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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-1992 scannedI Town. Board TOW* OF GROTON TOWN BOARD-V PUBLIC HEARIN*, Monday, December 14, 1992 at 8z15 P.M. Following Town Board Meeting at 7:30 P.M. *Dutch Van.Benschoten *Lewis Sovocool. *Carl. Haynes Don Cummings *Teresa Robinson (*Present) re to aAbrove,',-the Public Present (on attached sheet) binson, opened the meeting. CARL TIAYNES-�# ti, --a' Jed the motion.- ALI, IN FAvbR/96TION PASSED. Durn VANBENSCHOTEU motioned to ' approve the bills with one exception l ; Brad E. has saes tax on his bill. Other than. that, Durn motioned to approve as presented. LEWIS SOVOCOOL seconded the motion. ALI, IN FAVOR /MOTION PASSED. ROBINSON: OK, paid without the tax. Bid opening - 1993 Tandem axle dump truck-plow ROBINSON: I have the opening bids for the 1993 'Fandem axle dump truck-plow. We have three bids. FrrZGERALD: Corny is going to have to examine them because of some, changes to the specs, to see if they are equivolent. ROBINSON: The first bid is from the Utica General Truck Co. Inc. The amount of the truck is $106,865.00. It is a Peterbilt model. The amount given for ours is $6,500.00; which makes the cost $100,365.00. The second bid is from the Buffalo White GMC for $112,420.00. They are offering X14,000.00 for our truck; wlicili makes the total. cost $98,420-00. The third 1).Jd is from Burr Truck and Trailer Sales Inc. for t111,610.00. The price for our truck is 4, $22,610.00; which makes the cost $89,000.00. That is for a 1993 Auger. DUTCH: Which one didn't meet the specs? T I?OBINSON: Utica General Truck Co. Inc. ul" FITZGERALD: They made alot of changes. x` M2/14/92' L. CORNELIUS: It's OK. FI'TZGERAI,D What Corny is saying is there isn't any reason for him to review it, even if it is comparable. CORNELIUS: If it was close it would be worth looking into. FITZGERALD: The other two didn't. make any changes at a].]., so you can. presume that's exactly what you're bidding on. ROBINSON: Buffalo White GMC; that's a truck? CORNELIUS: No, that's an auto car; like a fire truck. ROBINSON: ])o you have any questions? DUTCH: No. I wouldn't hEsitate a minute to accept the low 'bid for the truck as stated. DUTCH VANBENSCHO'TEN motioned to accept tPie low bid truck. CARI, HAYNES seconded the motion.. ALI, T.Pd FAVOR /MOTION PASSED. MEETING ADJOURNED. TERESA ROBINSOPd read the legal. notice for the public Y''t hearing: 4� PLEASE TAKE tioTICE that a public hearing will. be held Monday, December 14, 1992, at 8 :15 P.M. in the Town hall., Conger Boulevard, Groton., 11.Y., to consider the abandonment of Town Iiigh- ways. the Town. Highways hereinafter designated have not been opened or worked for more than six (6) years last past, and that the same have been abandoned by the public, and are no longer used as public highways, to wit:` I. The Town Line Road running along the Town Line between the 'Towns of Groton and Lansing between: Goodman Road on the south and Munson. Road on the north being 2,100 feet, more or less. 2. The Town Line Road running along the Town line between the Towns of Groton and Lansing between Buck Road, also known. as County Route 153 on the south and Luce Road, also known. as County Route 152 on the north, being 2,640 feet, more or Less. All. persons will. be heard. ROBINSON: Any questions or comments? V. RANKIPI: I don't; know about this, but I understand that Lansing has abandoned their side; is that; true? ROBINSON: Yes. V.'RANKIN: 'That's all I wanted to know, really. There's about 300 ft. rB Page 3 12/14/92 V. RMPKIN: there from a field of mine on the left side, which is the only access of that I have on that portion. of the road. I own half and they own hal.f. They haven't said .an.ything. I am not going to tell them anything, but outside of that, ° why I am happy with it is because we have other property out; through there. ROBINSON: You have access to it? V. RANKIN: No, I don't really have too good an. access to it. I have half an