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HomeMy WebLinkAboutErvay Family Connecticut Hill 3page # 15 Sunday Jan. 13th 1991 - had heard that P.T.Barnum museum was in Bridgeport Ct. My couisn Bette Mead works there and had mentioned that she had seen the museum curator in the cafeteria where she dines thus I wrote her requesting an address Monday March 5th 1991 - letter from Bette Mead with two addresses New York Historical Society Reference Department 170 Central Park West N.Y. , N.Y. 10024 ( 212 - 873- 3400 ) Robert Pelton , Curator The Barnum Museum 820 Main St. Bridgeport , Ct. 06604 ( 203 331- 1104 ) Sunday July 14th 1991 - wrote letter of inquiry to N.Y.H.S. with a copy going to Robert Pelton September 30th 1991 - an answer to my request from N.Y.H.S. - they found nothing page # 14 Tuesday Jan. 8,1985 wrote Charles Erway III Wednesday Jan 9,1985 wrote Ray & Daniel Thrall Sunday Jan. 13, 1985 wrote Robert Erway Sr. Tuesday Jan. 15, 1985 letter from Erin Town Clerk - no new information Saturday Jan. 19,1985 phone call�fron Alan Chaffee Irwin Ervay 1855 - Ida E 1857 - Fred 1883 - 1900 Monday Feb. 4, 1985 wrote -Veteran own Clerk the following from his cemetery readings Thursday Feb. 7, 1985 ans to request,of Veteran Town clerk Saturday March 9, 1985 Alan Chaffee here - he took the Ervay Stuff Friday March 29, 1985 Rec'd letter from R Erway with 28 pages info on family May 19, 1985 a Sunday Alan Chaffee brought back Ervay material Monday May 20, 1985 called Carol Kammen - not interested in doing any research on the Ervay's but would be interested in doing a story after June 1st. Sunday June 16, 1985 wrote Carol Kammen page # 13 Wednesday May 16, 1984 Wrote letter to Cecilia Whited of Cayuta ( a lead from the Cayuta Town records ) FridayAugust 10, 1984 wrote letter to Erin Town clerk Sandra Bonc Saturday September 1, 1984 recd letter from Cecilia Whited her name was Erway Friday September 28, 1984 rec"dvletter from Erin Town clerk ??? some clues. Tuesday October 30, 1984 recd letter from Mrs. Edward Decker - wishing to see me. Saturday November_, 10, 1984_ Visited Mrs. Edward Decker - lent me several pages of material on the Ervay family to have copied - articles on the Ervay's in the Ithaca Journal 10-10-1970 & 11-30-1970 lots on Conn. hill being sold by Hobart Estabrook that belonged to state of Conn. Wednesday November 28, 1984 Arec'd letter from B. Bell with inquiry as to any determination as to caretaker of the historical sign. Thursday November 29, 1984 drove to Waverly to visit the library - found nothing but left note for the librarian Monday December 3, 1984 sent letters to Erin Town Clerk and Spalding Mem. Lib. Wednesday December 5 , 19.84 drove to Watkins Glen to visit with B. Bell for a short time - rec'd some clues that might follow thru on. S_a_t_urday December 8, 1984 sent letter to C.Eugene Ervay in Elmira Wednesday December 13, 1984 recd letter from John F. Morley Sr. - some clues - probably an ans. from Spalding library? Wednesday December 19, 1984 letter from Charles-ETErway in ans. to the letter to his father C.Eugene Erway in Elmira - much information Friday December 28, 1984 drove to" Elmira to" library & vital records page # 12 Monday Jan.9, 1984 anV ans. from N.Y. academy of Medicine Library in the neg. obituary in this eveings paper for Bertha Moot Wednesday Feb 8 1984 wrote registrar s of wills Westmoreland Co. Pa. and Venango Co. pa. Thursday Feb. 16, 1984 & Saturday Feb. 18, 1984 ans. from Westmoreland Co. Pa. in the neg. but with forms to send elsewhere . same reply from Venango Co. Friday March 16, 1984 letter from B. Be111"with Arlene Patterson name Saturday March 17. 