HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-11-12 TOWN OF DRYDEN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
November 12 , 2002
AGENDA . ( 1 ) Alicia Alexander
( 2) Richard & Tracy Marisa
MEM . PRESENT : Chairperson Charles Hanley , Stuart Berg , Walter
Matyjas , Oers Kelemen , Nick La Motte
ALSO PRESENT : Zoning Officer Henry Slater, Recording Secretary
Penny Lisi , Applicant ( 1 ) Alicia Alexander ( 2 ) Richard
Marisa , Mark Varvayanis ; Peggy Walbridge , Robin
Ceily
LEGAL COUNSEL : Randy Marcus
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( 1 ) ALICIA ALEXANDER
7 : 30 PM Chairperson Hanley opened the hearing of Alicia Alexander of 136
Hunt Hill Road , Ithaca who is requesting permission to erect a 3
square foot freestanding sign at 0' from the edge of the right of way
' where 15 ' is required . Chair Hanley read the record into file . Chair
Hanley asked Randy if it was necessary to read the special permit
from the Town Board .
R . Marcus : I don 't know obviously there' s no necessity to read it because it's
part of the record being distributed to all the members of the Board .
If we' re going to call attention to anything , call attention to the
memo dated November 29 , 2001 to Ms . Alexander regarding
conditions of the approval in the middle paragraph ; the second
sentence of the middle paragraph , "Attorney Perkins suggested
there be a note in the approval that the sign is not being approved
and requires a variance" , and at the bottom of that just after the
resolution approving the special permit , "This approval shall not
constitute approval for the applicants sign . The applicant will seek
a variance for the sign " and that was as of November 29 , 2001 .
The other attachment again is labeled page 2 of Special Permit
Review and the second paragraph reads , "The second concern is
that of the setback of the Amazing Grace free standing sign . It
appears to be a zero or less feet setback and is subject to
relocation or ZBA consideration . " This is the end of a letter from
Henry copied to the town board members to Ms . Alexander,
C . Hanley : While there is no neighborhood reaction in the file , the applicant
has just presented two letters which I ' ll read into the record . Letter
dated November 11 , 2002 from Laura Stengler and K . A . Schott of
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147 Hunt Hill Road , Ithaca : "We are writing to state our approval of
® the variance of Alicia Alexander, 136 Hunt Hill Road to have a sign
for her bed and breakfast located in its present position . The
current placement of that sign as well as the trees nearby present
no problem to us as nearest neighbors . Sincerely , Laura Stengler
and K .A . Schott. " The next letter read as follows : "To the Zoning
Board of Appeals Town of Dryden from Peggy Walbridge . We are
writing in support of Alicia Alexander's request for a variance for her
current sign on her property on Hunt Hill Road . I have no problem
with her sign or trees . Signed Peggy Walbridge ; dated 121"
November, 2002 . " That is the only neighborhood reaction I have .
H . Slater: I received none .
C . Hanley : Ms . Alexander, is there anything you 'd like to add or underline ?
A . Alexander: There is a pre-existing stone wall that , although I am in the
process of redoing the stone wall , it' s been there for years
and stands with my sign behind it . ( Noted she had a picture
of it and showed the board members ) . Mr. Berg came out
and saw the whole deal . In terms of presenting any issues
about getting plowed into by the snowplow , it seems it would
have to be one massive snowplow to get through the stone
wall first . Also , it's not standing too close to the road as far
as I can see .
S . Berg : Its 4 feet 1 inch from the road side of the post to the edge of the
stone wall . Then it' s 6 feet 4 inches from the edge of the stone wall
to the edge of the pavement. I didn 't measure the actual thickness
of the stone wall but it' s about a 1 X2 feet thick . So that' s about 12
feet from the edge of the pavement and is over 4 feet behind that
stone wall . The stone wall isn 't just a stone wall ; there 's dirt behind
it up flush , more like a retaining wall .
C . Hanley : Do you an exact measurement Henry?
H . Slater : Ms . Alexander and I measured it about a year ago and came up
with about 25 feet from the center of the pavement . Whatever I
wrote to the Town Board a year ago is what the measurement was .
R. Marcus : The thing that Henry put in the letter to Ms . Alexander from early
November last year, it appears to be a zero or less setback from
the road right-of-way . So that would all correspond to what you just
said .
S . Berg : I don 't understand how that corresponds ?
