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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1986-03-25 cR TOWN OF GROTON j PLANNING BOARD IYM Tuesday , March 25 , 1986 , 8 : 45 p . m . BOARD ( *Present ) * PUBLIC PRESENT : »George' Totman , Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Enforcement Mike Post , Vice - Chairman Officer *Nancy Ostrander , Cor , Secretary Colleen Pierson Monica Carey Mr . & Mrs . Harvey Baker *Verl Rankin Randy Baker Cecil Twigg Roger Gleason G . Totman , Chairman , opened the Planning Board meeting . Minutes of the January , 1986 , meeting were read and approved . DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED PURCHASE AND USE OF PROPERTY ON PERU RD . ( RT38 ) BY MR & MRS . HARVEY BAKER AND RANDY BAKER : TOTMAN : Harvey Baker is planning on buying Ron Cotanch ' s poultry farm . What he wants to do is make a wood working buisines on the farm . He claims there is enought parking space in the back to take care of any required parking . BAKER : There is about an acre in back of the barn . It will take some fill to make it level . TOTMAN : What he is interested in , is before he goes any farther , is it feasible to look into . From our Planning Board that would be a Site -Plann Review we will have to take up at the next meeting . The rules say it has to be in ten days before a meeting . RANIk�a; 3 Q Have you talked to Gary Wood about this ? BAKER : Yes , he says it is okay with the approval of the Planning Board . TOTMAN : At the next meeting we will decide whether it requires a public hearing . The only problem I see so far , it has been decided by the Town Attorney , the enforcement officer and the Town Board , the owner of the property has to make the application . BAKER : I am not the owner yet . I have been trying to get it since October . TOTMAN : If you could get Ron Cotanch to sign the papers , I ' m sure we would . . . . . The Board would need a layout map . R . BAKER : Another thing , we would be selling . good antique furniture . • PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 2 - -March 25 , 1986 OSTRANDER : You would be making things there ? H . BAKER : Making , repairing and refin thing . OSTRANDER0 Will you have a stripper tank ? R . BAKER : No , we use a blow on system . We plan on grading off the pools in the back and grading then in . OSTRANDER : Does he realize all that goes into the Site Plan Review ; this is located in a low density area . TOTMAN : Because it is within 500 feet of a State highway we have to notify the State before we can take any action on it . H . BAKER : What would they do ? TOTMAN : They would look at the impaic,t m WOOD : The County Planning Department must make a recommendation to the Town Planning Board before this Board can act . It is in an advisory capacity only . The time period would be before the next meeting . TOTMAN : If we have the application tomorrow , we can send it to the County and have it back in a few days , before the April meeting . WOOD : We have no opinion on this , youmay act without prejudice , is the type of answer they could give . R . BAKER : The Town Supervisor stated ; thatiduring the Groton Festival Days suggested we have an antique flea market at the same time as the balloon festival . Is there anything else lyou have to do to do that ? TOTMAN : I think you better let me check on that one because during the Groton Festival Days , the last Saturday and Sunday in August , for the last few years they have been doing it the Groton Historical Society has been using the Village barns for a flea market . This would come under Light Manufacturing , 142 . 4 , allowed in a low density area . MRS . BAKER : Is there anything else the Board would address at that time ? RANKIN : What time period are we talking about ? H. X' BAKER : I have to own the property first . I continually get business I can ' t handle because of space . PIERSON : You don ' t have time for a hearing before next meeting . PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 3 - a March 25 , 1986 RANKIN : We don ' t need a hearing . H . BAKER : We don ' t want delay but we . . . . . . . . . The fleas market , the Town Supervisor made comment to us . TOTMAN : The market at the Groton Festival started out as a flea market . From my interpretation I think this is more of a craft fair now than a flea market . OSTRANDER : You said you would be selling cabinets , is this going to be actuallretail sales ? H . BAKER : Retail sales will . be mostly done at the personsas home . The call up , planning on having display area : Any sales are usually done at a person ' s home . It usually takes six weeks to do something like