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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-05-27 GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD MEETING Held at the Town Hall Groton , N . Y . Tuesday - May 27 , 1975 8 PM H . Fink - Chairman* H . Dow - Town Superintendent* G . Totman - Vice - Chairman* B . Bucko - Town AttornW D . Chase* J . Bell - Recording Clerk* D . Payne* Z . Kane Others • F . Scheffler Grace LePage R . Gleason* Bob Wright* * - Denotes those present . Mr . Fink called the meeting to order at 8 : 04 . He gave every member present a copy of the previous meeting and public hearing . Mr . Totman moved the Minutes be accepted as written and Mr . Gleason seconded the motion . The motion carried . H . Fink : I think since Mrs . LePage is right here now , before we go into any further business , we ' ll get right into her subdivision application . This is for a minor subdivision . This is Route 38 on the map and , correct me if I ' m wrong , this parcel here , - -which is 150 lot frontage by 222 ft . is on the old Peruville Road . She wants to sell this off . She has one to three more parcels she wants to subdivide . R . Gleason : Down there by the creek on one side ? G . LePage : The heavy line is the boundary . H . Fink : : She owns land on each side of the creek . B . Bucko : Where are the parcels going to cut off here ? G . LePage : They are cut off in the center line of the creek . B . Bucko : In other words you ' re saying the boundary lines are , - -where ? Boundary lines 2 and 3 - - center line of the creek , - - parcel 4 takes in. bank and other side of the creek and this field right in here ? H . Fink : This piece here is all but No . 4 . R . Gleason : Right . H . Fink : Also it abuts the next land owner here . B . Bucko : Actually will have 4 parcels . Doesn ' t that become a major one ? G . LePage : No , under 5 is a minor one . - 1 - H . Fink : That ' s right . G . Totman : A major subdivision means any . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " B . Bucko : You ' re right . D . Chase : On the right hand side of Route 38 going south ? H . Fink : That ' s right . D . Chase : Just about an acre on each one ? G . LePage : The entire acreage is 12 . 84 . R . Gleason : What ' s the 2 . 54 ? G : LePage : That leaves amount required for parcel 4 . R . Gleason : This is on the corner of Route 38 and Old Peruville Road , - OO . K . G . LePage : If it ' s approved this will be the fifth generation to live on this land . D . Chase : What ' s this right of way here ? G . LePage : New York State has an easement , I think for Route 38 . B . Bucko : Yes , for Route 38 . H . Fink : Do you understand everything , Roger , - -no problems ? Everything clear ? G . Totman : You have your approval from the Board of Health . G . LePage : I didn ' t get that to Mr . Fink on time because of the holiday . We had 12 foot test holes for each one of these 2 lots . These are tremendous considering the creek base right there . B . Bucko : Your driveway on parcel 4 , would be right here , wouldn ' t it ? G . LePage : It would be quite close to the easement . B . Bucko : It all depends on the easement , - -what the wording on it is , - - - G . LePage : That land is practically unreachable , - - no way to get to it from my land unless I go over here . I have an easement with McKay but doubt that I ' ll ever use it . G . Totman : Looking at this map , this is one of the very strong reasons we should have had zoning years ago , - -here ' s a piece of land , - - 10 acres , - - that has become dormant . B . Bucko : There ' s a bank in there so you could never get up there anyways . I would look into that easement because of the Owasco Inlet and the Conservation Department , G . LePage : I think Helen Amdur said they could use the land for flood control but it ' s still mine to use as I please . 2 - Be Bucko : You will be restricted within that 66 feet . G . LePage : But whoever buys this automatically gets this . Be Bucko : But this isn ' t big enough for a lot . G . LePage : Yes , it ' s , - - there ' s 300 or more frontage there . H . Fink : You ' re counting that whole total lot frontage - - - Be Bucko : That lot ' s going to end up in the flood insurance plan so you will have restrictions there on the north and insurance as far as building is concerned if they want to get insurance . What is the elevation here ? Is this subject to flooding ? G . LePage : It hasn ' t ever flooded in my memoray . Over on the other side of the creek there ' s quite a piece of flat land before the bank . R . Gleason : It probably would be possible to cut that bank down enough and put a road in there but it would be quite a project . Now you ' re proposing to sell all of these parcels ? G . LePage : For legal purposes , yes , but I ' ll deed them over to my children , parcels 2 and 3 for my children and keep parcel 4 for myself . And I ' ll have an agreement drawn up that if the children want to sell they will have to sell them back to