R. Marcus : The road right-of-way is 50 feet .
S . Berg : That' s being disputed in court right now .
R . Marcus : I 'm just going by standard New York and I ' m only involved in the
Town as far as your board goes .
S . Berg : So , in this case I don 't think we don 't have a standard setback for
that particular road .
R . Marcus : I ' m not talking about a standard setback , I ' m just saying , it's pretty
well established New York State law is that if a town acquires a
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road by use , it' s three rods wide : a rod is 16 '/2 feet, three comes to
49 Y2 feet. I ' m just giving you a black letter law . I don 't know what's
being disputed and I ' m sorry I ' m not up on local issues . It' s not just
New York State that comes from colonial times .
S . Berg : There happens to be a court case right now. In fact there ' s some
people here who are involved in that court case including Alicia
Alexander and I think the Town is on the other side of that , or at
least Jack Bush is .
W. Matyjas : But for zoning purposes , we' re talking about the right of way as
defined not as used . I think the Town issue is what portion of the
right of way is used versus of the deed uses .
C . Hanley : Okay, was there anything else you would like to add ? Anyone who
wants to speak to this issue , just raise your hand and state your
name and address for the recorder.
P. Walbridge : Peggy Walbridge , 123 Hunthill Road . The Town has
indicated they do not have the deed to this road and that it is
customary usage and so it is acknowledged that it does not
have fifty feet on this road . I fully support , and in talking to
some of the neighbors , we all support Alicia .
R. Ceily : Robin Ceily , I ' m a neighbor of Alicia on the next road , 332 Kirk
Road . I ' m not sure why we' re talking about the setback from the
center line because the zoning ordinance doesn 't say anything
about the center line ; it only talks about the road right of way .
ASince Judge Mulvey himself in his decision could not establish a
road right of way line , I ' m not sure we can tonight decide where the
right of way line is . I just want to emphasize that even though
letters came out from the zoning officer talking about the center
line , the zoning ordinance says nothing about the center line , only
about the road right of way at least as far as I can see .
C . Hanley : Do you want to speak to that at all Randy?
R. Marcus : Actually , I had a question for Henry on that . On the October 11 to
memo about tonight's hearing , you say that, " . . . free standing sign
for a home occupation which has been determined to be about 0
feet from the edge of the public road right of way where 15 ' or 40 '
from the road center is required . " That I wasn 't sure where the 40'
from the road center part of that came from because what Robin
was just saying is the only reference that I find is 15 ' from the road
right of way.
H . Slater: That' s correct because there is confusion about where the road
right of way ends , typically in a situation where we look at a sign if
you had assumed there was a 25 ' easement then you would add
15 ' and that was only to give you some idea what typically you
would see a sign setting from the center of the road . But, in this
case it is in dispute and I have no clue where the edge of the road
right of way was but we started this a year or so ago , I thought I
knew where the road right of way is but now that's no longer
® known . I believe , typically, part of the decision is that the
maintained use is where the road is assumed to be from the
backside of the ditch to the center of the road but there really isn 't a
ditch in front of Alicia 's house so who knows where it is . So
typically a sign would be not closer than 40 ' from the center of the
pavement and that' s why I threw that in there because I assumed
this would become something that we would have try to figure out
where the easement is because we don 't know.
W. Matyjas : From a legal standpoint , can we grant a variance in a disputed
edge of right of way . Usually we would say you ' re allowed to put
the sign " x" amount of feet . Instead of giving you a 15 ' setback ,
we ' ll give you a 5 ' setback , but if it' s in dispute , it' s a magical
moving line .
S . Berg : The way I looked at it is the intent of the zoning law is it would be
so there isn 't damage from a snow plow, there isn 't blockage of
view , etc . The fact this is behind a stone retaining wall and the fact
it is within a foot or two of an oak tree that's got to be four feet in
diameter, meaning if something is going to hit that post , it's going to
hit the oak tree . Basically, can it be done on the intent of the law
that it' s not a problem ?
