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PLANNING BOARD DRAFT MINUTES
Town of Danby Planning Board
Minutes of Regular Meeting
May 17, 2022
DRAFT
PRESENT:
Ed Bergman
Collen Cowan
Scott Davis
Kelly Maher
Elana Maragni
Jamie Vanucchi
Jody Scriber (Chair)
OTHER ATTENDEES:
Town Planner David West
Recording Secretary Alyssa de Villiers
Public Andy Cove, Bill Evans, Dan Hoffman, Katharine Hunter (Town Board member),
Joel Gagnon (Town Supervisor, Town Board member), Micaela Karlsen, Kim
Nitchman, Russ Nitchman, Norbut Solar team (Austin Goodwin, Jon Stone, Norbut
Solar), Ronda Roaring, Jennifer Streid-Mullen, Jeremy Thompson, John Vakiner,
Anon1, Anon2
This meeting was conducted virtually on the Zoom platform.
The meeting was opened at 7:02 p.m.
(1) CALL TO ORDER/AGENDA REVIEW
Planner West said that a survey had not yet been received for 108 Marsh Rd., which was the item the
Board was waiting on to consider final approval. He said the Board could remove the agenda item or do a
conditional approval.
(2) PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
No comments were made during privilege of the floor.
(3) APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION: Approve the April 19th minutes
Moved by Vanucchi, seconded by Bergman
The motion passed.
In favor: Bergman, Cowan, Davis, Vanucchi, Scriber
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Abstain: Maher, Maragni
(4) TOWN BOARD LIAISON REPORT
As Leslie Connors, the Town Board Liaison, was absent, Town Board member Joel Gagnon shared the
following information:
• The Town Board has created a Youth Commission.
• The Town Board is considering enacting the stretch energy code; there is a public hearing on June
7, 2022.
• Agreements were approved with non-governmental organizations, as recommended by court
directive and auditors.
• The Town Board is considering a local law to allow remote attendance by board members.
• The Norbut solar farm project is advancing.
• A public hearing on a proposed noise law will be held at the May 18, 2022 Town Board meeting. It
is a contentious issue that will likely generate some changes before being considered for passage.
• The Town Board is considering revising the dog law in response to a recommendation from the
SPCA that would allow for the deletion of the words “under voice control.”
(5) DEVELOPMENT REVIEW
SUB-2022-03 88 Gunderman Rd.
Parcel: 10.-1-1.34
Applicant: Jennifer Streid-Mullen
Anticipated Board action(s) this month: Application Review, Schedule Public Hearing, Declare
Lead Agency
Zone: Hamlet Neighborhood SEQR Type: Unlisted
Proposal: Applicant would like to divide the property into an approx. 13-acre parcel fronting on
Gunderman and a 33-acre parcel
Applicant’s Description
Jennifer Streid-Mullen said she would like to carve off the eastern 13 acres of her property, which is
undeveloped and has road frontage on Gunderman Rd. The remainder of the property is 33 acres, has the
existing house, and is currently up for sale. She plans to hold onto the 13-acre property and have it
developed in the next 5–10 years.
Board Discussion
Planner West shared the survey with the Board, pointing out the subdivision line and that the parcel is a
unique shape. He said the newly created lot is conforming and in the Hamlet Neighborhood zone. No Board
members had questions.
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MOTION: Schedule a public hearing for the June 21st meeting and declare the Planning Board lead
agency (for SEQR)
Moved by Maher, seconded by Cowan
The motion passed.
In favor: Bergman, Cowan, Davis, Maher, Maragni, Vanucchi, Scriber
SUB-2022-01 108 Marsh Rd.
Parcel: 12.-1-5.7 & 12.-1-5.8
Applicant: Gregory and Kathleen Norkus
Anticipated Board action(s) this month: Public Hearing, SEQR Determination, Consider
Preliminary and Final Approval
Zone: Rural 2 SEQR Type: Unlisted
Proposal: Applicant would like to subdivide off and sell one approx. two acre lot. To do so,
applicant must combine their two adjacent lots into a parent lot and resubdivide using cluster
subdivision; three lots will be created.
New Documents: Survey (will be added to electronic folder when available)
As the survey had not been received and no one from the project was at the meeting, Board member
Bergman suggested waiting until the following meeting. No action was taken.
SUB-2022-02 256 Bruce Hill Rd.
Parcel: 9.-1-1.1
Applicant: Mark and Micaela Karlsen
Anticipated Board action(s) this month: Public Hearing, SEQR Determination, Consider Buffer
Requirement, Consider Preliminary and Final Approval of Cluster Subdivision and Site Plan
Zone: Rural 1 SEQR Type: Unlisted
Proposal: Applicants would like to put a four-unit cluster on an approx. 70-acre lot. As there is a
requirement for a 600' buffer between a cluster and neighboring houses (see Section 601-7e of the
Zoning Law), a BZA variance would be needed. During Sketch Plan Conference, the Planning
Board lets the applicant know their initial thoughts and what else should be shown prior to
Preliminary Plat Review (see Article III of the Subdivision Regulations).