me . Be Bucko : What kind of house ? G . LePage : Right now we all have new trailers , - - Be Bucko : Because mobile homes can only be put in agricultural zone and you are in a low intensity zone . Helen called me up on it . She was reading the mobile home definition but didn ' t go on to page 3 . G . LePage : I thought the size qualifies for low intensity . Be Bucko : They meet those requirements but the use for it is not there . G . LePage : when I own this , as of Friday at 3 o ' clock , I ' d never be able to sell it off ? Be Bucko : Not for mobile homes . G~ LePage : But I could for houses ? Be Bucko : It says , on page 3 " a parcel of land which . . . . . . . . . . " H . Fink : I saw this before , it doesn ' t give a clear definition . G . LePage : I don ' t see how you can differentiate between a parcel of land for mobile homes or home lots , - -no guarantee that they will always be mobile homes . B . Bucko : The thing is when the ordinance was proposed it defined . . . . . . . . , , . " In other words two or more mobile homes become a mobile home subdiv - ison or park and under the zoning ordinance can only go on agricultural land . 3 - G . LePage : Then the other article is contradictory . B . Bucko : It doesn ' t say that - - it says will be treated as single family residence . "On a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " Part of this is agricultural and part is low intensity . G . LePage : I ' d like to see that green book , though . I left mine in my car . R . Gleason : If you were just to put one trailer on , you would be 0 . K . but the minute you put two on it would become a park . G . LePage : I think that ' s a kind of dumb definition . Because if I didn ' t own all of that in the beginning and somebody else owned that lot and this one it wouldn ' t be a mobile home park , would it ? B . Bucko : You ' re right . G . LePage : Then , where ' s the justice ? B . Bucko : I guess it ' s to provide for orderly growth and two or more - - to make sure that they comply - with all the mobile home park regula - tions . G . LePage : So the zoning ordinance supersedes the mobile home ordinance ? B . Bucko : As to where it is located . G . LePage : There ' s one across the road but that ' s 0 . K . B . Bucko : That was there prior to the zoning ordinance . I think she was there prior to the zoning ordinance . G . LePage : No , she wasn ' t . So the man who sold her that lot can never sell another one for a mobile home ? B . Bucko : That ' s true . D . Chase : He could sell his property off but can ' t put in a mobile home . He could sell each one individually and they could put what they wanted in there . RA: Gleason : You ' re saying you ' re giving those two parcels to your children . What happens , Ben , if she had never said she was going to put mobile homes on there , - -could get the subdivision and then they come in and ask for permits for mobile homes and it ' s alright ? B . Bucko : That ' s the inconsistency . G . LePage : That ' s where I cooked my goose ! Trying to be honest ! G . Totman : Normally if this looks acceptable to the Planning Board tonight we would set up a public hearing and give property owners a chance to express their thoughts . If everything looks agreeable to the Planning Board they not only express what they think but have to go by the written law and if this is the way it ' s written have no choice but to have it resub - mitted so it does come within the law . You ' re right though and some people like to live in trailers , - - some people really take - 4 - G . Totman : offense at having trailers near their homes , but it ' s true , there ' s nothing wrong with trailers if they are taken care of and are located in the right places . The only thing is until we can get , - - the way I see it , - - see the legality of what you are proposing , - -we can ' t really hold a public hearing . R . Gleason : There ' s nothing in this application about mobile homes , - -you just simply spelled it out verbally . H . Fink : Has to go through a subdivision . G . LePage : I want to be surrounded by my children and grandchildren , - - can ' t you see that ? Some discussion was held by all present . G . Totman : You talked to Mrs . Amdur tonight , Ben , and explained this to her ? Was she in agreement with you ? Did she see it the way you do ? B . Bucko : She didn ' t read that section . G . Totman : We can sit here all night and get Grace more confused . I would like to suggest that Mrs . Amdur contact Ben and see if there is any legal way we , the Planning Board , could discuss this and if so we could hold a special meeting . B . Bucko : You should check , Grace , with the Conservation Department as to the Owasco Inlet . Not really concerned about the easement . The environ- mental aspects of it , - - they have to be notified of it and another thing is the Planning Board is going to have to get approval of the County Planning Board because this is within 500 ft . of a State high - way so would have to be