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TOWN OF DRYDEN
TOWN BOARD MEETWG
February 7, 2001
Board Members Present: Supv Mark Varvayanis, Cl Ronald Berk, Cl Thomas Hatfield,
Cl Deborah Grantham
Absent: C1 Charles Hatfield
Other Elected Officials: Bambi L. Hollenbeck, To%vn Clerk
Jack Bush, Highway Superintendent
Other Town Staff: Mahlon R. Perkins, Town Attorney
Henry Slater, Zoning Officer
David Putnam (TG Millers), Town Engineer
Supv Varvayanis opened the meeting at 7:15 p.m. and explained that the first portion of the
meeting would be devoted to the study recently prepared by George Frantz regarding billboards
(off - premises advertising signs) and public comment regarding the same. George Frantz gave a
presentation regarding his study and findings and options with respect to regulation of
billboards within the Town of Dryden. A copy of the study is available for review at the Town
Clerk's office. His recommendation is to (1) limit billboards to the MA and MAA zones and (2)
allow only a limited number and (3) not permit billboards within 500 feet of a residential zoning
district. He also recommends the billboard structures be no closer than a half mile apart with
150 square feet of advertising space and a height restriction of 1.5 feet. Mr. Frantz also
suggests better control of lighting on the billboard face and screening for the structure from
adjoining structures.
J Reid of Park Outdoor Advertising asked why screening would be required when the
billboards would not be permitted within 500 feet of a residential zone. George Frantz
explained that the vegetative screening would protect residential areas, as well as any other
property that might be right next to it, whether a retail store, restaurant. The idea, is to provide
some buffering between the billboard and the adjoining property owners or land uses.
Mike Lane asked George Frantz to explain the control of the State on the state highways
vs. the control of the locality.
G Frantz - The federal government through the Highway Beautification Act has
delegated the responsibility for controlling billboards along highways to the State. It actually
applies to an area within 660' of the right of way. In communities that have zoning that has
well defined manufacturing and /or commercial districts, the State is pretty clear that it cannot
issue a permit for a sign in an area that is zoned strictly residential. It can only issue permits
for areas that are zoned for commercial development or industrial development. In Dryden
commercial uses are allowed within residential districts by special approval. To me it's a very
gray area.
M Lane - Is the State issuing permits now within 660' of State highways?
G Frantz - Yes. The 1965 Highway beautification Act was essentially designed to make
billboards extinct in this country. The irony is in 1965 there were about 300,000 throughout
the United States. Today there is about 450,000. Along the interstate highways just beyond
that 660' limit you can see the 5 story, several thousand square foot billboards that: are there
because there is no controls for them.
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M Lane - For property owners who lease land to billboards, ho,%v are their assessments •
affected in taxation of them.
G Frantz - There are a couple of parcels along Route 13 that actually have just
billboards on them, several on private property. There is a value placed on the billboard
structure and it is taxed.
M Lane - I support the idea of limiting the number and limiting the size of these. I am
very distressed about the idea of having billboards anywhere near a school and I would hope
that in your recommendations you might consider the affect of billboards close to school
property. For example, the high school is on Route 38 and the Covenant Love school is on
Route 13. We know that advertising companies are doing everything they can to insert
themselves into our schools to influence our children at a very young age. I would hope that
you would try to take that into consideration and to restrict that. I think a substantial
distance from a school property ought to be given consideration. Liquor laws for example don't
allow the sale of liquor within so many feet of a church or school. You might want to cons7der
that. Billboards are known for advertising vices of all kinds. I would think that we would want
to take that into consideration.
G Frantz
- Prohibiting them
from residential areas addresses that because that is where
you find schools
.and churches. We
are limiting them
to manufacturing districts.
M Lane - You can still allow them in a manufacturing district and prohibit them within
so many feet of a church or a school.
G Frantz - With a 500' buffer between billboards and residential zoning districts,
actually I think there might be one space for a billboard structure in the MA Zone on North if
Street just north of the village. There is a residential district in the Village of Dryden across
Route 38. The idea. is not to allow them to put a billboard right smack at the boundary
between the manufacturing zoning district and the residential district because then you can
end up with them in somebody's front yard.
M Lane - I think protecting children is important.
Tony Hall -
How did you come
up with the 500 feet? Did
you check the visibility at the
borders of each of
the places? Could
it be 600 feet? Is that just
arbitrary.
G Frantz - No, 500 feet really isn't arbitrary. Driving up and down the road it was a
point where the billboard isn't that intrusive into the visual environment as you are driving
down the highway. 500 feet is a good buffer. It's almost two football fields. It's far less
intrusive.
J Reid - The State spacing is 300 feet. 500 feet: happens some places, also. Being a
representative of the sign industry, I'd like to say two things. We advertise local businesses.
You'll never see another Marlboro sign on a billboard. They aren't allowed anymore. The only
vice I can think of that we might advertise might be for a beer. Other than that, I don't know
what other vices there might be.
M Lane - Gambling.
G Frantz - The majority of the billboards in the Town of ]Dryden advertise local
businesses, whether they are Tompkins County or Cortland County businesses. One of the
reasons the industry has actually groom is the fact that it does provide local business with
what a lot of them perceive as being a good bargain and a good medium for getting their
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message across. That's another reason why regardless of what you think about them, if you
totally prohibit there you start hurting local business, I'm reflecting a lot of the research that
I've done, but I'm just a neutral party here.
M Lane - How are you u mammending to handle issues regarding the sign,, such as
things added to the signs? Are you goinng to have bi111avaxds that are blowing smoke rims, or
that are electrified and issuing music and voice advertising? Are we going to have giant cows
and huge harmers flying to i ateh attention? Are these covered in your recommendations?
G Frantz - Actually they are not because what I'm really doing is not looking at the
design of the signage. First of all it's ,sort of an exercise in distinguishing between ran- premises
signs that businesses are allowed to have on their property to advertise their businesses and
activity within the businesses, and the off- premises signs which are advertising signs that are
not located on the property where a particular business is active_ As far as design, first of all
the'T'own has provisions in its :sign regulations that cover that.
O Slater - It applies to all sign messages. That lights will be of constant intens-ity-
There should be no moving light , lashing lights. There isn't any discussion of banners or
things of that mature.
Frantz - The key Mike is that you could have up to 160 square feet and haw you
design that surface, as long as it doesn't pose a health or safety hazard, as the ordinance is
writteo, it would be allowed. I didn't get unto sound, You actually raise a good point because
apparently in some areas this type of technology is being applied to billboards. The other thing
is I'm sure the Town of Dryden leas a noise ordinance_
Response - No.
Frantz - Okay, we'll work on that, But again, that is one war to dead with that.
J Reid - The State also has rules and regulations regarding #lashing lights and Ixarmers
and so forth.
G
Frantz - And what
the State looks at first
and foremost before issuing a permit is
highway
safety because that's
really what they are
interested in.
J Reid - I wanted in comment on the vegetation requirements_ We have submitted
applications and the vegetation you have suggested fvz a barrier would almost be prohibitive
because the n is only 1 feet high_ The maximum height is 15 feet. It would only be three
feel: off the ground. If you put a bunch of plants in front of it, they'd be up in front of the sign
once they were three feet high.
Frantz c lamed that the plants would go to the side of the si�rx and parallel to the
road, J Reid stated that plantings that were to be 30 feet long on either side of the sign and
tern feet deep. Gr Frantz stated that would not block the view from the highway, but would
block it from adjoining properties. The idea is to screen the properties adjacent to the highway,
Cl T Hatfield - We should probably ask Mahlon to draft a proposed amendment to the
zoning ng ordinance.
Atty Perlflns - You'll need to hold a pulnlic }nearing once you have a specific proposal.
You need to give me some direction, key parts Lhat you would like to see in some new
regulation.
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The board decided to Limit new billboards to The; MA and NIAA Tones. Any e3dstir
billboards will be allowed to remain. G Frantz commented chat the existing biAboards are
pretty weD screened and are probably in conformance with that aspect. 'there will be no need
for ainortization of the em sting billboards_
Atty Perkins - I would expect to have samethi g for you to set a public hearing on next
week. That would give you the ten days notice for the public hearing and it could be held on
March 7. Realistically that leaves you until February 28 before you enact it. If you want to
have a public hearing on extending the umratorium, you could make that motion tonight_ The
public hearing could be the 14" '.
upv Varvayanis - We should extend the moratorium, We could do b: for an additional
60 days to be sure; we get things done.
RE 3O1,UTION #84 - INTRODUCE LOCAL LAW 1EX'TENDING BILLBOARD MORATORIUM AN
ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS
Supv Varvayanis offered the following resolution and aNke;d for its adoption;
RESOLVED, that the following local law extending the moratorium an billboards for an
additional 60 days and setting the public hearing for the extension for February 14, 2001, al.