1984 telephoned Arlene Patterson -- she never heard of the quads -- the Lawrence Thall mentioned in B. Bell's letter is a cousin of hers -- their mothers were sisters. Also wrote letter to Cayuta Town Clerk Wednesday March 21, 1984 letter from Marjorie Decker Cayuta Town Clerk with little information Thursday March 22, 1984 wrote Marjorie Decker for permission to look at books some time Wednesday April 11, 1984 letter from Marjorie Decker can look at books Sunday May 6, 1984 went up on Conn. Hill with Calvin Rothermich to look at Ervay home sites - Saturday May 12,1984 Called on the Cayuta Town clerk - found some Ervay's in the Marriage & 1eath books -- also calked on the Catharine Town clerk and here also found some Ervay's in the Marriage & Death books Tuesday May 15, 1984 spent p some time at Olin Library at Cornell —found the following - in part Albany Journal Monday evening September 24, 1855 P.T. Barnum & Col. Wood's Grand National Baby Show at Van Vechten Hall, Albany Sept. 25,26,27,28,29. $2,000 given in Premiums to the finest Babies, twins, triplets, quarterns and fat children. Highest prize $5O The number of babies is limited to one hundred. More than forty babies are already engaged, besides twins, triplets, fat children and one Quartern ( four at a�_birth ) Albany Journal Wednesday September 26, 1855 - Baby show will proceed to Providence, R.I. where they will hold a fair next week. ( Cornell's holdings on Providence newspapers do not cover that time peroid ) page # 11 Friday Sept. 2, 1983 wrote Elwood Lockerby and Bertram Croop Saturday Sept. 3, 1983 wrote Francis Hulslander Thursday Sept. 8, 1983 letter from Elwood Lockerby sunt Barbara Bell's glance backward article Tuesday Sept. 27,1_983 stopped at library to get address of Steuben surrogate court Thursday Sept. 29, 1983 wrote Steuben surrogate court r-iednesday Oct. 5, 1983 ans. from Steuben surrogate court in neg. Thursday Oct. 6,1983 wrote B. BEll and Bridgeport Library Wednesday Oct. 19, 1983 ans. from B. Bell — referred to Calvin Rothermich called Calvin ( 272-5930 ) he said his grandmother ( Myrtle ) told him where the birth site was -- in Newfield but very near the county line on S xton Hill MondayvDec.S� 1983 Recd letters from Charles Harrington and the DeWitt there is no record of Irvan Ervay in Town of Catharine vital records DeWitt forwarded papers sent from Albany by Craig Williams Wed. Dec. 7, 1983 reply fronN.Y." Public Library - nothing found - refered to N.Y. Academy of Medicine Thurs. Dec. 8, 1983 wrote N.Y. Academy of Medicine Friday Dec. 30, 1983 spent several hours in Elmira library going thur some micro -films found Advertisement in the New York Daily Times under Amusements The one for Wednesday Sept. 19, 1855 pg. 5 follows below CD BARNUM'S AMERICAN MUSEUM -ASTOUNDING MARVELS OF TETE AGE For this week only- that wonderful curiosity. TETE QUATERN CHILDREN,. or four children at a birth, from the Boston Baby Show, where they attracted 103,000 visitors in five days.Next week they go to the Albany Baby Show page # 10 Monday June 13, 1983 returned material to John Noble this eveing SaturdayJune 18, 1983_ wrote Richard L. Ervay Elmira Hts. asking if he knew of anyone doing Ervay genealogy Thursday June 23, 1983 reed ans. from Circus World Museum -- nothing in there records on the Ervay quads. Tuesday June 28, 1983 sent request to state archives for original application for historical marker Monday July 11, 1983 ans, from state sayin§ they have sent request to another dept. Wednesday July 20, 1983 stopped at library and got addresses for museum's in New York City and wrote a letter to one of diem Wednesday Aug. 10, 1983 wrote N.Y. Public Library Wednesday Aug. 31, 1983 went to Watkins Glen to look thru old issues of the Watkins Express - found nothing there on obituaries of Ida Lockerby, Irvan Ervay, Foster Ervay or Lucy Ervay. ( papers from Bill Kelly village clerk) stopped at aunt Dots and she called a neighbor Helen Ione Havens ( Beebe ) she had a newspaper clipping concerning Bertha Moot becoming a minister at age 64 ( the clipping dated May 1969 ) mentioned a son in-law the Rev. Bertram Croop of Mexico also Mr. & Mrs. Francis Hulslander of Endicott Ione said that Dorinda Ryan may Know something -lives near