submitted to them before it could be approved anyways . G . Totman : Yes , that ' s a common law . R . Gleason : Is this something that could go to the Zoning Board of Appeals ? B . Bucko : No . G . LePage : If they were houses this would be granted . B . Bucko : No , I don ' t think that ' s a fair statement . More discussion was held on this by B . Bucko , G . LePage and others . H . Fink : As a course of procedure , do we have to get hold of the County Planning Board before we take any further steps ? B . Bucko : The only time you get in touch with them is after you hold a public hearing . G . LePage : I guess it ' s pretty well settled . It ' s no so far unless Helen can find something to argue with you about it . H . Fink : No , there ' s a lot more discussion to have on this . We asked Ben to be here tonight so we:, wouldn ' t get in a bind with you or the County afterwards . - 5 - H . Fink : I ' m not , - -my feeling is we are not saying no at this moment by any means . This is still open for further discussion . G . Totman : I think you stated earlier , - -you said where you lived before , - - you wouldn ' t want a mobile home across the road be it a mobile home or low class house , would be the same sort of thing . If the Planning Board had had a request when you lived up there and gave approval you might be down here jumping around and saying we didn ' t do our job right . That ' s why I suggested Helen meet with Ben and we will get back with Ben and , if it ' s feasible , call you back and hold another meeting and see whether we should hold a public hearing or not . G . LePage : I see , - - that would be in about a month then ? H . Fink : No . B . Bucko : I ' ll get hold of Helen tomorrow . G . LePage : I intended to sell this off tomorrow but will just sell the whole thing if there ' s no other way . B . Bucko : May we keep one copy of the map ? G . LePage : Yes , I ' ll just keep one . 0 . K . Thank all of you . H . Fink : Thank you for coming , - - don ' t feel we have said no . G . Totman : Even though we have . Not really , - - our hands are tied right now , - - that ' s all . H . Fink : We should be legal and we have rules and regulations to follow . R . Gleason : We could agree with you but if we went ahead and agreed with you and we were wrong and the whole thing would be thrown out and we would all be in trouble . (Mrs . LePage left the meeting at-_ this point . ) H . Fink : Alright , - - now Bob Wright is submitting his plan .tonight . There ' s one thing wrong on it . This is a survey of the intended lots but not a survey of the entire tract . G . Totman : How many acres are there in the entire tract ? B . Wright : 43 acres but this is only part that will be developed . G . Totman : You ' re only applying for a minor subdivision now , - - just for the first 3 lots ? H . Fink : The first one doesn ' t have enough road frontage , - - just 125 ft . , - - that ' s going to be sold to the man next door to enlarge his present lot . B . Bucko : He understands he can never build on it ? 6 - Be Wright : He understands , - - it will just add to his lot . G . Totman : He can change his deed and put it all in one deed . Be Bucko : Because he has 2 deeds will make it a conforming lot so when he goes to sell it , he will have to sell the whole thing . Be Wright : He understands that . I told him he would have to have at least 150 ft . Be Bucko : So then , you are only going to develop 2 and 3 ? H . Fink : Right but will be 3 parcels to be sold and has already sold one other one . So that ' s his limit - - 4 . D . Chase : Where is this located ? H . Fink : Old Stage Road and Chipman ' s Corner Road , Be Bucko : Where does B - - - - - - - - - - live ? Be Wright : Next to Stromms . D . Chase : . The north - east side of it . G . Totman : That ' s in low intensity . D . Chase : This would be the western section , is that right ? Be Wright : Yes , Be Bucko : Are you going to put up mobile homes or houses ? Be Wright : Houses , G . Totman : You ' re goingito sell them with houses on them ? Be Wright : Probably . I put a deed restriction on Tichenor that it would have to be at least a $ 30 , 000 house . R . Gleason : That should be noted on your application . Be Wright : Where do you want it listed ? Right here ? G . Totman : You ' re going to do the same thing with the rest of these ? Be Wright : Yes , G . Totman : Ben , - - according to what you ' ve seen so far here , - - everything so far as the application goes , - - looks pretty much in order , - - except for the out - line of the whole parcel . Be Bucko : That ' s right . Is Stage Road a town road ? R . Gleason : Yes , Be Bucko : So won ' t need to get the County Planning Board involved in it . G . Totman : What I ' m getting at is , if we had total property we could set a date for a public hearing . 