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1983-12-13
„ . y . , > \ All - c r 9 q a • j e , =� t ' S \ , +i S ik t , ) '�i qi , 'k f I i r t - L S S t ; , 1 5 t I M1y f ,3 "�. { a, Y. s. kt „ , i ' ,. t EJ. I. rot i�� n 1 t k, `p .� I Illr .. 4 . ` ti', ! a, , x •7” p t JV 2 . L* r ,� ta : '.a q51 �'. , i ' , + % n : I.or I E t" . ♦ Y , _ . 2 A "II t t .. • , N Q4 D , J • t, i> ( ! ttSi 1 .I , 9 , 1. t. L r i JS x ' , III, , fY a 7 Y i , i 1 , , rrFt J II,AII r .4. ^" vi J.. v . rr ' . .W {r .: y i , , 1 f. . 4N t , , . 'a . J I , .fy Jy'� t . II IL lIr II' Tr I IL j, y, 1'" t e : t : , tt a t > , µ' * TOWN OF GROTpN f ; i, ' ' `.. s 1 'L rtna k J `` Y fi Al.-. ' b. n ' .. '4 e 1 1'S 'N. t, ` . 1 , _ _ ' t ,1 r. 'd i a. R..,, L Y 3 , , , PI M ; PLANNING , BOARD ;t4 fti 1 I$ a e 3 . esd 11 Tu :Decenb r 1983, I ✓ 4 t 'l, •t 1 + I i t ' ,. 4: ✓ ( p1 a 1 e" •. � 1 # ii ", x r > , L ..i r, ' I L )` x �'yJ 6 �' ,` „J Yf . 3 ) ; o l t -+ II II I II , J f: " , 1 A- i t 1 . Y / t *, d yY Y Lt h . '• M . , , 1 ( = r x i , f 4 i.. Y ` t ,^ d t:•f i V q e; ' 7 'r. ° a et '" Y. ✓ .1 t w - IIIlLI I III ; BOARD ,:( present) r r F $ ` _ .' t , OTHERS. PRESENT I. II Io III o III I IIIII IA II 1' 1 = Geor a ': To,tman , Cha"iI r g , .Phil Shurtleff Roger.., Gle6Qon - TV' xce' Clhairman ' }: }, r1. ` ti t - V. , *'N'ancy : Ostrander + ' , Cor .' '', Secr,etaty AI ' '` ' III *J`ame ' McNeil ' h4'ich'a.e1 Post"` ' J f c , I , If It 0 yle .Ray.monc3 7 ,u ," . 4. 0. . ` , , � ' , : , 'J x �, y i . 4 t', h G'eorge3Totman � opened the meeting: at 8 : 15 pJ. m . r , . ,, " . ! r ,i n 1 , ;9•.t 1 a .;;yn t1 v . .. r .' rt, a r " ' nt I ), k,.. Nancy -:Ostrander ' made the ymo'tion . that the + mrn,utes of t;he i > t. ` No'vember 29 . , � . � ,, , .. i f_•' y `1 II : , - ; 19. 83 meeting be".• 'approve-"d' . Cecil I TwJi'gg secon, Ad .. ,4 the mo-t.iorr : tY :1 T ry a i"• L J =to t t V :' s J I :I i V " w r , a,. ., vy e r ! ? t k r Y s ',f r ti A . _ 4 ' t ' . . d, I o . e . . . . . � t , , t of r . Motion carried . t {. h: . t ,% t 1 II ._d. . V 4 ,N. , , ,AN. d , w t . 0.X, ..e r.. ° av ;. -I , I , I. II, . , r . ti{ ` , 5 Sh'ur - I A, : ; ' I am5 hhe'reA because I \ca'Alled; Bob4`' Brown to . as' k" ' 4 ? ' h,im if my : property" xo' n ` Rt 38 could ' b'e used • ford. ot!her t'V ro • Iisp1 a .1 „ f�' > 1C 5 i It+h ti" Cu \ i ,I wt an 'Agr` i ur u 'ores -A: d w 1 1 'I? t rp sai 'there were . ,, ne, J Y Zoning RegulaI 1ons '- and5IAhe woulds check arid " ge.t back II II " t. `' to me He` dyid 'a`nd'. he ?said thatyt . ` he" wasn ' t ' "suite , bait i 1 ., -- I ` , { ; , �, ; . ;;, , tha, tkt•if I'' r;d�,idn, ' t r. aise . ;'chickens� tthete for ° the next ` , I . II 1 C f S L 4 f Il f IT r P . : I . A :, 1 6amon'ths ,..-ether 4 , could raise .chickens' .`there at,;. all G it IV � h = asked rhm , about`i het Salt Rd , an`d Rta 222 property . At :.and he,. , s>aid if , I don ' t � cont'inue to ' opera "te #that - - that ' i e ; the . 1 t = „ 1j = , �Zoningy #had, . changed ,;, on Ghat ' ' toto , I • might :., not' ' be able' Jto use Iwlt::. When . I. rbought =the . property on R't3 = 3S; - d I 1'L" { ,t' . L d 7:. v r „ 'T a .,. 0. " , e .. d r rx•. , { and; Sahtr R'a . I I bought , t= because of ':' the way , it 'was ?• , U . „; zoned Now I ° fin , • out ' it . is not � ZO ed t'he "game, - • as 5 J s.'f t 1 , when „ I bought :r; it . ,,i Accord ing to Brown ;everyt`hing ' j „ ` , z 1 ,•f- �, changed . . . ; ha.yeA they o71d Ir%,P gy ; Ord rance, t and _ when I s " , .z F , I 4 ; ? f . bough" the: Crossroads +it gave me the r fight tos do II ri %- . > I a s 1t , a'lmost Nik anyth° irigte w about ' a °' permit T' , a`1`s'oT b'04ughtI IA A t , , ', the chrckent, . house for , agricvltiral' pur.pose s for ; ac " . , ' . On as' I wanted to a _ g Now he , tell , me it ., is + non I, v , >� , <• �� , co'nformirrg =., anc1 if I dom ' t° :64 : it ' for` a "ram "et per`io • 'i 7 fJt I " r •- } >t,im `. ' - X ' r , Y •1' �..':, i d ` .I. can,; t 1use ;tt for what i ' bough 't ` it . for•; ' Y, , , t ''+. ,, A LA 7 Vi , 1 , 'Kt i } .1 , -a "j . l, t �`1 ° t ii. 4 I• ' 1Ii ^. t r I' 1 . ,, .. �, aTot,man If your have a =non `conf'ormin,g use and: let, kit . sit k 'i '' vacant` ' for . a, -. i _ I year , the; . use ceases : To my knewled,"ge Kj what .y' ou farce 'saying hac not , chan;ged ,' " from 'tti'e old . !hq - Or 1'n a � ' 'J d nce . , , r .G L t Y L 8 t S1 . ii ti A a � b Y - r µ, It > " L ' , \ -5 IIII L •' ' - _ , ! t A 4 lu t t oII .Y ]' , r %". t a ,I. Y., r!( 5" q , " "YC` ,t , Lt=' A '"t> �' :r'`r d ' . �' ; r Nr'r . e J y.' Yt :rJ+ } ii , 9 J . IkIII I. i + * , I. , . tF 1 `" ,) AN h ''.!t rP ! t 'r, . 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" 1 1 .' y �� ., , + 6 fi Shuntleff He sa•it� »y anged ',IL : ou ' t Z nin � f o k S ' > , n r 4 Div t S t ch h g Z r m; € c t It � , : . al Rd `ld e , o : r 1 1 .Y- '' r v �", ° 1 , r 4 ` r ��•' ,J'Pk , r er .. �} r ! , 2" .. Ty f : t{ ( . n ^x Y r. f r< x ' .:, ; . <.y , . L y 'v' ` . r i J 4i7 ,tii ;, : y r 1,,: ,. gf , � ,IF }< , GI'e_ asonl' : �- Heigh r`Inten� it-y , stops " a �t . Lic;ke„`S 't� th•e=n , 't , becomes `� r it ih � I I a # . t , M'ed 1•Um Intens' ty • ' yt }i , C r ..l ' 1 ti� p r ; p MY 1 Y r . •�' 1 . 