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G The Board cons dered the ', applicat`ion: ' of .Fa Majori Subdivision
prae ented by George ., and ; Martha Lawrence for . .property on West Groton •
Road , Groton'-, New York . 4 ' " " } �_ " '
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_ ` A G . ' 'LAWRENCE `t ; Propose `xtb: se1'1 one palr, cel 'of ' 7. 0 acres to s s
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I ,k ,� . •r " x , m•yselff e tPres_ently " a11 ` par.'ce1`s `Aare ' under: . one deed a • •
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, rI, ,' G . +TOThiAN : ° , ' ., ' rThe rise � I I s came under one ' deed / in ' 1`973 for ' tax
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A', . R f . ,=r purposes r'esul tin p in ,some itax bill Summary ':'
<. �; ., r. M , 24 � t `"" h 70 IcreQ Munson , � 1 deed
} Mr , . N.l dot �. house , ,4and , . rlots' 1 deed
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Heaving . Sec ' ; 211 saysi ' are any: ; res':ultiri'g hots less
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r Joe or�a ' ."t Questi , :ns ♦ we raise on ' thic pro"perty ,I
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+ `; " y when 'we sold a' lot ' ,to ' Wilrliam Mao o; N r , .
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, ,} , rry =r ; k w:as `, coldY ` wi h ,: at Warranty ° Deed `d,uly♦;;';recorded : My', J . "
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Tfrom'%``Mrs. ;Hors : ' What you ' re ' `saying :' is ;tYiey are going
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it :'. Robert Wa 1po le ; , Leon ' 'Bogard ,I , ,
I r ` . . Robert Bogardus ',: Na ,c :y .Hoer;' e
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R ••GLEAA I The ' problem, is out' of ;`our hands until , they .' decide , A
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MAN` - POST_: I,., think rf , these people° want + A buy `: pro`perty : a'nd . build .
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MF . , :a ` house ` the'y should no_t be handicapped'•' . with someN
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Ithe": Town. , ' of Groton , 9n% we 'shouldIA encoura'ge them
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C : ,TWIGG : ~No 'prob-lem with \ thee proposal . .ti
. 0 MacNEIL : W' Same &',` opinion a 4 . . : ,
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` t a , Warrana'y Deed and ,,buy the land , they .come to the
Town ; . Clerk and asks for. a :,permi.t , to , bu ild ' a house .
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One part,icluar problem `is the rissuing , ;of permits 111. 1 b:u A A ng
A ,hous.e:. - on , . a lot already: occupied : with �' a trailers living rn the 4
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as. a : S 'i-te rReview• ' SpecalA -Permi"t Sec 351( : 123 `. and the ; Board., would ' "
4 i vote using Sec 440 .. 13 tto='ast ;pulat,e that , th'e ; trailer has, ,to be; T
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the . different rPermits � to _ make the. job of a' ssu :ng P,erm .ts 'ea'sier' . a 1 . t a ,,,
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' She would hike , -a;1 meeting1,,of ^ ;the Towri Board , s Plah'p ng Boarld :;' >° , h� �
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