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Home My WebLink About1980-09-02 ` 5 . l GROTON TOWN 'PUNNING BOARD MEETING Held in the Town Hall at Groton , N . Y . Tuesday , - September 2 , 1980 PRESENT : G . Totman - Chairman* G . Evans - County Planning Bdt L . Raymond - Vice -Chairman* C . Twigg - Secretary* J . MacNeil - D . Payne:* R . Gleason* Le Willis - Sub . Record . Clerks Denotes those present Mr . Totman called the meeting to order at 8 : 10pm . C . Twigg : When should you obtain a zoning permit instead of. a - building permit ? G . Evans : State Building Code . . . . . . . issuing permit under the . . . . . called a building permit . The Town of Groton does not enforce that code . Since it does not , it is misleading . If an existing building is being attached to for such building activity , you only need a zoning permit . Let ' s go over the list of what I have given you . G . Totman : If there are no questions , let ' s proceed . G . Evans : Part of zoning regulations . . . . . . . . substitute appendix 1 and 2 . There are four . articles . The qualifications part has been given and the definitions part are being worked on . Appendix 2 - eight part only . . . . of additional work is part 7 . . . . There was a question about what substantial economic injury was . G . Totman : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - G . Evans : Zoning regulations Article 2 Section 200 - 203 - General Regula- tions : Different catagories under Section 202 , There are four different ; classes of things which are allowed and per - mitted with a special permit and things that are prohibited . Under catagories allowed ; this is definable as anything built or established without any permit or whatever . Under Section - 1 - ' s where 20 Planning and Development , this provision i h a 3 . g P board reviewing a special permit might find it of specific scale or importance - - - - - find it cannot be a special permit - must be under Planning and Development . R . Gleason : Could a large dairy operation come under this ? G . Evans : They don ' t require a special permit . They are exempt . . . . . Section 202 - What this means is that the zoning regulations not only apply to building something , but to establishing some activity even though no building involved at all . Article 3 - Establishment of Districts - What districts are : Districts are divided into back districts and combining dis - tricts : low intensity , low industrial . Combining districts : - Flood hazard combining districts . These are exempt in com - pliance with the National Flood Insurance Act of 1978 . Flood hazard areas to be maped right on your zoning map . C . Twiggs What are they? G . Evans : Rough maps - It is the currently applicable flood hazard map for the Town of Groton . The shaded areas are identified as Zone Area A . This is the flood hazard area according to the National Flood Insurance Administration . More detail and more accurate maps are on the way , but it may be years in coming . Regulation of the - - - - - - - - by the locality is a require - ment for the town residents to qualify for the flood subsidy insurance program . A town can say , ' Yes , we are going to recommend the flood development ' and they are qualified by the Flood Insurance Administration . - - - - - - -have not done a careful job in checking with the regulations they have . It is left up to the DEC . Basically what they are is that you don ' t build anything in this area which will obstruct the flow of water . Don ' t construct anything which is going to be inhab - ited . If you do , have all - - - - systems at least one foot above flood level . C . Twigga - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - G . Evans : NFI Maps . Later on maps and reports which show - - - - - - sections indicating the rate of flow , - - - - , maps showing reference points . There are two different - - - - - - - - - : 1 - where water actually flows , and 2 - where water is actually standing - - back water . The second map , called Flood Insurance Rate Map . An insurance underwriter can figure out what rate to charge . First , note , you want to know where it is and prevent people from huilding in it . The main force comes from lending insti tutions . G . Totman : You can obtain a copy of the flood hazard areas from insurance people . G . Evanss And from HUD . Discussion followed this by L . Raymond , G . Evans & others . - 2 - I I G . Evans : There was one other question in regard to combined zoning districts . Since one doing the flood area and having just recently attended a hearing where - - - - - - - - - - - -to us , on other types of regulations which - - - - - - - - - -property occurred . ; R . Gleason : Why not include water shed districts ? G . . Evans : - - - - -Types of uses , types of construction . Fragile natural resources , flood hazard , structures of ` particular historical significance . Structure has a - - - - use . They . are subject to additional review before - - - - - - . Maps included where these j points are_ - have been numbered . Article 4 Section 400 - Purpose . Back districts , combining districts . Two general kinds regulating dimensional - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - and land - use regulations . The importance of - - - can hardly be stressed to much , dimensional regulations - - - - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ are one type of variance which have a list of criteria for granting the land - use regulation and _ _ criteria for granting . Land -Use facilities and types of activoties . - - -- - - - - - - - - - All'owed . without a permit , requiring use of a zoning permit i with a special permit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - l 401 - Allowed without a permit in-- - - - - - . A - - - - - -version would make it easier to grasp . R . Gleason : The material presented from the Town of Dryden is easier to read - - in ' layman ' s language . G . Evans : A - - -which houses these terms would be preferable to having it repeated for each district . Chart 401 . 