1 r- °1 ! s u e �p1 l 1 ITT r 1 % �r Add . 1+ J 4 t L t 4 J . .v ,1 r; 1 PI ) Ir r r r '. , .- r L • : S ?,. r ' rI `" ' , , Shurt lef f : r v,r s , There �i^e :no c' lgnger any : = 3 Yphafse` :`-zone . x �, r f r .,, : . ..t "1 t ( y. r , . 7 _ µ r f 5 er a , Sr, J M r y 1 / l. . ✓ I,J 4 'a ' 1T� 4 . � fi 11 -Z ir1 1 , I 1 / �T , y-, 1 . .., ¢ }y .4 ^,1 }tip t� 7C A ^;1 T - +. 4 .A , I� 1 I I r . e ^ , `! ° . , t 4 Totman , This ' s " k � �° � 1 a , f , changed in Augu , t . of ha . t ear K I r, ll �,r ,' l ' ,. f, T.:'! S - N r,, . f I v=i M . r.- . t ! .�A1 •, p n o r 1 `if'=. . 4 I t . ' 'tJ ..v . i ' 1 a l ., f i - y I t , . 1 rt 1 , �,• e ' ♦ 1r F. r yI t `i,. I i r Y . 1 • , ��, ' , . ;� ,`Sfiurtle 'ff ; ' Why� chap°g:e it = anyway Did . .rpeop.leask ,,for the �� ir j f ,v . t a I , t r ,Vfi' NET IT , A, 't �- t L Yw � , ,I , I { change ? x ' � f- ' 4 ; * v i #_tt L r ( , i •i i,` t T i k: t t-r Ftr r f t O •rIt 1 lk{' } if Pl ' % 1, v e { ?• , , r +`ie T } s S s y:+i l a 1 1 . V' r Y r -- F .r r ". 4 x Y i . .' , a Y n ii r , . 11 l i - i E ,r / { ' 1 �l .o• 1 Gt_ s 7 ,�', , . . `i f` . t . r7 ., t •rt�'i;. C 'r L t� r 'y} r F r : Y p:'.r 7:. r ,_ J r v r , � ,Totman . Gp. � . fif 4 XT t y ek 7 ' . iid, fL , # t r� + ` I.,,'..1 1 . . I r,; ? r rI t,. C," t' o ..T } ✓. , �. . �} a " �' J •� , F. # f f , is f �r z,.',- t 1: r" �' ! .�'i , "" tk NS " ;. . .4 t~ v ' tom` �' i 1 = ' f. 4 P 1 r ,: rr J' ' . ` - urtleff :r � ; Who , in' phis area ? rk ' ; K� '* t i• , i - • , r ' . , IT r „ ! ';•• . {*• -yi t 11 s ' i r C P y .. Y i.4�iV Yr ! i r >. ; t - • 5 y •' 1 I y ' ', 1, i 3 .1 ,, ` , r • t' Y '1 r' . 1 k 1 i t " Totman� u,ONo:t .> lh:.-Ahis parltIiculars . area:. 1 t �` , ' l S t ..} •, 4 , , 1 e„ '6 „ t r - N' f t , $v , t L A' i ^ rY Y ' • - , r . I'r J # d� i � } , .r j } r r+, t t }\r . p , •,� Yt ,n .�^i , x f ; ` 6Y „ r , 1 x Shunt le`f fy ; I` voted for the � or. •ig ana l zon ingl• ' I " f iQ' ured ^1 1 . r, p t er r J t u Y -, ' 4 „ r LJ i k' .{ i i } 'r•. . ` psome' zoning ,wart better than:' , no ` zo i ' ' 'r set a ' i n n ,x`We de x' } , , from tr.he V "ltl"age toA Salt Rd : as IHigY'r' Intens, 'ty ` aridr of i t . < 1 1•( . ., , at Irl„ d, 1 7 r ! A t _ fs Indu �,t•rial rPar.-k � alrrd Recreation Land :' Th'ree , 'phase: ' S 1 , . bl' • t " s } ., r , r } , ' r came= up to Salt , Rd :_ I °•bou h °OIs . ,- t that ;.palace•:, with ` the: r a >ic3e ` „ i , Jr , t d v �y a of making a machf' ne efiop . t t :=I had , no '' , deat,,of' 1 L{ I .. , r , �� � t , Oing 1 � 7 . tf d . ♦ r r '� , . " g , out �Ofi buSiness here, , , J � _ r } r ♦II L f. . 1. .• ! , - v .f r *�, . t " 1'y`Y r c i i . AT 1 r �„ r . r `yi . .. . rt Ly s: tf t T ` J t .. a7 .N ter , t Totman ,I +What are you planning to , do with' �th`at tp op t• � , j �, ', r er y , ' a . t r - I r ' f .. 1 X i , , , r ., ry yj + flf ,5 Jf r r Is - 6 , ♦ t , D ! • y nr r �• . r C :!r T ; Shurtlef f : r I` ' don '. t�`akno'w 'for s:ure I would: not . have bought . 7 ;T had r w , ; ° ¢ _ notfIthad reth , d14fferent option' r C r CI ry x y 7 r,. r,. f . , ,K s r 4 ; T, • , , : d £ 1 t •} f , r A 't. tv • 0J .ti I } } ' .� '•< i r+ i r. i� Y O •ry f' r� I ' '• Tot'inan ; s The inten Id`Lofti ' t ; the new Ordinance was , to make , it eas �e r to do ;;whatl-?*peop`le wanted to`''Tin -t'he Town of ' Gr.otojjL f Y , y , �= In the old ; Ordinance certain zones were :`zonEd fo:r `s � ', A ' �� F 'i r y : it 1 t� 1 1 i I •• t r• di r , •. , ,'w, t ` spec,if i'c things and ; you ; sou=ld • not do`14 `,th' n " ' ,e1Ge r r ` tit f M rn' those. r anY; g , , c J t - r zone . •_ Whrat we h'aye done 'now- is g;o.ne to X , s Ha Cite. Plyan Re � ie'wc� , , 4 r,:' , G.. , . r , ,E .. . �. Jugs about ,ever'yt in•g in - a the G now es ,tt c 1 ' emits`' r ' ,; r • . T Sp 8 P o:I go O e 1 y r 4 t b 4 i •- A po r N f{ � . .� r r , r ' rL� ti• �' nr r �. , •r• y.., J r « ° _ ' 'r. Shur . 1,II , r My point "I .:IS you ar'„e ta,king �,iny rights away 'f'r.'om me . I bou ht ; thrat t t ; r 'd Y g , , , . , properI ;; with:° cer. tairi tizon n �j " ;rag a's f e �� 7 a"n ll t, - Y b it : was .; wort - i1 14 0 ;me to: do rthose different •;t`h ngs �r Totma'n • If . you : cease "wh:at you were (doing on , a # non con'formir y y ^ } t property , ..t.hat is - the` 's. ame .;asr in any•town 1 . i Lt + t '✓. } x } ,' t'I'i f 4 i ; r . f P .1 . . .' Shurtleff ; , It was ° zo'ned for different purpos.e �, ' the { :. S o. : s o at +, belting • if price f^ chicken ' fee stay; where 0 t J ; t a r t ,, . •e 1 ` f { r , } t ' is .I don° ' t r�put chickens yin irr; rsix . : mornt`hs ` ' . 'I can 'tt 4 J rJ� ral � cr ' r , a er chicken . there , Y „• . f . yI N , r . l1 .l 1'f ti. , ' fe [ + , I,.. r` i 4 • . . f :? t t t • % . . R ' tip , i s•' i ' Twl{gg : Not after 'a. , yea;r of ' '1non -_ use ,, , r f �! t ,. r r l xx r . i web +. u i ' r r - '1 r, f '! l.' a _ ; 1 j 1 -! . ' " , F rciA, i Y, r i .4 r � i t o � 0 1 Y iS ,q � / P . • , , •. C 4 f t ♦ t"?t 1 c f 7 r a , L ' 7 i x;. r ' . t F t' ' F . , v - _ C. ' x - ' r f v air t . s . n1 . I 5 tlf y' t" ! � . y . r . 