7:00 p_rzn_ at the Town Hall, F 5 East Main Street:, Dryden, New York 13053
Section 1. Tide. This local lave %hall be referred to the Third Temporary Moratorium on the
1 stoblishme =nt of Outdoor Advertising Billboards in the Town of Dryden.
Section _ Definition. An "Outdoor Advertising Billboard" means any device, object or
building facade situated on private premises and used for adveri� goods,
services or places other than those directly related to the premises on which said
si is located.
Section _ PurPO r The Town of Dryden Zonuig ordinance was inittially adopted over 3
years ago. The zonmi g ordinance contained certain provisions loosely regulating
Outdoor Advertising Billboards. Since the adoption of the zoning ordinance, the
New York Court of Appeals has ruled that local governments may regulate the
time, place and manner of commercial speech (as apposed to its contents) to
effectuate a significant governmental interest and the regulation of aesthetics
constitutes such an interest. Current town of Dryden zoxung ordinance
regulations der not; pzahibit Outdoor Advertising billboards, and to manly
persons, such s -is are aesthetically ob ectionable in a rural town and if
misplaced., often are egregious examples of ugliness, distraction and
deterioration. The Town through the Planning Board has underi WoEm a review of
the Tomm Comprehensive Plan and has recently conducted a town -wide survey
of residents to solicit their input on recvrnmendatiorns for updated local
ordinances. Pending the receipt of a final draft of the Town Comprehensive
Plan, the Town Board is concumed about the lack of restrictious on the
placement of Outdoor Advertising 1301boards in light of the Court of Appeals
decisions. in order to preserve the environment and to provide for an orderly
discussion of identified and yet imidentified concerns about Outdoor Advertising
Billboards in a lawful, thoughtful and reasoned manner, the Town Board
de,ne„-r,i„es that it must declare= a turd, but shorter, mazatonium ern the
establishment of any Outdoor Adverti na Billboards pending the enacunent of
oppropriatc local legislation further regulating, prohibiting, or requiring the
removal of the so;w - 0
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Since the oriVnal moratorium became effective on Hone 16, 2000, the Town
Board has engaged the services of a consultant who has conducted a thorough
review of the existing conditions That relate to Outdoor AdvertiSi 9 Billboards.
The consultant has inventoried the Outdoor Adver -64ing Billboards in the Town
of Dryden and examined the currezlt Town of Dryden regulations pertaining
thereto. The consultant presented drafts of his comprehensive report to the
Town Board. In addition to the inventory of and analysis of the existing
regulations, the reports contain a thorough discussion of state and federal
rep ulations, other approaches to regulation in New Yoxk State, a discussion of
relevant coturt cases, a study of the effectiveness of Outdoor Advertising
Billboards as a marketixXg tool, and recommendations for Town of Dryden
regulations_ The reports also contain a survey of other municipal regulations, a
survey of Outdoor Advertising Biliboard users. and illustrative examples of
Outdoor Advertising Billboard designs. The report has been accepted by the
Town Board. The TowD Board has disseminated the report to the public,
received comments, and proposed changes to the Town of Dryden regulations,
More tune is needed to enact the changes to the zoning orclanance, including
drafting the changes, conducting a public bearing thereon and publishing the
notice of adoption of the approved changes. Based on all of the foregoing, it is
necessary for an additional, but shorter, moratoriumu_
Section 4_ }' - mbjbidons_ Va person, firm or corporation shall construct or submit any
application for an Outdoor Advertising Billboard to the Code Enforcement Officer
dui ing tide efFecfive period of this moratorium, The Code Enforcement Officer
shall not accept any application for an Outdoor Advertsing Billboard and shall
not issue any permit for the same during the effective dates of this local law.
The Town Board shall not hold any public heating on any podding applications
for Outdoor Advertising billboards during the effective dates of this local law.
The Zoning board of Appeals shall not entertain any appeal of any order,
regwzement, decision, interpretation, or determination made by the Code
Enforcement Officer during the effective dater of this Iocal law if the same
pertains to Outdoor Advertising Billboards,
Section S. Invalidity_ The Invalidity of any provision of this local law shali not effect the
validity of any other provision which can be givext effect without such invalid
provi Edon _
Section 6. Terra. This local law shall be in effect fora period of 60 day€ from its effective
date unless sooner repealed_
_Section 7_ Effective Date. This local law shall take effect on filing with the Secretary of
State as provided by the provisions of the Municipal Haime Rule Law,
2114 Cl T Hatfield
Roll Call Vote Cl Heck Yes
Cl T Hatfield Yes
Sul v Varvaynnis Yes
ClOranYham Yes
Cl Grantham - Mahlon. you'll be developing something with those options?
Atty Perkins - I'll have a draft for you on the 14tH and if that's aZCeptable, you can Set
your hearing for March 7.
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Joyce erbasi asked whether sr,me language needed to be added regarding rebuilding of
existing billboards- ZO Slater explained that if more than 59:/o vas to be repaired it would be
treated as -new construction. John Reid ,stated that in order to repair th,c structure it is
sometimes necessary to remove the face and that is often considered to be 50"x, and that there
may be no way to repair it without removing the face,
COUNTY BRIEP`l NG
M Lame - The County Board has reorgotu2ed. Barbara Mink was agouti elected Chair,
and I will be serving as Vice Chair. We've changed our committee structure. This year I will be
chairi ng the Public Works Committee and I've also been charged to chair a. committee on the
County Charter. Our Charter rewires us to every ten years canside,ar whether there should be
a commission or oth.er way of looking at our Charter and changing it. What has happened this
year that affects the towns and city is the census. The tinning of the census and the tLu ' of
the elections of the Board of Representatives don't coincide very well every twenty yeim5- Some
of us remember what waN happening back in 1980. 'There was a. problem because of the delay
in getting the census information in 1980 that did not allow the Board of Re-pre sentatives to
redistrict to account for the change in population, mostly growth in the, town in time for the
election of the Board of Representatives that year. That meant the Representatives elected is
1981 were serving in districts that were not proportional in the number of people in them.
That was challenged in Court at the time and the County compensated for that by going to a
weighted voting system. That is still an option. it's not something a lot the board members
liked very well. Another option is whether we can get the redistrict in time. If we redistriec il-hKt
means you virUl have to take a look at your districts also to make them coincide. In 1990 part
of the district I sense in now was attached to Gmton because Groton had lost population
relative to some other areas- That could happen again. We think the Lansing area will
probably see a population increase and there is a possibDity that the City of Ithaca may have a
lossmi population. They may only be entitled to four seats instead of five. 'I'he Tow3a of Ithaca
may pick up a seat. The timing is critical. Other alternatives include some kind of a special
referendum to change the terms that we would have to serve for - We could change to a four
year term or a one year terra this year. That's a problem because it means a county -wide
election- Any time we change a term of office or how a person is elected or anything that has to
do with an election there is a mandatory referendum. That's one of the first things the Charter
Committee is tackling, e do have the advantage this year of having the GIS system in place
to help us with looking at various scenarios. In 1990 there were 48 or 59 scenarios of what
possible redistricting could look like in thLe County. I'll keep you posted, but i hope that if I
could do anything with this it would be to seed in your Mind chat we need you guys to be
nimble on this. We may need the City to be nimble. f we could possibly keep our districts we
could keep our elections the orgy they are and not confuse or burden the population and
hopefully save costs,
We renewed the extra 1% sales tax last night as we do every two years. Sales tax
receipts wire up considerably this year, about I -7 million coLmtyv de_ over what they were the
previous year. We are very concerned about our budget this year already- We are wandering
w1lether we need to take a look at slowing down some of our spending so that we don't get into
a situation in the VaU where we might have to have some sort of inordinate tax increase- We're
trying to do some good planning. That's high on our agenda- I am serving on the budget
committee tKis year as well.
The cable negotiations are Continuing, I still miss l)ryd�ri. I wish the 'Town of Dryden
were a part of the consortium. I can't discuss the particular; { }f the negotiations, but I can tell
you that in our request for proposals 9we had a strong request for the Inet, which is the
institutional network which is hopefully a fiber network chat would hook up our various tnvva s
and villages. Ira our proposal we wanted to hook up to each of the rouracipal buildings, We
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wanted a hookup to T 3. The Vet College is very interested in being able to broadcast: &orax
there. They have a wonderful studio and wonderful equipment and would like to be able to
broadcast_ The negotiations are tough and Tom, I have to tell you publicly, You were absolutely
right. The time has taken a lot longer than I would have imagined. It has been very, very
tough_ Of course the Federal Government and the FCC have coTztinually over the past years
chipped away at whatever leverage ynu have, so we don't have rate leverage, for example. We
can require Inet, but the oast of that has to be discussed and negotiated. I would still urge you
to _fain the consortium. l think it would be good for the Tawas of Dryden and it would snake a
lot of sense to have all of the municipalities on board for negotiations.
