HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-03-25 Y . .
PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING
Held at the
Town Hall , Groton , N . Y .
Tuesday , March 25 , 1975 .
PRESENT : Frank Liguori - Tompkins County Planning Board
George Totman - Chairman , Groton Town Planning Board
Harvey Fink - Groton Town Planning Board
Roger Gleason - Groton Town Planning Board
Hicks Dow - Supervisor - Town of Groton
Verl Rankin - Town Board - Groton
F . Satterly - Village of Groton Mayor
L . Proper - Village Trustee
G . Watrous - Village Trustee
D . Griffin - Village Board
R . Hastings
K . Heffron
R . Stevenson
C . Stamm
Mary Evelyn Dempsey - Cortland Standard
Josephine Bell - Recording Clerk .
G . Totman : At the last Town Planning Board meeting , we decided to ask Frank
to come over and bring us up to date on what the County has been
doing and is planning . He suggested we invite the Village Plann -
ing Board and anybody interested in coming to listen to his jargon .
I ' m unhappy to have to say I see more Village people here than Town
Planning Board members .
I also asked our secretary to come tonight to take notes of the
meeting and any questions asked so can use it later on for in-
formation at Planning Board sessions . Thought it would mean more
if we had something to read later on and will get copies to the
Village members if you like . 0 . K . Frank , - - -
(Mr . Liguori placed four different charts on the bulletin
board covering ( 1 ) Development Intensity Corridor Pattern ,
( 2 ) Development Intensity Selective System , ( 3 ) Development
Intensity Sprawl Pattern and ( 4 ) Development Intensity Existing
Pattern . )
F . Liguori : Thank you . Some of you probably have heard this before . I ' ll
try to keep it to the point and brief . One of the functions of
the County Planning Board is to attempt to develop a comprehensive
plan for the future development of the entire county . Proper
frame of levels for each city , village , town and have been working
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F . Liguori : on this now for the last few years and . to date have completed
several of the functional area studies which include things
such as environmental resources in the county , transportation
networks in the county , community facilities , which includes
water and sewer , and other kinds of services . communities pro -
vide - housing , human resources , economy , land uses and really
what we call a policy plan . I ' m hoping that policy plan is the
kind , - - the heart of the whole thing , - -because it ' s this kind
of document which will attempt somehow to spell out what -it 'is
that the people of the county , as a whole , hope to achieve .
What do we want to achieve ? In transportation , community
services and so on . Once we know then we can begin to spell
out the things we have to do over a period of time to accomplish
that goal or at least strive towards it and then , also , decide
what kind of a policy would be required by each municipality and
county government in order to make sure we are going in the
direction to achieve those goals . This is the heart of the general
plan because if you don ' t have that kind of system you can end up
with it being a document that is interesting but with no way to
implement it .
Right now we are at the phase of a rough draft of a policy plan .
County Planning Board , a group of people represented by each
municipality and agencies like Cornell University , Ithaca
College , education departments , agriculture and so on . Right
now we are trying to work together and its the kind of input
that gives us the insights we need to try to understand what
people would like so we come then to the phase of the plan
then that has to do with land use .
Through our County planning efforts we have , I think , achieved
a good understanding of what it is that makes the land use
policies in this county , the way it is presently used and for
various kinds of activities , trends , - - that is what is happening
now in terms of land use and development intensity factors that
tend to influence land use and as a result of this have arrived
at four patterns as to what the county might look like 25 years
from now . We ' ll see if we opted or selected certain courses
of action , - - selections of one of these patterns could be the
goal . If you would like to achieve this kind of pattern these
are the kind of things you might do and consider . All of
these start out with the assumption that the county will continue
to grow and at the turn of the century will have an increase of
20 , 000 people - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -around 100 , 0000
- - - - - - - - growth , certainly not - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - but the kind of
economy most people would like .
This map shows existing development patterns of the county .
