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TOWN OF DRYDEN
PLANNING BOARD MEETING
December 2, 2021
Zoom Hybrid
Present: John Kiefer, Chair, Craig Anderson, Tony Salerno, Daniel Bussmann,
Joe Wilson, Linda Wagenet, Alice Green (alternate), Simon St Laurent (alternate)
Absent:
Staff: Ray Burger, Planning Director
Liaisons: Dan Lamb & Loren Sparling (Town Board), Craig Schutt (Conservation Board)
Call to order 6:00 p.m.
Public Comment (for items not on the agenda)
Jolene Lyon read and presented the attached statement and documents.
Jerry Lyon provided copies of pictures that were unable to be displayed last time with notations
of what they represented.
J Kiefer explained that there have been three meetings where there has been a lot of comment
on the issue of safety and related issues for the section of trail that goes through the light industrial
park. Tonight, we are going to hear from the Rail Trail Task Force and their thoughts on the topic. He
wants to be respectful of the board’s time.
Jerry Lyon said this will be helpful to go along with the questions to be asked of the rail trail
representatives. He described the pictures and other documents provided in the package. The town
board makes decisions based on valid and reliable information brought to it, and he doesn’t believe that
was done in this instance. He is not against the trail, but wants it to represent something for town
residents. Not a small portion of the people. He noted that survey by Rails-To Trails Conservancy show
3% of people in suburban areas use a trail for transportation. We are rural and will not get that here.
People prefer a straight line to get to work. They want the fastest way. The rail trail to Freeville is a long
way out of the way. A recreational area in that section of the woods is more beneficial and less
expensive. He looks forward to answers from the RTTF. He will make himself available to anyone who
would like more explanation on what has been presented.
Paula Parker read and presented the attached statement and documents.
J Kiefer said he doesn’t doubt the sincerity of the speakers, the message is strong and good, but
the agenda item was for things not on the agenda. Public comment was ended.
In August during the public comment period concerns were raised about the trail going through
the light industrial district. At the September meeting there were more comments, and it was pointed
out that the Planning Board has nothing to do with rail trail. There are no approvals, and the board has
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not been asked to give input on it. Despite knowing that, those present asked the Planning Board to
consider and offer an opinion to the Town Board and the RTTF on it. The Planning Board agreed to do
that and heard input. They have also invited someone from the RTTF. In October, this group came back
with more information. The board has been very generous in time that was allotted for this. The
Planning Board has tried to be open to the messages being brought forth. This topic was not first on the
agenda tonight and it’s been made that way.
The last meeting was contentious, and he received a lot of phone calls after that. People
recommended curtailing public input. Other boards in the county don’t have a generous public input
and he pushed back on that. He learns a lot from public input, but tonight is not helping.
The Rail Trail item will be first on the agenda. He explained the presentations to this board were
about safety, aesthetic, and economic impacts of the proposed trail route through the Pinckney Road
light industrial district. The discussion tonight is not about the bridge or alternative route. It is about
whether this is the right place for the trail. He has asked Bob Beck to address that and asked the public
to not address Mr Beck. When the presentation is done, he will ask Planning Board members if anyone
wants to propose a next step.
Shirley Lyon presented the attached information but did not address the board.
Bob Beck, Chair of the Rail Trail Task Force, gave the attached presentation, and introduced
Todd Bittner who has been on the RTTF since 2016.
Questions and Comments:
• There is no design yet for crossing Pinckney Road or Hall Road? There is no grant funding yet for
that section of the trail. Design work is as done as projects are able to be implemented.
• That is a dangerous intersection. Of the 66’ of the easement for Hanson, there is 40’ on which to
build a 10’ wide trail. The alignment has not yet been determined. The intersection has been looked
at by a traffic engineer to start to inform what kinds of treatments would be required to get across
Pinckney Road. One will be chosen from the toolkit.
• If the trail was there and the concrete company came for a site plan review, the town would not
allow a driveway there. If a concrete truck is trying to exit the site and there is a pedestrian at the
crossing, there are visibility issues. Clearing the trail will increase the sight lines. Hanson’s driveway
is 65’ wide, so they can work with them as the intersection is designed and get feedback from them.
• The concrete trucks don’t come out fast.
• User activated flashing lights could be used.
• What is the communication between the truck exiting and the pedestrian? Visual. User activated
signs would be visible to the truck driver.
• Where does the toolkit described come from? NYS DOT. These are DOT approved pedestrian
crossing safety features.
• Who decides ultimately what kind of tool will be used? The entity responsible for the road, town,
county, or state.
• What is the practicality of veering the trail south toward Route 13? A better sight line.
• The bigger constraint with that is the NYSEG substation.
• It doesn’t seem the trucks are gathering any speed on the driveway. They are noisy.
• It isn’t the job of the Planning Board to solve the problem, but to point out concerns.