Little Lake Thursday Sept. 1, 1983 Mary Olson returned my call- gave me the following - Northern. Conference William Swales - 418 Washington St. Watertown N.Y. 13601 tel. 315-788-8432 western conference - 8499 Main St. Buffalo N.Y. 14221 tel. 716-633-8558 stopped at Library and found in phone book - Hulslander, Francis M. 2 Martha Rd. Vestal tel. 607-798-9846 Telephoned Hulslander- they gave me the following names Hulbert Root of Binghamton., Marvin Thall of Elmira, Elwood Lockerby of Endicott and Bertram Croop of Rush -- found two in phone books at library Elwood Lockerby 411 Birdsl Endct 607-785-9462 zip 13760 Rev. Bertram Croop 1621 Rush Hnrta TL Rd. 716-334-1789 phone Ik is a Henrietta # Rush zip 14543 Henrietta zip 14467 Elmira phone book lists a Lawrence Thall 611 Franln Hands 607-739-9594 zip 14845 Hubert Root is Ida's grandson Mrs. Hulslander is Bertha Moot's sister page #9 Friday April 9 cont unless I missed her name Ida was not in the 1910 census for township of Athens Pa. --librarian said that obituary may be in error as to Ervan place of residence -- probably N.Y. Monday April 4, 1983 stopped at library-- there are Irwin Pa. West Moreland Co. Penn township and Irwin Township Venango Co. Talked with Stanley Shaw for a short time-- he recalls nothing of the matter. Mondap 11y April 11, 1983 stopped at-lbrary= Vestmoreland County Seat ,Greensburg-- they have a library-- sent a letter to the Greensburg librarian M Monday April 13, 1983 Called Phylls_Howe�-_Clerk of the board of Reps. - in regards to where the county historians records are kept -- she said that C. Williams should have them Roger Yonkin here in the morning -- let him take all of this material and the tapee of the conversation with Mrs. Decker Wednesday April 27, 1983 rec'dcopies of letters that Roger Yonkin sent to Mrs. Decker And Barbara Bell Tuesday May 10, 1983 stopped at library and got address of Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Combined Shows, Inc. 3201 New Mexico Ave. N.W. Washington, D.C. 20016 Thursday May 12, 1983 Roger Yonkin returned the material Sunday May 22, 1983 wrote letter to Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Combined Shows, Inc. Saturday May 28, 1983 Aris.`from Ringling Bros. referring me to the Circus World Museum 426 Water st. Baraboo, Wi. 53913 a Mr. Robert L. Parkinson Monday May 30, 1983 wrote to t e above Saturday June 4, 1983 spent several hours talking with John Noble -- he let me take some letters and other material to have copied Monday June 6, 1983 had above mentioned material copied page #8 Saturday Jan. 22, 1983 lett r from Pa..v t -41 -records asking for additional forms Sunday Jan. 23, 1983 resent letter to Pa . vital records Wednesday Jan. 28, 1983 letter froze Ceracche suggest contacting -- Nataline Multari, Gary Ervay and Smith Ervay ( Gary lives in Enfield at 392 Fish Rd. ) Friday February 4, 1983 a telephone call from Hilda Amberge saying that John Arthur Noble was involved in getting the original marker ( lives on Griffin Rd. ) Sunday February 6, 1983 called Gary ^Ervay - he `knows nothing of matter wrote to John Arthur Noble Wednesday Feb. 9, 1983 c 11 opy of death cart. from Pa. vital records --birth place Newfield, N.Y. Tuesday Feb. 15 , 1983 tart Noble -telephoned--he has some info --will visit him when can also wrote Les Marshall another letter about obituary Saturday Feb. 26, 1983 Went to visit Arthur Noble --the following information came from our visit-- Lyman H. Gallagher did all of the research for the original newspaper article ( June 9 , 193% ) another article.appeared a little later --Dr. Sherwood lived in Trumbulls Corners about that time -- he owned property there in 1848-- Lyman & Arthur **t were the ones that wrote the State about getting a marker-- State refused--- it was then that Staney Shaw became involved and the marker was granted. circus records are in Hartford, Conh. ?? Saturday March5, 1983 `}looked up newspaper article in