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CONSERVATION BOARD
July 30, 2024
Hybrid
Approved on September 24, 2024
Present: *Gian Dodici (chair), Steve Bissen, *Anne Clark, *Andrew Miller, Nancy
Munkenbeck (arrived 7:29 p.m.), Craig Schutt, Tim Woods
Absent: Jeanne Grace, Kate McKee (alternate)
Liaisons: *Spring Buck (Town Board)
Staff: Loren Sparling (Deputy Town Clerk)
The meeting was called to order at 7.16 p.m.
This is the first time that the Conservation Board has met since the passing of Bob
Beck. A moment of silent reflection was then taken for the former Board member.
G Dodici admitted that although he really only knew Bob from Board meetings, he was
surprised at how hard he took his passing. Bob felt like a good friend, a colleague, someone
who always had good advice. He was soft-spoken and very non-confrontational, and it was a
pleasure to have known him. Unfortunately, he was taken too soon, but he did leave quite a
legacy in the Town. He will be remembered fondly, and at some point, we will do something to
honor him and his contributions to both this Board and the Town.
A Clark noted that there is a trail near Bob’s house that she walks. On that trail, there
is a little bridge which Bob was instrumental in getting erected. Within a few days of his
passing, a sign was placed denoting that bridge as a memorial bridge to Bob. This type of
outpouring from people says a lot about how important Bob was to this community.
S Bissen hoped that the Town would rename the Rail Trail for Bob, given that he was
instrumental in getting it created. Much like the Jim Schug Trail, there should also be the Bob
Beck Rail Trail. S Buck acknowledged that there has already been discussion about a name
change and will pass along the support of this Board for it.
Review and Approval of Minutes from May 28, 2024
On motion made by S Bissen, seconded by C Schutt, the minutes of May 28, 2024, were
unanimously approved as written, with G Dodici abstaining due to his absence in May.
Report: Agriculture Advisory Committee
C Schutt had distributed his report to Board members via email:
“The Ag Committee met on July 10th. The conversation centered around a proposed
horse manure composting facility at 1975 Dryden Road. Craig Anderson of the Planning Board
attended the meeting to explain what had transpired at the Planning Board in their discussions
on the proposed project. One of the major questions was is this an ag related business and if
[it] falls under Ag and Markets Law. There were differing opinions and thoughts. The main
takeaway was with the zoning rewrite that any proposals involving agriculture should come to
the Ag Committee for consideration first and the AC would pass their recommendations on to
the Planning Board and Town Board. I made the point that I would hope the CB gets the same
consideration on issues important to us. Jason Leifer was in attendance, so I hope he takes
that message back to the Town Board.”
Report: Environmental Management Council (EMC)
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S Bissen reported that the bylaws of the EMC were last updated about 20 years ago, so
the last meeting of the EMC was focused on their revision.
Report: Town Board
S Buck informed Board members that a special meeting of the Town Board will be held
tomorrow at 5.30 p.m. to discuss and vote on putting an 18-month moratorium in place on
cryptocurrency mining facilities. In brief summary, the Town has declined permits to a
company that wants to establish a cryptocurrency mining facility at 2186 Dryden Rd, and they
are looking to challenge that action. Among other issues, such facilities have a heavy energy
draw.
S Buck also broached the need for a Conservation Board member to serve as a
representative on the DRYC’s Client Committee in their selection of and interactions with a
consultant to develop the lands north of Town Hall.
S Buck concluded her report by stating that she had met today with Rick Young, who
told her that they are proceeding with the engineering review of the big dam in Dryden. They
received a grant to undertake this assessment to ensure that the dam is in good working order.
Report: Climate Smart Communities Task Force
A Clark reported that Dryden has been recertified as a bronze level Climate Smart
Community due to its heating initiative.
There was a lot of discussion about how best to use what will be upwards of $180,000
in grants towards climate smart projects. This money is due to the Clean Energy Community
actions (actions that facilitate energy efficiency within the Town) that were completed by the
Town, including the documentation of 10+ new air source installations.
One option is to possibly fund more electric vehicles, yet the biggest gas users are the
kinds of vehicles for which there is no good electric substitute (e.g., snowplows and emergency
vehicles). Some feel that adequate charging capacity is currently lacking, and that charging
capacity should come before vehicle development. Another possibility for the focus of these
funds, which will be discussed at next month’s meeting, is energy upgrades to the fire stations.
Lots of these stations have fallen way behind both in terms of safety and energy use efficiency.