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• Has it been standard practice to get easements and then deal with intersections and crossings? Yes,
along with the funding. They are just dealing with the intersection on Game Farm Road. The County
required a pedestrian safety plan that will be reviewed and approved.
• It would be nice to get the timing a little closer so that a trail isn’t built and then people can’t cross.
• It may be possible to have the Hanson trucks stop back a little way from Pinckney Road. They would
still have visibility in both directions.
• Has there been any input from other businesses in the light industrial park about the trail through
there? None have come to the Task Force with concerns.
• The crossing at Pinckney Road is less concerning than the Route 366 crossing. DOT will be very
involved.
• Have there been any discussions with folks in the light industrial park about liabilities they might
incur? Only regarding the easement that holds the property owner harmless from potential actions
by trail users. The landowner is indemnified and has no liability.
• Have the owners’ lawyers reviewed the document? There were numerous exchanges with Hanson’s
corporate offices in Allentown and a rep at the Pinckney Road site. There is no role for NYSEG in the
light industrial park; the trail is not on their property there. There is an agreement with NYSEG for a
parcel further to the east.
• Have there been discussions with Hanson regarding operations of trucks and safety issues? Not yet.
They will engage them when the task force is ready to focus on that section.
• There will be a hedge installed as a way to keep pedestrians on the trail at the Hanson property.
The intent is to reinforce having the public stay on the trail and not venture into the business
operations.
• A hedge installed on a berm makes sense. If there is still a safety concern, a fence or other
treatment might be considered instead.
• Rail trails do go through industrial areas without hedges.
• Are there plans for a parking area on Pinckney Road? There seems to be a problem at other trail
crossings with people parking on the road. There is no plan for parking on Pinckney Road or Hall
Woods Road. There is a fairly large parking area on Monkey Run Road. It is one of the issues that
needs to be worked on more because there has not been a focus on getting easements for parking
for the trail heads. No grant funds have been received for that kind of development.
• No easement has been secured for the Leonardo property yet. Trail users will have to exit on
Pinckney Road north or south. Swan and NYSEG easements have been secured on the other side of
Pinckney Road. They are not at the building part there yet. No grant funds to construct that section
have been secured yet.
• Those issues to come are part of what the task force will do moving forward.
• If the trail is built and the only way out of the area is north or south on Pinckney Road, will there be
bike lanes, sidewalks, which direction? Where will they go? RTTF will deal with issues as they come
up.
• There is concern for this section and people don’t want to see a bridge to nowhere for 20 years. If
the trail is not completed all the way to 366, what is the impact? The idea was to build the trail from
each end to the middle. Getting across Route 13 is the biggest safety issue there. In the interim, as
the middle is being constructed, you can bike onto Lower Creek Road through Etna to Freeville and
then get back on the trail. It doesn’t serve all users yet. (It seems the bridge to nowhere will go
somewhere this summer and be connected to other trails.)
• If pedestrians get off on Hall Woods Road, how do you get them safely down Hall Road? And on to
366 and Dryden Road? There are no sidewalks on Hall Road for pedestrians to safely walk through.
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This could be an interface for the Planning Board to have a role. The charge to the RTTF is the trail
itself.
• With respect to soil disturbance, there was no SWPPP? DEC permits or Army Corps permits for
crossing creeks? They have consulted with DEC and have not needed permits. When the Cascadilla
bridge work was done, there was an engineered report studied by DEC.
• Depending on the area being worked on in a particular time, a permit might not be required.
Anything under an acre would not trigger a permit.
• If the town had purchased the property on Pinckney Road this may have been easier.
• Business users in the light industrial area would sign an easement readily because they are
indemnified for any harm caused to a trail user through or near their property. There would be no
recourse to go after a property owner – not a good idea in an industrial development area.
J Kiefer said the structure for how this project is being run by the town is that the Town Board
created the Rail Trail Task Force and tasked them with putting the trail in on the railroad bed. The
Planning Board has never had any role in this. A long time ago the Planning Board passed a resolution in
support of the concept of developing the rail trail, but beyond that have never talked about it. In August
a group of community members came to this board apparently dissatisfied with working with the RTTF.
They had concerns that were not being addressed, so they came in August and September, and at their
request and after discussion by board members, the Planning Board members agreed to listen and
weigh in. Community members who came forward have put a lot of thought into this and brought some
appropriate and correct issues that need to be resolved. More information was presented tonight.
The agenda tonight was to hear from the Rail Trail Task Force and then ask board members if
they wanted to make a motion for a next step for the Planning Board.
