels will be offered or, an individual
basis , as combinations and as the entirety . This could result in the need of
two to five parcels being subdivided from the original 'Tax Map Parcel . ( This
includes the 44 acme tract sold to Roberts ) .
Please feel' free to contact me if you should have any questions . Your
time and consideration in this matter is appreciated .
espect f �_tl ly
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N ROBERT H . & MARGARET M . KLUGE
690 CLARK STREET EXTENSION
20 TOWN OF GROTON
COUNTY OF TOMPKINS
STATE OF NEW YORK
TAX MAP '.= 17 . - 1 - 26 . 1
PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY : ROBERT F . WALPOLE , REAL ESTATE MANAGER FOR MUNSON REALTY *
AUGUST 18 , 1987
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