We're glad to have Jae on board and he carne in with both feet_
Joe Lallev - I've had a busy first month. I got mfr committee assignments and am
serving with Mike on Public Works and I'm also on the Economic and Work Force Development
Committee which has not met yet, and also on G overnr=unt Affiqixs that has riot Met, IPM also
an ComCap with Mike and that's what I want to talk to you about tonight. That prroject is
moving along. We had a presentation by a firm called Nystec which is a not for profit
communications consulting firm. They have reexamined all the options that are out there, all
the technalogies, and in essence came to the same conclusion that the earlier consultarits did,
which was that probably an $00 megahertz trLuik system is going to be the best option for a
public safety communications system, They had one interesting idea in their report. Earlier
studies were shooting for a 95% covev4p of the county and they thought that one way to
achieve that was that you Haight consider doing what they call tactical deployment of mobile
repeaters_ If you have an incident going on in a gorge, rather than trying to build a tower
structure that might cover all of the county all of the time, that you would be able to roll one of
these in fairly quickly and provide communications for an incident and it would be there for as
long as A was needed. The implications pos.4bly are a different arrangement of towers_ They
aLre going to go back and prepare an analysis that shows some diminishing returns. If you go
to 90%6 coverage here's what it means and here's what it means money wise, thin like that. It
was a very well balanced presentation and very understandable foTmat_ I thought they did a
great job.
Probably the most si "cant thing from a process and legal standpoint i,% that the
County is going to use the SEQR process to bring this project forward to the public, even
though counsel says they doxft have to do that_ At this point they've made a positive
declaration and made themselves lead agency and the plan is to involve the Towns as
interested agencies. Thcy are working right now on a sconirIg document. We are looking for
discussion about the impacts of free standing versus 9 9de-touers and what the implications
would be if we design a system where we keep the tower -.eights under 190' or 2 0O'. Then they
don't have to be lit. Some sort of a visual impact_ The other two sections that we plan to add
that should be in there will be a discussion about microwave radiation and whar if any health
hazards there are. f nally a financial section where there will be discussion about what the
impact might be on the local volunteer agencies like fire departmentts and perhaps towns that
might be users of the system and how they plan to deal with that.
There's a draft schedule of upcoming activities of Comcap that will be on the County
website fairly soon, At the February 27th meetir there will be a decision on the riew 911
center and recommendations will be forwarded to the County Board,
I've been involved in a couple of searches. One was for the County Administrator, I e
been trying to make a paint to get to one county department a week.
9 Joyce Gerbasi, Dryden's representative to the EMC, member of the Dryden CPC and
member of Fall Creek Watershed Committee -'1'he position of facilitator is now held by Sharon
Anderson and was held in her position as > }nvironmental Educator with Cooperative Extension
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(funded by Cayuga Lake Watershed), Sharon Anderson has now became the steward of the
Watershed and hos been able to combine her job as facilitator with Fall Creek Watershcd
Committee with her new job. We understand that Cooperative D, xtension is discussing not
replacing her as envirantnencal educator. but spreading her work around the among the other
Cooperative Extension staff. As we see it, given how much they all do at this point,
environmental education is not going to be properly covered and the specialties that the
present staff deal with now are also going to suffer as they try and pick up her work. They
would appreciate it if the Town Board would send a letter to Cooperative Extension reeluesdrig
that the pasition of full time environmental educator be filled and fully funded as it has been,
in order that all of their projects are properly takers care of.
Cl Grantham recused herself from this discussion.
1 Beck and CIT HatReld gwnuld like to ask for clarification from Cooperati ve lJxienMon.
Supv Varvayanis will write to Cooperative Extension. and Joe LaiEey wM also check into the
matter.
Lois Chaplin, represents the Town of Dryden on the NESTS Transit Study Client
Committee - T iS is a follow up to one of the recommendations in the NESTS study. They have
juwt started meeting and will be putting forth some guidance and an RFP for a study to founw
up on the transit re "u)mendati.ons. She would like to lunou• 1how she can best represent the
Town_ They are meeting once a month and the project will take about a year, She will keep
the Town advised and would like input. This is the transb4poxt of the study. They will be
looking at transit options for what was originally in the NESTS area to make any
recommendations they cazti to alleviate or anticipate any possible increases in traffic. Now they
are discus' to what extent to include the City of Ithaca since the City wos not included in
the original NESTS study_ The City needs to be acld,owledged as an origin and destination.
She would be happy to meet with the board to keep them advL ed. Cl Grantham suggeslnd
that she e-zua. l updates to the Town, but. come to the board meeting when they are at decision
making paints.
ITHACA PRODUCE
(continuation of Public Hearing)
Brent Maynard - I'm here to give an update on the steps that Ithaca Produce is taking
and talk about some of the other steps that e are prepared to tike in order to meet the
conditions that the board has set in our application for ;� ch,arige in our special hermit. Since
we were last here we had our consultants conduct a sound study aiialyairkg the levels and
duration of noise produced by Route 13 traffic, -by Ithaca Produce, and the surrounding areas,
The study concludexd that our operations do have a limited impact on residential noise levels in
the early inorning hours, but that does not appear excessive &en the close pTuximity of the
residences to the highway. There were no excursions of sound beyond 70 dba from our
operations_ Since the last time we were here we've also ins&ralled an eigbt foot high, seventy -five:
foot long fence along the west aide. of our property scparat our property from the Porter
property as required. We're also been working hard to adjust our night time delivery schedules
from our purveyors. Wherever possible we've attempted to move #bra majority of our deliveries
to khe hours of 6:00 a.m. to 3:00 p_m. We are continuittg to work with all our suppliers and
carriers to inform them of our new policies and wb at's happerkbag with the company. For
example, we've been able to cut our night time deliveries from Byrne Dairy in half, thus
eliminatmg two hours of ]are niglit unloading time (unloading all the hulk off their truer )aato
our car lens) by dropping a trailer. 13yrne Dairy now comes to us every other day. We've
adjusted our order schedules to do so and they coine to our faoility every other day. '1'he r drop
a trailer :and are in and out in about ten minutes-
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We've continued to reconfigure our truck parking to the east side of our building and
away from Route 13. And we are also continuing to work in good faith with our neighbors to
overcome the differences that we have.
We are prepared to plant trees for sound protection along the new fence to the west of
our property. That's something we had decided previously. One thing that came up the last
time we were here, the Cox's have stated the effectiveness of the pines between their property
and the Mix property in eliminating noise. We are certainly willing to plant trees on our
property or on the Cox property as a natural sight and sound barrier. We are continuing to
work with our suppliers on arranging our delivery schedules. This includes seeking out new
suppliers to replace those that cannot adjust their routing to accommodate our new
restrictions. For example, our mushroom trailer which comes to us three times a week in the
evening, they are unable to adjust their delivery schedule. We can either do business with
them as is or not at all. I've been working very hard to find a new supplier in that regard and I
think I've found one, which would include us ba.ckhauling product from another location in the
State, thus eliminating that incoming trailer three times a week.
That's just one example. We deal with many, many different companies and carriers
and our order schedule is important. We are certainly open to any reasonable alternatives that
you have with regard to our ability to serve our customers. It's a very important point. We are
always willing to maintain an open dialogue with our neighbors to address any ongoing issues
and any issues that may come up in the future.
Monica Horton - I live with my mother Sun Ho Porter right next to Ithaca. Produce. I
just finished my associates degree and am working to finish my bachelors. I'm working full
time for my parents in Ithaca and attending school full time in Syracuse. The problem is that
when I come home and go to sleep, I get woken up every single night by these trucks. For
example, Sunday I Gwent to sleep and by this time I'm exhausted, I've repeatedly talked to Dick
and Rich both about this problem. They haven't done anything except to put a fence up, which
my mother has been asking for for twelve years, and that only stops the lights of the big tractor
lights. It doesn't do anything at all for noise. I woke up Sunday night at 1:30 and again at
3:30 when I had to work the next day at 2:00. Being that I'm sick, I need my rest. I work a lot
of hours and go to school. I have a lot of homework to do. I was really agitated by the fact that I
have to get up out of bed in the middle of the night, get dressed, walk over to Ithaca Produce,
"please turn these trucks off so I can get back to sleep ". That's all I ask. I've gone to Dick and
Rich in tears asking them to do this for me. They say "yes, I agree with you, I'm sorry" but they
have yet to do anything but put that fence up. It took the Town Board to get the fence up in
the first place. Why should .I have to get up out: of my sleep to walk over there and tell them
not just once a night, we're talking two or three times a. night, to shut the trucks off so I can go
to sleep. I have to go to work the next day, and drive to Syracuse, and go to school, and come
home and work some more, and come home and do some homework.
Then I found out my Mom and Mr. Cox went to the Town Board. What: are they doing
about it.? I found out some more information. The special permit that they were given did not
allow any operation to happen after 8:00 p.m. They do it anyway. There are trucks running all
night long. We wouldn't be here right now if they obeyed their special permit.