that . OSTRANDER : Similar to Baker- Miller with cabinets on display ? H . BAKER : Yes , similar . The same idea . Basically for them to see the quality of the work . See different designs , to be able to see ' we can make cabinets . CAREY6 You , will be making the stuff right there ? H . BAKER : Yes . WOOD: To set up a manufacturing business in the low density zone is not permitted . The only way it can be permitted is . if the Board is willing to consider . . . . . . .reuse of building there now . TOTMAN : It would be called Custom and Light Manufacturing , it is legal . DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION ON OLD STAGE ROAD PRESENTED BY ROGER GLEASON * GLEASON : I have an application for a Rural Subdivision on the corner of Old Stage Road and Clark St . Ext . I have sold one five acre lot . The proposal is for a five acre lot next to Burdick ' s on Old Stage Rd . I would like to get this approved and present and present a tentative plan of division of whole area . If I resubmit the whole thing tonight , whether it is possible to have the Board approve three lots rather than one or just approve one five acre lot and present preliminary , then go to next meeting . TOTMAN : How many lot have you sold in this deeded parcel of land already ? GLEASON : Two , TOTMAN : The third one means a subdivision . PLANNING BOARD MEETING -4 - March 25 , 1986 GLEASON : A Rural Subdivision can be five . TOTMAN: How big are the other two lots ? GLEASON : The last time talked to you it would be a Rural Subdivision . TOTMAN : I ' m talking about the two sold already ; after the Zoning Ordinance took effect . GLEASON : Burdick and Dunne . Last time you said it would be a Rural Subdivision , TOTMAN : You are talking about this whole parcel ? ( referring to drawing ) GLEASON : I divided it into three parcels . At the time I needed five acres taken out , I did not have them divided . TOTMAN : Are you planning on selling more parcels after you get through selling these ' off the rest of the farm ? GLEASON : I don ' t plan on it now , but I ' m not going to stop . TOTMAN : In the end it would be cheaper for you to make the whole farm into a subdivision . GLEASON , It cost too much to have it surveyed . TOTMAN : Before long , you will be forced to do that . GLEASON : I don ' t know , how do you do this . We talked about a Major Subdivision before , I talked to Gary . As I understand , the interpretation that I got was , that every time we cross a road it is a separate parcel . TOTMAN : You ' re talking about when we dealt with the Koekebacker parcel . The road divided the parcel and it was declared a separate part . OSTRANDER : Thes is one � deed here ? ( referring to the drawing ) TOTMAN : No , deeds covering more acres . This is within a certain road block , that is h`owtwe dealt with the previous land . WOOD : Minor Subdivision is three to five lots ; Major is more that six . If you sell fourt lots from original , then it becomes major subdivision . TOTMAN : You have not submitted the proper form for a subdivision . You are suppose to have a survey and it must be in ten days before the meeting . 1 PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 5 - March 25 , 1986 GLEASON : We had a preliminary hearing on this . TOTMAN : We went over a map , with proposed five acre lots . What about this lot with . 2 acres ? GLEASON : That goes with the big area . I own it now . TOTMAN : From this map , you are proposing to sell the lot by Burdick ' s ? You are asking for a Rural Subdivision with three more large lots ? The last time you were here we;stolldtkyou the best thing for you to do . You keep coming back every month . We tried to tell you last time it would be easier on you and cheaper if you went for a Major . On this particular parcel of Ind you are asking for three . If you want to sell any more , it is automatically a major . GLEASON : You changing your ruling about the road ? TOTMAN0 Any more on this part ? RANKIN : Is this your line ? ( referreing to drawing) 0STRANDER : I don ' t think it would be a Major , I think it would be a Minor . RANKIN : This road deal , if this . land , with road , is on the same deed , the . . . . with the road . OSTRANDER : To go by the definition of a . . . . . . . . GLEASON : Mr . Henry brought that point up . ( 114 . 