7 - D . Payne : Is there any reason why you don ' t want to go for a major subdivision now ? B . Wright : Not particularly , - - thought this would be faster . Be Bucko : You ' re going to have to have a plat eventually to be filed with the County Clerk ' s office . Be Wright : Right . H . Fink : That ' s on major subdivisions , right ? Be Bucko : No , minor . On the map have engineer ' s statement . Engineer ' s will verify that . Be Wright : Yes . G . Totman : And Health Department tests . Be Wright : They haven ' t been tested yet . Do they have to be before you approve it ? Be Bucko : If this is approved and the Health Department says no you need more than 150 ft . then you have to come back with a new map . G . Totman : To me , it ' s safer if you get it approved first . Be Bucko : But the Health Department takes the position they won ' t come out and do tests for a minor subdivision . That ' s why this statement in here is your requirement but you ' re looking at it the same way I am , before this is approved by health department how do you know they ' ll approve 150 ft . lots . The Planning Board approve this , say , and then you sell the lot and go to build a house and the Health Department say no it has to be 175 ft . frontage , then you have to go through the whole thing again . G . Totman : That ' s what I was getting at . They come in and take perk test after he sells 2 lots and then they come in and say you haven ' t got enough frontage , so I think it ' s the best idea to have the tests taken first . R . Gleason : You just said they wouldn ' t do it . Be Bucko : They will do it if you ask them . R . Gleason : Oh , - -O . K. G . Totman : I ' m sure Bob wouldn ' t want to sell land if it didn ' t get Health De - partment approval . Be Bucko : I know Bob and I ' m sure he wouldn ' t . Be Wright : I ' d sell it subject to Health Department approval . Do you need the whole property surveyed or just a sketch of it all showing where this is ? Be Bucko : It says : " a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " G . Totman : Let me ask you what you are really saying . Supposing he has the out - - 8 - G . Totman : line of his whole property and the corner markers here on the property and this sketch here is down in the corner and distances shown on it . He ' s not having per se the whole property surveyed but just -where it is in relation to the whole property . Be Bucko : It ' s simpler but it says an actual field survey of the boundary lines . You made Roger do it . The thing is , he can go over here and . . . . . . . . . this and say - - R . Gleason : I don t think you need to survey all that , - - that goes to the north - east , - - just what ' s in relation to this . Be Bucko : The Planning Board can ' t make a judgment without taking a look at the whole picture . G . Totman : I feel another thing , - -we have to look at is we don ' t know where the other land is and have to watch and see we aren ' t making land go dormant and we don ' t know it looking at this . Be Bucko : Can he draw a sketch of the entire parcel from the deed and locate the 4 lots in there ? G . Totman : That ' s basically what we are looking for . Be Wright : Yes , I can do that . H . Fink : Would a sketch suffice ? Be Bucko : Let me put it this - way . You ' re going to have to have a special cir - cumstances ' waiver . G . Totman : So you go back to your surveyor and he sketches out the whole property and he gives on that the distances from where this is to the back lines the corners of the tract . How do we know that he takes an actual field survey ? Be Bucko : Well , it would be a map like Grace LePage had . My suggestion to the Board is because this parcel is so long and so big that you get a sketch 400 ft . to the inch and show these lots in relation to that sketch - - from the deed . Be Wright : This sketch here is 400 ft , to the inch . R . Gleason : Isn ' t that a tax map ? Be Wright : Yes . R . Gleason : I don ' t know what else we should need but that . H . Fink : Unfortunately this is what we have told other people to do . I talked to Bob and looked at this and saw the entire tract wasn ' t done . Do you go into special hardship clause ? We should have some kind of rule of thumb for people who apply for subdivisions . Now is the tract the subdivision or the deeded parcel ? Define the tract under Section B there . 9 - Be Bucko : Roger ' s is a little different because he has four corners separating his property and the Board took the position of not going to treat all of his land as one parcel . G . Totman : According to Article 6 , Section 6 . 