1 ; '. .r}: �, ! . �, • y r . � . S J t 4k r - w } . • a ' r - • . J �. , , y .• p 1 = [ _ it Y 1 l - .' ` ff r t . * I : Y 7tY a aJ ,'4fL'r''. tt -c t - + R ,I { t t a 1 .1 .' T I ' I ' " , t It , r J u = N ;i $, ", , i t t. III If 'I . -� •' . ` y n I.I+ I. III AI I Il. rI I"II I .aF .iFI IIrI.I I. I 1 F.lIA oP II II I. .I jaI1,II IIFI,.I Ii 4.. t j .. I. ' , P• , Y - A a i, . .. x, .j+. t , ;t:# ( T4 4i a - ' , . � T . J • ` J IoII II II FI II I II IF I i. AIII- IIiIIIl IiII J r a t ' r+,>, +a tt:' r tf ,� R 4 +w y y ,A F „�� , . .. 1 ` f F J. k . -. i a { . Y , A ' 4t t • • - _ T J F . ' Shur ff : ° , 'I don ' t inttend to , get '; ar, permit ' for what ' I , Jp. + . 1 `T a S 1t - A. �o s << ; ' , orig,i'nal'l intended to -- u �.e ` the - 4 <" _ % , ? , . = J ` f -3'� _ . _ :AS ,a ' Pro perty�.•' for :: IrII ' ,Twi' Y II gg . , The new Ordinance makes for more fliexib :i °I * ty , L,f M 4 i ` r` aA ` 5 youuwant to put a1 . shop '; in ,there , itG no`t . a _ b'ig ' lob ;. ,. t 'r r a _• o d o' 0 . Y tc n I _ ' .-r = G t ), r . , tf ° ' ,' ` 4 Shurtlff • I wo.uldt riot fh'ave : bou h. , g -t them if ' I .had not . "J w `f - } thought T .had 'the :r`irg,ht to ., do ' what : I wa,n.ted to . ,^, h . r "$ frr++r„ .. ' >•l Y :. .A r 2 .�' . c11 . . .n ,Lee, , I . ` _ .'r. . ` ,r. '.: .r t . r. . i . , t. '•A•. f r ',;.a GTeasono. ` --S;upposi,ng .4fo4r • inst' nce' = under. - the 0 .10 Z.o'ning. , . ; r Y r t .Ord finance you=` had ; °<your ' bite in there: Ifo'r t I ll ur oGe � that. are .`oka g: ' , ;h ) P, tp I + Y , ' If. you - wanted to put pigsA x in ' and rlt -` wa's - not , ;on ' ffe list ou`` could - no`t .put wA ~ r ' the i t w " `if Y m n the e . No: you;' come to.. the :Planning t " ! •N * , I t Bdard `. ab I ptitting£37pigs .in rdt-her a . ' we ` can a:pprov:e it` tifor you whether � it was on ' the list 'or tnot:.. I L- t :Er „ 'rye c , •1 .,n n A ? 4 _ - + ' 1 !� t . : w is } .. 1. ' F ,t ' � ..-# `r a t tI ' Shurtrleff •" ` Well` 4; . , ', Iand •'good for '.the 'future for 'f lexibility,_ . t , "t . II ' ca I see At. if :: I bought the ' place .' and they � .' zoning `� Qa d I ' ` coulc3 use 4' it' for ' certain .pure© ses ` ' ` yr , 'll I - r .k. , s t- Rt , of , ' J:; I ,= cao' ' t do : that 'no:w . j t ' . a i z = s .` 1 ., ^ I. i R ,I f i Y tit 1 (* , y J r " t r 1 . a To: tman ' A +When this ' originalYl`y ` 'happened. ,a `the ':Town : Board ' - ` e II , �,'ch`argeda the P1annJin ` Boa`rd 'to draf` z ` tt a new .Ordinance , A . g • y .. ie Planning Boand gave th'e `- dra'ft4to the ' Town Boarrd ; `° z °thYe Board deed I �, ° {. I .I . . t es : whether to prays it or' ' not . f . of r Before `the:y can pass t' aand act it `into law ythey Mr _ F ;, Ie ' Nave �a" Public Hearing , ;which ` they d°id last G` „ J • '.. ummer; . ' J What° qou � a 'reA saying, now sho.urld i have :;be`en said at ;the ..: J Public Hearing last' summer Our charge now is, f i t v ' 4 'y t 'R r fit. R 1( r t .. f • a t O eLl� `I IA ' 1 ` fo-llow: this law `. 1t ` f " r f �It t � + , ..!a > . . , r 4 ' 1 t 1 f it rI : . t : I .q IF % + = td �r: :.,lal . YL 1('nt7 y J -' . A 4' y yr` , Sh,' I I f ;w; . r' I `f you taike atnybod4.ya' s right away from them 4' r � 1 y > should , be , erved with �a '" a A the 44 - . a paper .. o you know what 1Q hap enin ' . 1 - A11 <''�]our ' farm ond1 rtecideln ;tial user; y.. , n = 1 , vt I are ` ! M' g ki ' :�1 ftiS t, x, 1 I t t : , , II have , ,,aken ,their fights 'away , h woru d no. t . have ' r ,;; r ' r , _ ,aA ;;rt bouught tYioefbauildings ha;d I thought . I , wo,uld , lo; e zY F ; 4 µ w t . ar ri ghts to use "them in ;' some :manner If, to e` prise i Y V . 'r i p l of= 'Jfeedi, ,sJtays - like �=it is we �Nmay, not . • ra se > chickens " ^.1 =' I t`- . til ;, . ?Rtr there � I should not have to coiric to. : ou : to reGume a• :K y.. +"7" r a ' -. ti` x . u ,:,, J r y y - -'•: ^ f operations . rw I °.was ,.zoned le,gall n f n _:: i of If x' k y . . .+'+ , $tc ar a 'Y a ,r { s t i t o N I ` t e ,' 1 . 1 ` 1. = S n m {t r. > tii E .r Iz �f x 3' -.., t Y y .: i l t o Gleaso"n rI , �4 r fv `, A, x -4' 11 was ,, medium interiQitI before . ` , ( r. eferr 'ing ' to ` . . `^ :A i j . . Y u.' t ''r4 'j. �Rt, . '3'O " ,'f . '"r. LJs)' S : ire ' . p .a d •t ' '.a' J £ F S Y Fi '• i, Al 'r •�y. < e i A " " r n 1 .� _ y., ly tt ,�, l �' c, , ' /h '€ 7 I' . r r ' tfl< Shur- tleff : K' hatV I. , ,am :hope=ngt I4 to interest : somebod in t r r < y !: ' , 4 ' : } 3 ,. • ay x:kF f' 1 + ' / . y. , a t n a o r + : ` ` ,a ` g ,. hop . he,r,'e to ` et fo`ur' • r % xf five ' eo le a ' 4 ` K xt'r 1 + 1 ; J a , M .:y zJp;b' • . { ' II"' won, r' t Vicar aboutj ;makim t moue on i't I would , roe. tI r , like to � ee. At • g Y ^ { , , t 4. somebody wor,;kingr there . I would . .not 7 , y b ti ^,,^ « up , A CI, ,bought, it if t;he , zo;nin:g had; not ; said' , • I , could ' ) l •. U ri do:' these`✓r t`lingG , � ,' , r . V . t . ' No,w fIA fin'dY, out the zon In g7. w'asl t = r' , , ., J r. . T ,f^ `x taken away, { .tr t S n � PK •N r I Ili 1 L k ' f. n ♦' (q J:.tFL AY=It Y t.-^J b• + Y` !