R . Marcus : You can take into account whatever factors you think are relevant
to that particular case in hand ; that could involve what ever trees
are there , the topography of the land in between the road and the
Osign , the curvature of the road , other issues with regard to line of
sight . I agree with Oers that it can be done if you want to do it this
way by virtue of where the sign is currently located . You 're not as
specific as virtually every other case you would end up being
because you ' re tying it into a measurement . Most of those cases ,
your dealing with before there 's any improvement done and the
reason you ' re being specific in terms of measurement is because
you don 't have anything in the ground yet and you want the
property owner to know specifically how many feet they need to be
from the front line or side line , whatever the case may be to
whether they build . It's the fewer cases that you address where
there' s already something built and you 've got to decide whether
it' s going to be allowed . Usually you have a specific measurement
because you usually have a survey map where a surveyor has told
you what the specific measurement is . I think Oers is right that you
could do it simply based on the current location taking into account
whatever factors you feel are important to this case .
N . LaMotte : You don 't have a hard copy of that picture being circulated
unfortunately? That would be something to put in the file .
S . Berg : I also measured the area of the sign , it' s 2 . 96 square feet. It' s just
under 3 square feet .
H . Slater: It' s allowed to be 6 square feet.
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O C . Hanley : I ' m a little at odds with how to proceed here as this is a pretty
nebulous situation . While I realize our actions aren 't presidential , it
worries me that we would be basing it on pretty much saying the
sign is okay where it is , which is basically what a variance would
come down to . I ' m a little concerned how to proceed here
especially now we' re not even sure where the right of way is or if
there is a right of way in existence .
S . Berg : Can we define it as current location "x" feet from center of the road
and not even refer to the right of way?
N . LaMotte : That was something I was thinking about . That I think most anyone
can agree on where the center of the highway is . The dispute is
how far to the edge or what the Town has got or does not have .
And , if we define this is as present location "x" number of feet from
the center of the highway , that's assuming they' re not going to
make some drastic relocation of the highway.
H . Slater: I think when you get finished with this particular case , this points
out a need to request that the Town consider a different way of
measuring setback from signs , rather that from the edge of the road
easement.
C . Hanley : Does the Town have any basis for action on this situation ? What
would be the basis for their action against Ms . Alexander supposing
they ordered her to remove the sign , speaking hypothetically?
They would base it on what?
oR. Marcus : Well , on 1501 because of 15 ' any road right of way line .
C . Hanley : I thought that was in dispute .
R. Marcus : Well , apparently it is , and again , I ' m sorry I don 't know the details of
the dispute . I ' m sure that in this action the Town has its
perspective on where the road right of way is so if it were going to
take some action with respect to the sign it would base it on where
the Town thinks the road right of way line is . I ' m sorry I can 't be
more specific about this matter.
N . LaMotte : If we grant the applicant a variance to leave that sign as located at
"x" number of feet from the center of the highway , the Town has got
to challenge that variance before they can have it moved ?
S . Berg : Yes , but the variance doesn 't even mention the right of way width .
N . LaMotte : Let's forget that .
R. Marcus : Just say you ' re permitting it to exist where it exists and then if the
Town Board wants to challenge your grant of the variance , is that
what you ' re saying ?
N . LaMotte : I ' m saying that' s the only avenue for them to achieve the effect of
moving the sign . In other words , the sign becomes legal if we give
her the variance so then they have got to go the long way around .
R. Marcus : Yes , and they would have to find that you were arbitrary and
capricious in your determination . So if the question is by giving the
variance where you don 't know the answer to the question where is
the right of way line , is that arbitrary or capricious , I don 't have any
way to tell you . My own opinion , no , if you take into account all the
various factors that have been thrown around like the tree near by
and the retaining wall and the difference in height from the road to
the sign , you know all the kinds of things you would normally take
into account when you ' re considering a sign variance , I would think
a judge would have a real hard time saying that you 've been
arbitrary or capricious . The only possible lack of strength to your
granting of the variance here is that you don 't have an actual
measurement . I ' m not talking about anything to do with the where
the right of way is , I ' m just saying that in most of your cases , in the
vast majority of your cases , you have a survey map that has a
surveyors measurement on it as to whatever location may be for
the improvement you ' re talking about. There have been a few
cases along the way where you haven 't had a survey map and this
same question has come up . Is it a weaker position for the board
to be in to grant a variance when you don 't actually have survey
map but I said yeah it's a weaker position than if you have a survey
map but that' s a pretty fine distinction .
N . LaMotte : Did you indicate , Henry , that at some point you did have a
measurement from the center of the highway to this sign ?
H . Slater: Yes . The applicant and I measured it together.
N . LaMotte : Have you got that out in your file?
