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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1985-11-19 TOWN OF GROTON PLANNING BOARD Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 BOARD ( *Present ) OTHERS PRESENT *George Totman , Chairman Teresa Robinson , Town Supervisor , Mike Post , Vice Chairman Gary Wood , Zoning Officer ' *Nancy Ostrander , Coro Secretary - Colleen Pierson , Town Clerk *Cecil Twigg * Verl Rankin 'Monica Carey Jim McNeil George Totman opened the Planning Board meeting at 8 : 45 p . m . GRAVEL MINE application by Louie .Wolf and Richard Tillotson : Discussions It was determined it would benefit the town , county and the people by providing cheaper gravel . Deis located on a county - road . The county inspected the road and the bridge tht traffic would be traveling on and determined there was no problem . The county has no reservations at all ; they passed approval with no prejudice . Truck entrance signs will be required to be posted meeting the DOT standards . Mine operations will be limited to the daylight hours . There was some concern bout the restrictions put on Roger Gleason for his gravel mine in comparison to the restrictions that might be placed on Wolf - Tillotson . It was determined that Gleason ' s gravel mine was on a Town road and therefore , subject to Town restrictions . Wolf - Tillotson ' s gravel mine was on a County road and therefore subject to any County restrictions . Letter from Loup Wolf to the DEC dated May 3 ► 1985 giving the narrative description of the proposed gravel mine was made a part of these minutes . DEC code 7093 - 30 - 03420 VERL RANKIN made the motion the Board approve the Wolf - Tillotson . Gravel Mine application with the f ollowing.., stipulations : 1 . Truck entrance signs to be posted to meet the DOT standards . 2 . Gravel mine operations will be during the daylight hours . 3 . Statement of May 3 , 1985 made by Wolf - Tillotson to the DEC will .- be a part of the motion . Motion seconded by N . OSTRANDER ; VOTE : All in favor Motion carried . PLANNING BOARD MEETING - 2 - November 19 . 1985 Special Permit for GLASS SHOP al. ication made by ROBERT KNAPP s Discussions No objections raised at the Public Hearing . Question on sign ; Sec . 351 ( ref erring to signs ) a business sign is allowed without a permit . There will be no outside storage . CECIL TWIGG made the motion the - Board approve the application of ROBERT KNAiPP for a Glass Shop business as presented . M . CAREY seconded the motion . VOTES All in favor Motion carried . GARY WOOD informed the Board he got a call from Gary Evans of the County Planning Board advising him that the County is about to construct a microwave tower on Sharpsteen Rd . in the Town of Groton on a leased site for the new - County Emergency Radio System . The County Attorney has ruled that they do - not need any building permit or permission from the local government . GEORGE TOT14AN asked if there was anything else to bring before the Board , having nothing more to present the meeting was adjourned Next regular meeting of . the Planning Board will be Tuesday , December 179 1985 at 8 : 00p . m . Respectfully submitted , Zr4gVet A . Palmer 1 I TuwN Or, GROiuN PLANNING BuARD Public Hearing , Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 PUBLIC HEARING on the application by Roberti Knapp for a Special Permit to operate a GLASS SHOP business at 754 Spring St . Ext . , Town of Groton . I PLANNING BuARD ( present ) OTHERS PRESENT wu . Totman , Chairman T . Robinson , Town Supervisor M . Post ,i . Graham , Town councilman wN . Ostrander , Cor . Secretary G . VanBenschoten , Town Councilman wu . Twigg L . Sovocool , Town Councilman wV . Rankin C . Pierson., Town Cierx wM . Carey L . Cornelius , Town Highway SUpt . ,i . McNeil G . Wood , Town Zoning Officer R . Knapp T . O ' Hara I G . TuTMAN , Chairman , opened the Public Hearin at 8 : 3u I.g p . m . by reading the attached published LEGAL NOTICE . . TuiMAN : I open the Hearing to anybody that has a question or comment . ROBINSON : Would you explain what he is going to do ? TurMAiv0 He is operating a business out or his garage . He is doing repairs worxing on glass , broken windows and such . The majority or the business is done away from home . He is using the garage more for a warehouse for eauipment and supplies . Once.- in a while someone will stop in for repair work . He does not expect to expand at home but to expand on the road . ROBINSON # ' Is he going to have signs ? KNAPP0 1 have a sign but is is riot up . I ' m not going to have a permanent sign . I have one that i sometimes lean against the tree or pole or bird feeder . Chances are 1 probably will never have a per- manent one . TO*rMAN : You indicated before that you have enought business now , you don ' t want to advertise for more . �.; PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING - 2 - November 19 , 1985 KNAPP : I have more than enough business now . WOuD : You have have the sizuation . and why he is here , I have no comment to add . TV'rMANs. All the neighbors were notitied or she meeting and none have snowed up . PIERSON : There was ' a complaint than there were a lot of vehicles parxed there along side or the building . 