J Wilson said he has studied and listened, has taken notes, and looked back at the charge to the
RTTF in 2016. He understands that to say raise the issues and advise the Town Board and the public
about the issues and considerations for a successful development of a trail along the abandoned Lehigh
Valley line that would go through Etna and Freeville and connect to the Jim Schug trail and go through
Varna. The Planning Board, on a split vote, voted for hearing more and coming to a collective
conclusion. The issue to him was, has the RTTF regarding the light industrial area where so many issues
have been raised, been diligent in trying to raise the issues, to advise the Town Board of what those
issues were? They have taken on the additional task of suggesting resolutions for them. Has that been
done diligently and competently? It strikes him after hearing about the negotiations, seeing what has
been developed to date, and how the RTTF went about it, that they have indeed been diligent,
competent, have listened to wider range of opinion than just themselves, and consulted experts. He
doesn’t see a role for the Planning Board going forward. The issues have been addressed for the light
industrial area in a reasonable way. People can disagree, and clearly there is some disagreement. In
terms of Planning Board intervening or somehow involving itself going forward in the arena they have
been asked to look at, he doesn’t see a place for the Planning Board. He suggested a resolution to that
effect that the Planning Board has no further role with regard to the light industrial area. L Wagenet
would second that resolution.
Discussion:
C Anderson recommends that the Planning Board at least be consulted on the crossings at Route
366, Pinckney Road, and Route 13 from land use perspective and suggested that the Planning Board at
least hear what is going on. J Wilson suggested that could be a separate resolution.
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It was noted that a preliminary design for the Route 13 crossing has been prepared by Erdman
Anthony.
A Green is glad this conversation occurred and doesn’t think there is role for the Planning Board
in relation to the questions concerning the light industrial park. Planning issues involving transportation
infrastructure to and from the trail are legitimate planning issues and she doesn’t want to lose sight of
that. It isn’t the charge of the RTTF to deal with those and they are typical Planning Board questions.
T Salerno said some members have spent a lot of time reviewing information brought to the
board and done research on their own. He agrees that he doesn’t see a role for Planning Board. The
RTTF has heard the concerns raised in this process. The Town Board has heard these things and making
these notes and information available to them is the appropriate place for them to be. The RTTF was
created to be the lead in creating this trail. There is a gap here. They were tasked with building the trail.
It is kind of out of their scope to worry about what happens to people once they leave the trail and head
up Hall Road or down Pinckney Road or leave the trail anywhere to go elsewhere. That is the scope of
what they were tasked to look at. That is where the Planning Board comes in, where the Village Planning
Board comes in, and where others come in to look at how people get to and from the trail.
S St Laurent said we have let ourselves be drawn into a site plan review that is not in our
jurisdiction and it is time to stop.
D Bussmann said he agrees it was right to listen to this presentation to get a level of confidence
that concerns are being addressed. It may not be what everyone wants, but a lot of the issues that are
being presented can be resolved with best practices. Other that the concerns of traffic off site, he
doesn’t think it is necessary for the Planning Board to weight in.
J Kiefer activated S St Laurent as a voting member for tonight.
RESOLUTION #11 (2021) – NO ROLE FOR PLANNING BOARD REGARDING TRAIL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
PARK AT PINCKNEY ROAD
RESOLVED, that the Planning Board has no further reason to be involved or intervene in the
issues of safety, aesthetics, and economic impacts with regard to the Dryden Rail Trail routing through
the Pinckney Road light industrial district.
Motion by J Wilson, 2nd L Wagenet
In favor – J Kiefer, J Wilson, L Wagenet, D Bussmann, T Salerno, S St Laurent
Opposed – C Anderson
C Anderson said it would be wise to have communication between boards and encourages that
dialogue, specifically with respect to safety concerns and planning for crossings at Pinckney Road, Route
366, and Route 13.
T Salerno said he does have concerns regarding how people get to and from the trail. Looking at
property uses around the trail is certainly within the purview of the Planning Board. He’d like to see
some involvement in thinking about how the rail trail intersects with zoning and other things around it.
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J Kiefer suggested making this an agenda item. A Green is on the RTTF and if something of
interest comes up and the board feels it is important to look at, the RTTF could be invited back to
address the board.
Tim Woods, Conservation Board member, said he just conducted a 3.5-month investigation on
the question of due diligence and legal issues on the trail and there are significant impediments to the
connectivity of the trail. Are we ever going to get a trail that connects Etna to Freeville? His position is
that because of four major impediments the town will never get connectivity. He would like to get his
information out to board members. He was told he could send it to the town clerk with instruction to
share it with particular boards.
J Kiefer said the public has brought forward concerns that need to be addressed in an honest
respectful, straight forward way and he hopes that happens. They have put a lot of careful thought into
it and hopes that they can work it out. The Planning Board doesn’t bring much value to the conversation
and have chosen not to. He encouraged open dialogue with the RTTF and thanked everyone for their
testimony.
A Green thanked the presenters and the Rail Trail Task Force for the 6 years of work they have
done on behalf of the town.
