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Home My WebLink About1976-06-17 w SPECIAL GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD MEETING Held at the Town Hall , Groton , N . Y. . Thursday - June 17 , 1976 at 7 : 30 P .M . PRESENT : H . Fink - Chairman* David Camp* G . Totman on Vice- Chairman Peter Dorset - Attorney for F . Wilson* Mr . Camp* R . Gleason* C . Twigg* Myron Walters * D . Payne J . Bell - Recording Clerk* * - Denotes those present Mr . Fink opened the meeting at 7 : 45 P .M . and introduced himself and the members of the Planning Board to Mr . Camp , Mr . Dorset and Mr . Walters . H . Fink : We ' re short 3 members but we do have enough present to do business . From now on whatever we say will be written down and this will be official . I have 5 copies of the tract and survey map , his application is filled out and am in receipt of the $ 20 . 00 check . Now let ' s start , - - any questions ? F . Wilson : Right of ways , - -we are concerned about those . Are there any right of ways ? P . Dorset : No . D . Camp : There was a right of way ' down there , - - P . Dorset : But that went back to Mr . Ryan , D . Camp : No , there ' s one there . C . Twigg : So the only access you have is on Elm Street Extension ? D . Camp : Yes , sir . R . Gleason : Is that 2 big fields? D . Camp : Big woods in the front and 2 or 3 fields behind it . R . Gleason : I meant the back strip . D . Camp : There are 2 big fields back there . H . Fink : Are there any residences on the other parcels , except for No . 4 ? P . Dorset : No . This was originally the old farm and original farm buildings . - 1 - z r H . Fink : #3 has been sold , - - I don ' t think we have the name ? D . Camp : Marcello . R . Gleason : Parcel 4 is sold ? D . Camp : Yes , to John Ryan . P . Dorset : Who we found out hasn ' t filed his deed yet so it ' s still under Mr . Camp ' s name for tax purposes . Co Trwigg : What effect does that have if it isn ' t ? P . Dorset : On record Mr . Camp is still the owner . C . Twigg : So he could sell it again . P . Dorset : Well , he could if he could find somebody - - you ' d end up with a legal fight . H . Fink : And parcel #29 P . Dorset : No . 2 Mr . Camp still owns . H . Fink : 0 . K . Parcel #2 owned by David Camp and No . 1 has Myron Walters ? P . Dorset : Mr . Walters has purchased that . F . Wilson : Do you intend to split Parcel No . 2 ? D . Camp : No , sir - - no way . P . Dorset : If it will enlighten you - - we had this one sold but because of the spring rights the attorney of the purchaser turned it down for his client because Mrs . Adams had spring rights over here and he was afraid her spring rights would suck all the water from underneath his land . F . Wilson : The next one then , of course , would be a major subdivision . H . Fink : You understand this ? P . Dorset : It won ' t be split up any more . . All I can say is if the parcels that have been sold are split up the other people will have to come in front of you . We have no intention of splitting up any more . H . Fink : If and when it comes up for approval this map has to be presented to the County Clerk stamped by the Town of Groton and filed in the County Court House , - - this is how it should be done . P . Dorset : We ' ll file it - - we guarantee it . H . Fink : It ' s a problem to go out and get people to file . D . Camp : We ' ll see that it is filed if it ' s approved . P . Dorset : It wasn ' t filed previously . Mr . Ryan originally bought a piece that went . down here and here and then he thought he had gotten 2 - P . Dorset : snookered by the country slicker so he wanted this and we changed it for him . H . Fink : If you had the other map phich I saw� you had landlocked a piece of land which was of value but no way to get to it . This is not the first case and I ' m sure it won ' t be the last where people have land locked themselves in the back or short- changed themselves on the frontage . Any other questions ? F . Wilson : One - - for the first map , - -was that, necause of this first sale here ? D . Camp : Yes , sir . F . Wilson : And the last one was July 19749 - - Because of this or was there another ? D . Camp : I think they redid all of this on the second one because Ryan was very upset and was afraid someone would come and build by him so I moved it back and put it all together which I was willing to do at that time , - - I owned all of it and wanted some ] and so I could get through to get hay to the road . So that ' s the reason we went about this and he gave me a right of way and we did what he wanted . P . Dorset : It came down here and there was a corridor came down here and he had this back part and Mr . Camp retained a piece in here . D . Camp : The reason I did this in the beginning was that I intended to keep the whole farm and that ' s the reason I kept that there , - - and when I saw I was going to break it up , - -we had plans on that - - what I was going to do was give Mr . Walters more land back there but when Mr . Ryan decided to give me a right of way then- - - - F . Wilson : And the next change , - - September 1975 ? D . Camp : That was figuring all this out and putting in these lines here . F . Wilson : Was that sold back then ? D . Camp : Yes , sir . F . Wilson : At that point in time , did either of these two people indicate they are going to put a mobile home on there ? D . Camp : No . P . Dorset : Mr . Walters , do you plan to put a mobile home in there ? . M . Walters : No . P . Dorset : There ' s an old farm road which goes right between the buildings up into here . Now Mr . Camp retained a right of way there but I doubt that it ' s any good any more since he sold it to Mr . Marcello , - - I don ' t think it was put in the deed . D . Camp : I think it was . It ' s hard to believe they haven ' t filed the deed on that . on 3 on F . Wilson : There are no building permits pending on that property ? D . Camp : No . P . Dorset : Just Mr . Walters ' . H . Fink : Just to make note , - - there ' s a moratorium in the Town of Groton where no mobile homes are permitted until after September 1976 at which time a new ordinance will be drawn . Roger , any questions ? R . Gleason : No . H . Fink : Cecil ? C . Twigg : It looks good . Some discussion was held on the surrounding land owners . H . Fink : Any further questions ? 0 . K . We have to publish for a public hearing and if it ' s submitted by Monday the 21st it would be published the 23rd and minimum time is 7 days , that would be June 30th which is a Wednesday , which is not our regular meeting night . Now we can - - reason I ' m trying to push this up is not so much for Mr . Camp but for Mr . Walters who would like to build his home and he ' s anxious to get started so as soon as we could push this through the legal aspect , - - do you want to make it for July 1st , which would be Thursday night ? This date was discussed and it was decided that the public hearing will be held at 8 PM July 1 , 1976 . H . Fink : 0 . K . , - - that ' s it til then . I don ' t see any problems but P . Dorset : If there ' s anything else we can do let us know , - -we would be glad to help and I ' m glad to have met all of you . At this point Mr . Dorset , Mr . Camp and Mr . Walters left . R . Gleason : We talked about having a survey made , - - Glenn Kline can come out the first , - -O . K . 7 So we could discuss this following the public hearing say around 8 * 30 P . M . H . Fink : Yes the hearing should only take a few minutes . After that meeting we ' ll have no more meetings in July and possibly none in August either . The meeting adjourned at 8 : 30 PM . Respectfully submitted , Jos phine Bell - 4 -