1 understand the lot is 75 teet frontage . KNAPP : Yes , PIExSON0 If you happen to want to expand later on where would you go7 Tu'1'MAiv : Obviously can ' t expand there , he has 225 feet depth . If he wants to expand cannot expand on that site . . KNAPP : There is no way 1 would expand up there . The vehicies are my own . My son owns two and I own three . He has taken an apartment in Dryden so two of , them are gone . T(jiMAiv : If there are no other comments or questions I declare the Hearing closed . 11 MARGAHET A . PALME.R , DO CExT rY that in the matter of a GLASS SHOP appliction by ROBERT KNAPP on 754 Spring St . Ext . , Town of Groton on Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 did take the minutes o = the Public Hearing and the foregoing is a true and exact copy of such Hearing , to the best of my ability . 70 �� I I Thjf�° e Town Board 10 : ERECTED ,. Y t e o Town of Groton ................... +E. 101 Conger Boulevard Groton , N . Y . 13073 LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF GROTON PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the Planning Board of the Town of Groton County of Tompkins , .NreTT YorI, , will r: olii a Hall , Public hearing at the Town 101 Conger Boulevard , Groton N . Y . , at 8 : 30 Po me on Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 , for the Purpose of considering application by Robert Knapp of 754 Spring P g Street Extension for a Special Permit to operate a Glass Shop business . All interested persons will be heard , George L . Totman Chairman Dated : November 4 , 1985 TOWN Or uROTuN PLAivNINu BOARD Public Hearing , Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 PUBLIC HEARINu On Lhe application by Louie Wolt & Richard T .LlluL- son for a uRAvEL MINE on Chipmans Corners Rd . Town of uroton . PLANNING BOARD ( *present ) OTHERS PRESENT ^u . Tolman , Chairman T . Robinson , Town Supervisor M . Post , vice Chairman .; . uraham , Town Councilman 4vN . Ostrander , Cor . Secretary u . vanBenschoten , Town Councilman *C . Twigg L . Sovocool , Town Councilman - v . Rankin C . Pierson , Town Clerk -• M . Carey L . Cornelius , Town Highway Supt , J . McNeil u . Wood , Town Zoning Utticer L . Wolf R . Tillotson E . Moran M . Metzgar T . O ' Hara U . TO MAiv , Chairman , opened the Public Hearing at 8 : 00 p . m . by reading the attached published LEuAL NO`tICE , TOTMANso The purpose of Lhis hearing is to hear all comments or questions from the public on the operation of the proposed caravel Mine . I open the Hearing to anybody that has a question . No questions asxed at this point . Tu MAly : Mr . Wolt or Mr . TilloLson , would you brietly explain what you plan on doing . WvLr : Plan on taking our anywheres trom ten to rive thousand tons of gravel a year . Ia will mostly be sold to municipalities . Tu,iMAN Does anybody else have any quesLions ? MORAN : Has he been hauling gravel from there already ? TO!MAN4* They had a permit to haul 1 , 000 ton a year . In order to haul more than 19000 ton a year they need a new permit . MORAN : What is the gravel . for ? WOLr : Town roads , it is being bought by difterent municipalities . MORAn : It is accepted for state or county accepted gravel ? W�Lr : It has been state tested . This is used for sanding roads in the wintertime . MORAiv : In otherwords , it is sand and gravel . PLANNING BuARD PUBLIC HEARING =2' November 19 , 1985 WOLr' : We grind it out and there is sand with gravel lets over . MORAN : You have a 7 WuLr : There was a portable one there . MORAN : I was under the impression when you submiLLed a plan for a gravel mine you . had to develop something that is State accepted ; you had to tell what you were going to use - it for , a certain purpose . Can it be used for convreteY WuLtfe Any gravel can be used for concrete . MORAN : That is generally accepted for that •: WuLr : Not unless it is washed . MORAN : Do you plan on washing it : WuLr : No , we don ' t . MORAN : Whicn road will it be moved out onY WuLr : Chipmans Corners Rd . MORAN : Will that accept that amount of tonnage ? WuLte, It is a county road . TuiMAiv : When the Planning Board was notified of this application they contacted the County and the County came out and inspected the area and checked the bridge to see if it could stand the tonnage . The County gave approval for it . The County feels the trucxs would not do any damage to the road . MORAN : How big of a piece of property is itY TOTMAN : 50.. 1 acres . MORAN : What do you base your yardage or tonnage onY WuLr : Over what period of time ? MORAiv : You said one to Live thousand tons . WuLr' : Depends on the marxet we �' ha:ve• ; for it . Nobody knows how much is there . The estimate is 70 to 80 thousand yard . PLAN1vING BuARD PUBLIC HEARING . 