- t 1 r r &. { M a ,lt: t r W, • * . :-t III £ _ _ ` , i t' Y.' rt 1 .Y a � r J a' rrr -,id; rVie i '. 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II ♦ ,4 L. a .r 'i ,.N. ; . P , IT-I'V6III - II IoV. oI r ' t d ••'c° r - T II II II 0 II I IViPI I. I ° Gleason; : That srr exactly why Swe .;changed .'it . • Groton 'sr III:I pI III II y going . to ` grow ,and : growtha,t way; that is, fwhy, it . , , ., was 'changed to. ' ind :ustrial : Under ' ,t`he o'l,d law ;` f you h_ad .,.pec - thingG youY could d'o , these • You:_ y r r . , :. "'s • have ; I ct ' as . much ,lati:tude > . n (I0 The )= onhy rth.ing l kt - , ` It is yoiz creed a 4Spec,ial Permit: , :The :reaGon;• we wEnt ^r , , 'r Y u , R to . that w.as to open ' up . any ;p : -aceD so nebodv wanted Sr ° , • �� , to . ' do„ 'somethrn'g 'they could ` ' tAl'14 they" hadr to: do °wasp' ' A I, . . ` v< ' •w n n g 4 B Q'I ' ^ ♦ � e. .• f + fi .- r j Y 1 . } . r r- II ', J, hr:. .d , -come : to the ) P3Ia �n o, arrd .f r , t . � 'l _ r Ard ` "• t Ir 5 r 1 , e r . e + 7 c4 ( i • . s t ♦ ' • ' " f r S J t1 Z y ' . Ie, }F, ) I , 't. it 4 S Y ! , el e :1 I+ - i tic f3o i d - ' 4 Shurtle, ff ^dhave � nor' ualms [with ;,Ythat I ,lust don see o f . � t Fr i r . 1 " , D . '.,{ • IMrr I how' you can , 1d e7 4;my , rights ;away,: `', r `r y6 I V' i . f. ]rl >. - ' h J v '- r •e . •.rf r r . °? r - f : i / „� Gleaso•n our inten"t wa � > to :give you more rights ; ' the :whole . . i i 'f ; ; r ' {, Town 3 . { ti .:.� r .r f j5f ' t ,< d d I . F - ,• ) +♦ t h r Y -` 1 . + _ l ..} - , ♦ k 1 , rY , t; r ,. I ; Shbitleff = I fdo; I ,t - Gee that � Uniler ) the " o; ld Qrd rnance .r I ^' If ,, I _ . 7 :r, V ,V zon,irig ' I could do anyrtY in`g _ I wan,ted; ', to :`do; . ' J o y ''.µ od ... r 4. ,. 4 S v. 3 +r r} . f [ 1 �'` ,' I: t . J• 3 '. •_ ° f n f f t .. . 1 J Ir 6 r ..( I . ' V r�. ,Y y) _ , a , �.,� • f e . V c r I . . q . II IT Iv II II II Gleason • ; Not . realy , you think you have a , comprehensive klist ; TI III II 1I,I oIf4 II )- a e �. •a i , ..I - 1 r , S . ;v i r1, ,r C is !' i s i . .^ } , oI ,. 'IWmfIII I . 3 we found as we° w'emt raTong , people would ;;come 'in II II o III IIIo II tII III II IIIrII ItI '. t n hb n;,s m � ; h ri r , . w`i h `sat , ewe ' °'had of t ug'ht = of ; o e,t g: that ° , . . ` , n D T . • ` '[ , rD ` ' as not on the< 1'isl ;th'ey could : 'not do ' it The new , It , r <: I ) ti�l : r P r t , i „ x . rogram is > , i.f it is , compat: able'- we grant you- t a " . , ,+ R _ I permit lto ado it . It ie rnot' a, : big thing, . You r i « < , - ; ti come ins here ;to the Planrriri Bo_ and p a . R•. F f [ U ^ t V. * +r . a :y . x ) . ~w. 51 . `-• r •, b h i . ' f• 1. I II Shur + - I : b, h•If ' I. wanted �J t'o` s I ". th t ropert si I would I: ° i T a 1 I ., r1 III :. f+' r . .. J, J Y q , .X r S•. e •. �M - w d o tfh i,: _ , t yM1 h t o f o;u a he wan a `•` d I ave n'd t h rt` t to w t rl , 4 ,_ - ` x 5 r r r v ~ •, f % . • �• n i t yl " A t ") ' , Gleason,: ; ' The u I pbuying.r it would hale to f in'cJa oEu t y 9 g Y , fI . , . . , % t ' � ? ^• !! •:- T'. Y M ,�t. 4 ✓ .•,� F 'k .13'• r o- IJ r D .• r r i, Y] .S + . 1 yr • ! F r y1 + ITti. a.. e1 `' M '• ` Tr ' ff ` v 7f� tof � , ,n~: f Y .,,er J '. •r (+f �^ , i ..+._ \'. ,. t t l = Shuraaeff You : ;dic]" ahe .s;:ame ',thing to ;vVme . - d Before I ' - t 't AranIfer 'it ''to ' himf. . . :: . . because I was 'conformityp- rf r > I': shad , the - right �to do ;anything ,,=the.re Now -I' } can.' tr •`` i I L T ., „ 4 without a ;' Permat . w . ' ,; : t I• .J a t ., � y1, " `~4 t r r f v,y t r F`>v 1 a��,�i� , i ''�';'.;i• �' °. e±,e. . S • r ` + . '( {i v " ! Gheaco.n T.he ro ert = ''o'n 'Rt:yt38 .is in- ' the .•� F•lood e�azard Zone ; {., P p Y r s .: r. , s hi de e i ez° ' •S � y s by - th �t n r es T at t rm ne . ate a d . Feder"al ul <, B:y putt;ing that ,in;, thE .r_ e i gides 'you more `flexbili;ty : r d 'y r ' . , .t a v . e Y „ R D Y°! zN 6 �Be.cause of the-Id I rood Zone we hard , to, � rdo certain . . i 4 a ` . T ' "` tItiing with, thla .t .: �: Youoare better zoned ,•; now.:` I <There V . ' } 'f_ z t Yrt ` f t .rJ Gf.it., r �Y ` ) fi' rM r,'[aYT J11 t ,^.� (.' f �'�, Ff ; r, - ,v `'1 'S •., . a 3 f ,, . •` q . F, t are a lot ' ofthin s ou canrdo .snow r f - ( r tt P hV} ,x ' '. .g, Y . v z ,,,, . e v t d , • + r •. I r t u Y + - a . ; - S , . - , by . ^ - Tootman What e'an we do f, ytou ' t r ht � = . , , , ° r g .. r i - ,r' r y y J t ., ! •.T> 1 Via ' '£ WI 'SF re r .- i t , l(. t "� C v` r f } h .'it ( M C' '�i o on ° e '1, t •• 0 1 , ♦. { '� 'F1I - IIS fJ !i, F y 1 R t. I ^ •' 4• 4 , •' t . . . r •. 4 r 1, n, :.Shurtleff : ° ' r� I , want to' make sure B`ob "Brown :.told t e, dr t . i I ° , = ! He said I ':m non conforming : = 0 If: 'I `wuit , ''for : a year >tfi w a 1 . r ,. , I_; need permiss:io 7 >to . It ba'ckf I . tt . i'U be't you ; : ' ; t, if" I want ' =`to raise ,: che.-ckens.' a year 4from now d d v J .t , - r r i t •''• • • • - c yr : :., ., f ! I. r 4 „ S f • r d.•4t MJL ^l 1 i, , l ) ' ' 1 � ) 1< f Totman ( c : � - r t I .t i , y like a irepai 'r, „ hop yor; a ' gas , tatrion . A `I Y ' gas s_tat°ion was ' 'on ; as cbrne'r b.eforer , 'the <�zonidn law ' y ,r r M , , r3 a 2 { f J .' - • f t 4 f y, y. ... 