We got a letter on November 2, 2000 and it gives a copy of their special permit and it
also says "if you find additional hours of operation are necessary you must obtain Town Board
approval prior to any actual expansion of business hours ". Did they get your approval first,
before they operated all night long? I didn't hear about it. It really bothers me that I can't
sleep at night. In the local laws that you have, Section 1.303 lists specific requirements for
your special permit. It says specifically in number 2, in reaching a determination the Town
Board shall consider the following, and in section C it says "whether the use would be more
objectionable or depreciating to adjacent or nearby properties by reason of traffic, noise,
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v'hration, dust, fumes, smoke, odor, fire, hazard. glare, flashing lights or disposal of u*aste or
sewage,', Mast of those thingq listed is what is waking us up in the middle of the night, I 've
gone over there in. ray pajamas, sometimes I'm so ,sick. I've been sick for two v4•eeks now- It
takes so much energy for me to get up. I told lira that I'm going to keep the phone -next to me
from now on when I go to sleep so that I can just simply call. When I called Sunday night there
was no anau*er. It takes me a half houfto go back to sleets_ Then at 3;30 another truck carne
M and woke ine up. I don't understand why this is happening_ It's not fair 110 me at all. In
section (i it said "whether health, safety and general welfare of the cninmunity may be
adversely acted ". I'm sick right now. When you go home you go home to rest, When f go
home 1 can't rest at night because there are trucks running all night long. It wakes me up.
There are vibrations throughout our house_ I don't understand the point of changJng their
special permit when they don't abide by their special permit in the first place, They're not
supposed to be operating past 8:00 right now. Who is there to enforce these ruler and laws.
Rich told me himself that' because they don't abide by the special permit, they could be
fined $1.04 a day. Wby aren't they being fined $100 a day then? Who is here to enforce these
laws? They aren't suppo.& ed to operate past 8:00 and if they do, it says in a letter from you,
that they have 110 have approval of the Board prior to changing hours,
My mother gets up at $;0.0 in the morning to open our store in Ithaca and works 60
flours a week, Our ]Tome is our place of rest, and when we can't rest, that's kind of ridiculous,
We aren't talking about normal business hours, or da.nner time, we are taA:; g about >n the
middle of the night wlrien people are trying to sleep. The trucks carne vvitlun 15 feet of m
bedroom window. }Aefore the fence went up, in the middle of the night it was the flashing and
brig yellow lights, the beeping, the noise everything. At least the fence blocks the light, But it
doesn't do anything for the noise.
I have talked a few times to Dick's son Rich and he says he agrees with me, but they
need to run the "business. i understand that but' there is no reason that you have to accept
loads that late at night all the time_ There is sometlniug called loading time, an baubinesses
will only accept your load at certain times, There are ways that they can work around Trot
having trucks run all night long, It is a8ecdM.our lives. I've gane to Rich multiple times in the
middle of the night_ There is nothing he says to deny anything I've said. He agrees with me
100 %, but they haven't done anything until last week, Last week I'd had enough- I went over
there in the middle of the night and 1 said "If you don't do something about this now by -next'
week I urill can the police every single night until something happens, and I will Ynake sure you
are fined $X00 everytime I'm woken up because I aril fed up with it ". I'm not a grumpy old man
trying to complain to the Town Board. I'm a hard working, trying to be educated student. I'm
only 21 gears old_ I'm a pretty rowdy person myself and I go out and stay tip pretty "ate at
night, but when I come home 1 expect to rest. 'fiat is my place of rest,
Ms Horton stated she had talked to Dick ut%a and said if he was living next door
things would be changed tomorrow_ He said she was right. She understands they have a
business to run, aazd her family does too. She stated they chose a bad area, an area that has
resid.enees surr❑unding it. They need to consider who they are living bY. and she said they
listen, but are not' considerate, Shrubs ; hould have already berm planted because that blocks
the noise a little mare_ Ms Horgan stated the bray that tractor trailers drop �licir loads off ha is
the one closest to h.er house, Using the bay furthest from the house would help. The
mushroom truck comes Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday anywhere from ten €t night to two in
the mornbng. The Byrne Dairy truck comnes Sunday, Monday, J'uesd y. and 'Thursday anyw1aiere
from 9 to 11 at night. They could tell Byrne Dairy when they want. their loads to come ir1.
utias told her They had cut their loads ign half by having Byrne drop the trailer off. But the
trucks are still. running through at night and she states it doesn't matter if it is for ten minutes
or half an hour, it still happen%, and it is happening illegally. They aren't supposed to nun in
the middle of the ni&t, and they are doing it and they don't care_
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Horton - Ail these things can be changed in a positive way that won't affect their
business- Why in their new special permit are the hours of rest from 5 at night to 9 at night?
,Dick said the reason why is their employees don't like to work during dinner tinge. They would
rather come in at 9 o'clock and work til 4 o'clock than work five to two. Their employees can
have dinner with their families and I have to not sleep at might. It's not fair to me that a
business next door is keeping me up all night- They haven !t done,anythLng until I said I was
going to call the caps to do something about it. Now all of a sudden they are going to have
their lawyers draw up a contract. They told me to tell them what I need, My suggestion was to
put a gate up at the end of their driveway so that they can't accept loads and tractor tTailers
won't come on the property anyway and sit ibere all night long. Why can't you accept your
loads during the day? They weren't even open in the middle of the night when they first
opened. Roes that mean they couldn't get loads in and they couldn't find people to give them
products I�ia all of a sudden their bus-ir,ess needs to operate in the middle of the night- Now
they have to take these loads at night because there is no other time they'll bring them. if that
is true, I would like a statement from every company that delivers to Ithaca Produce stating
thal' fact. I'm just so frustrated. They haven't listened to you so fix, They have not obeyed
your special permit- Zf they do not obey your specie,] permit now, what makes you rkiink they
will obey �,. new special permit. They are supposed to be maldng up a statement for us to sign,
but who's to say they're going to obey that? Then whal' am I supposed to do- The Town Board
so far hasn't enforced any of these yaws to help us sleep at might- What am I supposed to do?
Spend roy money to hire a lawyer and say these people broke our contract? It's a civil contract.
It will go to small claims court. What �m I supposed to do to ger, a good night's sleep?
There are simple steps that can be taken to change this. All they need to do is have no
trucks n] n £ram IO;OQ at might until 4:0 in the morn. That's all we're osidng. Yes, we
live on Route 13, Yes, there is traffic ors the road end things of that nature, but they are not
idling next to my window for sometimes a. half an hour, It's affecting my health and it's
aFfecting my life- We are asking that trucks do not run from 10:00 at night until 4:00 in the
morning. The reason T say 4;00 in the mooing is because Dick and Rich have bold me that
they have a lot of shipments going nut of state and that's the time they rived to get their trucks
ready to leave. That's understandable. I'll compromise. At least I've got a few hours of sleep.
I'm asking you, please, as a neighbor of business that obviously has expanded beyond
what they planned to, please don't let them run their trucks at night. Rich says they have
some plans to change the refrigeration on their trucks. I don't quite tiuznderst€Mnd it, but it's not
being done now. They say it takes thirty clays to make changes. I bet if 1 took one day off and
went over there, I bet, I could get it stone in one- You need to call the company and ask them
riot to come at certain times- These are easy steps to be taken to let us have a decent night's
sleep. I don't think that's too much to risk, It takes -me half an #-lour to get back to sleep again-
upv Varvayanis - I don't mean to cut you off, but you're starting to get a little
repetitive.
Horton - You know what? This i
with it, s a very repetitive thing in my life and I'm fed up
Supv Varvayariis - I understand that-
M Horton - it's every sLmoe night- Sometimew I stay up in Syracuse so I can get a good
night's sleep, Right now £'m not evert sleeping in my own bedroom. I'm sleeping in a sewing
ro(}m with five sewing marhines and a mattress on the floor, because it's further away from
Ithaca Produce. I can't even sleep in my own bedroom at night, ']"taus i-s enoh. They're not
even obeying the law as of right now - What does your special permit mean when they don't
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abide by it? Whose supposed to enforce these laws? I understand they have a btisme.ss to
run, but this is getting out of hared- 0
Robert fox - I wrote a note here- :verylrnd's had a short biography tonight. I'm 69
years old and I'm a tough old SOB. What I'd like to do is postpone &Es until May Before you
give a. FmA decision- That's where our windows are open. I can hear the trues through the
windows now. At 12930 every mon -ung there's a slam - bang. Maybe you guys have an
alummu�oo. thing that your forklift is going up on? That makes quite a.lot of x�oi a when it's
dropped at 12:30 in the morning- All I'd like to do is have you not grant this thing now- I've
talked to some other people, and like Monica says, we're tired of R. .I know Dick's gat a
business to run and all 1 hat and C don't want to hamper that, but on the othez hand he said
he's going to try- Udell, let's give him a chance to try. In all fixness to Mr. Cutia and b
families affected by it, give hiva a, chm-Ite to alleviate some of the noise like he promised to do.