You ' ll recognize shape - - Cayuga Lake here , - -village and town
of Groton here - - The dark brown areas represent greatest density , - -
there are nodes of intense development in Dryden and a little in
Groton . Next highest level is the orangey brown color which
spars out from Ithaca urban area and some of the other outlying
communities . The yellow represents a light intensity of develop -
ment . The white spacing would indicate sparse development , - -
cluster of houses here and there but relatively light intensity
development . Dark green represents land that is presently
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F . Liguori : committed and probably will be committed to open space , - - State Park
property , properties owned by municipalities , or by universities , or
by others and , during a period of time , they will remain the same
and 25 years from now , or 100 years from now , will still be bound up
as open space .
The light green areas are existing viable farms . Farms that have
been classified by the experts at Cornell as being existing viable
farmlands , - - in Groton , Dryden , Ulysses , Lansingand if you watch
these different communities as they go through the years , - - -now
you can see that there is already a beginning of sprawl , - - strip
developers along major highways , - - as an example Route 79 , Slater -
ville Road , and along Route 13 , and along Triphammer , Warren Road , - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - , - - - - - -of activities
that you can tell community activities have started in some variations
with light intensity development . So , there ' s a different trend started
along the Trumansburg Road , - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - of nodes of
activities .
The first possibility , in terms of the future , could be what you
might call no growth , - -could occur through natural sources , some -
thing could happen to the economy , - - say - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - in
terms of energy problem and it ' s possible that in the next 25 years
there could be no growth . There ' s no indication of that at the
present time but we have to think of it as a possibility . Another
way would be by deliberate actions by government , cities , villages
and towns . If they did things to discourage growth - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I mention this to you because there are
people within the County who advocate that kind of thing . In my
opinion that ' s against the constitution as people have a right to
move and live wherever they please .
Growth has been primarily in migration , rather than high birth
rate and there ' s no doubt in my mind that it will be by migration
- - people moving in because they like the country , or job opportun -
ities , or educational opportunities , - - for whatever reason , - -people
will be moving into the country .
To assume a deliberate no growth you would have to establish things
that would discourage growth , discourage industries and housing .
Management of growth is completely different than no growth but
nevertheless if you have no growth from natural sources or deliber -
ate actions , you can see it will look the same 25 years from now as
it does now .
Assuming now that we don ' t have a no growth posture and we desire
growth and don ' t do anything really to try to control or manage
growth and let things continue the way they are now with each
municipality assuming somewhat a parochial posture , - -essentially
maintaining a status quo , doing some management but not really
coming out with a strong policy to try to change it . In that
event what we would see would be a continuation of the sprawl on
our major highways like Slaterville Road , - - could drive for miles
and miles and all along the road there will be houses , maybe not
too deep , but all kinds of housing along these roads , - - strip
development , if you will .
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F . Liguori : The population of 25 , 000 new growth bulk - would be in Ithaca
urban area like here and there throughout the County . Then
there is the problem how do you serve these new homes with
facilities , - - the tax base is not there , - - to have water and
sewerage along highways would have to involve several govern-
ments , the City of Ithaca , Town of Ithaca and maybe the Town
of Ulysses . There would be several municipalies that would
have to be involved to extend public water and sewerage and
the cost of the extension would be very high because of the
inefficiency of growth , - - trying to serve that kind of growth
situation with public transport is not very good either .
There are not enough people really to serve them efficiently .
Opportunities for some sort of transport system would be much
less . You would begin to lose the rural characteristics of
the County . Again , as you drive along roads you see farms
but each year they get a little farther away . If you were to
sum it up , :lyou would conclude that costs on economy and pro -
viding services , general cost in terms of this type of develop -
ment are quite high . Neighborhoods tend to become weak .
It ' s hard to tell anybody where you really live , i . e . Slaterville
Road , Trumansburg Road , - - another alternative) can ' t we somehow or
other try to confine that strip development into broader
corridors and this map tends to do that . You could say this is
a little more efficient . And this kind of thing doesn ' t occur
just here , - - it occurs from Trumansburg out from Groton out from
Dryden and so on . You could first extend water and sewers with
careful controls so you could begin extending sewers a distance
and allow development . There ' s still a tendency to be quite
extravagant in use of land , - - still difficult in terms of providing
opportunities for a county -wide approach for public transport
and terms of social and economic costs .