4 ( ( .i i r i r t _ 3 e. 1 ' ' ` • 'N t t �• 1 1 Y 4 •� C Y S . . , f ti ^ } ✓ ' ' o♦. ol } , r i i J t J , rR' •I� - I s r .. '-, : 1 I T. 1 A l4 e L '4 ♦. { . i I . . f ,y K I . t r C „ - .. �' .4rw'~�'a - } - ` Y , - 4 }. . {a v ♦' J3" ' • . y n, . . II II I. III ' �, x r . ' u r 3 ♦ J , i ` r, to , ,' f a r et 1 .- f a 7 , a '^r ti x • I , , i w ,, ,' t , , 4 ♦ t f u v II I1 - i tt �� ; . , +.- t r 1sr t F try . rr ` i '4 j S tr ", - II • ' P - t t P. - s The Zoning ,`, Law ;. co;mes rn and makes the tgas station :, YII I;te r , w i11 gai' • • AG - long a�.3 `.they' : •are operaaing: ` it , Nis okay . . , ;. , I If it, closes 'for .a ; year it ' is Ynot legal.` + for that , f . r , r T , , L. L area _ anyrmore . j' t > , n J I y + • - . �1.� 'R t i ,{ t - k 1. c i ' , , ,. I� } Shurt1eff s t I can 't. t,. . �'tudq ' this , I can" ' t b,uy a book ; /41 4 Y �. .. T - + k , ° x r {4r, e ,J , i ' s ` ,, t . . ° . . . ""A Tt % t '`^ 1 t , r [ Ostrander . They:; are not :, pr'Tinted . 'Jryet .' ' They are orr, the; •. . n tif, y ,_W a,y Is - ' I :' . . . r + !3 : Y ' r - S . + - ! . I f , . j i ry , 3 it j Shurtlef-f ' , Up 'on theSaht Rd . it was zoned; for - .commercial , ! . , r . . e - - r - . r uses` If . I h,ad tany ', „idea , ; you wou d ;take that' right ' , , sway : from me , . tTwigg . -' ' I , 'don ' tthng we have ; taken that right `away ., from 'y, ou ' `r Wet alke ' -a because tYiere= were; things 'thby bo ,u d t that . y , , •l. fit Y ' h 'coulvd; ,not; do :because It was ndu�`trial that ,it r l , ' l ; why t; t , was changed . Wanted more :f; lexib`ilit-yiut "_ ther-e t : + At " • N i a 4 + A4 ' , r '^. i r '. eT 3 :•, t I ' - + ' l ! 1. ' _ - r j t Shurtleff • ^ ;We sold 'a lovT iL stuff ' out of ' ther,e . My bo, y , ` . . • ' n and I' take rthings Ather,e , t-hey , 'may 'r";'set>: for 3 or, 4 •` _+ inontfis tYen the `° et` Gold i ' y � g . :;t ' Wh'endbough .t it` wa _ zoned, for al"1' things ° comme'`rcia'_I0 I bought : the 1 :zoning with the land . '' I � ,can ' t,`Isee5 >hoWZ. you : .can ... x 4 ' . to - ta'ke :: tha+tx awa"y fr`om me '• iYou did , no',t' have to • have ' ' -♦ 'a ' pe 'r'mit before . - . { IIti � ,> •d ; . + Nl r , Toitman ' e When . Lahe fora inal '. Or �3 ,ana'ce ,went in people in AN V R o N. I. A. LIII rNzI II ' certain areasa3: were caI e'd =;non 'conforming ' S =this °, ' was ti TegRaT . If itthey . ceased _, kto . operate the' non . A r ;� • t , conformity fors a -yea r , O'it'• ceased r to , operate for : +`ir� t t than`" area ' t ' ,t1 r ' r . .t y - tkr , + t l , ". - , 'ra 4 . . . tp. a 7'.r . r "i,J- > Y t y > t a . I r • i e Yr✓ "➢" VIT 4�i $7 +, ',A I' i ,sl Y' ij f ¢ Vie. . ➢ t 1.1 , ♦ . , t a f 1 1 kv, N i rf t - I •-1 0. t � ' Shur. tleff ;q = ` So f �I< �Edon '1t raise chltkenst = for ` s°iLx >mont'h� t, •Z . . :'; those .people tracrocQ � t-he +,rofad ° scan tray I `` can ' `t raise chik kens9 , � 4 � , " ; ' t' x' t r � j.. X i , + � ,a ., 4- rt .�i v , , Y , : Totmari : t , : What ' your Braying is you do< not, w,antr tof ;come in and tl ,, ; I. q II aL apply for; a " Special Permit : It is they same thing ' you, voted for " in ° the original ordinance:;., + f r r t 'Ti. rf 1 ;.}41 Q4 ,, W x + ' ♦ r IJ s 1 r,rt j r . r r 1 y 4 S c t • " `Y :T, F t`a t` t u r` i N :: t n. ''A.y;,t i+N •n �. - i J : - -✓ a + T -. Shurtleff : , The only ;' opposition we had° i h x t en wa .. fromi :the ' * de.ni<; Hull people`R Tthey 't +had n ce G + trail'er . . tqi _` d . ' 1 Jy -.+ ir.,c fi�S ,: . ' •4. � t3 L -rr '4 5 N+!j'Ci "+ f_t' rN f .. , t + .. r 5 1 t s 3 r ,p' - t t , r + ?otman : The Mobile Home ` Urd lance was separate .° . Everybody _.AI om ng ` h" c °, t J . had c ethi t a:t ' wa � ' non - on` orm 'ng : art that time I, +x ` � .? , ,, 1lhe wereq in. .-,the Q' ame ;s . . q, w Y ituation you ' are': now ` •t r t t1 `_ + t r " x i aA ' II . 4 ' 5 _ I 1. + tt{' \ fjtt y - II. I , All the ara es were non co f '. g T 1 . Y g n forming atr : ,thatry ' time . . " , , . ' - l + .4 wh + 'y 1 1 If !. , •4 • ' •1 I t A 1 :II V ' ' ' T n R " ;, ': ' , Shurtlef=f : In the +Real Estate , buFiness you think of th'e " ; best' , poss bie ` use. `;for ° land It is ':commexcia'1 zo,nedk r , .t from Lick `Street x 3own '+ :to tthe ' village line ? ' tiers r ' I T,o t'm an.: y t`Yeto . - ' ..3 ; IN _•Y „ [•r . ; , ( ;:, - ) r . _ R r ' . t ; , t t ' Y y Ia1 Y { " 4 L S / Z j S t t I. I' , f I -Iv. y, ,j l Y fr C^ I ', i _ \ r tl. 1 , l r 4 6 r , '.m, - l 7 i t fIN t 4 C},. t t . :i It'' t ` I . ..I v j, •.. _. , ,> r 6f l+ } + +f t 7' r 4 4 t. . A. s-: I. ,s s ^stL 'd" y, } r "1 ItY t t * q , 1 r . , t ' 4 _ * . {` ,S 7 t St} } r told'I 5 ' . , L S 111 k ryq ♦a F' t _ ^ A i `.f L f ,.' Y ♦ f J„J. . 4 f do, .J Y i' �i 4 1 3 I'd I If or .� ,, t 4. . l t 7 I . i -, L _ a + , V �. S �t }' $• - L f� Y I .:L If f �'r,�r oft d a I ItL t -F , .Y y� + , . 'S �j�Fr r y '�r6 IV '' lot r d . , to, a 4 Jlv ty t .V . �' eor J� C 40 • j{j? r r > ± a. S It 1 •. i sr a ' l -+ , t � I III I If x f °� x f ` > r r'• , . £ , ti y C ' •. = rt x _• 'r + 'S a :\t• .a fl f YIt 'r 1h I _i °` t ! 