03 - Development lot / Deed lot ) RANKIN : The land northeast , southeat of property on one deed ? GLEASON : I ' d have to check these with all separate deeds , at one time became consolidated as far as taxe+parcel concerned . TOTMAN : There is nothing more we can do tonight . GLEASON : The main thing I want to know is which way to go . I want to get it down exactly what I am�itoSdol!,% TOTMAN : Within the next week , sometime tween now and the next week , in order to be clear in our minds , have the Planning Board members with Gary and whoever else wants to , to take out the files of your property and color code map to your subdivisions for further reference . GLEASON : I think I still need to know ; does a road make different parcels when you cross the road ? PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 6- March 25 , 1986 WOOD : To satisfy , lets say this is one parcel on tax map . Even if it weren ' t , based on what Jim Henry said , since it is separated by a road , this becomes entity by itself . TOTMAN : What determined that particular night , it was decided that Lick was a site block , whatever was done in that square becomes an entity in itself . You cross the road youhhave to resubmit . That was the only way you could sell to Koekebacker that particular parcel . GLEASON0 The question is . . . . . If you read 220 . 1 and 222 . . . I think I have supplied you with what I am required to . TOTMAN : Your question on the Health Department permit is comparatively right . We still can ' t legally act upon this tonight . It was not totally submitted prior to the meeting and we will do it at the April 15 meeting . GLEASON : If you go to 223 I was interested inaacquiring conditions of approval which then we would provide the other . ONe of the plvk) �.,ke problems is I don ' t still understandeTapraYouy/wanteme to spend money before it , you may change my interpretation of this . I was hoping we could come to an agreement with modifications before I do the final thing ; then It can be approved with the modifications . If you are going to be so hard and fast you have to have tremendous drawings , this is the reason I shied from a Major Subdivision , it gets expensive . TOTMAN : Roger , let me make it clear to yoiwhy we ' reashesitant as to jumping and saying ' it ' s okay ' . You have to realize that you were on the Planning Board for many , many years and over the years you did many things . You came before the Board , you set off in a chair , did not partake in the meeting . Many people made comments to the Town Board asking how can you get away with all this . Right now you come in with more subdivisiors than anybody else and you want them passed right away . You can ' t expect the Board to go out of its way and get themselves in trouble for everything that comes up . They have done some '� thingsbtforsLyou . Every time you come in you want immediate decisions . This Board has to answer to the public . Everything seems to be on the borderline . They have to have time to think it over and discuss it . GLEASON : I had this before you originally last year . TOTMAN : You drew it back . GLEASON : I try to find out what you wanV�, 1, The main thing I want to know . I ' m not pushing it . I ' m suppose to have a closing on this thing . If Ism sure going toK.have everything the next meeting , we ' re . alright . RANKIN : We have to go which way the book says . PLANNING BOARD MEETING . 7 - March 25 , 1986 TOTMAN : ( read information from the January , 1986 meeting , second paragraph ) OSTRANDER : Would it be a Rural or a Minor ? There was Burdick anduDunne . You can only sell 4 more , making . . . . . . . WOOD : You can sell , l , 2 , 3 , 4 and remaining parcel makes it 5 . A minor subdivision is creating five parcels . TOTMAN : What Roger is asking for is a Rural Subdivision , OSTRANDER : He can ' t because the other two are smaller than five acres . TOTMAN : Roger knows what he can do . He can sell three more , that is all . Any more , makes it a major subdivision . In fairness to buyer , if they want to subdivide lots they should see us first . A person would spend thousands of dollars to fill it . You have 220 foot frontage . OSTRANDER : If the Planning Board determines , you might need a survey . GLEASON : When I . give the papers to you next meeting , approve that one or all three . I want to get that one done now . OSTRANDER : Do this all at once and get it all done . I submit this drawing , this okay , approved as presented . GLEASON : One other question , if you follow the major subdivision to the letter you have everything it becomes a major project , it does say the Planning Board can waive some of the provisions . If you have a Major Subdivision because of numbers , with no roads , sewer or etc . What I really would like to know , just what you require to do a Major Subdivision ; would it be an extension of a Minor Subdivision ? TOTMAN : Before we could give any answer to that we would have to see what you have in mind and what you ' re proposing . Maybe not in lawyer detail . You lay it out for the Board ' this is what I would like to do , what would you require me to accomplish ? ,,, GLEASON : If I come in next time you have to think of it another six weeks , we ' re talking about next year . TOTMAN : If you were in this place would you answer that question ? GLEASON : What I ' m asking is give some thought to it . I think you still need criteria to go by . WOOD : You keep saying , ' I ' m not going to develop streets , etc ' . You don ' t have to do a cross section . If you go down through this list , some things fall out . The other things here , ought to be here ; controus , intervals of five feet . You ought to show the Planning Board what you ' re going to do with drainage . You have to have it . I PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 8 - March 25 , 1986 TOTMAN0 For example , remember the out of town enterprise that wanted to buy a big parcel on Sovocool Hill and divide into ten acre lots . If they asked the same question , we could not answer . When we i looked at it the village would be swamped with the water runoff . You have to look at the proposal . 1 I GLEASON : Gary just said some things that answer my questions . I ' ll resubmit with the whole outline and will submit a survey . I don ' t think I have to submit all umpteen copies for a Rural Sub-division , just a sketch . T.OTMAN : Right . OSTRANDER : Another thing , in the meeting bring the public in first of all in the preliminary subdivision . He has to bring public in if feels they live in that area . It ' s not like , have it all divided up , they feel you ' re trying to sneak it through . If it is all up front in the beginning and they know what is going to happen , it is better . GLEASON : Could I have a copy of how the line roads work ? PROPOSED GREENHOUSE BUSINESS ON W . GROTON ROAD BY ABE CONGDON * RANKIN : It is a greenhouse this year but it won ' t be next year . TOTMAN : The point we have to consider is , he has a greenhouse used for cone purpose and eants to sell to the public . He already has a permit for the greenhouse . All he is asking for tonight is the privilege to sell the stuff to the general public . RANKIN : Let him sell it . POST : Sounds like a good idea . CAREY * Yes . OSTRANDER : Yes . MIKE POST made the motion to approve the application of ABE CONGDON to run a greenhouse on W . Groton Rd . MONI'CAiCAREYYfsecorded the motion . VOTE : All in favor . Motion carried . PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 9 - March 25 , 1986 PROPOSED SAWMIIL BUSINESS ON CLARK ST . EXT . BY ROBERT KLUGE : TOTMAN : Mr . Kluge proposed a portable sawmill , probably , from his explanation , 75 percent would be done on the property of others . OSTRANDER : I believe he said 90 percent would be done on other peoples woodlots . POST : It is good for the community . VERL RANKIN made the motion the application of ROBERT KLUGEdfor a portable sawmill be approved ; MONICA CAREY9' seconded the motion . VOTE : All in favor . Motion carried . PROPOSEDOMOTO.R VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP ON BIRD CEMETERY RD . BY RICHARD DECKER : TOTMAN : Mr . Decker has a mobile home on Bird Cemetery Road and next to the home is a 2 bay garage with another half bay without a door . We want to look at the parking . The barn is 87 feet from the road . The parking area is 87 by 62 , The driveway is 20 feet wide . There should be enough': to accommodate what cars will be there . On the surface it looks like parking area for cars . He indicated tonight he is going to be doing basically farm machinery . If that is the case , I think we should figure out wording on how much oft-his farm machinery can be left sitting . Right now there are no neighbors . Later somebody might want to build in the area . OSTRANDER : What about his hours of operation ? TOTMAN : A little ridiculous , in country without neighbors , to set hours . The people , at the hearing , had legitimate grips tonight . We can stipulate whatever machinery or cars in parking lot waiting to be repaired be parked in an orderly fashion , neat in appearance OSTRANDER : Could you say have more . . . . . . . . . . . of machinery have to go to a junkyard , just a hint - don ' t go beyond extremes . If you put 11 it in now , somebody comes back. later and says ' I never had; to have it this way ' , we could go back and say ' yes , this is the way it is ' , TOTMAN : We could pass it with the following stipulations : 1 ) providing no excessive amount of machinery and motor vehicles accumulate for a long period of time . 2 ) Vehicles or other items in parking lot , waiting for repair or to be picked up , be stored in lines and an orderly fashion . 