S . Berg : By my measurement yesterday , which I didn 't measure the half
Owidth of the road , but if it is 11 ' then I would say it's about 23 ' from
the center line .
W. Matyjas : I guess getting back to the point of the 1501 , it reads , " . . . no portion
of any sign shall be located closer than 15 ' to any road right of way
line . " That line is in dispute so it's moving , literally . If you take it as
edge of pavement, it's 11 ' from center line . If you take it from three
rods , it' s 25 ' from center line . Even if we took it 11 ' from center line ,
you ' re still in that 15 ' , but you still require a variance regardless of
where that line is . Is that correct? So I think all we' re saying is if
we grant a variance instead of doing a standard variance saying
instead of 15 ' setback you only need 51 , we 'd have to be very
specific and say you can be no more than 23 ' from center line .
R. Marcus : Yeah , then in the current location which the zoning officer has
indicated from previous measurement to be 23 '/2 feet . . .
W. Matyjas : . . . we don 't want to measure 22 . 11 on a survey map .
S . Berg : We can say approximately .
R . Marcus : I ' m not telling you not to , I ' m saying that if you had exact
measurements you would have that much stronger position . But ,
I ' m not saying that you ' re open to challenge just because you don 't
have a survey map . The same point again has nothing to do with
how wide the right of way is it' s just a matter of how much evidence
you have in your application .
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4 O . Kelemen : We can make reference to the recollection to the survey taken
approximately a year ago .
R . Marcus : Well , I think Henry is finding it in his files so he may have a hard
copy.
S . Berg : It wasn 't a survey though they just measured it with a tape
measure .
C . Hanley : Again , I have no problem with the sign , it' s a nice sign , it looks
great there , it' s a nice business , it' s just to me sloppy work. No
measurements , no surveys , approximately's , kind ofs , it just
bothers me . I don 't know how the Town could take any action
against and making her move the sign anyway because they don 't
know any more than we' re seeing here . So , I almost wonder why
we don 't simply postpone until either the case is or we have a
survey or something . These things have a way of coming back at
us .
W. Matyjas : The only reference in the record is it appears to be a zero or less
feet setback . And , if that line 's in dispute , you could argue it' s
actually is setback .
A . Alexander: Despite how far, or whatever, isn 't the whole concept of a
variance saying even though it' s not in compliance , we ' re
going to grant it to you anyway?
S . Berg : We usually say how much out of compliance it is . We usually say ,
for example in a side lot set back , it requires 15 ' and if someone
0 builds a shed and you know from the survey map that they' re 12' ,
so we' re granting them a T variance to allow them to be within 12'
feet of the side property line .
W. Matyjas : Here we don 't know . Is it zero , is it 11 , is it 12 , is it appears to be?
That's what we ' re looking at .
C . Hanley : And also remember our job is down the road because the variance
stays with the property after you sell it and they sell it and they sell
it . Our charge is to look ahead into the future . Speaking for myself,
there' s no problem with the sign as it is now ; I ' m not worried about
that . But you never know what' s coming down the line and I just
personally hate to leave loose ends since there seems to be so
much in flux here .
M . Varvayanis : As a past zoning board member, back when I was on there , I
think if I had heard this case , we probably would have
granted it assuming it was a zero setback because they
have a mitigating circumstance . Now knowing that while we
don 't know exactly where the right of way is , so it might be
zero or greater, I don 't see where that makes your position
any worse , especially if you define it as from the center line
of the road .
C. Hanley : Henry's back .
H . Slater: Everywhere I write about it , I refer to it as zero or slightly less . We
® measured somewhere in the vicinity of 25 ' +/- 1 believe.
S . Berg : Could it be done on contingent on Henry taking a final
measurement and setting it .
R . Marcus : In other words , you were to grant it to its current location , the
specific distance to be added to the file by Henry at a later time and
not be relocated . What you were just alluding to Stu , was that your
concern in past grants has been that somebody doesn 't actually
build closer than what you 've granted .
W. Matyjas : This case in point , if we allow a zero setback where 15 is required ,
and the dispute is settled and it is in fact the edge of pavement,
then we literally allow this sign to be relocated to the literal edge of
pavement if we worded it that way .
S . Berg : We can 't take any measurement from right of way because it's in
dispute and you just can 't do that.