1 y I. y. . ,' '♦ t' i ^y rt � ,' .L D � l � , Y ! 1. I S�yyr r .. d w' F 'e r , t'� + A fr3 r t t{Y. , w r P{' - '.• r y •.b T 1 {t J` , ' ,i t• 1 5' id " e•; , _ , ! { } ` of ' .. •. i r •�! LS to lw-,t� JFY ..+ ll tf i t -a i 1 a• iktK G7.," � 1 •t7 rt' � '. 'tI '` r a .. -a , if IG.leason: . hn � you Ill 1ri ease wIt or e " tho-ou ttnw"e< wer'e', opeining that f ; f r ' s ! � r t t i Fi y ,. > , T;and . uto 1,p for y.ou . You cpuld not;= get approval1 1 INto f, f , „ do`z anyt It zth?lrig tslia�tI. was � .n'ot ls ;tednbefId I* l 'ore .r .1. , w IY ' do . IF 1 ' ! r'y' 't .: - r c it. e . - r:.� a3' f < 1>r ,, n; 7F '♦ a�. tryIf t 'Ll ' ^i - t:, S.. x ,f r k j r-oftt } 3 1 •r .Y + Id Id I didl i_ r> i = ,•' r. , t I '� id a i• IYp ✓ {. a - 'r r ",`i - �'t �r s a: ti \ t f / .r I k i to Y . i -f'+ ,_. 1, „1 a M1 t4 t , r i .. I 'r 4 - '. ti :r I If S:hurtheff :'£ ` t ' :I ' wac not awa''re °;my property Iha.d ,changed ' , If ' ' f ! , of I. i a r off♦> I do,r ' i J } f 'i ' ` If I ♦ r :., t Lj 1 ♦ 5 I.., d e '" •, t' ? rt ♦ 2 ' ; t r+ , to, IIll ° Gleason : " I_ d,on '�t nth=ing you ": are the ;only} persyon „whose < use ; i. _ �y If I `11 j, ,�, Y aN 'f :e L -v 'e 3 5. "t ',' 4 ' f 1 - 4 / l Ji �yL V Y [ I f y'L, f 1 ,p! ,t .1 s ., h a , ,+; f a , a s :changed . n : a Fof ` t'' .4 ofG - 'Y Y a C a Ili t; t it r - .1 ... `� .• C �, , d 'f. _ ! a ;:: f rr ` 't Y d ' ' Y t I. i If I If 1h r L Id F ,', ShurtleffL : , � It ISuppose I could fin so I of r do dod, mebody t`who twant`ed; to put „ a u . z „ • of I If If tI . IF r a' shop ,I to wh'ere °the ` rchicken <hour/e; ;i 's ; , fadlIis�I did. � t ;tpoG;siblea r r L titIll it M"Ll 1 . , _N a It Lis t'.`" tL .t } r,C •I t . �, t > d 4 I Ad ' h Id, ,e y1. . t t h r� a,. f A , L . ..�" .1 IT "i i ;' f r f ' i fit ' ,; p IIIdod dod theIV Z If y co � ld � , d. fz� III dod , It: to ol i I . dl�d f r^' -_ 'L Y ♦ . , ♦. Lr E d . rT. --� G + . , v a t . . ' ` t< y' yr G;lelaso,n • fC ' It > lsl zoned for light manufacturing`", theIL y come � , .a ?I . �t ,;.; i " ai h,:t- ma"nufac',itur 'ng7 'a'.nd< cu ..FftomI , ' ` ^}, c wL „� r, t l00 % rand ° 'get to ` p r,m t g • - k i t •, }FiY > of .. ' J . , eI, Lt S r I'dt a oc ✓• VI do,I -'d 2 !'t 1, ' i. t ♦ 1� r v 1 [ � a a p f . of VIrrma nufract:ursing;; r }JIlk. t; r 1 ` . . y �< I - , ( t - , . sit :_> iI + i w od t , ` . + _ It 1Of I It a t 1 , ,* 'tt l ^` 'ar r S 4. t •L {' S i� t t t t. 1 - f I It is - indo . cluded, > A Id* If a .. x �, Oft } , ; -It I,, � ¢ , f Discussion ofT ,what , „ ` `, ° ` y'rloo- If ` y 'i4 l ` '• ln A told icu`ltur:al Zonne ;, to"Househdo,oldln o ( k a ; , , k F l'. 7 * i.t ,t J g . V ' ; Cr ♦ Y , t C . �of I S r = ' a g ;,r`„l ` + 'rf t t ' ;` �. i : > Lifves to ck ; Pro'd ucLt ion j , lod" a li rr a , _ . e .t a L 4IdL I* x L d of dc,` '. � « f , " Shurto ,�tiefft: If x f AIf � xI. . sell tha;t � rft'll to„ some 4one to sell +Ill y f - ' 1 t {.'dlo If • tchlc.kens ; « ilf ,, l e ',ha's , any ser he make sure ,fheR; , dr t of PI ° �.' ( 'rr t . - h 1 { r 't Lr• of Id - Jl s r i aT ,1 , \+ i t. {r' k fhas lega rlgh4t ao raI'll,se c'h1ckE ns >11 . It L If I to, III Ih ? r r y. F 2 't I . t f• f, I rr Sr . ',y IV offt `! old - t C ` y ILIr ` looidr,t, I . - • f Totmran;: r Ifayo`u sell to � anylb'odIll ' y; twdiLiYth thatF large ° .;of ; an f it 2 n ro i M` , 1 '• x b •` (r h ° t a t'w'• YI h .. , t dr - , - Y xIII oLi; Id-I I , ' r £ oper'attioIf �IAIIn.' her usually hasf a °. tatt �t"orneayr. an a attorneys = do I I If } Io A. t! cdo .amIIIe ,io . n,F ;to check .thea local; zoninIIIg laws .':, ' , f y', folIf We ' have -listeneilldd >to ,you and do wrr e'. and"erP.L. do L ., . 'i 4e r r d .� It ou f r. do fi " . >t , your :problem . , Re:gardle , s; • 'of� what ;changre y_ e H t yr, i ? p� rc.. {, Yf ^� �, i; t Y ♦: d.,l ♦- 1 , '' ,, t i f i {. r It If ,f ' 'tol t , - t^rr ,x r,. :! r r . ,� 1 r r i rL r t: a; r y ,t , ;, - ti . vAl° it yi still; hav,.e , rto ge*tr; a , pe I I .rrmi,t � lIII or £ ' W k ° F - It If I it ; , Shurtl`eff; : If cerrtain things= are�; infFf I IA hes �onirig tl%ats rrA rIt I t„dI '. od t II Bob Brown ' s pare a ifltt' I. need ; laT, Spe 1.oldc` a l Perm 1';t I tf ! 4 tl r 1 fF r..a 4 tt:,; t)t r`7' } ! / ;, . ;ydI,° .t.N. 2 8 . . �}, ri 't vI £ �' i / . c!• 'C'3t F " : A f . .tY , Li �. . _ It ot - t3 t, ! : �It need ' 'to come tId , oy°„ the P1`ann i"ngo ard., lrojhIV Y Y9 q , f } "Yt . ,, . / 7? N t ' aY ♦ . YY i 1 . y + ' ' f } Id I I If . .. To;tman : Id It t Yes . 'pr > e 'y ,. e , }r t x L� - � r •. n,1 ♦ 1 -iil a t , , a 3 / A, 4 bror I t t r , do { i i.• = i t ) i Y 1 3 i ' } r It If . If I Llld�p . 4 do ! �,) t s ` .r, t ,b , } t ']{ ` ; 1 :• , I I - I J 4 i i , • of i 3, Shurtleff : „ IfahI w of I lotanaso'methirLng that ; Bob ' Brown • can ' t iaue ti= :�f ' 'I xa permitt ; for :I come , to' ' the ld k Planning Board . . � frl ,i,. Y .l 4♦Yi i `I ' If f tIf 'LR I' t f f tit .r If Ili - ,14 If. S t' i . � r - . r : t . 1. x F ,,; Totman : t If wercaon —t dorA4anything ,about , `ilt Li,t goes yyto'rrthI r. " f t . .' lfa � t we"t et lot -do.!,.