3 ) any sign must comply with the Ordinance . PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 10- March 25 , 1986 MONICA CAREY made the motion the Planning Boardaapprove the application of RICHARD DECKER for a Motor Vehicle Repair Shop on Bird Cemetery Rd . in the Town of Groton with the three' stipulations stated at the bottom of Page 9 of the minutes ; NANCY OSTRANDER2� seconded the motion . VOTE : All in favor :" M otion carried TOTMAN : The whole Board , besides going to New York went to Trumansburg to a State sponsored seminar on Zoning . Even though we did not accomplish any revisions of the Ordinance , we did learn about planning . We still have to get together or call a special meeting to go over the Ordinance for revision . Gary and I met but the Board should meet too . We need to discuss Motor Vehicle Repair Shops , some things sould . be included and some things in the codes are incongruous . We should set up a work session to go over this . Thursday , April 10 , 1986 at 7 : 30 p . m . was set up as a work session to go over the Ordinance for revision . WOOD : What is the story on Joe Hora subdivision ? I had an inquiry about buying the last lot left up there on '�- Sovocool Hill Road . RANKIN : He sold the one time , the Health Department could not get drainage . POST : The issue is / a is breaking the rules or asking what is the status . TOTMAN : Like I told Roger , without exploring and going to the files , I can ' t tell . WOOD : The question definitely7 , if an individual buys the last lot can I issue him a building permit ? TOTMAN : Are you sure it is the last lot ? WOOD : No , I am not . I really don ' t know what he did . I do know the parcel has been cut up . RANKIN : There are three lots . WOOD : Phillip Empson called me , he has a mobile home up the road a bit . TOTMAN : We have to get the tax maps out . PIERSON : On Sovocool Hill Rd . , the Board authorized Walpole to sell a lot then he could sell no more , from previous meetings . PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 11 - March 25 , 1986 Motiondwas made that the meeting be adjourned . The next regular meeting of the Planning Board will be Tuesday , April 15 , 1986 at 8 : 00 p . m . Respectfully submitted , Ma Bare A . Palmer TOWN OF GROTON PLANNINGIuLBOARD."�"PUBLI.C:rHEARI NG Tuesday , March 25 , 1986 , 80900tDp . m . Application by ABRAHAM CONGDON of 593 West Groton Road for a Special Permit to operate a Greenhouse business . BOARD (*present ) PUBLIC PRESENT *George Totman , Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Enforcement *Mike Post , Vice - Chairman Officer *Nancy Ostrander , Cor . Secretary Colleen Pierson , Town Clerk *Monica Carey Loretta Sherman , 595 W . Groton Rd . *Verl Rankin Edward Sherman to " of ,,,Cecil Twigg Mr . & Mrs . Harvey Baker , 670 Peru Rd . Randy Baker , 382 Van Ostrad Rd . Richard Decker , 51 Bird Cemetery RD . Carrie Hare , 690 Clark St . Ext , Robert Kluge , " It of of Abe Congdon , 593 W . Groton Rd . G . TOTMAN , Chairman , opened the public hearing by reading the Legal Notice attached , published March 10 , 1986 . TOTMAN : Anybody who wants to comment on the issue may . The Board has 45 days to act on a decision after the public hearing . L . SHERMAN : I am very much for it . E . SHERMAN : I have no objection . TOTMAN : ( for clarification of business location ) Abe is on the West Groton Road to the left of him the Sherman ' s live in a mobile home , to the left of his driveway . His greenhouse and business are off the road . In the summer time you probably cannot see the business from the road . The next person nearby is across the road and that is their daughter . OSTRANDER : They have their own greenhouse , they are asking now for the purpose of selling to the public ? CONGDON : That ' s correct . OSTRANDER : Do you plan on building anyq- new,, .buildings ? CONGDON : I have intention of building . This is bigger than it was . The main part of the greenhouse is up . The intention of the permit was for a bigger building . POST : All the parking will be off the street ? CONGDON : Yes . The driveway is 550 feet long . POST : Gary , do you have any problems with this ? PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING - 2 - March 25 , 1986 Congdon WOOD : No , I don ' t . I would like you to give me some guidelines as to how you would classify that as far as activity . I was thinking of 135 . 4 , which is Agricultural Sales . OSTRANDER : Or 133 . 15 which is the same Agricultural Services with retail . sales , under Commercial activity . TOTMAN0 I think it would be classified as 133 . 