5 given by the - - -Board . What were their intentions ? G . Totman : What is referred to in the ordinance is that a mobile home must meet the zoning ordinance . Otherwise , it ' s classified as a one - unit - - - - - - . If - - - - - -then it must comply with the mobile home ordinance . R . Gleason : But , is that clear to anybody ; even the enforcement officer? i Some discussion followed by everyone . i G . Evans : Classification section under Residential Building - Appendix 1 Section 323 , There is listed a separate mobile home catagory . R . Gleason : There is a need for a special provision , calling attention to the special regulations . G . Evans : General Regulations - are an appropriate place to put - - - - - - UnderSection 204 - Permits Required . Add subsection to the affect that mobile homes - - - - - - - - R . Gleason : Or , put the # after the mobile home section . Also , make the chart easier to look at . - 3 - G . Totman : Some people don ' t like to have special qualifications . They like to call it a home . Some discussion followed by everyone . C . Twigg : Where can you pick that ( chart ) up ? G . Totman : At the Town Clerk ' s Office , G . Evans : 323 - - - - but as applicable to the type of building . Why not keep the catagory " Mobile Home . " Then , if you wish , at the bottom put * Note - Must also comply with the Mobile Home Ordinance . Everyone agreed . G . Evans : 402 . 2 - I am unclear on " Agricultural Activities 35 . 5 • G . Totman : We exempted all the way through , : G . Evans : Under Civic Activity Type 332 . 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - R . Gleason : - - - -Special permit with PUD optional . G . Evans : Section 403 . 4- - - - - - - -Section 332 - - - - - I can ' t tell what it is . G . Totman : Zoning permit on industrial . Special permit for the first three . G . Evans : 403 . 5 - Commercial - 30 . 63 and 64 . G . Totman : I crossed out and inserted special permit . G . Evans : I have a regulation on flood hazard area and combined districts . The ag district does not include any land - use regulations . G . Totman : How I have taken this is for ag districts then- - - - - does not need any zoning ordinance ? G . Evans : No - - - - - - - - - - G . Gleason : This indicated that farming is a desired use and people should recognize this in coming in . If putting in something is not compatible with agriculture - - - - - - -meet certain things before you can do it . G . Totman : From this point where do we stand ? G . Evans : Ok . Under Section 410 : 1 - States that the proposed rela- tionship between this and Flood Hazard Insurance Act of 1968 . Statutory references , applicability - - - - - - - - - - - - - 410 . 4 , second page says if something is permitted in the back regulations , then it being in a flood hazard area simply means it is permitted with a special permit according to Section 503 , - 4 - but - - - - - of the alternative - - - - - - submitted . - - - - - - - the type of facilities that are permitted in the flood hazard area . If the agricultural - - - - - - being in a flood hazard area , makes no difference . - - - - Section 503 - Requirements - - - - - - that apply . Flood hazard area . - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ set of regulations with DEC . If you want to build ' . s. omething in the flood hazard area in Section 503 . 5 , it lists the requirements that you must meets 1 . A map of the lot ; 2 . Plans and elevations with dimensions : 3 . Speci - fications for the - - - - - - - flood proofing . Regulations are not to completely prohibit construction in that area , but so that not to cause flooding . If you prove it won ' t cause such , there is no reason why the permit cannot be granted . 503 . 6 - Lists facilities . 503 . 7 - Conditions for construction or alter;ationss 1 . = General requirements - not to increase water velocity . 2 . Electri - cal and heating should be above the one - - -- - - foot flood level elevation ; and , 3 . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 503 . 9' - Requirements which in affect prohibits - - - - - - - - for human habitation . When it comes tothe final maps , they will be sent to the Town . The Town will then review them for 30 days . A public hearing will be held ; take suggestions , or if they disagree , they will tell HUD officials . They will then respond and turn out the final maps . Only the Village of Dryden and the City of Ithaca have received final maps . Everyone thought it might be awhile before the Town of Groton received theirs . G . Evans : I will be writing up the text the way I think it should be and present it to you , then review the definitions . There is a list of - - - - - - - -pages - map of contents . The most discussion will have to be on the definition section . As yet , I haven ' t looked at it al all . G . Totma.n : So when ' s a good time to meet again ? In two weeks on the 16th ? ' G . Evans : No , the 23rd . Some further discussion followed . G . Totman : Does everyone agree the meeting is adjourned ? Everyone agreed . Meeting adjourned at 9 : 50pm . Respectfully submitted , X Linda C . Willis Substitute Recording Clerk i