micro -film at Tompkins County lib. & copied Friday April 1, 1983 Drove to Elmira this morning --nothing at Surrogate Court records on Ida or Ervan-- found the following at the library in Elmira -- The Elmira Star -Gazette) Thursday, October 17, 1929 page 21 Mrs. Ida Lockerby Claimed at Waverly---- Waverly, Oct. 17. --Mrs. Ida Lockerby, 72, died at her home, 76 Division Street at noon Wednesday. She is survived by her husband, George Lockerby; two daughters, Mrs. Harry Morley of Waverly; Mrs. Fred Root of Binghamton; one sister, Mrs. Carrie Webber of Waverly; two brothers, Ervan Ervay of Erwin, Pa., andFrank Ervay of Alpine. The funeral will be held from the home Saturday at 2:30 p.m. The Rev. A.T. Mercer will officiate. Interment will be in Tioga Point Cemetery. page #7 Monday Dec. C, 1982 spent some time at Olin Library at Cornell doesn't seem to be any papers there that cover time period for Mrs. Morley's mother's death. Thursday Dec. 9 1982 wrote -Town Catharine Historian requesting name & address of caretaker of Laurel Hill Cemetery books. Monday Dec. 131 1982 Wrote Tioga Co. Clerk for information on vital records of Tioga Co. Wednesday Dec w 15 1982 Wrote Tioga County Gazette & Times recd ans. from Mary Sherwood --she has nothing rec'd ans. from Tioga Co. clerk --sent list of Town Clerks Saturday Dec 18, 1982 ans. from Tioga Co. Gazette & Times --they have nothing Friday Dec T24,_1982 ans. from Charles Harrington Monday Dec. 27, 1982 ans. from Tioga County Historical Society wrote the following people Carl States, Lester Marshall, Anthony Ceracche Monday Jan. 1, 1983 ans. from Carl States-- quite a lot of information on the Ervay's but none on what I'm looking for Wednesday Jan. 5, 1983 ans, from Les Marshall -- nothing death records ( 1928 & 1929 town of Barton or Villiage of Waverly. Monday Jan. 10, 1983 wrote the following-- Bradford County Register--Star-Gazette , and Waverly -Sun Wednesday Jan. 12, 1983 letter to Waverly -Sun returned as undeliverable ans. from Star -Gazette , they have nothing Friday_ Jan. 14, 1983 ans. from Bradford Co. Reg. with forms to scrod Pa. Vital records Saturday Jan. 15, 1983 sent forms to Pa. vital records page #6 Tuesday Nov. 23, 1982 spent several hours talking with Kenn Allen in Trumbulls corners concerning J.D. Smith place on Conn. Hill. we went up there and found that the old house foundation is still there. he said that a Myrtle Wright Jones of South Geneva St. Ithaca may know something. Wednesday Nov. - 24, 1982 reed a call from a Marian ( ? ) Deal sayinyg-that her sister Christine Newberry knows nothing of the Ervay's Marian's maiden name was Newberry—she is Jack Deal's wife --she is 17 1/2 years younger then Christine she said that Marilyn Mc Carty's mother lived to be in her 90's also that Marilyn's parents names were Dwight & Pauline also that all the older Sherwwods have passed on leaving few ofsring. thus not likely to find any records even if they ever existed. Saturday Nov. 27� 19:82 recd letter from Alta Decker-- nothing new called Stanley C. Shaw of 108 West Court St. Ithaca- 273 -1423 --recalls nothing of the matter during his assembly years --invited me to visit. Tuesday Nov.a30, 1982 spent most day in Schuyler County at the following places County Clerks Office deed bk. 12 page 492 Lucy Ervay resident town Newfield , Tompkins County Feb. 28, 1866 mortgages Lib. 7 page 677 Foster & Lucy Ervay residents of town of Newfield, Tompkins County 28 Feb 1866 Census of Town of Catharine Schuyler County N.Y. for 1875 taken June 19, 1875 page 23 lines 29 thru 34 show Foster Ervay & Lucy Ervay residents Census of Town of Cayuta Schuyler County N.Y. for 1870 taken June 7, 1870 page 4 lines 11 thru 17 show Foster & Lucy Ervay residents nothing in Surrogates Court records on Foster or Lucy Schuyler County Historical Society in Montour Falls has article that appeared in Elmira 'paper in 1971 on Mrs. Morley Library in Montour Falls found birth notice in Havana