C. Hanley : I ' m sensing the board is question out . Anybody have any more
questions? Alright , then we' ll move on to the next hearing .
( 2 ) RICHARD AND TRACY MARISA
8 : 12 PM : Chairperson Hanley opened the hearing of Richard and Tracy
Marisa of 16 Settlement Road , Ithaca , New York who are
requesting variance relief to a home structure built at 10 . 3 ' to a
Settlement Road turn around where 15 ' is required . Chair Hanley
read the record into file .
C . Hanley : We have no neighborhood reaction in the folder so , is there
anything you wish to add to the application or stress to the board
members ?
R. Marisa : I think that the only other things are that there is a culvert indicated
on the survey map and that is where Mr. Bush put the culvert in to
the driveway entrance so , he put it in so it's where he wants it to be .
You can see that it's also away from the end of the deeded
turnaround .
S . Berg : Can you show us where that culvert is on this diagram ?
R. Marisa : There' s a survey, it' s here on this survey map ( approached the
Board to point out on map ) so this dotted line is the culvert and
when we purchased the property the paved part of the turnaround ,
the working part of it , was before that culvert so it wasn 't developed
that far to put the culvert in and extend it beyond that. The working
part , what ever that' s worth , of the snowplow turnaround gives even
additional distance from where the structure is .
S . Berg : The only thing in question with us right now is the distance to the
porch and obviously the Town Highway Superintendent doesn 't
have a concern with that so if he doesn 't have a concern with that
then I 'm really not concerned . But he did have a concern with the
future placement of the garage and that' s not an issue.
R. Marcus : The only thing that I would suggest you do because it is indicated
on the material the applicant submitted is affirmatively state in your
decision that you are making no comment on the location of the
garage as shown on the sketch map .
N . LaMotte : I have some concerns about his future plans for a garage . That
appears to be held on to what is clearly Town property.
R. Marisa : No , actually the future garage would completely comply with current
zoning ordinance and it' s not really at issue here . There is no
garage there now and I would have to apply for a zoning or building
permit to do that.
R . Marcus : I think the thing that' s confusing is on the survey you were just
referring to , there' s another set of dotted lines or dashed lines that
isn 't identified .
R. Marisa : That is the approximate area of the gravel driveway. So the double
dashed line is the underground culvert and the area in front of that
is where the current gravel driveway is . There 's no structure there .
N . LaMotte : Does the culvert extend farther than these dotted lines ?
R . Marisa : No , it does not . You ' ll notice there is a 15 ' Town owned strip
between my property and the neighbor' s property to the left . This
shaded area is what is owned by the town . This is currently where
the driveway is and if you look at this other diagram , so that culvert
is over here and the plan would be to have this be the driveway and
this be the garage ( showing members on diagram ) .
N . LaMotte : This culvert confuses me because , where does that drain to ?
R. Marisa : The ground slopes down this way and that' s to keep the driveway
O from washing out and then it drains down the hill this way on this
Town owned access way . This was actually planned in the
subdivision to be a 15 ' pedestrian access to the park , Eastern
Heights Park . So if people in this subdivision wanted to walk, they
could walk on the Town property to the park .
W. Matyjas : As far as the owning and maintaining , who initially put the stone
gravel driveway in from the edge of the road in?
R. Marisa : From the edge of the road to where the culvert is , that was put in by
the Town and originally all there was , was about this much of it
developed and Jack Bush put in this culvert ; we purchased it and
he installed it where he wanted it to be and then we extended the
driveway up here . The ground drops off quite a bit here so we had
to fill that in order put the driveway in .
W. Matyjas : I guess from a maintenance standpoint , what do you plan on
maintaining as driveway? Is that in any question with the Town as
far as what is in fact driveway or road ?
R. Marisa : What is marked there shaded is owned by the Town and they' re
going to turn the plow around there and what happens with the
snow happens with the snow. I have to dig out to get out of the
driveway .
W. Matyjas : But they specifically state that though , right as one of the concerns?
R . Marisa : There ' s no requirement, for example , that the snow plow turn
around so they might not move any snow in that driveway and I
would have to shovel all the way out .
C . Hanley : Just to complete the record , in the file now is a letter from
November 1 st from the town engineers and surveyors indicating
they have reviewed both the agenda for the meeting and Jack
Bush 's October 18th letter and neither application requires further
engineering review.