Should the Conservation Board have any additional ideas for projects, the Climate
Smart Communities Task Force would be receptive to hearing them. G Dodici wondered if the
Town could partner with the Dryden School District to help them begin the process of school
bus electrification, as there are a lot of buses that do two or four runs a day, expending a lot of
diesel fumes.
Lastly, there has been a little bit of progress at the high school regarding pollinator
gardens, but A Clark does not have the details on this.
New Business: Drainage Issues along Johnson Rd
T Woods informed the Board about the problems that have been occurring on the west
side of Johnson Rd, between Rte 13 and Rte 366. For one, Thrive Church has water pooling on
both sides of the building, as well as along the back. Ever since it was built, the facility has
had a problem with water intrusion, both surface and subsurface. They are now having issues
with water running up the inside of the block walls and into the facility, and then running
down the length of the church and out the northern end into the parking lot.
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Secondly, the new three-foot culverts that the highway department installed on Cindy
Marquis’ property and beneath the rail bed (where the big washout was) have been blocked up
by beavers, resulting in a huge lake between the properties of Cindy Marquis (39.-1-12.11) and
Ron Szymanski (39.-1-22.6). Flooding has occurred all the way up to the second culvert, onto
Marquis’ smallest pasture.
Lastly, the property between Thrive Church and the Fish and Game Club has a new
landowner, who put in a new driveway that extends west from Johnson Rd to the back of that
property, with the intention of building a new house there. Unfortunately, the land where the
house would be situated is now full of water, and the owner is not sure what to do about it.
T Woods was asked to devise some proposals that might be given to the DEC, Army
Corps of Engineers, Tompkins County Soil and Water, and any other agency that might be
involved in fixing these issues. As a starting point, T Woods spoke with Jean Foley of the DEC,
who recommended that he contact G Dodici as an expert on wetland drainage. G Dodici
responded that he does not work in draining wetlands, but in restoring them, restoring habitat.
He sees this all as a natural process, about which there is nothing inherently bad. He will not
be supportive of doing anything to drain these wetlands, and respectfully stepped back from
becoming involved.
T Woods recalled that when he was a kid in the late 1950s and early 1960s, the land on
both sides of Johnson Rd was dry, open farmland. (A 1960 topographic map that he has
depicts only five farmhouses along Johnson Rd.) He acquired from Cornell University Library
digitized versions of aerial photos of the area that range in date from 1938 to the present day.
From these, it can be seen that the region was actively farmed until at least the 1970s, drained
by well-established ditching patterns. Since that time, landowners have stopped farming,
resulting in the properties going into successional growth. Once the successional growth went
past the shrub stage, the beavers moved in, and that’s when the problems started. Google
Maps shows at least seven or eight beaver ponds from Mix Brothers trucking company down
through T Woods’ property and over to the rail bed. None of those ponds were there prior to the
1970s, so it was not an established wetland until just recently and the beavers have created all
of that.
T Woods proposed to Thrive Church that it work with the Conservation Board, DEC,
Army Corps of Engineers, and whoever else might be needed, to increase the trapping of
beavers so they do not rebuild their dams. Additionally, the extant dams should be removed in
order to see what happens to the flow and drainage pattern. In so doing, the amount of sheet
flow onto the church’s property may decrease and the ponds behind the church may be
eliminated.
T Woods has set up a meeting with Jean Foley, her beaver specialist, and the Thrive
Church pastor to discuss what might be accomplished should the permitting go through. The
National Wetlands Inventory shows there to be two main drainage patterns from Rte 13 to the
rail bed. These run south to north, paralleling Johnson Rd, and eventually go under the rail
bed and into Fall Creek. The main drainage channel is a small stream, about 3 feet across and
18 inches deep, that runs down across all properties until it reaches a wetland on property
owned by Indian Milk & Honey and Dryden Produce; from here, water flows northwestward into
two big ponds, and then westward towards the rail bed.
T Woods related that some very deep ditching has also been put in, originating at
Johnson Rd and going at about a 75º angle into that main drainage stream. Another ditch goes
past Thrive Church and was doing an adequate job of funneling water until the beavers showed
up.
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Seeking clarification, S Buck verified that there were multiple issues happening
simultaneously along Johnson Rd. For one, existing buildings (e.g., Thrive Church) are being
impacted by water infiltration. There are different ways to protect a building from water
infiltration that are either on the building itself or in its immediate vicinity (e.g., trenching,
French drains). What she struggles with is that the frustrations that T Woods has shared about
Johnson Rd’s landscape history are the same frustrations that she has heard from others
about other landscapes in the Town (e.g., the lands north of Town Hall). Land that used to be
farmland has since been deemed wetlands, and owners cannot do anything with it as a result.