1 , it says : "where the Planning Board finds . . . . . . . . . it may vary regulations so substantial justice be done and . . . . . . . " Thinking about that and with that in mind , - - if we ask him to give us from the tax map , - -have surveyor make it out from the tax map so we know what amount of land is on each and could take a vote that we go for special variance . Be Bucko : I wouldn ' t go with tax map , I ' d go with your deeds . G . Totman : The reasoning behind this is because of the largeness of the lot and it - would be such an immense cost to do the whole thing . I personally think a motion should be made that we do it that way . H . Fink : Do I hear a second on that motion ? R . Gleason : I ' ll second it . H . Fink : Let ' s have a little discussion on that , - - Ben , legally -wise , are we alright ? Be Bucko : Yes , that section gives you leeway - - Article 6 , - - I don ' t think the other 2 people who dropped off maps in my office would complain because if they ever go into any major subdivision will have to have it done . I don ' t think you ' re setting a dangerous precedent . When he goes with major subdivision will have to do it then . Be Wright : When you have a major subdivision the whole thing has to be surveyed ? H . Fink : Actually the whole thing in a minor subdivision should be . Be Bucko : When you go to major subdivision will have to list all trees 8 inches in diameter . Be Wright : You ' ve got to be kidding ! Be Bucko : No . R . Gleason : That ' s going to be fun ! H . Fink : Any further discussion on the motion ? G . Totman : This is surveyed right here . What he is going to do is have the sur - veyor go back and from his deeds show corners where it is in re - . lationship to the rest of the lot . R . Gleason : There ' s a question I want to ask . H . Fink : Does this pertain to the motion on the floor ? R . Gleason : Well , - - I ' ll bring it up later . D . Payne : You feel what ' s surveyed right now is sufficient ? H . Fink : The motion doesn ' t call for a field survey . 10 - G . Totman : It will be figured from the deeds . H . Fink : Any further discussion ? B . Bucko : In other words , what you are saying , Don , is the motion could be amended to include that parcel , - - that ' s what you ' re saying ? D . Payne : Right . Some discussion was held on this by G . Totman , B . Wright and others . H . Fink : Any further discussion on the motion ? D . Payne : I still wonder if maybe we shouldn ' t have this particular section surveyed . I ' m talking about this section of land that this is actually in . B . Wright : It ' s pointed out on the tax map by the topography of the land . B . Bucko :, In B it says " tract" , - - in F it says "plat" and when you go back to plat - - showing the proposed subdivision , - - see the inconsistency ? In B under Minor Subdivision - - boundary lines of the tract , - - the plat to be filed in the County Clerk ' s Office . D . Payne : The plat actually , - - - H . Fink : This is what I ' m asking you , - -what is the definition of tract ? B . Wright : This is known as Stage tract . B . Bucko : My feeling is they want an actual field survey of the whole parcel to show - - - - R . Gleason : I assumed they were talking about parcel that was going to be sub - divided . You ' te not doing whole big tracts , just more basically what you are going to sell . B . Bucko : Yours is different because you ' re on 4 corners . B . Wright : This is the lot I sold to Tichenor . B . Bucko : This is Roger - s - - can you just do that ? H . Fink:i, I think the discussion is going too far on this . He is back as far as he is going to go on open land . George ' s motion gives him the leeway not to have a field survey . B . Bucko : And if this is all the parcel of land that is going to be developed , that ' s all you want . H . Fink : If you come up with a sketch of the land behind this , it would make us happy . All in favor of the motion , signify by right hand . - 11 - e D . Chase : I would like to have the motion reissued . G . Totman : Basically , what I ' m saying is in reading the provisions in the ordinance for hardships , - -Article 6 ., I ' m proposing that .we bypass the requirement of having the whole parcel or tract of land surveyed and ask that Bob go back to his surveyor and pick out the distances on the deeds and sketch them in on this plan we have so that we , as a Planning Board , can tell how far this tract is from distances of the major tract and see whether this has actual 150 ft . frontage and intended use so we don ' t bond some land in - - inaccessable for anything , and would be doing our ' job in looking at the whole plat . The reason for doing it this - way is it ' s such a large parcel of land and too expensive to do it the other way . B . Bucko : The motion is really to grant him a waiver by providing this sketch . The motion was passed unanimously . H . Fink : 0 . K . , Bob , - - I don ' t see any problem if you can get - that to us , we ' ll set a date for a public hearing . B . Wright : 0 . K . , - - give me some indications of problem on the right of way . B . Bucko : Where is that right of way ? H . Fink : On Old Stage Road . B . Bucko : So you just . want right of way to get into your land ? B . Wright : Right , - to go in with a tractor to pull trees down , - - in other words , it ' s just a right of way to the woods . H . Fink : He has ample acess on Chipman ' s Corners Road so having 20 ft . on one road doesn ' t interfere with entry to his land . B . Bucko : This right of way is only going to be used by you ? B . Wright : Yes , unless I sold all the woods to somebody else , - - it - would go to them . D . Chase : The right of way is defined as 50 ft . - - - - - so guess that ' s for a road . B . Wright : I don ' t - want to have a road . D . Chase : 0 . K . R . Gleason : Supposing he gets it all sold and , for the sake of argument , I buy it , - - have we got to go through a major subdivision to do that ? B . Bucko : I see no problem because you ' re not building but you ' re going to have to put 17 , 000 8 inch trees on that ! H . Fink : There has to be a reason why they point out 8 inch trees and in a subdivision my interpretation is that it ' s to preserve those . R . Gleason : How detailed does it have to be ? 