But now isn't the time, Our wi7idows are closed. Cal Collins who lives way up on spring Run
Road can hear the beepers on the trucks in the summer time. So why not make the decision
when the weather is right. Not now, when evea3thit 's in his favor- But he sags he's going to
try, and I'm willing to give him a chance to try, It would be unfair to make a decision now. I'll
leave it up to you, bnt I'm going to be madder than hell if you do. I've got all your n�lnae9 for
the next voting,
Supv Varvayauis - Mahlon, i% it true that they can be caned $100 a day?
Mahlon - If convicted of violating the ,special pemit- You could also revoke the special
permit. Yes, they can be prosecuted.
Poi Horton - We want to work with them, We'11 compromise, They can run their trucks
after 4:00 a.m. 0
Cl Grantham - Yo u've given a couple of examples of how you've reduced the truck traffic
at night- Can you tell me how %uccessful you've beert at doing that? liolar much have you
reduced it by changing delivery patterns?
B Maynard - We've been working on this diligently since the last meeting. In fact this
has been hanging over our head like a cloud- We're very concerned. We've been working very
hard with our suppliers- This is a business of fresh produce- It's a cycle of products that c:ume
in and out We have done eveq thing we can tr} push our deliveries from California to the
daytime hours. We've done this as best we can and are continuing to improve on it and get
them used
to the new cycle of not accepting deliveries whenever they arrive which is what wkr
raid in the past- 'There have been times when we've had to buy product elm where because tine
truck would come at an inopportune time. We would like to retain the ability to accept a trur.'k
in an emergency situation. We feel we need to have the ability to do that on occasion. We do
not. intend to abuse that: in any way, shape or form- e think that a can reduce when we are
all said and done by at least 90°fo. Off the top of my head as far as reduction so far --
M Horton - Byrne Dairy is dropping off a trailer instead of unlo ading it there, Thy
trucks are still coming on the land, still dropping the trailer off, still „u,,,,; g and leaving in the
nidddle of the night, 'c`hat's the only difference l;o me.
13 Maynard - We feel we've made much more..,
M }lorton - We3] r'd like to see that on paper
Cl Grantham - Can you estimate what the current reduction of loads that you take at
night is? 0
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B
Maynard - Since our last meeting,
30 %.
Cl
Grantham - How
many trips does
that represent?
R Cutia - I'm the one who works at night. I could document, or they could document
what's coming or going. Every time they hear a truck vibration they could write it down. Then
maybe we could see if there's a reduction.
Cl Grantham - But can't you tell me how many deliveries you get? You don't know how
many deliveries you get in a night and how much you've reduced that by changing patterns?
M Horton - They have no control of their business and when there is going to be a
truck.
Cl Grantham - Please,
let me ask
these
questions. You say that you are estimating a
current reduction of 30%, but
how many
trips
does that represent?
R Cutia - As far as big tractor trailers, it's probably down from 15 to 12 a week. Now
that we have made arrangements to not receive California trucks at night, and to be honest
with you at great expense to the company because we buy our products direct from California.
If we can't use that. product in our business that day, we need to buy it somewhere else. Say
for example the trucker calls and says I'm going to hit your building about midnight. I have to
say to him okay, you need to go park your truck until 4:00, we can't: unload until 4:00, we have
to fill in, which means that we have to send a truck to Pennsylvania or Rochester or Buffalo to
buy the product we need to put on our trucks at an extremely higher price than we would pay
by buying it direct. We're buying it second hand, plus the expense of sending the equipment
and a man somewhere to buy the product we need to put on our trucks that night. They say
that they know what we do, and they say that they could fix it in one day, but they have no
idea. what we do. And they have no idea what we've done. We know what we've done as far as
noise. 1 know because I'm there. I know it, and we are trying to change it. We are sensitive to
their feelings and we are trying to change things. We put the fence up. We say we are going to
plant trees. We are trying to cut down the number of trucks in and out. What else can we do?
If we shut down our night time shipping, we are out of business. Flat out out of business. We
have contracts signed with companies, and if we default in those contracts 25 people at Ithaca
Produce are going to be looking for work. And a lifetime of work that he put into it. I didn't
want to get into this, but 1 sleep in the day. You sleep at night, or try to sleep at night.
Everytime the snowplow drives by my house, should I call the Town Board and tell them not to
come up? When the garbage truck goes by? I'm using this as an example.
R Cox - I don't know about this interstate coin
anything else. All I know is trucks are coming in late
theirs, and it's not very pleasant. It sounds like since
has really gotten a hell of a lot noisier. And if my wife
We aren't here to put anyone out of business, we're tr
the citizens don't count, so do what you have to do.
coerce from California or Pennsylvania or
right across from my house and next to
the 62 days were granted, the business
was here she'd tell you the same thing,
ring to tell you how it is, and apparently
S Porter - You say you cannot ask them to come at different times. You are the one
paying the bill, you are the customer. You get there when the customer wants you to come,
when and what time. Don't tell me. I know how to run it. I've been there myself. Would you
ever say to your customer, oh I can't get there when you want me to?
B Maynard - We give them a window of when we'll be there.
® S Porter - Is that how that works? You are the buyers. You are paying them.
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1 0 rantham - You said you are trying to restrict deliveries to the lours of 6:00 a, M. to
3:00 p.m. so my question is how many deliveries do you now get between 3:00 p.m. and 6:00
a.zn? 40
I Cuba - Appraximafely eight per ee3c. CF there i tt uck com;ng iri F ca i hear it. I run
out and I tell the guy to turn the truck off.
M Horton - Sunday a truck came in at 1;30 and 3 -40.
R Cutia - And you asked th.e roushrrro1'n guy to please turn his truck off.,.
M Horton - And the truck ran For almost half an hour..,
R Cutia -raid you asked 13im hour many tunes he had delivered hare, and he said "I'm
sorry, ma'am, this i4 my fixst time here. I didn't know I was supposed to turn the truck off."
Cl Grantham - So you are contluuing to try to work with people delivering to you to
change the time when they deliver. ,
R Cuba - `('hat's Correct,
Cl Grantham - 1z7.cluding the mushroom truck and Byrne Dairy and so on_ You gave us
a lot of information about noise ordinances and stuff that looks very interesting, but have you
looked into anything like the blankets or mufflers that you mentioned in December and the
costs for that?
B Maynard - Yes we have,
Grantham - is that sort of thing reawmable?
P Maynard - As far as the blankets are concerned, our consultant had never dome that
before. That would be a new third*, for them. They said they researched it a little bit and what
they would have to do is build a cone - shaped frame five or six feet high to place over the refer
units on the trucks. Then you have to attach somehow the sound absorption blanket around
that,
R Cuiia - It takes two men to do it. We'd probably actually need a facility to do it,
Those were like $3,000 each.
B Maynard - And that was a rough cost off the tap of their head,
R Cutia , And then you'd have to remove them before the truck let( the premises, and
stare them somewhere.
8 Maynard - As far as the refer unit issue, there's a few things they could change, air
filters, mufflers, clean the inside of therefor Lmi s and stick ia-isulat[an around there, change a
condensor fan, at approximately $2,000 a truck estimated, For only a three decibel drop in
sound.
Cl Grantham - These axe your trucks?
I2 C-utia - Correct_
Cl Beck - They'd have no control over rMybody ej!?e's trucks. They could request, but
that's it. 0
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M Horton - I have a question. Why couldn't you at 9:30 at night put your Ithaca
Produce trucks up to the dock, because you load them overnight, load the four trucks up and
then take the next loads for the next mornings trucks, put them on your loading dock, wait for
four o'clock in the morning, move those four trucks, put four more in and load them up real
quick, ready to go? Why is it necessary to have truck movement in the middle of the night?
Why couldn't you do it that way?
B Maynard - These are issues that we are continuing to work on. In fact we've had
many conversations in the last week and we are trying to change the way we do load our trucks
to limit the amount of our own personal trucks' movement in our yard in the middle of the
night.
R Cutia - I'd like to make a statement on that. When we spoke Sunday, Monica had
mentioned to me that it was the "big trucks" that were really bothering here, like the
mushroom truck and the Byrne Dairy trucks. When she called the other night she said would
you please turn the truck off and I said it's one of our trucks and it's just backing in and well
shut the truck off quickly, which led me to the idea that it wasn't just the big trucks, that it
was our trucks too. She'd said your little trucks don't bother me.
M Horton - I thought so, but I don't have the energy to get up every time and go look
outside. I was surprised that it was their truck.
Cl Grantham -®Nell
it seems
like there
are some things in your own processes that you
can change as well, is
what
you are
saying.
® R Cutia - After the incident on Monday night, I spoke with the fellas on the night crew
and we tried to work out a way that if we started an hour or two earlier, and like Monica said,
we could get our Rochester and Buffalo and Jamestown trucks loaded and moved before ten
o'clock at night. Then back the other three trucks in, because we have one bay with the Byrne
Dairy trailer, load those three trucks and not start them until they get ready to leave in the
morning. Some of them leave at 2:00 am. Now that's cool, we can stage in the building.
