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Planning Board
April 26, 2018
Present: John Kiefer, David Weinstein, Joe Wilson, Tom Hatfield, Jim Skaley (alternate)
Absent: Marty Moseley, Marty Hatch, Craig Anderson
Town Staff: Ray Burger, Planning Director
Bambi Avery, Town Clerk
Liaisons: Dan Lamb (Town Board), Peter Davies (Conservation Board)
Vice Chair John Kiefer called the meeting to order 7:00 p.m. and gave Jim Skaley voting member
privileges due to the absence of several voting members. Because D Weinstein will leave the meeting
early, the Varna zoning presentation was moved up on the agenda.
Public Comment for items not on the agenda
Peter Davies, Chair of the Conservation Board, introduced himself as the liaison from the Conservation
Board.
Approval of Minutes
After discussion and correction of a typo in the minutes of February 22, 2018, J Wilson moved to
approve them, seconded by D Weinstein.
Yes: J Kiefer, D Weinstein J Wilson, J Skaley
Abstain: T Hatfield (not present on 2/22/18)
Varna Zoning
Dave Weinstein presented a comparison he prepared with respect to whether zoning in Varna is
appropriate as it currently stands and whether we are on track to meet the goal the Varna Hamlet Plan
envisioned. He distributed the attached information. He asked the board to review this Build-out
Analysis (attached) prior to the next meeting and let him know whether there are other materials on the
subject he could generate so that everything could be on the table for discussion.
This analysis sets the goal of where the Varna Plan was directed in terms of how many bedrooms were
going to be developed under the goal to “help the community grow without compromising the integrity
of the landscape or the residents’ values.” The estimate is done as bedrooms because it is a better
measure of impact of the development in terms of the pressure on necessary services and the quality of
life related to that number of bedrooms created. The units referred in the zoning law were converted to
bedrooms using conservative estimates of the average number of bedrooms for each type of unit. The
build-out analysis in the Plan said we were looking for growth of about 454 bedrooms to an existing
approximately 400 bedrooms not counting the manufactured home park. 454 increases the number of
bedrooms including the manufactured housing by about 70%, or not counting that by 115%, about
doubling the community. That’s more dense than many thought, but reasonable.
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In 2012 there were about 400 bedrooms with a quarter of those in single family housing. The town has
already approved 205 of the 454 expected. The plan was intended to reach the next 20-30 years, but
we are already halfway there. Almost all the new bedrooms are in apartments, townhouses and
duplexes to date. 1061 Dryden Road is included in the build-out because this really is part of Varna
though it is not officially in a zone in the Varna Hamlet Plan. The Plan was envisioning a 1.1 apartment
related bedroom for every one single family house bedroom, and we have been adding at the rate of 13
apt bedrooms for every single family house. We are not incentivizing single family housing as much as
we had hoped. The Tiny Timbers project on Freese Road was included at 1 bedroom each, but they may
be two bedrooms.
The calculation adds up how much is available in each zone and what the allowable density is in terms of
bedrooms. We are looking at potentially upwards of 2700 bedrooms that could be built if the entire
hamlet was redeveloped with a redevelopment bonus to townhouses. That would be 514% of the stated
goal. He understands that not all properties will be redeveloped, so there may not be the
redevelopment bonus, but that would still get the number to 2600, way beyond the number envisioned.
If only half the acreage was developed at the density that is allowed and we don’t give any
redevelopment bonus, we are still looking at 174% over the stated goal. Current zoning is pushing us
past where we wanted to go.
Not every lot will be redeveloped or at such a high density. The bottom line is you want zoning that
prevents the density from blasting through the goal set in the plan. D Weinstein would like a discussion
at the next meeting about: is this a problem and/or can we make changes to the existing zoning so we
can have zoning that doesn’t allow this high development. He asked for input and suggestions for a
more in depth discussion at next meeting.
Jim Skaley said there is a large developer that is apparently in the process of purchasing all of the
Lucente properties in Varna. They primarily develop for student housing.
J Kiefer said he was told by the Acting Facility Director for Campus that they are getting ready to start a
project that would add 1,000 freshman beds on North Campus, a roughly 33% increase in enrollment in
the university. Those freshmen would be looking for housing for their future years at Cornell and
development pressure could be increasing substantially.
D Weinstein said his understanding is that they want to move from housing all freshmen to housing all
freshmen and sophomores. He went to the East Hill Village discussions and they are clearly planning to
put 600 units for anyone who wants to live there.