•,1 1a h A... y ,•)ol r i Th ' li�n� arof t�Appea Ll - , , . 1 I Id. f .p } ° . . = f r: f , Town , Board . eY =Zon g , Bo d 1's and les; t ,� r °rod " Iq t W i 4 ttf F ., - . . Iit t f . doof < ,: . s ;the phy � cal ;aspect ;- pie : ;yet 'ba4ck lot size . ; ,_ t tIt f f a I r , r l+ F r - rt di a I ,,f r ' , . 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'n :a L I I IN k I L•. L ' 'r t J P " S % e "� < l h , , r L t5r L i '-Jw i t' r t 'l'' ] '}� 1 a 41 +{ ♦ w . gLw) ,. L ON, ] + r « t "� It ,1 . ' i�t p I T.:. 1 - - 1 y n L p .., ' Review rof lasrt meeting':' each Board member • had an assignment toI 1 4 II II different :NlTowns ;and acquire copies ofn . their Ordinancesi pertaining tor, r , , , I, t L . „ a lic,ations for ' com arison with _ - of ' taher permits and building gr p , j . N multiple dwellin s and also' co i the .. . Town'' of Grotons . t " fi S f, : ' .- PP p• - Fy ti' •i ( e } , G: Y' Twigg • I` went to the Town of : Homer : and got 'a copy Hof their Zoning` r ,;;' Ordinance b,ut not ,of 'the , forms . Homer doe's not zone ' multiple dwellings t € r fror size '. They ,don ' t `control them . , e i ' , Y ' ' "III N II r IF . t ., , q f f l) •III ' l i . - s, F r e a : L , r '. -' , e II ON iG . Totman; C'ortlandville they had nothings= on restricting square footage ,: ! Y . { ,_ ' ' ' of . mu1=-t pl'e :' dwellings'. Their ordinance is dated 1964 pas ed int 1968`. it G . I a I. , Ct hY. . iIII r They.' have , .'separa:te S'ub d vi`si'ori O . I I I e : I aaso' ;goI , applications Ly a .2 • Y . , n Vim ' Y A t "{ I . t = ' •II II L ' r "forms from Cortlandy Rlle . _ , ` LI FI II eI II { v, . J (. ., y rt L v i'f t it v , Y T ' .. r . .. R!. Gleason • r ,The Village of Groton "s Ordinance is not that much diffferent ) ` ` from the Town ' s old # one I ' did ' not 'ge,tl `any forms . Y>' - " p r.. + p I ' L. t t,I C . , Twigg : ` Why - o we have to have a size limitation on multiplI e, I TingII r , 4 y P 4 ' cr t Tf a theyt are:. going ` to be rented ; they have to be of a size that e' is ; O ,1 I :r ( , a appealing , t`o the: publsic : ` - r ; ,j 'y', '* i t v J t \, off, E ' ] I 3 . , t t'- . If G . Totman : G � '.'II rea'sori we have to have a sli 'ze is that , our , Zoning : Ordinance " ,j. I r i , r. .f : `1 ' . r• . Z . j , i re w .t. Y f x ,; ; . s,ays :-a: dwelling unit; isT a particular ; size . . We ^r'haee ;to 'aeparate :multiple dwellings from regular dwellings : Unless .it is . changed you_ x t .L,,. t J . . . � p . i s ] i' f . h 5 ' couldehdt `build :Ian $%apartment building . ° ` I Y ,J JR '' l • t I �.'� �• jr r '1\,. . TX ( p < . . 4L ... i C I T 3 f I ` y1 1 4tr _ ry L . . L rt 4 - yr .� 3 , , t ,1 \ f .r ^ ' L •• ' , 4d, ' 9 a ; h S 1 +,. r a t 4 E Y a ti. ,, ,. y 'r ' ' ' � ' C . Tw gg : ` Qhy can ',t' we < do f that without ' specifying a ' siz'e for multiple (^ . 1M1 J , . 7 ff!'a Q' if 'dwellings ? :.' .. l� 1 _ XA .a f ] ' 4ti.,e wr `, :: a �f 'i I .r r 1F \..L ia, h n> r cr a I J "r a C, r - _ it , Y 1 . . , : w F .A, v It Y ,. : atv , 4 m II ' V. I . . J ' ' 1 52 . , til N .' Os .trander : � We could „make ' an exception for ; vthe multiple dwelling„ unit: l a f J ' t ' r l t - , .ON t O .. L� , rf t'.'. I ' :.' (,:' ` - ' h "t, . 1 I G . LfTotman IU � ' Y, ,ou still' have `,to address the Lorigina'1 , que'stion. of size . t ( 12.3:'3 &4 and, 116 address Athe NN I ionrof multiple , dwelling silze ) x . • I » ~ , ' Mere % d . L• . L �'r i 4 .'tf r .' q. . / Y t ' l , N. t , ' A l r 1 5 1 .V .' i L ] 1 s r ," It t , 3 , t ` i ' f Ordinance was reviewed on Dwelling un'i,ts , , r ' , e 4 MT } ; r . . it t' • Y L ' c l . r ; :` t .. , Rooming Units , etc . ' wt '( i ( rL . F eI rt _ 3faY4r r ,b a ./ tt '. - t P.P , r r r `. 3 r \' d \ .: i j l c S` a L ° Lya rl 'in 'r '.I . N, I ,. .r It t r ' J ,C . Twigg : I don. •- t see the :`reason rfor' setYtng a ' size ; limit' on rriul'tiple "` { tr ,e" =f = ,,dwell"in s, - it " s' ,not 'like ,the--.tr'ailer problem ; , la , '..I I nts' aren ' t a. ; permanent place ':,,to hide . -. That „ s the reasonrwe went, to foo age', for ." t Off;, mobile homes . ,In ; apartments ,,," -people : aren' t there long ; they don' t ] 1 .1 -a I l . 1, _ ', . . r t »:1 i-:: y ,,. . II need "much ,storjage space , - they ,start Yiaving families : and move ';on . , re . f , :. - f 1 a •. ( L a?tt �i A' new _ couplearor ,;an elderly ' couple don ' t need 840 sq ft . : if tYiey can J } :, _ ' ; get : along 'with, ti'alf ;that . N;t ✓ y . . ' , { r '. .; Z • ' -. l J ft T • . F F . r a I. f ' : ' , - � r L f ;, , N : Os .trander': f That still .has " 't.o be :put ° 'in the Ord•inance' .• > . . , * ( . r-h r t , 4 .r Lr ' 1 r � ' t ' •f i a;�, 41 . 3 $ - . J l l�F '' } I l II J : ~ , rI - Totman : : How are we going ' to put it there. , isr= th"e questiIon . t AI Lt a - ryan 4 l • if t ,vim dv. ?ff, i t 1. n , 1 .,' ,r t .: fr . , , rykNI " J . MacNeil'; , If you change , the, uses from': a single dwelling , ror_ build a _ Y• .. , . y r e L �, I s f I 1 `'w _ °a4'mul 'tiple i,'dwell ng , scan we '. refuse i't � ; ; Lr . i • ' , t I .y l . .,`.7 ` L - . i II w' d' f'y , : ' . ` a i P . 