N . LaMotte : There' s a statement in Jack' s letter that concerns me . Could I
assume from the tone of this letter that you and Jack have had
some difficulties over this ?
R . Marisa : Not that I ' m aware of. I did ask him to come out and he offered to
come out and we looked at the property before we decided where
to put the driveway cut out and as I said , he put the culvert where
he wanted it . He had a concern that it be on the left side because
as he explained , the snow plow blade is fixed and will always push
the snow to the right and so he didn 't want us to have a driveway
cut out on the right side where the snow would be because he
thought that would be contentious and I thought that was be a
reasonable position . One consideration we were trying to have ,
assuming we can get this garage built , the idea was to have the
door as far left as possible so it' s reasonable as to what might
happen with the snow plow. I really don 't think there 's any
contention .
H . Slater: I would say that' s true .
R. Marisa : When he came , he was clearly concerned because I think he has
had problems like that in the past. I hope that by talking up front
about how we were going to locate it , we probably would minimize
any problems .
H . Slater : Neither Mr. Marisa or Mr. Bush were involved in the initial
engineering location , approval and dedication to this turnaround .
They both came after the fact. I think that Jack' s concern is it was
poorly designed and the Town shouldn 't have probably accepted it
where it is . Being neither here nor there , that happen in 1994 1
believe long before either one had any involvement in this . I think
he conceives this as poor design where it was put .
C . Hanley : We will close that hearing and we will make a decision on the first
one and come back to this one .
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8 : 30 PM : Chair Hanley closed the hearing and the board began their
deliberations for Alicia Alexander.
A. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WOULD BE
PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
40 DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL BE CREATED BY
GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
Both in letters and in person , neighbors expressed support
for the variance . The sign has existed in its current location
for over 3 years . The sign meets all other zoning
regulations . Board members made site visits and the
applicant provided a photograph of the sign and it' s
placement to those who had not . Based on these findings ,
we find not undesirable change .
Motion : S . Berg Second : N . LaMotte
In Favor: 5 Opposed : 0
B. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE BENEFITS SOUGHT BY THE
APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME OTHER METHOD ,
FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE , OTHER THAN AN
AREA VARIANCE , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
Due to the trees , the curve of the road , the necessity of the
visibility by traffic on the road , the current location of the sign
is its only feasible placement.
Motion : S . Berg Second : W . Matyjas
In Favor : 5 Opposed : 0
C . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCE IS
SUBSTANTIAL , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
Given the indeterminate location of the right of way as a
result of the pending law suit, you can 't evaluate whether it' s
substantial or not .
Motion : S . Berg Second : W. Matyjas
In Favor: 5 Opposed : 0
D . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE
AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
DISTRICT , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
See A .
Motion : S . Berg Second : W . Matyjas
In Favor : 5 Opposed : 0
E . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-
CREATED , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The difficulty was self created .
Motion : S . Berg Second : W . Matyjas
In Favor: 5 Opposed : 0
THIS VARIANCE IS AN EXEMPT 1 NON -EXEMPT ACTION UNDER
SEQR SECTION 617 . 5 c — 12
Motion : Stuart Berg — Grant request
Second : Nick LaMotte
VOTE : YES : ( 5 ) Charles Hanley , Stuart Berg , Walter Matyjas , Oers
Kelemen , and Nick LaMotte
NO : ( 0 )
ABSTAINED : (0 )
DECISION . VARIANCE GRANTED WITH A REQUIREMENT THAT THE
ZONING OFFICER TAKE A PRECISE MEASURMENT
FROM THE EXISTING CENTER LINE OF THE PAVEMENT
TO THE NEAREST PORTION OF THE EXISTING SIGN SO
IT CAN BE STIPULATED IN THE ZONING VARIANCE
APPROVAL .
239 1 & m County review exempt.
8 * 50 PM : Chair Hanley and the board began deliberations for Richard
& Tracy Marisa .
A. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WOULD BE
PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
• DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL BE CREATED BY THE
GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE , THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The setback of the structure from the apparent right of way
of Settlement Road is sufficient and the only
nonconformance results from the unique position of the
Towns turnaround on this particular lot . The size and shape
of the lots result in a limited building envelope .