When it warms up we would have to refrigerate our staging area, but we could stage our last
four trucks inside the building, and at 4:00 pull the other trucks, back the four in and then
load what we have staged and checked already. That would limit our truck movement of our
own personal equipment from like 10:00 to 3:00. Making provisions to cool the larger part of
our warehouse would be a substantial investment on Ithaca Produce's part. to cool that
warehouse down. Nov we can open the doors and keep it 32 degrees in there, but when it
warms up in a couple of months, then we'd have to have a partition and walls put up and we'd
have to cool it down. To be honest, I wrote this today. I talked to my Dad about it and he said
that he would be willing to make the investment of trying to cool off a part of the warehouse so
we can stage more loads, and then load them all at once at 4:00 am.
In a normal days business, I know everybody works hard, but in a normal 16 -18 hour
day we have to find time to sit down and go through all these other problems while we're trying
to do all of our other stuff too. I don't want people to think that we are not doing this because
we're ,just not doing anything. I want them to know that we are trying to solve the problem.
M Horton wondered why nothing was done when her mother and Mr. Cox first:
complained and why it took ten months and Town Board and her complaining to get anything
done.
Cl Grantham - Mahlon, do we have to take any action?
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Atty Perkins - I didn't know we were going to do this tonight, so I haven't looked at the
file. At the last meeting we continued the public hearing? If this is the conclusion of the public
hearing then you have time to think about it. 40
Cl Grantham - The minutes say table any decision with respect to the application of
Ithaca Produce to modify their existing special permit until the Board receives information from
Ithaca Produce's consultant and from the Town Engineer on noise abatement so that a target
can be developed for noise mitigation. We did have a hard time figuring out what to do.
Atty Perkins - I remember there was a discussion about adjourning the public hearing
until we received this.
Supv Varvayanis - I don't: want to argue whether they've been taking steps for ten
months or one day or whatever, they are taking steps at this point, and we also obviously grant
to continue pressuring them to continue working. In fact we were told by one citizen he'd be
mad if we did anything today. So what options have we got?
Atty Perkins - At some point you've got to make a decision on the application for a
special permit and close the public hearing. I don't know if you've done that or not. And you've
got to make a decision. I thought the intention in December was to adjourn the public hearing
until w-e had this information and the board would reconsider it, which I assume is what we've
done tonight.
B Maynard - I do have the minutes from the last meeting and it was stated by Atty
Perkins "you're already in your public hearing. You've got 62 days to make a decision. You
could table it I suppose."
C1 Grantham - I think the information we've gotten tonight makes it clear there are
some reasonable ways to reduce the truck traffic and the noise at. night without jeopardizing
the business. l think that we ought to encourage that action and press for coming as close to
the current special permit hours as possible. Then be willing to consider a change to that
special permit. It's not as if there's no way they can make these changes and stay in business.
They're telling us they are making changes and finding other ways to make changes.
Cl Beck - What action has to be taken at this point?
Supv Varvayanis - We could reject their request or do what we just did and not enforce
it and hopefully they come up with more of a plan.
Atty Perkins - If you give them some approval or modify their conditions in some
manner, they can always come back and ask for a modification of that. You set conditions now
and they find they can't live with them or they can't meet them or whatever, it's very difficult to
go backwards though because they're the ones that have to come to you. Certainly at the time
they entered into these agreements and started growing the business they were aware that they
operated under a special permit and that there were hours of operation. It's going to be
difficult for them to plead hardship. They were aware of what they were doing and are now
looking for relief.
Cl Grantham - I guess what I'm saying is that there is room for Ithaca. Produce to make
changes and at least come much closer to compliance with their current special permit and I'd
like to see that done first.
Cl
Beck - I think that's what
they're working toward.
C1
T Hatfield - What were the
hours
they are asking for? is
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ZO Slater - 9:00 p.m. of one day to 5:00 p.m. the next day.
Cl Beck - I don't think we should grant that at this point.
C1 Grantham - I don't either.
Cl'r Hatfield - I'd be inclined to look at modifying the hours until the first of June or
something. I'm looking at something like 3:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. That's gives the neighbors
some quiet time and gives you time to work out some changes internally.
Cl Beck - You say you get eight deliveries a week during the night?
R Cutia - That's correct.
Cl Beck - It sounds like eight a night from the complaints we are hearing.
R Cutia - The thing that Nve worked out earlier today is feasible I think, right now.
Cl T Hatfield - Mahlon is suggesting that we need to make a decision. What you asked
for in your original application, I don't think anyone here has an appetite for. I guess we're
looking to modify that in some way that will provide a window of quiet in a reasonable time
frame for the residents.
D Cutia - Do you feel that adjusting the trucks would provide that for them?
® R Cutia - A window of quiet meaning not running equipment in the yard. We can work
in the building.
Cl T Hatfield - Work in the building, but the yard is quiet.
D Cutia - We could do that.
Cl T Hatfield - Stop the trucks, stop the traffic.
CI Beck - It would be a good start.
Cl Beck - What are you going to do about these California trucks? It hasn't been solved
at this point?
B
Cl T
Hatfield -
Then we can come back in June
and see how it's working.
That original
permit
was
based
on
a different
it?
business.
big trouble.
Cl Beck - What are you going to do about these California trucks? It hasn't been solved
at this point?
B
Maynard -
I'm
not sure. What: happens if the
guy says he's going to be there
Saturday
night and
hits
a snow storm in Illinois and we've got no product because %ve haven't
had time
to react to
it?
If we have no product, we're in
big trouble.
R Cutia - If it's decreased from the eight that we do in the middle of the night now, to
one once in a while, the odd ball out, and if we stop moving our trucks by starting a little
earlier and staging stuff on the interior. I know that I can control our trucks from 10:00 to
3:00 without moving them. I think we can by starting earlier.
Cl T Hatfield - If you can do that, that's what I find personally to be a big step forward.
® D Cutia - Monica, would that be all right with you?
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M Horton - Of course, that's our whole point of being here. That's all we're asking.
R Cutia - We have an issue with the refer unit noise because we can't start the trucks
and move them away from the docks to put them on the other side of the building, So after
those three trucks that are in the yard at the docks are loaded the switches are going to have to
go on for the refer units which will be running by the house because usually we start them up
and drive them around the other side of the building.
Cl T Hatfield - What time do you do that?
R Cutia - Between 12:00 and 1:00.
Cl T Hatfield - That's a problem.
R Cutia - Maybe we can try it without turning the refer unit on right away. The stuff we
put in there is cold. If we shut the door, maybe we can monitor the temperature. Maybe it
wouldn't go up ten degrees in a few hours.
Cl Grantham - How many of your own trucks have to go out at three in the morning?
R Cutia - Rochester, Buffalo and Jamestown leave at 3:00.
Cl Grantham - And then when do your next trucks leave?
R Cutia - 5:00 and then 6:00.
Cl Grantham - So when are you proposing to finish loading the three that have to leave
at three in the morning?
R Cutia - 1 am proposing to finish loading them by 10:00 and pulling them out and
backing the other three in.
Cl Grantham - And those three that are backed in sit there until...
R Cutia - They'll sit there until 3:00 when the drivers come or 4:00 when the drivers
come to leave with them.
Cl Grantham
- Then the three which
you finish
loading at
10:00,
is there not another
place anywhere that
you could take them so
that their
refer units
could
run?
R Cutia - We can pull those around the side of the budding.
Supv Varvayanis - Then the ones that are parked, cant you leave those unloaded.
R Cutia - We can load those three. We can stage about four trucks now, and we can
stage and load those and leave them at the dock. The area will be clear and we can stage our
next four trucks. At 4:00 those trucks pull out, and we can back the other ones in and in a
hurry try to load the rest of it.
Cl T Hatfield - If you start down that road at least you've got a five hour window that's
relatively quiet.
D Cutia. - 10:00 to 3:00.
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Cl Grantham - My question still is, not just take the trucks around to the other side of
the building, can you take off the property to someplace?
R Cutia - We explored that possibility after the last meeting. Logistically it would be,
our drivers would have to drive their cars to where the trucks are parked. First of all myself
and someone else would have to drive a truck from our property. Two of us would have to
leave and go and drop the truck somewhere and then come back and then our drivers would
have to drive to this particular spot, get in their truck, leave their vehicle there all day. I think
that it would at least double the traffic in and out of the building, at a minimum. Instead of
doing 50 trips a day, it would be 100 trips in and out: of the driveway a day.
Cl Grantham - I'm only
talking
about those
three. At 10:00 you drive them off the lot
and they don't ever have
to come back
on and turn
on 3:00 in the morning.
Cl T Hatfield - They're going around to the side and apparently when they're at the side
they're not a problem.
D Cutia - There's twelve acres of land up back.
R Cutia - Here's another issue. There's probably six or seven thousand dollars worth of
product on the truck.
C1 Grantham - Then can they be
driven to Rochester or Buffalo that: night? heave the
site at 10:00, since your guys
right now
are working all night
anyway?