Journal Saturday July 28, 1855 2nd page Mrs. Foster Ervay residing in Newfield , Tompkins County. talked with Charles Harrington on way home ( Catharine Historian ) he is going to check clerks file on deaths Friday --Dec. 3, 1.982 stoppE_jat Tomp tCo. Library for short time Mrs. Morley's son not listed in E lmira's phone book ( Marvin Tha.11 ) also information from Dora Pope Worden's book Tompkins County Gravestone page 370 Town Newfield Trumbulls Corners Cemetery Page 5 Thur --Sept. 16, 1982 stopped at Tompkins county assessment office and picked up copy of tax map of Conn. Hill area around radio tower _Sat -Sep*t 18, 1982 spent some time at olin library --found bitch notice in the Ithaca Journal July 25, 1855 stopped at DeWitt-- they are doing an extensive search for 1855 Census Thur --Sept. 23, 1952 stopped at court house-- began search of lots 9 & 19 Sit --Sept. 25, 1982 droved to Alpine and talked with Mrs. Decker will write when she has material together went on to Montour Falls and talked with Mrs. Mary Lilley- she has a Bible with Fosters birth & death plus many Ervay's Mon --Sept. 27,1982 wrote Marilyn Mc Carty ( she is a Sherwood ) concerning Dr. Sherwood Mon --Oct Il, 1982 spent most of the morning at Olin Library found nothing in the George Schuyler papers found nothing in the Lyman Gallagher papers Friday Nov. 5. 1982 Called Nathaleen Multari ( Ervay ) 272-7595 1430 Slatervi_lle Rd. She has a clipping from a paper is going tosendme. Also going to talk with her brother Aubrey who is 73 to put him in contact with me. Saturday Nov. 6, 1982 Aubrey Ervay calked this morming -- he knows nothing new on the -- su est that I call KEN Alan and Clint Locoy-- Aubrey's �nuad's suggest name Levie & he lived on the road between Trumbulls corners N& Cayu taville . Wednesday Nov. 10, 1982 re 11 c d ana. from -Marilyn McCarty --she knows nothing --the following two names she suggest writing tm. Christine Newberry Ritl Alpine, N.Y. AND Mary Sherwood -383 South Main St. Elmira, N.T. 14904 Sunday Nov. 21, 1982 wrotemsthe above two persons also Mrs. Edward Decker of Alpine Page 4 Fri --Sept. 3,1982 spent some time at Tompkins county court house see notes on deed findings copied 10 names either side Foster Ervay in 1865 census nothing in Surrogate records onn Foster Ervay or William Wilkin spent some time at Clinton House maps from DeWitt ( 1853 of Newfield ) copy law giving part Newfield to Catharine from Armand Adams Armand said to talk with Harvey Rumsey stopped and talked with Alan Chaffee on way home Newfield has no records before 1875 fire __Tue--Sept 7,1982 Telephoned Harvey Rumsey ( 272-1304 ) he knows nothing of the Ervay's said to talk with Ralph Rumsey Telephoned Ralph Rumsey ( 272-5198 ) he knows nothing of the Ervay's Telephoned Phil White ( 387-6370 )he is going to check his ancestor's ledger for july of 1855 and call back Wed --Sept 8,1,982 spent some time in Olin Library-- nothing there on 1855 census as far as line by line names said to check Gateway Genealogy pg 16 in map dept. ask for Joan Smith Rec'd letter & more information from Barbara Bell In card index the following f Schuyler , George Washington 1810-1888 122 s39 N.Y. C. Scrihner 2 v There are 5 boxes of Schuyler's papers in the archives some for the time period 1345-1888 Nancy Dean is going to keep us in mind Mon--Sept.13,1982 Telephoned Roger Yonkin to let him know that I'm still working on the matter. Page 3 T_ue--8/17/1982 Recd letter from Barbara Bell Schuyler County Historian. They would like sign to be put in Musemm at Montour Falls. Fri_ -_-_8/20/1982 Stopped at Tompkins County Library Micro -film roll # 606 1850 Census page 68 Newfield- Tompkins --New York taken 14 day of Oct. 1850 lines 8 thru 15 Foster Ervay Micro -film roll # 868 1860 Census page 374 Newfield--Tompkins--New york taken 13 day of Oct 1860 lines 9 thru 19 Foster Ervey Hilda called to say that the sign is now gone --probably within the past few days. _Mon--Aug23,1982 