access to it right now. I would have when you abandoned it; too. WALPOLE: It's my understanding that the land refers back to the current property owner. ROBINSON: It does, as far as I know. WALPOLE: OK. FITZGERALD: It's like Verl said, half and half. WALPOLE: It goes to the center of the road, right? FITZGERALD: � yes. WALPOLE: When does that take effect; after resolution or is there r a waiting period? FITZGERALD: Just as soon. as resolution is passed. (HEARING CLOSED. MEETING BEGINS) CARL HAYNES motioned to accept the resolution of abandoning the road. DUTCH VANBENSCHOTEN .seconded the motion. ALT, IN FAVOROMOTION PASSED ROBINSON: Anybody want; privilege of the floor. (none) Monthly Reports L. BRENNAN: (referring to 2nd page of handout) - There have been a few transfers in the highway fund: From: Retirement DA9010.8 of $9,500.00 'ro be Used by other Gover.nement DA 51484 of $5,000,00. Brush and Weeds DA 5140.1 of $4,500.00. In the General. Fund From Budget 1340.1 of $2,800.00 ro Budget A1340.1 of $2,800.00. From Retirement A9010.8 of $2,000.00 to i Social. Security A9030.8 of $2,000.00. This should get TB 12/14/92 i)age 4 ;.r BRENNAN: us through the end of the year.. I would also like resolu Lion to modify the budget in the General. Fund to appropri the fund balance by decreasing it 1>y $20,000.00. $10,000, going t.o the IRS payment for their bil1 and also to open the Highway Equipment Capital Reserve Account which we had ^wt discussed a while ago; that's about $10,000.00. I need that: by the end of the year. I also need a r.esol.ution for this bill. coming out of the capital. fund. That was for the brushes around the building. This is information (handout.) on payroll. changes. Do you have any questions? HAYNES: The tridck that we just approved, are we going to have to make any budget, changes? . BRENNAN: I think we are encumbering what we got right now in the budget. now and the remainder well.]. take from the balance. It'> not going to effect next year's budget. It's in this year's budget;. HAYNES: Can you make the transfer from the capital. fund for the balance? BRENNAN: We can. do that .even into next year. We don't have to take R it; from this ,year's fund bal.an.ce. ROBINSuN: These increases in salary, are to be presented on. the first and changes that are down here, the auditor thought it woul.d be better to present it to you for your perusal. and have a resolution in accepting them. Do you have any questions? There is a maximum that they got. The ones that hadn't got a raise in. 1992 are going to get one to bring them up to base or near it and the raise for 1993 is the 4% raise. Al.so, five of i;hese wil.l. be getting two raises this year.; anniversary raises included. Back to the budget transfers; what is the IRS payment? BRENNAN: That is one that we have paid. 'Phat; is above what; they reimbursed us for. HAYNES: I have lost; track of what that is related to. Is that withholding of things? BRENNAN: Yes, it is Social. Seci.rrity that wasn't accounted for.. They would only account for the Federal deposit; and not the Social. Security. Then they would refund it so it messed it up from 1986 on.. Page 5 HAYNES: Are we anywhere near done on that? BRENNAN: Just; about done; if I don't, get another letter this week. It takes them a while to get what I sent. They are still. answering me from Oci.ober's corr.es pond en.ce. CAVIL HAYNES moved to accept the transfer as presented. LEWIS SOVOCOOL Seconded t ;he motion.. ALL IN FAVOR /MOTION PASSEL DUTCH VANBENSCHOTEN motioned to authorize the increase in pay. CARL HAYNES seconded t;he motion. ALL IN FAVOR /MOTION PASSED CARL, HAYPJES motioned to accept; the fund balance of $20,000.00 for t ;he IRS and t ;he highway capital. reserve. LEWIS SOVOCOOL Seconded the motion. ALL IN FAVOR /MO'PIO,,d PASSED LEWIS SOVOCOOL; motioned t ;o pay the Capital Landscape. DUTCH VANBENSCHOTEN seconded the motion. ALL IN FAVOR /MOTION PASSED Monthly Report; from George Sent_er SENTER: Al.l. I have are some real quick up- to-dat ;e information. From 1991 year -to -date, buil.ding permits issued was 78; 8 houses, 15 mobil. homes, 64 others. 