R Cutia - We'd have a problem with customers. A lot of our stops are, actually 41 of our
new stops that we'll be starting in a month, are Friendly's that don't open until 6:00 a.m. The
other stops that this whole thing started with in August, that we have a lot more flexibility
what: time you get in, a lot of those places are manufacturing facilities and are open early.
That's why we kind of married these two programs that we've been working on for a year and
half together.
Atty Perkins - I think Deb's point is why can't the truck leave the facility, and if your
guy has to take three hours nap someplace on the thruway or in someone else's parking lot
until he can deliver, that's the cost of doing business for you.
Cl Grantham - It's only for the three trucks so that there's the 10:00 to 4:00 am.
window. If you can stage your other trucks and don't have to start. loading until 5:00 or 6:00,
that's really a seven hour window. What I'm saying is just find a way to take those three
trucks off the site once they're loaded at 10:00 p.m.
D Cutia - Is that so they won't be leaving so early in the morning from our facility? Is
that what you are getting at?
C1 Beck - Plus the refers won't be running.
Atty Perkins - It's at least another hour, plus no refers.
Cl Grantham - Then you have a whole six hour span with no trucks coming in or out.
D Cutia - We can do something like that. We can maybe take them to Caskey's. It's a
possibility. Maybe the guy who sells the trailer homes. We can work on something.
0 Cl T Hatfield - So we can modify it 10:00 to 4:00 and if it doesn't work revisit it.
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Cl Beck - Why don't we ,set it 10:00 to 4:00 and do your best effort. •
Cl Grantham - And how do we set conditions, Mahlon, so that they need to come back
to us, and we need to review how its worked, and we. need to consider things like vegetation
and those sort of mitigating factors.
Atty Perkins - As I understand it, what you are proposing is to approve a modification of
the permit to allow there to operate until 10:00 p.m. and then there will be no movement of
vehicles other than passenger cars arriving or something like that, between 10:00 p.m. and
4:00 a.m., and no refer units operating on the premises. Are we talking about some kind of
screening or plan or something like that?
CI T Hatfield - We talked about that last time and fence and screening was in the
original permit, which we are going to continue.
C1 Grantham - Their consultants talked about other things.
Atty Perkins - Then make them come back with that plan and get approval by a certain
date or else it is void.
R Cutia
- What
if the temperature
rises
too much in
the trucks that we load at midnight
that are parked
could do to that
at the
dock
if you really wanted
that
we can't:
move
and we have
to turn the refer
units on?
D Cutia - Is there any way that we can take them off premises? It's going to get %varm.
Atty Perkins - Can't: you run the refer units til 10:00 to cool them down before you
start?
D Cutia - We could do that. We're talking about trucks that wouldn't be loaded yet. •
Atty Perkins - I understand.
C1 Grantham - I thought: that you were saying that you load the three and the rest of it
is staged inside the building until 4:00.
Supv Varvayanis - They'll load another three trucks.
Cl Beck - They get loaded and then they're ready for the next group as soon as they
move out.
Atty Perkins -'What they're worried about is the trucks that they are in the process of
loading.
Cl Beck - 50 or 60 degrees can happen by the end of April.
Cl Grantham - I think that it seems like there are ways to work this out so that you
don't have to have the refer units or vehicle traffic from 10:00 pm to 4:00 am, and that's what I
would like to see. And that we put a time limit on it and you come back to us so we hear from
you and from the neighbors about hoer it works. Additionally you can present some ideas to us
for additional buffering, vegetation, whatever, as you've already started to talk about in some of
these documents you've provided. That's what I would like to see.
Cl Beck -
You've got a couple
of months before refrigeration will become an issue. 1 go
by and I see the
fence and say okay,
that's a solid screen, but there's a lot
more things you •
could do to that
fence that would be
a lot more effective for a noise barrier
if you really wanted
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to. It could be twice as high and you could get some kind of a fabric or something on it, which
might be an eyesore, but it probably isn't the most: beautiful thing in the world the way it is
now. But there are other things that could happen with a noise barrier other than a straight
board wooden fence that's eight feet high when you've got trucks that are already above the
level of the fence with the refers running.
M Horton suggested moving existing shrubs to the fence.
Cl Beck - Can we make this a temporary thing to see how it works so it expires and
we're not locked into it forever if it isn't going to work.
Atty Perkins - There is no provision to make a temporary permit. You make the permit
and if it doesn't work it's up to them to come back to you and ask for permission to modify it.
now.
Cl Beck - So we need to make it as restrictive as we want it....
Cl T Hatfield - And they'll see how it works and come back to us.
Atty Perkins - Is there some question about a landscape plan?
C1 '1' Hatfield - That's why I was talking about June 11 You can't plant: shrubs right
Atty Perkins - There is an issue about what was required by the original permit.
Cl T Hatfield - The original permit had a landscape plan in it. I remember talking about
0 it.
Atty Perkins - Are you going to extend the time for compliance with that?
Cl Grantham - Did they comply with ghat? Was it just the fence?
ZO Slater - There was a question about where the landscape buffering wvas supposed to
be. At the time it was my opinion there was a typo that said east and it should have said west,
or vice versa. They did plant a lot of landscaping at the time of the original permit. So they
either planted correctly or incorrectly depending on whose opinion you want to listen to.
Cl Grantham - But they put the fence up now, so does that meet the landscape
requirements one way or another?
ZO Slater - You have the original stuff there. I don't recall a fence. I think they
volunteered between them and Porters to build a fence.
Atty Perkins - Are there issues then with respect: to the original permit?
ZO Slater - Other than hours, I don't believe so.
Cl Grantham - And what where the days of operation?
ZO Slater - Monday through Saturday, one truck leaving at 4:00 a.m. and general
business hours of 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. daily. I think you're talking about 4 :00 am. to 10:00
p.m. Monday through Saturday.
0 Cl Grantham - And not open on Sunday.
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ZO Slater - But what I just said isn't correct. They'll still be working, but can't: have
noise between 10:00 p.m. one day and 4:00 a. m. the following day. 0
Cl T Hatfield - The only thing we're restricting is the yard movement and refer units.
R Cutia - The refer units are going to be a problem. With this account that starts in a
month, we sell a lot of frozen product. I forgot about it when we first talked about it, but we
have separate compartments and that part has got to stay frozen and that means it will have to
run.
Cl T Hatfield - Then you'll need some sort of a muffler on those refers.
Cl
Grantham -
I think
there are ways
to work
this out. You started getting creative
about it, I
have all the
faith in
the world that
you can
work this out.
After further discussion it was decided the hours of operation would be 24 hours a day,
seven days a week, with no yard movement from 10:00 p.m. to 4:00 am. and no refer units
running.
Atty Perkins - Let me work on the conditions, and we'll come back to it.
Supv Varvayanis stated that Thoma Consultants had submitted a proposal to
administer the Cayuga Press HUD grant. Atty Perkins is reviewing it and the Town should be
ready to move forward soon.
Cl Grantham explained the changes made in the RFQ for the Master Plata work after
going to Planting Board, comments from Atty Perkins, and a letter from Dave Putnam with
additional names of people to send it to. 0
Cl Grantham - One change was I had in it originally possibly review recent special
permits, etc, and the Planning Board said don't say possibly, just say do it. Another change
was to really be explicit about include a work plan and time line for the project, estimate the
overall cost of the contract and give a complete and current list of standard hourly rates for
categories of employees. Mahlon wanted me to add the Town Comprehensive Plan is being
prepared in accordance with Town Law §272(x) and it should include items set forth in
subsection 3 and subsection 9, ag review and coordination with the Town of Dryden Right to
Farm Law. That's all the changes that I made. The list of people that will be notified are
Clough Harbour, George Frantz, Ralph Pendell at Cornell, the Chazen Companies, and Rebecca
Reuben at the New York Planning Federation. The time line that I wanted was to approve it
tonight so that we could send out the letter and start getting applications. Barbara and I both
want to be on the search committee and we wanted to ask if we could get approval of the RFQ
and approval for a search committee that would be me and Barbara and choose another person
from the Planning Board. Than well come back and make a recommendation to the Town
Board,
Supv Varvayanis - 'That's fine with me.
Cl Grantham - Al move that then.
RESOLUTION #85 - APPROVE MASTER PLAN REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS
Cl Grantham offered the following resolution and asked for its adoption:
RESOLVED, that this Town Board hereby approves the Request for Qualifications for
the Master Plan work as prepared and authorizes its release. 0
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2nd Cl T Hatfield
Roll Call Vote
Cl Beck Yes
Cl T Hatfield Yes
Supv Varvayanis Yes
Cl Grantham Yes
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Supv Varvayanis - Matt Shulman has been working for a month already and his
contract has not been signed. The only change he wanted to make was the insurance
requirement. His insurance is not that high.
Cl Beck - Do we get into a policy problem if we change one?
Atty
Perkins - You'd
be changing
your policy, yes. You make the policy, you can change
the policy.