The last alternative , and by the way in all of these you see
dark green patches where we show farms individually , - - these are
the farms as Cornell indicates are viable farms and here we show
them in terms of agricultural districts and general areas where
farming ought to be - preserved . You begin to see a loss of some
farms between this and this here and primarily loss of these will
be in the southern part of the county and it ' s quite predictable
that many of the farms will continue to go up for market and
the southern part of the county will become less and less viable
in terms of agriculture .
The last approach says that perhaps we could select certain com-
munities that already have a vitality for growth - - perhaps they
have public sewer or water , or perhaps they already have a fire
station or downtown or neighborhood shopping center . Select
some of these communities where the potential is and that have
possibilities for utilities and by redirecting land use
ordinance of one sort or another i . e . smaller lot sizes in
immediate village or town areas in , say , Groton or Trumansburg
or Ludlowville , South Lansing , Myers , and certainly in the
Village of Dryden , also perhaps Freeville , you have to carefully
select these . But select some of these communities and through
changes in zoning ordinances will have incentives for growth .
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F . Liguori : Smaller lot sizes provide disincentives elsewhere , - - in other words
larger lot areas and subdivision regulations elsewhere . In effect ,
to encourage growth here and here and discourage growth elsewhere .
That doesn ' t mean in any of these that a person couldn ' t build on
Bone Plain Road , or Sheldon Road , they can but it would try to dis -
courage it so people would have larger lot sizes so would not be any
apartment houses , - -what we are really saying is if another cluster
begins somewheres in here there ' s no way as a county , - - as a town , - -
that you can really provide utilities to that cluster as it begins
to grow because the cost would be too expensive . We feel that
selective communities could grow with discouragement of growth
elsewhere . What does that mean ? - - it strengthens smaller places , - -
Groton , - now has a good public water supply , sewer system , treatment
plant , downtown shopping area , fire station and , certainly , Groton
could extend to a group of 1 , 000 in the next few years . People
would have less need for school buses because they would be nearer .
That also enhances possibility of selective community growth and
it could really work .
They might say , - -O . K . since these communities have been selected
for growth within a certain period of time , we will see there ' s
public community transport going to those communities . I think if
you think of the advantages you can see several more . It maintains
the rural characteristics of the county in the state it ' s in now , - -
it ' s much more efficient preservation and costs much less with this
pattern than with other patterns . So far the County Planning Board
seems to prefer this pattern and urges others to promote this and
I , personally , am very much in favor of this pattern over the
others and would like your impressions and opinions of them and
of how you think it could work . It ' s a careful direction to
comprehensive serious planning . The County - - - - - - - - - - - - Agency ,
after looking at these , found this one the one they would favor
and are now doing a study of the entire county as to what sewage
needs might be 25 years from now and it makes a lot of sense because
if engineers were asked to prepare a plan to meet this or to meet
this they would tell you in a very short time it ' s not possible
or economical under our present existing economy to a sprawled or
built up area like this .
We have estimated use of 203, 000 additional increase of population ,
- - perhaps 60% would occur in Ithaca urban area and selected areas
like Trumansburg , Groton , - - - - - - - perhaps would be an additional
growth of 6 , 000 to 7 , 000 . So you can see that doesn ' t mean Groton would
grow too rapidly , - - maybe your share would be 1 , 500 or 2 , 000 which is
enough growth to keep the community vitality going . We estimate
throughout the rest of the county new growth would be 2 , 000 to 3 , 000 .
Now , I would like your opinion and will open this meeting up for
discussion or questions or any other approaches you might suggest . _
D . Griffin : Do you believe , Frank , there ' s room for 2 , 000 more people in the
Village of Groton ?
F . Liguori : I ' m not implying just the village itself .