1992 year -to -date was 85 buil.ding permits issued; 14 houses, 12 mobil homes, and 59 others. Houses were up almost doubl.e with mobile homes close to that. HAYNES: The assessments have been greater? SENTER: Yes. It; depends on what;'s been done out t ;here. We went out l.o John Anderson's place. We had to put off a few days because John's attorney was il.l. We wal.ked through, it was unfortunately snow covered. It Looked like some- thing had taken place; but; t ;hey had moved some things around. Alot; of what we saw was scrap wood. We t-.ol.d him we woul.d be back in a month (30 days) to see what was happening. We are real.l.y going out on a limb trying t ;o give them every opport ;un.ity t ;hey can to get; rid of t ;heir mess Doti there. c ROBINSON: Are they adding t;o it? SENTER: No. I don't see that t ;hey are. I took some pictures. It ws a cold, lal.ustery day. They did take some away so, at; lea: ?t Uieyy made an effort, which is more than what; i 41je 6 SENTER: they normally do; so, we are going out the first of the y ROBINSON: Any other problem -,? SENTER: I went passed Sherry O'Brien's. He still. has a problem out there The Plannin Board ave him until the first of the year. IF you look at it now, it looks better.. Fie does have them lined up. lie has a driveway between: them; although the vehicles are not. turn key cars, so, I'll go hack out at the first of the year and see what -he's got DUTCH: That was the problem with Locke, too many vehicles on the property. SENTER: Yes. I sent; him a letter. I am going to go out t;tiere next Saturday and do an MAR inspection. I tried to get his schedule for this past Saturday, but he wanted it for the 19th. He's got his house for sale. Fie came in and asked for an MIFtS permit. The Planning Board gave him it. I asked him why he wanted a permit; to sell cars when. his house and property was for sale. fie said tie was going to take it off the market because tie could make enough money doing the cars there to pay the taxes. He did take it off, then within, two m,;;nths or less, he put it back on. We'll. try to hold him t:o his special permit. The Planning Board just approved another one right; across the street. Charles volbrecht and another guy. FIAYITES: What is an MR? MaER: Motor Vehicle Repair. ROBINSON: Is that it? SENTER: Yes. Monthly Report; Lee Cornelius -- - - - - -- CORNEY: I don't have anything else. ROBINSON: You don't; have anything else to discuss? CORNEY: You told them about; the wages. I had just that and the _ bids. ROBIFdc,)tJ: OK. Colleen's Report and the Judges you have. From the funds that we get from the Federal Government, we are allowed to buy some equipment; and we n.eeded a locked filing cabinet. y 12/14/92 TB Page 8 FI']'ZGERAI,D: We have that in the Local. Law. You are going to have to change the local. late. ROBINSON: What does that encompass? having the law on the table? FITZGERALD: Yes, it has to be involved. ROBINSOU: Do you have to have a hearing? FITZGERALD: Yes. If you know what you want, discuss it first. and instruct us to prepare a local law. R0131NSON: We are going to the maximum. the school. has and the Village already has. I haven't discussed it with the Board yet. HAYPJES: Refresh me in. what this is about. ROBINSON* This is for half the taxes going for having an exemption for people over 65. SOVOCOOL: What was the income Level.? ROBINSON: We are at $12,025.00. HAYPJES: Is that the focus, trying to decrease that? ROBINSON: Yes. SOVOCOOL: What's the school. gone to? ROBINSON: The school. went to 1116,50.00, and the Village. HAYNES: Does that mean people at that age making $16,500.0. or less will have a 50% reduction in their taxes and also if you make $19,000.00 you get a percentage off on the school.? 