Motion : O . Kelemen Second : N . LaMotte
In Favor: 3 Opposed : 0
Be IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE BENEFITS SOUGHT BY THE
APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME OTHER METHOD ,
FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE , OTHER THAN AN
AREA VARIANCE , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
The house is located on the lot to avoid a substantial drop-
off at the back and left side of the lot. The front door of the
house is elevated above ground level , so some structure is
necessary to allow access to the front door. The design of
the house anticipates a front porch across the left side of the
house ; removing part of the front porch closest to the
turnaround would create an awkward appearance which
would diminish the appearance and value of the property .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
In Favor: 3 Opposed : 0
C . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCE IS
SUBSTANTIAL , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
The setback deficiency may be substantial but the portion of
the improvements within the deficiency is minimal .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
Is In Favor: 3 Opposed : 0
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D. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE
AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
DISTRICT, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
Refer to "A" and additionally there appears to be no
environmental impact resulting from the variance . The
County Planning Department had no objections to the
variance .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
In Favor: 3 Opposed : 0
E . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-
CREATED , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The difficulty was self created .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
In Favor: 3 Opposed : 0
THIS VARIANCE IS AN EXEMPT / NON =EXEMPT ACTION UNDER SEOR
SECTION 617 . 5(c ) — 12
Motion : Nick LaMotte — Grant request
Second : Oers Kelemen
VOTE : YES : ( 3 ) Charles Hanley , Oers Kelemen , and Nick La Motte
NO : (0 )
ABSTAINED : (0 )
DECISION . VARIANCE GRANTED LIMITING THE RELIEF TO THE
PORCH , NOT TO FUTURE STRUCTURES INCLUDING
THE PROPOSED GARAGE .
STATE OF NEW PORK : COUNTY OF TOMP.KINS
TOWN OF DRVDEN
In the matter of the appeal of` CERTIFICATE
ALICIA ALEXANDER
The property located at 136 HUNT HILL ROAD
(Town of Dryden Tax Map Parcel No . 76 . - 1 - 1 .2)
I, C14ARLES HANLEY, Chairperson of the Town of Dryden ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS , do hereby certify pursuant to Rule 6 of the Rules of Procedure
of such Board , that the foregoing are the findings of fact and decision approved b such
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Board on :
NOVEMBER 12 , 2002
Dated : Dryden , New York
Date: 72003
Charles Hanley
® NOTICE OF DECISION
TUESDAY NOVEMBER 12, 2002
A public hearing was held to consider an application submitted by Alicia Alexander of
136 Hunt Hill Road , who were asking for relief from Article 7 Section 1501 & 1502. 5 a
& c of the Town of Dryden Zoning Ordinance .
Said hearing was duly conducted by the Town of Dryden Zoning Board of Appeals can
Tuesday November 12 , 2002 with members present : Chairperson Charles Hanley, Oers
Kelemen, Walter Matyjas, Stuart Berg and Nick LaMotte.
AREA VARIANCE
APPLICANT : AL_EXANDER
A. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WOULD BE
PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL BE CREATED BY
GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
® Both in letters and in person, neighbors expressed support for the
variance. The sign has existed in its current location for over 3
years. The sign meets all other zoning regulations. Board
members made site visits and the applicant provided a photograph
of the sign and it ' s placement to those who had not . Based on
these findings, we find not undesirable change .
Motion : S . Berg Second : N . La Motte
In Favor : 5 Opposed : 0
Be IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE BENEFPI"S SOUGHT BY THE
APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME OTHER METHOD, FEASIBLE
FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE, OTHER THAN AN AREA VARIANCE ,
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
Due to the trees, the curve of the road, the necessity of the
visibility by traffic on the road, the current location of the sign is
its only feasible placement .
Motion : S . Berg Second : W. Matyjas
In Favore, 5 Opposed : 0
C. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCE IS
SUBSTANTIAL , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
Given the indeterminate location of the right of way as a result of
the pending law suit; you can ' t evaluate whether it ' s substantial or
not.
Motion : S . Berg Second : W . Matyjas
In Favor : 5 Opposed : 0
D . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE
AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
DISTRICT, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
See A .
® Motion : S . Berg Second : W . Matyjas
In Favor : 5 Opposed : 0
E. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-
CREATED , THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The difficulty was self created .