talked with Roger Yonkin on the telephone today they removed the sign and have it --he is going to write the State for more information on the sign --he also said that the molds for Historical signs are still stored and new ones can be molded-- he stated that the sign will not be placed untill it can be determined where it belongs. -Wed -Sept. 1, 1982 looked up birth in newspaper section of Olin library,found the following THE AMERICAN CITIZEN Wednesday, July 25, 1855 Tompkins County Ahead'.' --Mrs. Foster Ervay, residing in the town of Newfield, in this county, on Sunday morning last gave birth to four fine children, three girls and a boy. the weight of each was five pounds to a fraction, as we are informed by Doctor Sherwood who was present, and reports the mother and children all doing well. We have nothing more to say about tall rye. Thur --Sept._ 2 ,1982 Telephoned Barbara Bell ( 1-535-4577 ) She has not gone thru deeds she would like me to talk with Alta Decker of Alpine Page #2 " The largest accession to the population of the.town, made at any one �.xR time in natural way, was on the 22nd of July, l ' when the wife of Mr. Foster Ervay presented him with four children at one birth, three girls and one boy. They were named Ida A., Irvin A., Ada A., and Joy 0.. The boy and one girl were living at last accounts." page 533 Town of Newfield Julius Ervey, private, Co. G, 109th N.Y. Regt. ;enl. Aug. 11,1862 wounded at Wilderness; disch. Sept 5,1864 The History of the Town of Catharine Schuyler County, N.Y. compiled by Mrs. Robert Cleaver printed in 1945 by the Tuttle Pub. Co. Inc. Rutland, Vermont The sign is mentioned on page 14 as being near and south of the Connecticut Hill monument. page 254 Laurel Hill Cemetery Ervay, Addie 11 Iva, dau. Foster ( one " Foster " Lucinda, wife of Foster " Lucy 1855 of quadruplets ) 1856 The Ervay name is mentioned through -out the book pages 211, 215, 217, 222, 241, 279 & more ? 1863 1894 2 1/2 8 43 77 Called Alan Chaffee and talked for some time -- Foster burried in Laurel Hill Cemetery-- he has a booklet by Barbara Bell on the Ervay Quadruplets -- is going to make me copies. Wed --7/28/8_2 picked up material from Alan Chaffee Mon --8/2/82 Contacted Hilda to let her know what I have found out-- will make her copy of Bell booklet'. She has talked with Craig Williams. Wed --8/4/1982 Talked with Jim Ray at Town board meeting. He will see that the sign is moved if we can give him information as to where it should be located. Thur --8/5/1982 Wrote a letter to Schuyler County Historical Society requesting information on birth place of Ervay Quadruplets. Stopped at DeWitt Historical Society -- map of 1653 has a F. Ervay on Connecticut Hill near present radio tower. - A request for information Wed --7/14/82 _Hflda-Amberge called asking if I knew about the State Historical sign on corner of Black Oak Rd. and Connecticut Hill Rd.. She belives it should be more up toward Conn. Hill. Thur --7/15/82 Drove up to corner Black Oak Rd. and Conn. Hill Rd. Took a picture of the sign.It is on the north west corner. It reads as follows. New York CONNECTICUT HILL Born here, July 22, 1855, to Foster Ervay and Wife, four Children, known as Ervay Quadruplets, on exhibition for several years State Education Department 1933 Talked with Hilda & Ruth for a short time. A Roger Yonkin of N.Y.S. Highway Dept. was with the crew that put sign up. Wed==7/21/82 Stopped at County ;Court House in Ithaca From the census of the Town of Newfield for 1865 page 74 lines 34 thru 43 taken 11 day of Aug. 1865 Foster Ervey Foster 48 Lucy 47 wife Julius 27 ch6ld Olive 19 Frances D 17 " William A 14 " Irvin A 10 Ida A 10 11 Carrie Belle 5 11 Malvina Hill 15 step -child Tue--7/27/82 Hilda called to tell me that Foster was in the four county history page 600 town of Catharine. From the Four County History ( Tioga, Chemung, Tompkins & Schuyler ) page 600 Town of Catharine ( Everts & Ensign 1879 ) Con't ----