1s it just the school.? FITZGERALD: If you havF no kids in school.. HAYPJES: And 65 years old and up? ROBINSON: Yes. I've been contacted by a few; there's only six or seven in the 'rown.ship and the Village. SENTER: I got a couple of questions, just out of curiosity. flow much revenue do you Lose from those particular six or seven. people? What is the percentage that is picked up from the rest of the Town.in relation to 'Down taxes and County and School. taxes? Do you have any figures? RO'hINSON: Actually it will. absorb it. SENTER• I would like to see the fi -ures ROBINSON: It's kind of hard because they vary so. Their incomes vary. FITZGERALD: You need to consider how many you'1.l. be picking up. 4..' _ TB 12/14/92 Page 9 ROBINSON: And how many have died. t „ FI'PZGERAI,D: Yes, but if you increase the Limit, you are going to be picking up somebody'. 'T'hey' 1.1. have to wait for the tax year to end; until they bring their taxes in.. ROBINSON: So, what do we do? FITZGERALD: We have to change the existing Local. Law. ROBINSON: What woul.d we have to do to them? FI'rZGERA'L,D : That's what. we do; change the existing Local. Law. HAYNES: We do the same thing we just-, did with the truck bid. FITZGERALD: Yes. It's a different process, but it's roughly the same. We have a Local. l.aw that has to be adopted. It has to sit on the desk for ten days; then have a hearing fol.lowin.g the hearing. 1 SENTER: Sometimes if you don't know what. you're looking at, you can't tell: what you're doing or going to do. ROBIP1SoN: We would- have to see what; needs to be done. first. F I'rZGERALD : You have the local, law that you're proposing in place. 'chat's what is put on your desk for the ten day period of time. Then it's publA shed and a hearing is set and there's a procedure fo1l. owing that. ITAYNES: Can we have the hearing in January? FITZGERALD: Yes. I know it's not going to effect next years taxes. We would have had to have done if in September or October. We have amended it; twice so far, I believe., If you can get me the folder with the figures you are al.l. agreeing on., bring it over,. here, put; it on your desk and scliedul.e the hearing. ROBINSON: Does it; go into effect; immediately after the hearing? F, i,rZGERAI,D : You can adopt; it, make it effective any time you want. ROBINSON: Tic:w does the Board feel.? S011000OL: I'm in favor of it. DUTCH: Yes. HAYNE,S: I secs no probl.em. I think it woul.d be useful.. 0 'rB 12/14,192 Paige 10 ROBINSON: OK. 'rhe Board is for the hearing. FI'r7GERAT D - You are geeing to know the people that are on the list now; there's going to be a few with increased incomes and a few died. rhat's the area you're going to be in. ROBINSON: rhere's only a few now. These are from the Town of Ithaca. SOVOCOOL: Yes, but you're probably going to have more.that; you don't have here on your list; now. HAYTTES: All. we are going to do is an approximation.. There's no hard core fact figures, right;? ROBINSON: Right. DUTCH: That's just for residential, right? 666 ROBINSON: Yes, I believe so. I don't think it would be £air to farmers. E' I'PIGERAL,D When is Colleen coming back? I need a photocopy of the file. � ROBINSON: We can get the files. FITZGERALD: t + Do you want to go to the maximum? ROBINSON: Yes. HAYNES: We should he consistent; with the County and schools. Sc)V0000L: Yes, consistent with the Village and the schools. FITZGERALD: Alright. DUTCH VAlTBEPdSCHOTEP, motioned to pass the increasing the income for the elderly. CARL HAYNES seconded the motion. ALI, IN FAVOR/MOTION PASSED. ROBINSON: The next issue we have is Perma Insurance; who has been asking us to change over our disability and State Insurance. All the contacts that I've had and all. the presentations they have made and all. the advice that I got from the other insurance people, they said it would be a smart move to go with Perma. The Village is with Perma. HAYNES: Perma is for what ;? r ROBINSON: It is an Insurance CoMpany. It's comparable to the State Insurance Fund. They hale a different presentation. HAYNES: What type of coverage do they have? ROBINSON: Disability; the same as we have now. 12/14/92 TB Page 11 x= HAYNES: What are the pros and cans for .this? ROBINSON: They are comparable except- that; Perma gives you back the funds. We can make money if we have a good work record. HAYNES: What is our record like? ROBINSON: Good. Our business with State is not that good. ROBINSON: They have not been. active as well as we wanted them to be. Phis is something that we are going to have to do or stay with State Insurance until, the end of December because if we don't;, they are cancelling our policy; contract. SOVOCOOL: Who is? ROBINSON: State Farm Insurance. We have already told them that; we were looking at somebody else. If we accept; this other one, Perma, we will automatically be through with State. SOVOCOOL: What is the cost? Is it; more or less? ROB.'NSON: Actually it's the same except with Perma, we'1.l- have money coming back to us. When we give it to State Ins.: they keep it. ' HAYNES: If you have a good record, it's a good deal.. If you don't, you aren't going to save anything. ROIMISON: Right. HAYNES: Do they provide training for people, inhere they come in and meet with people one -on. -one, to review loss prevention? ROBINSON: They also come in. and try to liel.p for hospital situations and doctors, or whatever, in getting the right places to go, so that you are taken care of during your stay and when you get home. They check on all of these_ places for you. HAYNES: Who else do we know has gone to them? ROBINSON: Chuck Rankin. Liz says they have gone with them and also a whole bunch of other towns. I went to one of their seminars and Chuck was there. They seemed quite thorough {;- with their investigations and information.. e SOVOCOOL: This has only been in effect a year so far according to this? ROBIPI =OP1: Yes, I believe it has. They have liability and other things that they do and this is their starting year. 12/14092 a, Page 12. HAYNES: What is the expiration date on our current insurance Policy? ROBINSON: 12031092. We have to let them r:now if we are considering other insurance representation; if we don't.......... in fact, I wrote them a letter stating that and somebody didn't read it all. the way through, so, they figured we cancelled and I had,to get a hold of them. They put us back on. the record. We are through way down. in. New York City. The guy from Rochester came and he was discussing what had happened and admitted that both were the same except; with Perma, we get back, whereas, State keeps it. HAYNES: What kind of premium is there? ROBINSON: Up in the thousands. About $5,000.00 and the same for the other one per year. It's a little over a thousand per quarter. That also depends on wages too. HAYNES: What; about transitions? ROBINSON: I don't; think there will. be much trouble. HAYNES: rhere are no cases pending or potential? ROBIPISOPI: We have one, but they have to deal. with that. It happened in their year, their time. VANBEPISCHO'CEN: You'll never know unless you try. SOVOCOOL: It's something new. VANBENSCHOTEN: The Village just picked it up? ROBINSON: Yes. They have been with it a couple of years. I know when Chuck was here, lie said he liked them. They were happy they went with them. FI TZGERALD : Insurance is exempt.. HAYNES: I guess it sounds OK. VATIBENSCHOTEN: Yes; I would enter the motion. l DUTCH VANBENSCHOTEN made the motion to switcli Insurance_ U over to Derma. LEWIS SOVOCOOL seconded the motion. ALL IN FAVOROMO'rION PAS 12/14/92 rB . Page 13 I ROBINSON: We didn't agree on any date to schedule the January Organizational. Meetin.a. HAYNES: Stick with the Second Monday, January 11, 1993. ROBHISON: Fitz, do you want the information. on the partial. exemption? FITZGERALD: Yes. LEWIS SOVOCOOL motioned to adjourn the meeting. CARL, HAYNES seconded the motion. ALL IN FAVOR /MOTION PASSED I, SANDRA D. DILLON, DO CERTIFY that these are the minutes from the December 14, 1992 hearing and meeting and are 21 true and accurate transcription., to the best of my ability. SMdra 1). Dillon Notary SttM Qf# � York No. 4B4 , AYUP C ^Ty r Novm0.-az I