T Hatfield would like more detail in how the numbers were put together so everyone understands what
is driving the numbers. Pressure is increasing all around and we can’t ignore the reality of the market
place. Development will happen all around Varna and increase traffic. Developers need a clear picture
of what the community wants. It isn’t well defined.
D Weinstein will put together some maps. Comments should be sent to him and/or Ray Burger.
Discussion of development of 44 Acres
Rebecca Cutter and Alex Colket
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Rebecca Cutter said she and Alex Colket have formed Natural Dwellings, LLC and purchased 44 acres
next to 1502 Ellis Hollow Road. A map was provided showing a gravel drive, easements and Cascadilla
Creek. They displayed sketches of the community they would like to build. It would be a small
ecological community with five to six homes (one may be a duplex for rental). They would also like to
create opportunities for homes on wheels to be there seasonally. They have had many meetings with
Ray Burger and Dave Sprout and are looking for input from the Planning Board on their design ideas.
Comments, questions and answers:
Would there be a homeowners association? Possibly.
The business will hold some of the land, maintain it, and grant homeowners access to it.
There could be a farmstand, a garden area, seasonal cabins.
Land improvements will be done in 2018 but not likely any buildings.
The siting of the buildings on the lot is good.
There will not be an RV park, but it would be more for friends with tiny homes on wheels.
They are trying to create a diverse community of seasonal occupants, renters and homeowners.
The idea of a lot of tiny homes on wheels showing up at one time is not good. It needs to be limited to a
small number.
Having more people around in an area than the community is used to can be too big a disturbance for
current residents.
There would be one driveway from the road to serve all the homes.
Conservation subdivision could work here.
Neighbors expressed concern with water quantity during discussion of a neighboring development.
Developer is aware of the Health Department requirement of the 150’ circle for sewer and are trying to
find ways to satisfy that requirement.
They are trying to create a dense community feel and an acre feels like a very large piece of property.
There were water quantity concerns by neighbors with a recent application for a subdivision in the area.
The town has been encouraging cluster development with large parcels in conservation easements.
There are clusters like this in other towns in the county with shared wells and septics that work.
There would need to be a management tool with a common shared ownership situation.
Board had positive comments on the concept.
Developer is trying to create affordable housing.
Some driveway requirements are code driven.
A common sewage system would require formation of a homeowners association and a transportation
corporation and is costly.
The County could be petitioned to take a look at their laws regarding this.
Perhaps the town needs to think about its zoning in combination with the County Health Department to
accommodate concepts similar to this.
Formation of a homeowners association could possibly solve some of the problems, but is costly and will
drive the cost of the homes up.
The developers have investigated a lot of the issues and wondered which of the codes they could work
on with the town and which are concrete and must be incorporated into the design.
They are working on a common shared ownership model.
There is a vehicle for this in the town, but the issue is health department regulations.
Compatibility with the nature of the neighborhood is important to the town.
Housing on wheels sounds like a campground and would require a special use permit.
An Ag enterprise is permitted by right.
The town likes this type of development; it’s the kind we want to have.
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Developers have met with the neighbors and are trying to be considerate of them.
(D Weinstein left at 8:05 p.m.)
There will not be a lot of tree removal.
They may do some forest farming (mushrooms, willow).
It will be a woodland environment with a center garden and a pond.
It was suggested they do a presentation to the County Health Board.
The sewage is an engineering question.
Could do a conservation subdivision and lease instead of sell the plots.
The cost of the driveway is a huge expense and could determine the number of homes there.
Access by fire equipment is necessary and a public safety issue.
Perhaps there could be two road cuts on Ellis Hollow Road.
They could put a couple of houses there now.
There is nothing to preclude phased development.
Planning Department Update
Mineah Road Development – Mr Wawak submitted a sketch plan today for three cottages on the lot
(Pine Ridge Cottages). Shirley Lyon objected to the fact that Mr Wawak submitted plans today and it
was put on the agenda for tonight. Mr Weinstein, who is heading up the group looking at the rezoning
of Mineah Road is not present. This doesn’t give anyone time to look it over and ask questions. She’d
like to see this tabled until next month. R Burger explained that this is not an action item for tonight.
We’ve been talking about three cottages on the property for a few months and the owner has finally put
it down in writing. This is a seven acre lot and a development by right. It is not the maximum buildout
on this lot.
S Lyon asked if he could phase in more buildings later. Mineah Road has substantiated that they have
water problems, they have a traffic intersection hazard, and he is building again on a 20% slope. She
appreciates the other developers that came in. Mr Wawak has never given any courtesy to his
neighbors.