12 - Y H . Fink : This will take some studying , I ' m sure of that ! I think it would be a good idea if before we really tackle this we take aside up there and take a look at it . B . Bucko : There are six trailers there . G . Totman : If these have been sold since 1972 , shouldn ' t we first take a look and see if he is in defiance of the ordinance already ? D . Payne : I don ' t think we should condone it by going along with further violations . B . Bucko : In a sense , - - yes , - -he hasn ' t complied with the ordinance somewhere along the line he should have been stopped . Now look and see whether you can approve his filing for a major subdivision . D . Payne : Maybe we ought to check and see if building permits were ever issued and also Board of Health approvals . D . Chase : Why so nice now , - -with a map ? H . Fink : Are you his attorney , Ben ? B . Bucko : I was . I ' ve explained to him he has to go through this and has already sold lots in violation of subdivision regulations . G . Totman : We can only look at it for what he is filing for now . B . Bucko : He ' ll have to file for a major subdivision . H . Fink : Any other business to be brought up ? R . Gleason : Yes , - - I have my map to submit . You have the other map , I believe . Here ' s your 5 copies and I think you have 5 of the other one . You have the description too , I hope . Here ' s the tax map showing the plot where it is right here . H . Fink : Why not explain this a little bit ? R . Gleason : I ' m proposing a minor subdivision and - - - H . Fink : You sold this parcel over here , - - the one your Dad was living in . R . Gleason : This was sold years ago . This was sold 1972 or 1971 , that was where my Dad lived , - -where the trailer is now , - - is where the Howe house was . H . Fink : Well , if you say this was sold in 1972 , why are you proposing a minor subdivision ? B . Bucko : I think the Board took the position that anything on this side of Clark Street is a separate deal , so actually you have 2 lots right here . H . Fink : 0 . K . So you ' re applying for this subdivision 1 . 5 Corner of Old Stage Road and Clark StreetExtension , the south -west corner ? - 114 - R , Gleason : Right . H . Fink : This is the only parcel you intend to sell off ? 'v R , Gleason : As of right now , G , Totman : What you are proposing to sell is this one here ? R , Gleason : Yes , H , Fink : This one here is about an acre and a half , Be Bucko : 11 , 56 , . .a G , Totman : If, everything -- else ---.he needs :::hasbeen . submitted , the next thing - we have to do is approve it for a hearing , R . Gleason : Possibly you could have it at the same time as Bob Wright ' s . H , Fink : I believe everybody should have a copy of the small map , - - G , Totman : We have looked it all over before and , correct me if I ' m wrong , but he ' s done everything he has to do legally . Be Bucko : Is there a statement on the sanitation ? G , Totman : I would move we let Roger know the date of the public hearing and that we have it on the same date as Bob Wright ' s . D , Payne : I second the motion , H , Fink : The motion has been made and seconded , - - any discussion ? There being no further discussion will call for a vote , - - the motion was carried with Mr . Gleason abstaining from the vote . H , Fink : Roger , we ' ll notify you of the date of the public hearing . D . Chase : I ' d like to make a motion to close this meeting , H . Fink : Any other business ? G . Totman : Why should we have another meeting before the public hearing , - - is it agreeable that if Bob Wright submits the right map and if Ben and Harvey agree on it , can Harvey set the publis hearing date without having to call another meeting ? I ' d move it . would be 0 . K , If Mr . Wright does what we asked him to do tonight - - - Some discussion was held on this by all present . Be Bucko : Let ' s suggest this . If he doesn ' t come in - with his plan , it ' s too bad , but why hold Roger up ? H , F , 0 , K . Let ' s set Wednesday night , June llth , at 8 P , M , for the Public Hearings on Roger Gleason ' s and Bob Wright ' s applications . D , Chase : I make the motion the meeting be adjourned , D , Payne : I second the motion . Motion carried , The meeting adjourned at 10 : I5 P . M . Respectfully submitted �, f� - 15 - ` Jose Nine Bell