Indeed, that land has changed over time, and it is now protected. She wondered what stance
the Conservation Board will take on this, advising that they be consistent in their thinking, and
not argue for certain areas to be dried out and others to be protected. The Town has to be
consistent in terms of how we educate the community about wetlands. Maybe there are
recommendations for mitigation we could offer.
T Woods explained that the purpose of bringing this topic up tonight was merely to
inform the Board of an issue that has been recently identified. Concerned residents are just
starting their investigation and currently have no remedial plan in place. Last week, he walked
that entire drainage basin in order to assess the situation. Where is the water collecting?
Where is it flowing? What kind of vegetation is present? (Cattails, reeds, other classic pond
vegetation, and dying trees around the ponds; and hardwoods, softwoods, and tall shrubbery
above the high water mark.) How bad is it? We have started to take pictures, and now know
where the big ditches and most of the ponds are. What Thrive Church and neighboring
landowners have asked T Woods to do is to try and help them navigate this state of affairs,
given his connections with the Board and TC3. He has brought this to the Board to seek their
input on the matter, as he is not a wetlands expert by any means; he does not need any
decisions from the Board, just advice from its members.
A Miller broached the subject of the Great Etna Swamp, located behind and to the west
of the State Police barracks. He believes that a portion of this is now under a Finger Lakes
Land Trust conservation easement. It is his understanding that the swamp once extended from
Etna all the way past Johnson Rd because it captured the flow coming off of the hills, as well
as the overflow from Virgil Creek. So at one point, the area was all wetland, and what we today
perceive as individual wetlands are actually all interconnected. The alteration of one will impact
the others.
G Dodici acknowledged the land’s history, stating that prior to the arrival of farmers,
those areas under discussion were more wet than dry. But we have a history of ditching and
draining, and we still do it to this day. Wetlands have been converted into agricultural fields,
and as far as he knows, such “prior converted wetlands” have no protection under any
environmental law. The trouble arises when farms are abandoned, fields are allowed to go
fallow, and after many decades pass, someone comes in wanting to drain an area because it
was once farmland, even though it is now a potentially regulated wetland. Most of these
wetlands probably do not have any protection under federal law because of recent Supreme
Court rulings, but the DEC, potentially as a result of that ruling, has made their wetland
protection laws more robust. In the past, wetlands had to be in a regulated wetland category
for DEC to regulate them. Now, any proposed development in an area that might be a wetland
needs to have a licensed delineator delineate the wetland; if the area is deemed a wetland, then
the project would have to undergo an Article 24 review to obtain NYSDEC permits. So from a
federal perspective, many of these wetlands are probably not being regulated by the Army
Corps of Engineers, but there is the potential that the DEC may be regulating them.
G Dodici then recognized S Buck’s contribution to the discussion, expressing the
Board’s history of questioning and wondering why our Highway Department digs ditches the
way that they do, why they chose to put in a lateral ditch well off their right-of-way on private
property behind the church (if they in fact dug that ditch). These are legitimate questions to be
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asked of them, and if their decisions are potentially causing problems, is there something that
they should do to rectify those problems? One of the issues in the area under discussion is that
everything is so flat that you can’t really drain it without the use of a pump, and then there’s
nowhere to send the water. And when the beavers build up their impoundments, they are
basically flattening the landscape even more, making it even harder to drain. So from a water
management perspective, the best thing to do would be to trap the beavers and remove those
dams.
T Woods related that a wildlife specialist removed beavers (via a DEC permit) from the
church’s property last year, but they weren’t gone for very long. They came right back. For the
foreseeable future, Jean Foley recommended getting another beaver permit from the DEC and
do the same. He also mentioned that Cindy Marquis recently talked with Rick Young about the
two culverts that were installed on her property for the Rail Trail and Dryden Fiber. She
addressed the flooding that was occurring on her property (and that of Ron Szymanski) and
inquired why the culverts weren’t being cleaned out to let the water flow through, but did not
receive a satisfactory reply.
Jean Foley informed T Woods that the Army Corps of Engineers has not plotted all of
the wetlands that they have delineated and that are under their protection on a map; however,
all such wetlands have been entered into a database that is maintained by the Army Corps of
Engineers. She further stated that the 12.4 acre rule is for the DEC, not for the Army Corps.
The Army Corps has jurisdiction all the way down to a half-acre wetland.
T Woods appreciates any input that Board members could give and thanked everyone
for their time tonight. He will keep the Board updated as to what transpires along Johnson Rd.