Motion : S . Berg Second : W. Matyjas
In Favor: 5 Opposed : 0
THIS VARIANCE IS AN EXEMPT / NON-EXEMPT ACTION UNDER
SEAR SECTION 617 . 5(c) — 12
Motions Stuart Berg — Grant request
Second : Nick LaMotte
VOTE : YES : (5 ) Charles Hanley, Stuart Berg, Walter Matyjas , Oers
Kelemen , and Nick LaMotte
NO : (0)
ABSTAINED : (0)
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DECISION : VARIANCE GRANTED WITH A REQIJIREM >rNT THAT THE
ZONING OFFICER TAKE A PRECISE MEASUR. MENT FROM
THE EXISTCNG CENTER LINE OF THE PAVEMENT TO THE
NEAREST PORTION OF THE EXISTING SIGN SO I "J " CAN BE
STIPULATr: 1) IN 7* 10113 ZONING VARIANCE APPROVAL .
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STATE; OF NEW YORK: COUNTY OF TOMPKINS
TOWN OF DRYDEN
In the matter of the appeal of CERTIFICATE
RICHARD AND TRACY MARISA
The property located at 16 SETTLEMENT ROAD
(Town of Dryden Tax Map Parcel No . 69 .-2-23 . 34)
11 CHAR.LES HANLEY, Chairperson of the Town of Dryden ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS , do hereby certify pursuant to Rule 6 of the Rules of Procedure
gof such Board , that the foregoing are the findings of fact and decision approved by such
Board on :
NOVEMBER 12, 2002
Dated : Dryden , New York
Date : 12003
Charles Hanley
® NOTICE OF DECISION
TUESDAY NOVEMBER 12 , 2002
A public hearing was held to consider an application submitted by Richard and Tracy
Marisa of 16 Settlement Road , who were asking for relief from Article 7 Section 1501 &
1502 . 5 a & c of the Town of Dryden Zoning Ordinance .
Said hearing was duly conducted by the Town of Dryden Zoning Board of Appeals on
Tuesday November 12 , 2002 with members present : Chairperson Charles Hanley, Oers
Kelemcn , Walter Matyjas, Stuart Berg and Nick LaMotte.
AREA VARIANCE
APPLICANT : M RI
A . IN CONSIDERING WHETHER AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WOULD BE
PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR.
DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL BE CREATED BY
GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
40 The setback of the structure from the apparent right of way of
Settlement Road is sufficient and the only nonconformance results
from the unique position of the Towns turnaround on this
particular lot. The size and shape of the lots result in a limited
building envelope.
Motion : O. Kelemen Second : N . La Motte
In Favor : 3 Excused : 2
Be IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE BENEFITS SOUGHT BY THE
APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME OTHER METHOD, FEASIBLE
FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE , OTHER THAN AN AREA VARIANCE,
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The house is located on the lot to avoid a substantial drop-off at the
back and left side of the lot. The front door of the house is
elevated above ground level , so some structure is necessary to
• allow access to the front door. The design of the house anticipates
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a front porch across the left side of the house; removing part of the
® front porch closest to the turnaround would create an awkward
appearance which would diminish the appearance and value of the
property.
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . K.elemen
In Favor: 3 Excused : 2
Co IN CONSIDERING WHETHER THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCE IS
SUBSTANTIAL, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS
FOLLOWS :
The setback deficiency may be substantial but the portion of the
improvements within the deficiency is minimal .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O. Kelemen
In Favor : 3 Excused : 2
D. IN CONSIDER.TNG WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE
AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
DISTRICT, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
Refer to "A " and additionally there appears to be no environmental
impact resulting from the variance. The County Planning
Department had no objections to the variance.
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
In Favor: 3 Excused : 2
E , IN CONSIDERING WHETHER 'THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-
CREATED, THE "ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FINDS AS FOLLOWS :
The difficulty was self created .
Motion : N . LaMotte Second : O . Kelemen
In Favor: 3 Excused : 2
THIS VARIANCE IS AN EXEMPT / NON- EXEMPT' ACTION UNDER SEQR
SECTION f 17, 5(c) — 12
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OMotion : dick LaMotte — Grant request
Second : Oers Kelemcn
vo,rE : YES : (3) Charles Hanley, Oers Kelemen, and Nick La Motte
NO : (0)
EXCUSED : (2) Stuart Berg and Walter Matyjas
DECISION : VARIANCE GRANTED LIMITING OrHE REL1E� F TO THE
PORCH , No'r TO FUTURE STRUCTURES INCLUDING THE
PROPOSED GARAGE .