D . Griffin : If you go too far out , wouldn ' t be able to do that .
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F . Liguori : That would be one of the limiting factors as to how far out you would
want to go . I think you could serve an additional 1 , 000 or so .
F . Satterly : It ' s designed to serve about 3 , 500 .
F . Liguori : This doesn ' t guarantee that Groton would grow , - - the incentives are
there . There would have to be other attributes too . It ' s possible
that one community or another would absorb a little more and as time
goes on might have to redirect policy a little bit . But without this
kind of an approach , it is quite possible that Groton would not
maintain a very low growth profile and it seems to me the opportunities
are there for these communities to provide the kind of services
necessary .
D . Griffin : Like the 701 report pointed out , - -very little .
G . Totman : It ' s pretty much the same thing . They directed the concentrated growth
towards the Village area .
D . Griffin : I ' m talking in terms of Groton , - - I didn ' t see any substantial growth
in that 701 .
G . Totman : They predicted no growth for Groton .
F . Satterly : We ' ve grown quite a bit .
G . Totman : With that study Niederkorn made , Groton exceeded that the first year .
F . Liguori : I think that ' s left up to the local community .
G . Totman : Didn ' t I read also that you are looking into other areas like the
health department , for example , looking for areas where sewage is a
problem , for example - Groton City , McLean area , etc . would have a
sewage problem whereas if you can concentrate the growth where sewage
is available - -
F . Liguori : The forces that are acting on this kind of a project are already here .
We have probably seen the last apartment house on septic tanks that
we will see for a long time . Forces of environmentalists are acting
in that direction so what I ' m suggesting is if things are really mov -
ing that way let ' s decide we are going to help them move that way .
With a little extra help I think we can achieve something like this .
F . Satterly : The areas designated as open space , - - - like Fall Creek is proposed as
another area , - -how much growth in those areas could develop ? Is it
limited ? How much land does that encompass ?
F . Liguori : I think it ' s pretty clear the Fall Creek area itself people would like
to see it preserved . The biggest problem is how do we go about it ?
They are suggesting let ' s do it locally instead of coming down to us
through the State level . There ought to be consideration given in
terms of limiting growth .
F . Satterly : Why I mentioned it is that going through McLean and Groton it would
affect Groton City ,
G . Totman : It would affect the growth . If it goes through the way it ' s presently
being planned , - - it ' s 500 ft . each side and within that area before you
could build an apartment house or a dwelling unit that requires sewage
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G . Totman : you would have to get a permit or clearance through whatever agency
governs it ,
F . Liguori : The Department of Environmental Conservation , - -what is the objective
on Fall Creek ? We are going to get around to preparing something for
that ,
F . Satterly : We have a place here along our creek , - -we ' re preserving it ,
F . Liguori : I think that ' s very wise . You can set up controls and make recommenda -
tions to each of the towns and villages involved and , if they see fit ,
they can adopt that plan and tailor their ordinances . Basically all it
means is a common decision by all of them to limit growth and perhaps
cut down the corridor .
F . Satterly : In the McLean area , I think it might be quite wide .
D . Griffin : Do you expect growth by the airport ?
F . Liguori : The airport has got to stay there and we must get land use controls in
the vicinity so we don ' t get development that encroaches on the airport ,
The highway , I ' m hoping , there ' s still a good possibility of a new Route
13 corridor which would end up at Pooksville , - -.�, someday �• it =-will be a
limited access . That kind of thing means there will be no strip develop -
ment along here .
D . Griffin : A better highway into the city would help us .
F . Satterly : It would be taking less viable land , too .
G . Totman : Frank , - - I ' m not sure if anyone else here has been going to the County
Planning Board meetings , - - these plans you have now after you have
taken them around and discussed them with the various towns in the
county , what do you propose to do with them?
F . Liguori : If we can get a concensus of one of them we ' ll begin talking to in -
dividual communities in details of which ones should be selected .