Approval of Minutes
J Kiefer said after the last minutes he received many phone calls on two topics. One was concern
about the sort of environment on the Planning Board and the possibility of it impairing recruitment for
the board. He shared that Tom Hatfield had told him that the sign of a good board is one that is able to
have good, fierce debates on topics and then go out later and have a beer. It is his intent to have a
strong set of arguments on topics and for board members to state their piece, members of the public
express their view and then make the decisions that the board is asked to make.
The other concern was how to engage the public. Some people think we need to cut back on
input, and he pushed back on that. The public engagement processes on the board’s agenda were there
when he became involved. The meeting opens with comment from the public, then as we move into
the agenda and talk about specific projects, there is also an opportunity for the public to weigh in. It has
worked out well for us. The Planning Board can decide how to have to public input. The Open Meetings
Law requires that the public be able to witness what the board does, but does not provide that the
public can participate. He asked board members whether they wanted to have a discussion on public
engagement in the future. Until then, meetings will continue in the current format.
At the request of C Anderson, an inaccurate sentence was removed, and on motion of J Wilson,
seconded by T Salerno, the minutes were unanimously approved.
Coordination with Town Board
Dan Lamb was asked if he anticipates any zoning changes regarding dispensaries wanting to
move into the town and how the Town Board is viewing the topic of legalized recreational marijuana. He
responded that the Marijuana Regulation and Tax Act allows communities to opt out of having
dispensaries in their communities if they act before the end of the year. That does not prevent anyone
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from using, consuming, or possessing marijuana in the town. If you don’t opt out, you are privy to the
sales tax revenue. In this case, marijuana is taxed at a rate that would allow 4% sales tax to stay in the
county. Of that, the town would get 75%, a good deal for our municipality. There is no interest on the
Town Board to opt out and do not plan to do so by the end of the month. With respect to what happens
next, the legislation sets up an office of cannabis management. They will promulgate advisories to the
municipalities on zoning and regulations that go out to those interested in being licensed. There are 11
different types of licenses that businesses can apply for to participate in the retail, growing, or
processing opportunity. The state sees this as a growth industry. Projections are 350 million dollars in
tax revenue annually. That will be spread out among the various municipalities that participate.
The advice from Tompkins County is that we can’t do anything until we get more direction from
the state. No one will have the ability to sell, grow, or process marijuana in the next year. We will have
plenty of time to adjust our zoning law and decide where this sort of thing can go. We can regulate the
hours of operation and other aspects. We are not under the gun to get out in front of this. There will be
no surprises or taking advantage of the town or trying to find a loophole to get in here right now. We
don’t have to act right away. The town will take up rezoning once the comp plan is adopted because
we’ll want to adjust our zoning law. We may have more guidance from the state on how to adjust for
this new industry at that time. If the town doesn’t feel there is enough time, the board can pass a
moratorium until it is ready. Licenses won’t be available for at least a year.
Planning Department Update
Ray Burger reported that last month the Town Board approved the amendment for the special
use permit for Scotties Auto. They have an adjoining lot where they will be able to put in 14 parking
spaces behind the building, giving them a total of 37 spaces. The recommendations made by the
Planning Board were put in as conditions of the SUP.
The Town Board also approved a special use permit for Knickerbocker Bed Frame Company at 17
Hall Road and the Planning Board recommendation was put in as a condition of the SUP approval. Most
of the stretch code does apply to new construction, but pieces of it apply to remodeling. Once we know
what the plan is (no application has been received yet), we’ll know more about what portions apply.
Town Code Enforcements Officers are charged with enforcing the stretch code and have had training in
that regard.
Alternations is in the law, and that is unique for the building code. In LEED alterations include
changing the surface of a wall. A member asked how alterations will be interpreted. It has an impact. R
Burger said he is relying on the town’s Code Enforcement Officers to apply the code. It is a lot of new
stuff and they have been attending trainings, both in commercial and residential.
C Anderson asked if Knickerbocker would have to update their exterior lighting. That would be
site plan review and in the purview of the Planning Board. It looks like they would have to have a
minimum of two charging stations. R Burger will try to get a response from the Code Enforcement
Officers. He expects a building permit application by the end of year and will have engineered plans to
make these judgment calls on.
There was some discussion about whether the HVAC system will be electric or natural gas. That
is unknown currently. Knickerbocker did answer the four areas of concern for Tompkins County energy
as part of their application.
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The next steering committee meeting for the comp plan will be January 12.
RESOLUTION #12 (2021) – RECOMMEND J KIEFER FOR CHAIR FOR 2022
RESOLVED, that the Town of Dryden Planning Board hereby recommends the appointment of
John Kiefer as Chair for the 2022 calendar year.
Moved by C Anderson, 2nd by A Green
All in favor
The meeting was adjourned at 8:26 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Bambi L. Avery