3 - November 19 , 1985 I MORAN : Was it soil tested with a drill ? WuLr : No just what we tested ourselves . METZGAR : I came in on these fellows behalf . They are mining sand and stop` Cortland concrete are buying material from the same people I am . Customers complaining because the price is high and they are used ; to lower prices . They have to truck it in the same as I do or buy from another supplier . Consequently , the public created i this problem when they raised kane about mining operations . Now they don ' t like 'to pay extra prices . Nobody came forward to approve gravel mining . Gravel mining has to be to have i construction . These fellows are selling mainly for roads . I ,' m in mining operations and look at all the angles too . i TurMAiV : Does their land border your landY METZGAR : Yes . ` MORAiv : I think it is great but I wonder whether we have gone far ,I enough to determine what we are approving . TurMAiv : This is the second time around for the Board . The DEC approved I the first Lime . Now they have given tentative approval , waiting I to hear what the tuwn says . The DEC checked into it and came I up with no negative results . They are not going to give approval I I until the Town makes a. decision . The county checked into it and they have no negative response . That is the reason for the j meeting tonight ; to give people adjacent to the land and anyone I else in the Town to voice their opinion . Teresa , for the matter of record , would the Board make a statement ': PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING .4- November 19 , 1985 vAivBENSCriOiEN : There is no problem with dusi: ; there are no immediaLe neighbors or housing ; iL is and ideal hill ; she reclamation should not be chat much;: ROBINSON : There are no ocher public gravel banks available . MORAN : My main thought , is 1 don ' t know what you have to base approval on . Anybody could say ' I have a hill and I ' d like to open i up , ' there is nobody around , it looks like a good thing for sand and gravel ' . Is that all 1 would need to tell you ? TO`rMAiv : No , not really . In this particular case the Department of Environmental Conservation checked into it and have given their approval . MORAii : What would they approve ? If you open up the soil would some of it run into a stream ? TO'iMAN : What Mr . Wolf and Mr . Tillotson had to submit with the application was the terrain . of the land , . what they planned to take out , 'what they planned to do with it , what they planned to do with It after they get done mining it . After they are done mining , they will cover it back up with topsoil . ROBINSON : You can ' t mine without meeting all requirements first . MORAN : You talk about the DEC , suppose :they want to wash gravel . The wasn will rin sand and gravel into the stream . METZGAR0 No they would require a se 'Ltling pond for that . That is one of the things the DEC watches you for . ROBINSON : These are the things they check when the DEC studies the plans . MORAN : I think it is great as long as you consider everything . ' S PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING - 5 - November 19 , 1985 TOrMAN : It there are no more questions or comments I declare the Hearing closed . I , MARGARET A . PALMER , DO CEATIr'Y chat in the matter of a GRAvEL MINE application by LOUiE WuLr and RICHARD TILLOTSON , on Chipmans Corners Rd . , Town of Groton on Tuesday , NOvember 19 , 1985 did take the minutes of the Public Hearing and the foregoing is a true and exact copy of such Hearing , to the best of my ability . CF C#0 •f�.ici� r0y4y The Town Board o ERECTED Town of Groton dd ; � oton C o u MElko 04 101 Conger Boulevard Groton , N . Y . 13073 LEGAL NOTICE TOWN. OF GROTON NOTICE OF HEARING FOR PROPOSED GRAVEL MINE PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the Planning Board of the Town of Groton , County of Tompkins , iNew York , will hold a public hearing at the Town Hall , 101 Conger Boulevard , Groton , N . Y . , at 8 * 00 P . M . on Tuesday , November 19 , 1985 , for the purpose of considering application by Louie Wolf & Richard Tillotson for development of a gravel mine located on Chipmans Corners Road . All interested persons will be heard . BY ORDER OF THE GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD , George L . Totman Chairman Dated : November 4 , 1985 14 .day 3 ► 1985 New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Division of Regulatory Affairs , Region 7 7481 Henry Clay Boulevard Liverpool , NY 13088 Dear Sir ; Inorder to complete our mining - permit application for the Wolf - Tillotson Pit , our narrative description is as follows : 1 - Existing conditions , - This mining site is in the rolling hills area north of the Village of lroton , NY . The area is drained by intermittent streams which eventually run into Lake Owasco . The areas adjacent to thiamine are being used as cropland , woodlot , or have been allowed to overgrow with brush and small soft - wood trees . The mining area has previously been cleared of similar overgrowth . The nearest residence is more than five hundred feet from this mining area . . . 