Certainly Trumansburg , Groton and Dryden should be selected . Free -
ville , - - there ' s still some question , - - some indication that they don ' t
want growth and somehow or other they have to face their sewer
problems . Newfield we have to decide on - - is it a potential for
growth ? I think it could be with assistance on public sewer system
and so on . once you have decided tentatively which communities ought
to go then you work with the town boards , planning boards and village
boards and their ordinances to see what kind of changes would be re -
quired in order to accomplish this . For instance , at the Town Planning
Board level here one of the policies would be that you would discourage
growth or larger subdivisions except in areas that could potentially
be serviced and you have to think of the implications of that . So
we begin to point out what kind of controls would be necessary and
after we get some concensus , - - these are the plans , these are the
policies , these are the changes and hope the municipalities would
adopt this plan and from them decisions would be based upon trying to
accomplish this goal . Some developer might come there and say I want
to put in a complete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - this would be a decision
which would have to be worked out with the county and municipality in-
volved .
G . Totman : In terms of time , then , supposing one of the towns in the county has a
zoning ordinance and see some inequities and want to reevaluate and
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G . Totman : propose changes , would this plan going in and coming back from the
county , - - - would you suggest the towns ought to wait and include it
all in the same change ?
F . Liguori : I think once we arrive at a conclusion on this you will begin to
find that things will begin to act almost immediately on it .
G . Totman : You ' re acting like a politician now , - -you didn ' t answer my question .
F . Liguori : Let me give you an example , - - the Town of Dryden submitted a plan to
me four to five months ago under section of the general municipal law .
This was a proposal for a subdivision out in the middle of nowheres
including single family apartments . They felt maybe the developer
couldn ' t really accomplish what he was talking about and were leery
about the whole idea . They knew we were interested in this and with
a little encouragement on my part decided to turn down that subdivision .
What I ' m pointing out is that even now the Town of Dryden is beginning
to think in terms of this idea , it ' s the kind of thing that evolves
over a period of time . I think communities will have plenty of time to
work out their problems on this . I think if the Town of Groton has a
sudden opportunity for an industry somewhere out here , I think we have
to consider it and see whether or not it really significantly changes
the plan . A goal is something .you try to reach but never seem to
quite get there . It ' s an idea you strive for but never really quite
meet . But if we can all , as a county , select one of these plans then
I think decisions will begin to fall into place . Your decisions will
begin to make sense to Dryden and yourselves and yours will make sense
to them and so on . You have to bear in mind that County government
can ' t force you to do anything on: .this . If we don ' t begin to do this
for ourselves , and by ourselves I ' m including the county , somebody is
going to come in and do it for us . There are all kinds of forces that
are acting , - -Flood Plan Law , Adirondacks Commission type of organiza -
tions and these are nothing more than super regional level land use
control agencies . The reason they have been able to do this in the
Adirondacks and now in the Catskills is that those counties really
never developed a potential for themselves so it was easy for the
State to come in and say we ' re going to do it for you .
R . Hastings : Who has the final approval ?
F . Liguori : County Board of Representatives , Groton Town Board , Groton Village
Board , - - -
H . Dow : What stage do you suppose the County Board of Representatives have
reached at this point ? Are they waiting for action from the towns ?
F . Liguori : There ' s no doubt in my mind that they will wait for reactions and if
they find it unfavorable will pull back and won ' t go as far as they
would if they did find reactions favorable .
H . Dow : Don ' t you think the point of beginning is to do what you are doing
tonight ? If you could reach every town . and village government , which
is quite a task , bring it to them locally and let them make a judgment
and this would really get the thing rolling , wouldn ' t it ?
F . Liguori : That ' s exactly what we Are trying to do . What we are really doing is
laying the seeds of an idea and if it has merits will gain its own
impetus . If that doesn ' t work , will try something else .
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H . Dow : Here a lot of folks say that our town and our village are destined to
be nedroom areas . Some people don ' t accept that and others do but
couldn ' t this selective pattern be adopted by the two boards in our
area and still leave room for the people who don ' t want too fast a
growth would still be . satisfied ?