R Burger said it is zoned mixed-use commercial now and can be traced back to the property being
owned by a single owner. The fact is there are three lots there and the front lot that has a couple of
rentals is very appropriately mixed-use commercial. This 6-7 acre lot will have three single family homes
on it, and that is appropriate for the lot. It is a use by right in this zoning district and by site plan review
in any of the other contemplated zoning districts.
S Lyon pointed out that in the past Mr Wawak has come back to the town for permission to turn a
garage into apartments. He is skillful. Now he is seeing resistance and she thinks he will phase it in and
the Planning Board will not have any say. This is good for now, but she wants to see what happens next
year. She would like to see a moratorium put on Mineah Road because they have established a water
problem. Mr Wawak will get some return on his purchase.
New York State did show a concern about the traffic and the intersection does not have a good line of
sight. Mr Weinstein has done his own study. The state has not put down counters. They did not want
to know and even knocked off Kirk Road on the other side so that doesn’t show on the counters.
If Mr Wawak gets this, they want a moratorium on Mineah Road until the results start coming in. She
asked what the odds of that happening are. (The Town Board would do the moratorium and it is
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typically six months to do a study.) S Lyon stated there is information presented by Rural Water on
several wells in the Mineah Road area (some things were inaccurate).
Members reviewed the plan presented by Mr Wawak. R Burger brought it to the board because they
had dealt with the Pine Ridge Cottages project and it is proper for the board to stay apprised of what is
happening since the original proposal is no longer being executed. S Lyon is concerned that this could
be a first phase and that Mr Wawak may apply for future building permits for this parcel. R Burger
explained a stormwater plan has to be done for the entire lot regardless of any phasing. Because the
first project approved was abandoned, any development now starts over again. S Lyon asked if Wawak
did a stormwater plan now could he come back without appearing before the Planning Board and get an
approval for three more cottages. R Burger said three more would put six on the lot and probably over
the threshold for stormwater, so he’d have to get a stormwater plan. The parking issue was why he
originally came to the board. The water issue is his ultimate limitation.
S Lyon asked about the town using home rule. She and her neighbors have real concerns. It was
explained that home rule refers to special legislation enacted by municipalities that is not prohibited. It
allows municipalities to enact laws as long as it doesn’t go against the State Constitution. Dan Lamb said
it’s a rather broad term to be using in this situation. Do they want a special law passed regarding this? S
Lyon said they were referring to denying something even though all the laws fit because it would
endanger someone or natural resource. Could the board deny and require more testing of the applicant
because some legitimate agencies have said there is a problem? J Skaley said in this instance it may be a
taking issue because approval has already been given. It was pointed out that this application is a
matter of right. It can’t be retroactive. Courts are available to settle issues like this between neighbors.
Mr Wawak will not have to go through SEQR review for the current plan or do a stormwater plan
because he has not crossed the threshold with the three homesites. Adding more homes next year
would trigger a stormwater plan.
1756 Hanshaw Road – This is an application for a contractor yard across from the Guthrie Clinic and will
come before the Planning Board next month for sketch plan review.
SUP for 63 Hammond Hill Road, Camp Earth Connection – is a town board action scheduled for a
hearing on May 17th. This is expansion of a pre-existing use. Materials were provided to this board and
members can personally convey any concerns to the Town Board.
5 Freese Road – Tiny Timbers – The adjoining lot has accumulated a lot of cement as its been filled over
the years. Nick Bellasario would like to process (crush) that cement and reuse it in the infrastructure for
the Tiny Timbers project. It could be done under an operating permit with fixed a period, dust control,
and specific hours. That would likely have less impact than if it were trucked offsite to a crusher
operation and brought back. The operating permit is issued by the Planning Department. R Burger will
proceed unless there are concerns.
Monday, May 14, at the Varna Community Center there will be an open house for Trinitas Development
to get input from the community. They have a purchase offer on Lucente’s properties off of Mt
Pleasant.
The Planning Department’s update to the Town Board included an update on the 802 Dryden Road
townhomes. They have a connection issue with the water supply and have to go under the road to
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connect. Normally DOT would require a private permit to the developer which is a long process. The
town is exploring an agreement between the developer and the town so that it becomes town
infrastructure because the town already has a use and occupancy permit with DOT and it would be a
smoother path. The contractor would do the work and be responsible for any future maintenance. The
Town of Ithaca and Town of Dryden are working on agreement for transfer of the Cornell apple orchard
PRV.
The sketch plan conference for offices at 1495 Dryden Road for the UAW was not held because no
representatives from the UAW were present.
There being no further business, on motion made, seconded and unanimously carried, the meeting was
adjourned at 8:58 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Bambi L. Avery