15 . If there is no further qeustions or comments we will close the hearing . I , MARGARET A . PALMER , DO CERTIFY that at the Public Hearing held by. the Planning Board of the Town of Groton , County of Tompkins , on Tuesday , March 25 , 1986 , did ' .take the minutes of aforesaid Hearing and the foregoing is a true and exact copy of said hearing to the best of my ability . TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING Tuesday , March 25 , 19869 8 : 00 p . m . Application of ROBERT H . KLUGE of 690 Clark Street Extension for a Special Permit to operate a portable saw mill both on the premises and at various other locations . BOARD ( *present ) PUBLIC PRESENT *George Totman , Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Enforcement *Mike Post , Vice -Chairman Officer *Nancy Ostrander , Cor . Secretary Colleen Pierson , Town Clerk *Monica Carey Loretta Sherman , 595 W . Groton Rd *Verl Rankin Edward Sherman , Cecil Twigg Mr . & Mrs . Harvey Baker , 670 Peru Rd . Randy Baker , 382 Van Ostrand Rd . Richard Decker , 51 Bird Cemetery Carrie Hare , 690 Clark St . Ext . Robert Kluge , . " Abe Congdon , 593 W . Groton Rd . A . W . Roberts , 981 Rt . 222 W . A . Roberts , 782 Clark St . Ext , Helen D . Lane , 668 W . Groton Rd . John D . Lane , to " G . TOTMAN , Chairman , opened the public hearing by reading the Legal Notice attached , published March 10 , 1986 . He also read a special note sent to GARY WOOD by MR . KLUGE . The operation of the TreeMill will be fore purpose of sawing of logs at the customer ' s site by a portable ban saw ; there will be some cutting on the customer ' s land site and board rough cut form, This wood will be stored for a brief period in an existing 40 x 60 foot barn at Clark St . Ext . It is intended as a parttime basis . The saw makes about as much noise as a lawn mower . You can see a demonstration of the saw after March 15 , W . A . ROBERTS : I ' m all for it , I have no objection . A . W . ROBERTS : I have no objection . I came to give Mr . Kluge my support . HARE : The saw does make about as much noise as a lawn mower . He has been running it since he brought it home from Indiana . I , m not a person who likes a lot of noise but this does make about as much noise as a lawn mower . The motor is not the the saw . There is no high pitch wine . KLUGE : The saw does not sing . It is a ban saw . TOTMAN : It is not so much on site , it is going to various areas in the countryside ? KLUGE : 90 percent will be done at the location As bring logs out of the woods , not necessarily at residence . PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING - 2 - March 25 , 1986 Kluge OSTRANDER : This would be similar to taking a wood splitter to somebody ' s lot to split wood ? TOTMAN Yes . Apparently there is no neighbor problems . WOOD : Q The person in the house immediately to the south of you , Denise Radway , she is not here tonight ? KLUGE : She does not live in her house . She inherited it . We don ' t know what the status is now . WOOD : Where would you set the saw up ? KLUGE : Probably , right now I have it by the milk house sie of the barn . I have a drivein doorway on the Cortland side of the barn . I have aconcrete pad there . Hopefully , I .will have to get a dozer in there to take away the old silo . There is a pile of rubbish to be gotten out of there ; on the east side of the barn . WOOD : There is no close neighbor on that side ? KLUGE : No . Actually , it is not convenient on the left side of the barn . It would be difficult to get into the barn . Plus , possibly I will be putting up another building in that area if things go right . I certainly can ' t come towards the house . WOOD : Are you planning on retiring and doing this as full time ? KLUGE : Not realy , I do have a couple of youngsters coming up . TOTMAN : If there are no further questions or comments we will close the public hearing . ' . I , . MARGARET A . PALMER , DO CERTIFY that at the Public Hearing held by the Planning Board of the Town of Groton , County of Tompkins , on Tuesday , March 25 , 19860 did take the minutes of said hearing and the foregoing is a true and exact copy of said hearing , to the best of my ability . TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING Tuesday , March 25 , 1986 , T8 : 30 p . m . Application of RICHARD DECKER of 51 Bird CemeteryRoad for a Special Permit of the Land Use and Development Code of the Town of Groton in regards to a Motor Vehicle Repair Shop . BOARD ( *present ) PUBLIC PRESENT *George Totman , Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Enforcement *Mike Post , Vice - Chairman Officer *Nancy Ostrander , Cor . Secretary Colleen Pierson , Town Clerk *Monica Carey Loretta & Edward Sherman , 595 *Verl Rankin W . Groton Rd . Cecil Twigg Mr . & MRs . Harvey Baker , 670 PeruRd . Randy Baker , 382 VanOstrand Rd . Richard Decker , 51 Bird Cemetery Abe Congdon , 593 W . Groton Rd . Helen D . Lane , 668 W . Groton Rd . John D . Lane , G . TOTMAM , Chairman , opened the public hearing by reading the Legal Notice attached , published March 10 , 1986 . H . . LANE : I am a neighbor and I have no objection to Mr . Decker ' 's application . I would like to voice a concern we have . A nieghbor close to Mr . Decker is running an unlicensed motor, vehcile repair shop for a period of time . He also has had a Junkyard there since November of 1985 . Here it is March ,, 25 , 1986 . I ' m concerned with that on the corner . That erodes the tintegtity of the Zoning Law . Eventually , that is going to foster the attitude that the Zoning Law does not mean anything . WOOD : I am aware . of the problem . TOTMAN : In all fairness to Gary , he is the enforcement officer , when he cites somebody for doing something illegal it goes before another Board . He brings the citing in whether before the Justice , the Zoning Board of Appeals or the Town Board . He has to do the paperwork . What happens from that point on is not under his control . H . LANE : I am talking about the Warner Pierson property owned by Mr . Twigg . He said so himself , that he is repairing cars . L . SHERMAN : At one , two o ' clock in the morning he runs the motors .` H . LANE : I ' m concerned about the integrity of the Law . How the people see the Law enforced . Is somebody going easy on somebody for some reason . r" PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING . 2 . March 25 , 1986 Decker TOTMAN : No , that is not the case . H . LANE : I think it is up to the Board that that conjecture does not continue . TOTMAN : I don ' t think I would be out of line in telling you , �because the minutes of the meetings are public . That problem was addressed two months ago . A deadline for that problem to be takin care of was given . L . SHERMAN : There is a different bunch of cars there now . TOTMAN : Are they green license plates ? WOOD : Green and white . TOTMAN : I saw the place , there were 2 or 3 cars and a trailer with green license plates on them . H . LANE .* . The last deadline I was aware of was the end of February . TOTMAN : We ' ll take care of that . CONGDON : We '& 4�talso has about five reapir shop within a few miles . DECKER : Originally I started out as a farm machinery repair shop . In order to take care of modern farmer , they have cars , pickups , this would have to come under the New York State Repair . - TOTMAN : Once you get our approval you can apply for a permit . OSTRANDER : Is the barn built ? ( referring to map ) DECKER : Yes , it has a ten foot overhead door . OSTRANDER : Is this proposed parking area or is it already there ? DECKER : It is already there . WOOD : Is it your intention to make this a full time occupation ? DECKER : Not at the present time , no . I already hold a job at Cargill Salt at night . Some time in the future I may or may not . WOOD : Do you plan to make modications to the barn ? DECKER : A little . It is not big enoughtfor a house , it is basically 28 by 48 barn with 2 doors . Y PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING . 3- March 25 , 1986 Decker TOTMAN : The closest neighbor is about WOOD : Noise carries , it doesn ' t matter how far away you are . TOTMAN : If there are no further questions or comments , we ' ll close the public hearing . CONGDON : There is Joe Hora , Gary Lane , guy on Storm Road , Rider Bixler , guy on Bird Cemetery corner , Francis White . I don ' t know how manymore you want or need . There is getting to be so many . There ' s one on every corner . TOTMAN0 Francis White has a junkyard , he has a permit . CONGDON : What I ' m saying is within five miles we have six or seven repair places . TOTMAN0 Wey' ll look into it . The problem is when they do run loose it is cheaper for Mr . Bixler to do that instead of going through the Court costs . DECKER : I was going to see how the guy on the corner made out . I figured it was better to do it the right way . H . LANE : I like to add a further comment . I ' m not concerned about the numbers of peole doing things for a living . There are lots . of greenhouse and lots of repair shops . My concern is we do have a Zoning Law and other regulations and everyone should comply with the regulations . As far as how many in business if somebody has the ambition and interest to make money , I ' m not going to stand in their way . I would like to see the rules and regulations complied with . TOTMAN : If no further comment we ' ll close the hearing . I , MARGARET A . PALMER , DO CERTIFY that at the Public Hearing held by the Planning Board of the Town of Groton , County of Tompkins , on Tuesday , March 25 , 1986 did take the minutes of said hearing and the foregoing is a true and exact copy of said hearing , to the best of my ability . n TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Tuesday , January 21 , 19W BOARD ( *Present ) *Seorge Totman , Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Enforcement � Mikb Post , Vice Chairman Officer *Nancy Ostrander , Cor . Sec . Roger Gleason *6ecil Twigg Monica Carey *Verl Rankin George Totman opened the meeting at 8315 p . m . Minutes of the December , 1_ 98 (5!: (a> meeting were approved as presented . R0QER GLEASON presented the Board with some questions concerning his property on Old Stage Rd . ( running southwest of Old Stage Rd . and west of Clark St . Ext . ) GLEASON : I ' ve approached you about this property before . At the time it was decided that because the farm was intersected by roads , each section divided by a road were separate . That each section can be considered separately and not as a whole . Correct `? TOTMAN : That is what we agreed on . GLEASON : Lot on the corner was sold to Burdick with a sub division approval . The lot sold to Dunne was originally my parents , sold originally in 1955 and sold to Dunne around 1972 . The scond question is . dealing with how do we count this ? If we sold one , could we sell three more ; if we sold two , could we sell two more `: If I sell one lot more , Burdick being one , whatever I sell is two , is . there one remaining `? TOTIVIAN : If you sold one lot , it made two lots out of one . The Ordinance was chaged to read ' 3 ' . If you sell two , with one remaining , that makes three . gLEASON : When does this become a major subdivision `? Can I sell four with one left ? If I go with a major subdivision is it possible to cut through the red tape of roads , sewers , etc . ? I could do this several ways . I could apply for a Minor Subdivision or a Rural Subdivision , depending on the size of the lots . Since I had a Major Subdivision before , for the Burdick Lot , do we start from scratch now % Can we make a subdivision out of the rest of it ` I have two different maps here . One showing a Minor Subdivision and one showing a Rural Subdivision , TOTMAN : Which one are you going for 1 ..- s PLANNING BOARD January 21 , 1986 GLEASON : I have a buyer for the lot west of Burdick �' s . He does not really want five acres . The question is how to go about dividing up the area . TOTMAN : What you have to do now is make a formal proposal and get it in ten days before the next meeting . GLEASON : Can I sell One lot without subdividing and then come back when I want to sell more TOTMAN : The problem that is facing us now with the diagram showing three large parcels , one parcel of five acres with 400 frontage the other has 600 foot . You might sell one five acre with this offer and then this summer want to split the lots up next to it . Then it would be a Major Subdivision . To protect yourself , you might better ask for a Major subdivision . I GLEASON : That 600 foot westside , unless somebody wants to fill it in , is not more than one lot . WOOD : Are there any natural boundaries ? GLEASON : There is a swamp in the southwest corner , an open ditch . We tried to tile drain it 20 years ago . It could not be done . The question , what about a Major f Subdivision , if I go with that can I waive the requirements of roads , etc . ? WOODS I think you should get a tax map with a larger scale to see what makes sense in the area for lots . Make a set plan and come in once and for all * TOTMAN : If proper paperwork received , we ' ll call a meeting . After reviewing Burdick Subdivision and the Ordinance Roger was told the Burdick and Dunne property are considered part of the original parcel . He can ' t sell more than three more piec ! without going to a Major Subdivision . George Totman will appoint a committee to review the Zoning Ordinance for inconsistencies and report back to them Board at the March meeting . After rev =ew by the Planning Board a proposal for changes to the Ordinance will be made to the Town Board . 1 GARY WOOD brought up the question of Sherry OFBrien . , The letter of May 24 , 1985 , approving O ' Brien ' s Special Pe' was reviewed . He is in violation of the stipulation to maintain cars in an orderly fashion . Gary was instructed the Board to send tim a letter to that fact . Meeting was adjourned . The next regular meeting i Planning Board will be March 18 � 1986 at 8 : 00 p . m .