F . Liguori : I ' d say so , - - I think the only major change would be that if somebody
proposes a subdivision up here , you now have some reason to look at
that carefully and see whether it ought to be out there in the middle
of nowheres . The potential for growth is not good in the immediate
vicinity . You probably would allow it , but on the other hand if you
knew the septic system would fail in 10 years or so and would attract
more growth you would know you would have a problem . What are you
going to do for utilities ? We have some of those problems now - -
Warren Road , for example , - - 12 to 2 miles from the nearest ,public
sewer . What do you do there now ? Do you try to stop it or let it
grow to get a tax base sufficient so you can do something ? In the
case of Farrell Road , I think that ' s what we will have to do and let
it merge in . In the future we ought to try to prevent that sort of
thing .
The land is there for an individual to buy some property and he ought
to be able to but on the other hand it shouldn ' t be at the expense of
the public as a whole .
G . Totman : What you are talking about out in the wide areas - - you ' re not dis -
couraging growth , - - it ' s the subdivisions larger than 7 or 8 , not 3
or 4 ?
F . Liguori : Those kinds of decisions would still be at the local level . It ' s a
style of living some people like so there ' s an alternative life stype
we want to allow .
R . Stevenson : You ' re actually protecting it with this kind of policy , aren ' t you ?
F . Liguori : Certainly , you are .
H . Dow : Seems as though stage 1 already set for changes in the Village and
Town of Groton because you probably know there ' s an annexation procedure
to add 14 acres to the village for a mobile home compound and also our
Town Board has added to medium intensity zone about 100 acres . Now
those are recent acts but others will eventually probably take shape .
I think as near as I can figure out from the statistics we have 2 - 3 /4%
of annual growth of people and assessments in the last few years .
F . Liguori : That ' s in the town as a whole . That ' s better than you did in the last
decade . Again , it ' s something that reinforces that last one . The
village of Trumansburg has a proposal for a subdivision on the border .
35 lots or something like that . The pressure is there for Dryden if
the village board allows an extension of sewage utility . Again , I
think there ' s a source acting saying villages are a good place to live .
F . Satterly : I think this has been very interesting . I saw part of your presentation
at the Businessmen ' s Association meeting . I think it ' s good we have a
chance for both boards to look at what is happening . I found it very
interesting and am sure everyone else has .
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F . Satterly : One other thing I wanted to ask you . We used to be in landfill . I
remember your projections on the life of that landfill area up there .
What are your projections now ?
F . Liguori : We are getting a lot more refuse in1which tends to shorten the life
span and second we ' ve bought a second piece of equipment which might
add 25 % to the municipal life so still not certain , - - less than 10
years from when it began in 1970 - - should do for something like 5
years . I think two things can happen . One , we can go off on a new
tack - - indications are can use refuse as a source of fuel either at Milliken Station ,
or our best source seems to be Cornell University . Chances look good
when the cost of coal goes up to $40 . 00 a ton ! The cost of coal right
now is over $ 35 . 00 a ton and think you can pretty well predict it will
go even higher than that . When it goes up to $ 50 . 00 a ton , we ' ll reduce
our cost of refuse disposal by 10 - 15 - or even 20% . It looks good but
even that is 5 years away . The other alternative is potential for
additional land but one provision we made was we will not perpetuate
it for more than 15 years . That is to say if we acquire more land
will not exceed 15 years of total life and I ' m sure you ' ll find them
sticking to that . Will probably buy additional land adjacent to it .
F . Satterly : Actually the site for Groton is really ideal .
F . Liguori : It ' s a good site but you ' ll have to bear in mind the people who live
near it . It ' s a sanitary landfill and nobody in their right mind
goes out and digs dirt in the spring or winter but you have to or it
gets messier than heck . It ' s a good interim way of doing it but not
the ultimate .
R . Gleason : When you mentioned Cayuga County , did you mean all of it ?
F . Liguori : Our transportation costs willi,.cost more than they are right now .
F . Satterly : The maintaining of this might be sdmething , you know .