In answer to a question from S Bissen, T Woods said that the knocking down of a
beaver dam is considered draining a wetland, and therefore requires a permit to do so from the
DEC. This is separate from the DEC permit to trap beavers.
N Munkenbeck recounted that, in Ellis Hollow, the Highway Department put in an
additional drain, such that the beavers were unsuccessful in their efforts to dam the stream
and left the area. They did succeed in damming it further downstream, though.
A Clark relayed that a considerable number of beaver dams have been knocked down in
the vicinity of the Owasco headwaters roundabouts Hile School Rd. At the same time, the
beavers have been actively moving. The problem is a moving problem, and the beaver life cycles
are a part of this; what you do now to address the problem will not be the same as what you do
five years from now. The fix used on some big dams is to insert a low-level opening, but that is
dependent on how deep the water is. Three feet is way too shallow for such a fix, six feet is
pushing shallow to insert an opening that the beavers would ignore. But these are problematic,
temporary fixes. Storms can do things to beaver dams. Regarding beaver numbers, young
beavers who are beginning to dam do so near their parents; the beavers move out only when
enough trees in the vicinity have been eaten that it is no longer efficient. And so it is a moving
problem. She suggests that everybody go back to first principles. What is a wetland? What is a
wetland now? What is a wetland going to be if the beavers move? We should be attuned not
only to changes in a wetland, but also to changes in beaver dynamics. Because the problem is
dynamic, a solution today will not be a solution in the future.
A Clark felt that the increased wetland protections that have come in at the State level
are great and noted that many of our farmlands are reverting back to wetland. She attributes
this last point to the fact that tiles underlay almost all of our farmlands, and as those tiles get
displaced by various processes, areas suddenly turn wetter or vernal pools are created in
places that have not had vernal pools for 150 years. She knows that some would welcome the
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reappearance of these vernal pools but understands the frustrations of others who are unable
to use their 50-year-old structures because of the ponding.
T Woods imparted that he, Ron Szymanski, and Cindy Marquis were not upset that
portions of their properties were being inundated, because it actually helps. If they begin using
that land for cattle, they could pump some of that water into cisterns to water the cattle. The
water is not affecting grazeable land enough to diminish herd size, so they are looking at this
as a plus. As long as the water does not continue to flood their pastures to the point that they
are unusable, they would be willing to use the bigger ponds as a form of mitigation for getting
rid of the beavers from the beaver ponds uphill.
New Business: Open Forum
G Dodici recognized that the Board’s underlying concerns with water management in
the Town remain. Things don’t seem to be changing for the better (or even changing at all), so
he is at a loss as to next steps.
N Munkenbeck communicated that she attended one session of the Cayuga Lake
Summit (held at Stewart Park on July 16), that session being “How Sustainable Winter
Management Standards Help Reduce Road Salt Pollution.” (She was not able to attend the
session entitled “Tracing and Treating PFAS in the Finger Lakes.”) Her big takeaway was that
the most road salt pollution comes from parking lots and that this causes more pollution in
waterways than salt from the roads. Most road crews are doing a pretty good job of trying to
maximize efficiency and not do things wastefully; they start to salt before a winter storm begins
and continue to salt as the snow piles up, thus going through the stages of when the salt is
most effective.
A Miller surmised that the polluting source (parking lots or roads) depends on location.
In the Adirondacks, most of the salt runoff that is poisoning personal wells originates from the
roads, as parking lots are only located in the bigger towns. N Munkenbeck said that the
session was general in nature and not specific to Ithaca. It addressed how, when, and where
one applies road salt; the effect of road salt on snow, slush, and ice; and when the application
of salt will be most effective.
S Buck stated that there are many factors in play when it comes to how to salt roads
that this changes with every snowfall. It depends on wind speed, type of snow (dry or wet), time
of day, and temperature.
G Dodici reported that the Community Science Institute (CSI), who collects water
samples from all of the watersheds, has not seen any spikes in salt concentration, either
seasonally or over time. If salt is making it into our systems, for now it seems to be diluting
down to background levels. It does not seem to be accumulating, at least in the areas where
CSI is sampling. S Bissen informed the Board that he volunteers for CSI, sampling on Midline
Rd and Irish Settlement Rd. He too has noticed that chloride levels have not really increased,
and so he wonders where exactly the salt is going if not in the water.
There being no further business, on motion made by S Bissen and seconded by N
Munkenbeck, the meeting was adjourned at 8.30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Loren Sparling
Deputy Town Clerk