The question is
whether it's a good idea.
Cl Beck - He seriously objected to it?
Supv Varvayanis - He's got his insurance now and it costs him a fair amount.
Cl Beck - It's not a big deal in my business for an extra umbrella if you've got the
coverage to start with.
Cl T Hatfield - He'd have to demonstrate a hardship on that one.
Cl Beck - Or demonstrate why he can't.
Supv Varvayanis - Okay, assuming I'll get: him to do that, do I have permission to sign a
contract then?
Cl T Hatfield - As far as I'm concerned.
RESOLUTION #86 - AUTHORIZE CONTRACT WITH MATTHEW SHULMAN
Cl T Hatfield offered the following resolution and asked for its adoption:
RESOLVED, that this Town Board hereby authorizes the Supervisor to execute the
contract with Matthew Shulman to provide services in connection with Project Impact after the
question of appropriate insurance coverage has been resolved.
2nd Cl Beck
Roll Call Vote Cl Beck Yes
C1 T Hatfield Yes
Supv Varvayanis Yes
Cl Grantham Yes
Cl Beck - Are we going any further with the building program? This is a serious
problem.
Cl Grantham - Dianne needs to tell me that she's gotten all of the information that she
can get. When she sends it to me I can write an RFP to get someone in to do a. needs study.
That's the next step.
Supv
Varvayanis - And we're
looking at modular units
to put out back here. It's about
1200 square
feet, so that would give
the Judges a fair amount
of room.
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ZO Slater - Patrick Kennedy is trying to contact you to set up a time to look at those
units so we can arrange to do this when the weather is right. There seems to be some other
interest.
C1 Beck - I guess we need to do the needs study first. There really hasn't been a
consensus, and I'm not saying we should make the decision, but are we looking at remodel, a
bulldoze and brand need? Do we have to make that decision? It seems like it kind of directs
the needs study if we've got some kind of a basis to start with.
Cl Grantham - I think that the needs study comes first. We need to know how many
square foot we need. They did some work must be over ten years ago now, but at the time we
didn't have the bulk of records that we have now, our court wasn't as busy, we had one and
half people in the zoning, we didn't have Matt Shulman, we had fewer deputies. It's a whole lot
different.
Cl Beck - I
know we have a. huge space problem, but
my concern is
is this building even
worth considering
as any part of the future
plan? I've been
hearing things
from the people who
are supposed to know that this place is not
very acceptable
for future use.
Cl Grantham =1 guess that could be part of an RFP, to evaluate this building with
respect to a needs study, but I think we should do a needs study. It doesn't have to take very
long. They need to look at the legal requirements for the justices and then interview...
Cl Beck - And look 20 _years down the road for what we are going to need then.
ZO Slater - You've got to look at the requirements for each and every individual that:
works here, not just the justices. There are requirements for everybody. The ones for the
justices are extraordinarily large.
Cl Grantham - That's what a
needs study
needs to
look at and I think you need to do
that first before you decide whether
this building
has any
use.
Cl Beck - We need to get the scope of what we're going to look at right the first time.
Supv Varvayanis - I'm just assuming we'll need a new building, and that's why I'm
proposing sticking a temporary thing out here because it will probably take a couple of years to
get something built and I think ure're at a critical point now. If we put something out here, it
would be kind of stupid if we then try to expand this building right into what we just stuck
there temporarily.
Cl Beck - If we hire an architect tomorrow and let him do the needs study, how soon
can we break ground? By Fall?
C1 Grantham - I've seen it get done in one to two months.
Cl Beck - I just want to keep it moving.
Atty Perkins - Can we get back to Ithaca Produce?
Supv Varvayanis - They were talking about a 60 decibel average. Should %ve throw a 60
decibel limit into this resolution?
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Dave Putnam - Do we think we ought to have that analyzed by someone that knows
more about sound than all of us? I have looked into it and I can get somebody to analyze and
make sure that that is done factually and correctly.
Atty Perkins - Don't you think the whole thing that they submitted is suspect? 24
hours in the middle of winter. I don't think you should go there frankly without more of a
basis to it.
Cl Beck - Right. We're really not sure what we've got for information.
Supv Varvayanis - If it's true that it's only 60 decibels, it's not waking anybody up. But
if they are coming in here claiming that that's what they're making, then should we just put
that in?
Atty Perkins - Are you going to enforce that?
Cl T Hatfield - How do you enforce it?
Atty Perkins- Henry will be down there at 4:00 am. with his decimeter.
Cl Grantham - So what are you suggesting then?
Atty Perkins - I wouldn't go with setting decibel limits and things like that. It seems to
me that the neighbors came up with a specific proposal and you're prepared to impose that on
them and that sounds workable.
Atty Perkins then read proposed language for a resolution for the Ithaca Produce
matter. The board discussed a landscape plan and decided a plan should be submitted by
April 1, 2001, approved by the Town by May 31, 2001, and the plantings fully implemented by
June 30, 2001. Atty Perkins stated that the goal of the plan should be to mitigate noise. ZO
Slater stated the plan should include how tall the plantings are going to be and the density of
them. Cl Grantham stated the plan need not necessarily be only trees, they could plant four
foot trees and back it with an 8' fence.
Cl Grantham - Henry, the
enforcement
is you, and you've
got to
do it. If you get
complaints from neighbors you've
got to go do
that. You've got to
figure
out how to enforce it.
ZO Slater - I think you're going to have to make a decision sooner or later whether to
make them move or let them be there. It's a 24 hour a day business because that's the nature
of their business and I think the jury- rigging is not going to work and we are going to be down
there all the time. And I for one don't want to do it. It's going to be difficult.
C1 Grantham - But until that happens it's your job, and you are the Zoning
Enforcement Officer,
ZO
Slater -
Well
up until this
point you haven't wanted to enforce anything. Now you
are telling
me you
want
to enforce it.
Is that what you're saying?
C1 Grantham - Yes.
ZO Slater - I'll do the best 1 can. The only way you're probably going to enforce it is to
get an injunction prohibiting it, because the Court's will not stand behind us. That will be my
recommendation. That if it doesn't work we ask Mr. Perkins to get a injunction to enforce
those hours so it's a legal requirement, not just the local Court saying you shouldn't do this.
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And I think Mr. Perkins would agree with me that that's the route to go based on our prior
experience. 0
Atty Perkins - It depends on what we charge them with and how quickly we can get a
hearing, and how serious the Judge is about: enforcing a fine. I don't know what the penalty is,
is it up to $1,000 a day? Maybe on a third offense it gets pretty significant. That's probably not
going to be an acceptable cost of doing business after a while. You've got two remedies. You've
got your local court remedy which is quasi - criminal, and you've got Supreme Court injunction.
Supv Varvayanis - $100 a day, $36,000 a year. You don't want to spend it, but if that
is what it takes to stay in business, he might: be willing to do that.
ZO Slater - They won't fine him $10 a day.
Atty Perkins - That's the problem.
Cl T Hatfield - Their problem is the zoning there. There's no buffer between the zone
they're in and their neighbors.
Cl Beck - Our worst problem is that they are out of compliance with the permit we
issued them now, and if somebody brings that to us...
ZO Slater - We can write them, but we can't make them stop.
Atty Perkins - We can make them stop.
"LO Slater - Right, but not in this Court.
Supv Varvayanis - Okay, let's not worry about: that tonight.
RESOLUTION #87 - MODIFY ITHACA PRODUCE SPECIAL PERMIT
Supv Varvayanis offered the following resolution and asked for its adoption:
RESOLVED, that this Town Board hereby modifies the special permit of Ithaca Produce
with the following conditions:
1. There shall be no truck movement: on the site between the hours of 10 p.m. and
4 a.m. the next morning.
2. There shall be no truck engines running on the site between the hours of 10
p.m. and 4 a.m. the next morning.
3.
There
shall be no
truck or txailer refrigeration engine operations between the
hours of 10
p.m. and
4 a.m. the
next morning.
4. Ithaca Produce must submit to the Town a satisfactory landscape plan to
further mitigate noise from the site. The plan must be submitted no later than April 1, 2001
and must be approved by the Town not later than May 31, 2001. The Town reserves the right
to make such additional requirements to the plan as may be necessary to best achieve the ends
sought. The plan , including the planting and other noise mitigation installations, must be fully
implemented by June 30, 2001.
2nd Cl T I•Iatfield
Roll Call Vote Cl Beck Yes is
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Cl T Hatfield
Supv Varvayanis
Cl Grantham
Yes
Yes
Yes
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At 10:00 p.m. Supv Varvayanis made a motion to move into executive session to discuss
a possible land purchase or swap, the discussion of which in public might adversely affect the
purchase price, and to discuss the medical and employment history of up to three individuals,
and for the purpose of attorney /client privilege discussions. Motion duly seconded and
unanimously carried. No action was taken.
On motion made, seconded and unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at
10:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Awf 41VO6"CIC
Bambi L. Hollenbeck
Town Clerk
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