F . Liguori : Experience has proved that railroads do not want to handle sewage
transportation . The returns are not favorable .
D . Griffin : They could , and should , but they don ' t .
F . Liguori : What we save on transportation , we might have to give some to Cayuga
County and Cortland County so everybody pays about the same . If we
can support the entire thing at Cornell it would be great but we
don ' t have enough waste for that .
More discussion was held on this by F . Liguori , F . Satterly , D .
Griffin , R . Stevenson and others .
F . Liguori : Our present sanitary landfills are costing us about $ 40 . 00 per ton .
It ' s been reasonably economical . For instance Chemung County is up
to $ 6 . 00 or $ 8 . 00 a town . The site in Dryden is operated by the
County and also the site in Danby . There ' s another little site in
the Town of Covert that serves Enfield and Ulysses .
At your convenience , if you could express to me , or through your
planning board representatives , - -your preferences on these plans
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F . Liguori : or if you have some other ideas I would like very much to hear them .
H . Dow : If there were some way to bridge the gap , - -what I mean is , how many
of our boards and our supervisors and our mayors and all are actually
on track in terms of the proper thinking . Now , tonight we see
patterns but unless we have repeat performances like this one tonight
there ' s a wide gap . You can ' t do this alone , you can ' t go to every
hamlet of the county and live there and do your other work but this
is the sort of thing that apparently has to be done .
F . Liguori : I ' m trying to get to each municipality . There ' s going to be a meeting
sponsored by the Sierra Club - April 12th , - -very much interested in
this .
F . Satterly : I thought the Sierra group , most of them , don ' t want anything to change .
F . Liguori : I think only a small segment of them will sponsor no growth . They have
invited 700 or 800 people to that meeting . How many will come , I don ' t
know , but gradually the idea is being disseminated throughout the
community and if we don ' t push it too fast and let people think about
it , but at the same time we are beginning to develop now the implica -
tions on various zoning ordinances from the standpoint of our office
and will be prepared very soon to come to a community and say this is
what we think it will do or not do .
In Danby or Caroline , - - there isn ' t much opportunity there . There are
some places you would like to see strip development continue along
the Danby Road and they are not going to see all of the good in this
and we have to resolve that somehow . I think Caroline is basically
satisfied with the nodes they now have .
I ' ve talked to some of the people in Newfield and it certainly
seems that this is good for their little town . Danby still has a
hope of the possibility of some growth but not very realistic
really . The soil up there is just about as bad as you can get any -
wheres in the county .
F . Satterly : That really , - -where is the town of Lansing , - - the village of Lansing . . .
. what area is really in the Village ?
F . Liguori : Basically the section south of here , - - from here down .
F . Satterly : West of Triphammer Road ?
F . Liguori : Goes out - - - - - - - - - - - -
F . Satterly : Side of Waterwagon Road , - - includes from Burdick Hill back- - - -
F . Liguori : Essentially to the airport .
R . Stevenson : All the way down except Estes Hill .
F . Liguori : Right . And a little spur that runs along Route 34 .
R . Stevenson : The people on the Lake Road are not in it , are they ?
F . Liguori : On the shore line side of 34 - - on the lake side , they aren ' t .
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F . Satterly : Dr . Fisher ' s land is in the Village of Lansing , isn ' t it ?
F . Liguori : Right . It has over 9 square miles . Groton has 2 . 1 - - a little over
2 .
R . Stevenson : Dryden ' s about the same .
F . Liguori : Dryden ' s even a little smaller .
H . Dow : What could have been the advantage in having a village like that ?
F . Liguori : To interject their own land use policy . There are really two forces
in the village . One esentially almost for no growth and then there
are others who sense that growth has gone so far now will have to
let it go a little farther to get their tax base for what has to be
done .
R . Stevenson : And they would force the Town of Lansing to their way of thinking in
the process .
At this point , Mr . Totman told the Recording Clerk that she
could leave and the group remained for further discussions .
Respectfully submitted ,
Josephine Bell
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