1. ;It , a L } ' e'• " . J t - t , >r ..ti j 4 lh' e \ / . A Y ' r ., r J r. t . : t $ I fI . f', II II ♦:. > M .'.+ ' 4 . t k v +F . • r ' n✓ S •t ', t It • A • 3 L t y 'CP' , , t < . - r , ' I S F' f S le F .5 jOF 1 a 1 4, . a h '� a r � } d. P fa ,a f� , 7 It < ! - r ri ,�IN f , •� l e.J X r. NO ,F .. t f I f II r (. eIII t 1 . I, l' l 4 r1 ! e- ' Yr 1Iio- i x P j 4 y . { . } , 5 { tit III ] f. t _ 0 L ; ( . til' r _ t . k II rw r l tl • IN M1F' ,a L1r fA, i.Si�'1 It - eI NI I 7 F i t 1 } . I_ . etii: c \ �' 3 ✓3 re„ ° if iw +} ,y { Y L rr: y - ' LI 'e . t r n h 3" , Ij p'' r r •. t VAAIAIAt IL ♦ a1 ' , '_') t ` It rrr• 4r �4' 'M. 1L. `.`� + •,S, k a , a f >.r ate+' a , _+ ,r c4 S .• •i, 5 C _I r_r _ a- > 4. y tA Id CI AIAAI II I AL II ILI AAA,IAAILI AA 1 AA f y !a. 1 s� , ( . 1.,3,u 1' , .A, 4 � '' , + ?� [ } ` 4 .t 'I ` +, r -. i , ' t , :.Vr- AA AA LAr LT r. . t{ f 4" i •v e, t} ,, Y A j 4.1. - . t v 8 T.. �, K, II tIf tAL ILA AI ftf V. -I AA1lALI IIA AAAA f AAA •' r i`F .+ i r C. ". r , " Y^ h• Mti r r. 4 r i _'r r S ' ` ;y I. YI . a t a niY . , a ' L . t ' f ! $ t + a .a c I r 41 . ., I ,..., a r '` ^ ,t x f : .` t L' yl. - 1. ^,-, , of r t - t .f,� ,(. : ; 1 , I Totman • Yes; the Town attorney says ' you ''re .defining something that" ; =�r� '; / 4 r i . ✓ ` .r ' - a n i t.+ .t I > 4 t 'r . " - .ant I : r , i r ' Ja 'ir 4jtr:. „ P people live-' in as :a dwelling unit . ; Our ordinance calls rfor 8.40 sq . ' ft . 't= '�< a . T . r ' = We " have to change that definition of >"dwellfing unit ':or say; except for L Il" a' r''� IA Y t ' r v j .t.r s " -. r t , 4 ; multiple dwelling units ' then say anyl. limt you : want : Ri a " ` " F I .. 1 3 l .. t k Read Zoning - Ordiriancest from other Towns : s,ome .- I l the' r r t r e r . ' ♦ :J 'r VI ryl 4 >. 6 r square footageG depends ' on the , number` of bedrooms . , T f ., r e 4 r ! t , k - , .v r t r ar t• t v t a w , t , . .',' „ yea ` s i 1 ° f. r a r L h. t y . ♦ _ r h a V .r I . r y y h _ r i.•! 4 d ' Another problem is that edch Awellirig ° requires 200 , ' ;feet , „ road frontage . , " ° x r i �: r 1 x 7 Materaly,from Mike , Post , T'thac' a Town : Zoning uses 'ithe State Building Code . - •t .. wr x ,z aY T r {+t"v: t �'i al � rt' 7',.:.,t + � b•X 't, A, II r t } •�. a o t % , r - >• r s is xl ' ) t #,} fr F , . l h. a s, i. . , :+. fY«.. 'h.:'r r e ,ti. y :� h!"`, � : .,. a At x' rf -y , , ,. . a t ,' •f. I 4t4 A . - .' r 1 ` f7 i a , t . Al f '. } . . p 4 c r� t- a t r . h v +„t+�- ,,. . t y s{ ;tr �„ ✓ ra r " : .{ kr f t Ai� G • Totmani: . 1 ,, rfy ' ♦ , , t c rkfi ;,a ; ':i } .: •d ar r t, Maybe we should find ,out9what the State , Building = Code ' is . , I. '*3 r ' ` r t p •t t, s p- �l t " J,( r t r i +. t { ( { f J'� ; a t r zV .. IAA 1 t . t # ' J f r ♦ V 3 t a . :fs i 4, ✓ti' ., .-j II At I I AA i r J .� J d, r" y$F: a L i.. t ` ,• t ',x 7� • - 4' �: ' { J ,t A rY Za AL AIALA N.. , Ostran'der . I ; `suggest ,rwe_ write the ? state 4and f,Vind ., out ..Uwhatt ,the State I ` ! t J "I (v , , le 1 \. tz t '!r .q u . m 'M n it , ' r Building Code >aon Multiple Dwellings 'S : 14 . � ' ` ;_ ' �. , a, AA IA IIA fA IfAAIt AIo IA 1AI LV IeAA IA f ✓ •• r r ♦ L A. i t. A :L. ' . 'J , r "A• 4, k f 't J iq ' 1 ! , J, a t ^ Ah j.&4'r .x �. a f' `.•, I' ;I, i A ,- ' , `_. ^ ' I �„ . ! h If a -. 1 1 ll �::d' T h ' R , ,I a . r . M r a ;J. ' Y ,} 1 } art r Y. N > J >\ J [) rwta U - It 1 r b fa I " :uL r r A . , r r `- "r ; ' 1 "K + t , ' L A Fire " and AV 11ding` Code '_ ,takes effect t o f Januaryr . l, , A0 ' ' ;3' AI :, ox f b S �., The Planning Board must make sur'e,° the';; permits { cover, :the ' Code and i" s ' that `the Town Enforcement0'fficer understands diem . ,,; : ' ' a t ; " r , Ili 4 n �` , t It ,' h 1 , �.. .. ' , IA At r t r •n{' •' ! ' 1 ,' ., I r 7t r , + . a A Each member .received copies.„ of permit form§ �fromt the 'oth'er. • , r r > ar > ' t r Towns . . They will compare them to the ., rTown:: of Grotons; and ~ 'come. : to the next meeting with general ideas or the Grorton permits ,to. 'suggestJ ;to; the Town w= " ° Clerk> , when she comes ` to the meeting . 1 • Roge'r sing ested that"' b` " `study. •ng rr t iJ A. g Y.r rr x p , d �' 4 ' - . 4 ii {, - K ara.. 2 r q-. n u , x . s ` y W - . e t . F the requirements Jn "the Ordinance they could make sure the. permit ap:plica= bons meet the requirements . George suggested , a Checklrst-, like - the one ''` ` a ^ y t •, y^ i ♦ ♦{ r s 1 ; Yy A .. "., Af, p_. ✓4 . Y r ,btl y , 'Y. i' l 4 used for the.ISub-divisions would be a ' good' t, idea ::, In' ,'Dryden aLpersonfills "� ' ' out a permit ;~+ comes `'`to a Board ,meeting And , . is asked quest 'ous A, 6n6; , the, permit . ; '_` ? , � , a P . .� ; ' ,`., Groton'; s' questions , are° asked on ythe ermit...�" " What 'is neede''d i°s" a sirrpler �� form to a 1' fors buildin permit t ,tea - g s . �- ra u r e I 'AY ry ?' '� , ( \ -. •A, ! ' ` 'n' W f •, it ,A Lt fl :` ,, �, Rf .,, Y y 4"ry !' Janu 1984 '•'at 8 00 pmlw set forr aA s ecif ary 10 asr it p a1 mee'.ting *to compares drafts, t < , , ," r r of permits d r1 Ar• ' , tt # t I I ,l '+ a 1 , ' . 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