2 - Mineral type and mining type _ The mining operation will be a surface unconsolidated mine for the purpose of extracting sand and gravel from a bank containing a rather uniform deposit of material . The bedding of the gravel appears to be fairly level . I would assume that this is a terminal glacial deposit . There are or have previously been numerous other gravel pits in the countryside around this site . 3 - Mining method - Our mining technique can be described as mobile and short term . IL, Will be completed in less than five years and will probably not exhaust the available gravel . Our reclamation will be such. that it will not severly hinder future extraction unless the land owner wishes the site permanently closed . This is usually not the case . The small scale operation which we will conduct at this , location should - cause only a minimum effect on the surrounding environment . In that gravel is damp when extracted and processed , very little dust is generated . Haulageway dust will be controlled as stated below . Our machinery is properly muffled and will operate only during regular working hours . We will do no blasting . The site is situated such that there appears to be no sig - nificant erosion or sedimentation effect . If any , were to arise , diversion ditches and sediment basins can quickly be constructed . Our processing utilizes no chemical compounds . ( j Of ; rare ' , . ,� � d •„ �, rk a t � ; on • r` scav - L p .a. s . n ioa ers r Dn ; rally � e use n . r or fa: on t - end d i to a n _ l � n f „ r `� ur � � . . , de = = or f 'a J - ormed usirlo � O trucks ° rterial on anc? � o � n nil , be Per .f i directly in vrocessed ma e � ; ra ; ; - the crra `rel + ne materia - ant • The P floor . The a Lon o ; thou d ' : P screening Py • ously myned rocessingo tm w ' _ c ^ _ 11 rus!� ;- ng , ° r the previ ction . Pace vatiOn or c � toc `� piled ° n eratiOn extra Full e ed , at Sy is the oP a face • obtain wi = 1 t:^ en be ° nen of the mine ravel is ing-back various COM ? will move wiof the neededag . 1 d by lay stockp - 1 ilgue until- most ° uantity will be radient . will Cora the `final q reclamation g If we use which time the desired wash water • screenings the slope to ment uses no ers ; oversized e are used � equip crush uentlY • the ` s slope par processing as OPPOsed e greq things a J equipment ' O -P the proceSects for such We always Teen - r duct y tion Prod construction • If any sc - by - P - O used will be , .�aLThway recons filling or gabuable by - Prtaeytwill be on the heavy this t stabilizztion � preserve for screenings + be remined a r ° use or of be footed where they . Can attemp v use cann Mynediate tlOYl fill in an a dust , noise , as reclama es only a minimum of some future date machinery Great our portable effects • entrance will be the road which sm ° ��ce , and vibra used onthe site a gravel dust e only roadway location Piaow smo the Ihis 1 travel *ots of flake The Shown on theall ems small roadway ded sho s neCessarY t a probl surf ace • will be grhau ageway become read upon the this will be P ed of varlOs will from , chloride is comprissome of this calcium t this source overburden * etion dirt over extra tion The overburden o l and mining area Saved for reclamation esseS orading within the unt will be thickn for grading am be usedThe progresses • cover * � '_ O - T " 04- on u ; + - =' ecla ^^ a on Narrative As I have indicated in riy mining plan narrative , the details of reclamation will be somewhat dependent on the wishes of the landowner relative to the amount of mineral remaining in the source upon completion of our tenure . I have shown the mine configuration upon our completion ' as an amphitheater with a flat mine floor with sides sloping upward in the north and west directions . We have previously pushed back strippings ahead of extrac - tion and have sloped the mine face to a minimum 1 � horizontal to l vertical gradient during the final phase of the extraction . At this point ., the sections of the mine which are to be perman- ently closed , will have the adjacent strippings graded down over the face , covering these areas and the appropriate portion of the mine floor . If the source is depleted , this will occur over the complete site . If it is desireable to only temporarily close part of the site , the strippings in that area will be gently mounded with a small amount spread over the 'nine slopes , to aid in revegetation . When reclamation grading is complete , the complete area will be reseeded using reclamation seed mixture # 1 ( see attached schedule ) , except that haulage roadways , which will be useful as agricultural access , will be excluded from reseeding . Hay or straw mulch will be applied to sloping areas and others , where washing out might present a hazzard to revegetao_ i.on . _ ; . I �.LL._ �; ' - -- - - - - - -_ _ _ ��� '� _ _ - - -I a�� i �u...o ': �.i / � _ - _ _ . . _ _ � . _ _ �.