Public Hearing
The public hearing was opened at 7:17 p.m.
Planner West said he had spoken to two neighbors. The closest neighbor, who was not able to attend,
would like to recommend that the Board not approve any reduction from the required 600’ buffer
requirement. The other neighbor he spoke with said they had no problem with the project.
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Joel Gagnon (Town Board member) said that, absent the clustering that is enabling the four units where
proposed, the existing house could be located exactly where it is now without having to go before the
Planning Board or BZA. He felt that the location where the houses are being proposed minimizes the
adverse environmental impacts by minimizing the visual impact to the viewshed and maintaining the largest
amount of useable agricultural land; therefore, he thought it was reasonable to entertain waiving the 600’
buffer requirement.
Board member Bergman asked what actions had been taken to work with the closest neighbor. West said
he believed there had been communications where the neighbor had suggested some ideas that would
make him more comfortable, but these were not specifically mitigations of the impact.
Katharine Hunter (Town Board member) said she was excited for the project but also heard the issue with
the neighbor who is unhappy. She asked where the Fingerlakes Trail crosses Bruce Hill Rd., and this was
explained. She said she hoped the project could be worked out since she liked the idea that people were
thinking in this way.
The public hearing was closed at 7:28 p.m.
Applicant’s Description
Dan Hoffman, the landowner, explained that he has owned the property for 48 years, has known the
nearest neighbor since he was twelve, and has always allowed the neighbor to hunt on the property. He
noted that when he bought the property and was living in the (now-burnt) house, the neighbor’s house was
not there and he could see no houses from his porch—the neighbor chose to locate his house the 450’
from the existing house. Now the Karlsens would like to be co-owners and live on the property. He said
they have all met with the neighbor and discussed the project. The neighbor would like to continue to hunt
in the westerly edge of the Danby parcel. Mr. Hoffman said he would be willing to give a written lifetime
right to hunt in that area, but he was not willing to subdivide and sell that area. He felt it was rare to have
large parcels like this not subdivided and wanted it to remain an intact parcel. He thought the neighbor
found most of the building sites acceptable but was concerned about where the existing, damaged house
is. Mr. Hoffman noted that anything the Karlsens build at the house site would be smaller than the existing
house. He added that the intention is to cluster the structures in an area that has already seen some
development historically, which will preserve the splendid open feeling of the field. You would not see any
buildings until you got close to that area. He said he was committed to continue having conversations with
the neighbor and to continue a friendly relationship.
Micaela Karlsen showed pictures from the porch of the existing house showing that you cannot see the
neighbor’s house. She reiterated that the separation between the houses was set when the neighbor chose
to build his house there. She said they love the property and are excited to protect it and keep it intact.
Board Discussion
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Board member Davis wondered if the neighbor was aware that the parcel could be divided into seven ten-
acre parcels with seven houses. Planner West said he had talked to the neighbor about how the proposal is
less than the total allowed density. Davis said he felt there was such a strong case to be made for the
proposal and that it could be the best situation for the neighbor, which could be explained further. West
pointed out that the Karlsens’ and Mr. Hoffman’s property rights are not contingent on the neighbor’s
agreement.
Chair Scriber said it is an incredible view and piece of property and she felt this was a good use of it while
leaving so much of it open. She felt this was positive over having a bunch of houses in there.
Board member Cowan said that because there is so much vegetation and the curve of the road, it does not
feel on top of the neighbor.
Board member Maragni said that the original house was built right there. If the applicants were trying to
move it closer than it is, there would be more to discuss, but they are using the existing footprint. She
thought it was a good use of the property. As a nearby resident, she said she has wondered what would
happen with the lot and feels excited for the project.
Board member Bergman asked about site plan review for the existing house site before building as a
protection for the neighbor. West said that in this zone site plan review is a requirement. The Board could
consider the subdivision plan as the site plan, but it is more scant than most site plans; the Board can
request any amount of detail they deem appropriate.
Planner West asked the Karlsens if they had any building plans at this point. Micaela Karlsen said they did
not as they are waiting to close before investing money in architectural plans. They would like to apply for
permission with the Town and work out the details first.
Board member Vanucchi said she wished the neighbor had attended the meeting as they were only hearing
his views through others. She also said she would appreciate seeing a more fleshed out site plan review
when the time comes.
Board member Maher said she supported this, but having both this case and the Marsh Rd. case on the
agenda (which both asked for reductions from the cluster subdivision buffer requirement) made her wary of
where the 600’ number came from in the new zoning.
Davis asked if the building locations are locked in at this point in the process. West said this is a
subdivision, even though it is not dividing the lot, and any site plan should substantially comply with these
locations. Davis said he was concerned about the worst-case scenario of someone else coming in and
doing something very different than what is approved; he wanted to make sure the language was specific
enough. Others agreed with being clear on that. West said the Board could make a condition of subdivision
approval that site plan approval is required on the lot even if the rule for the zone changes.
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SEQR Review
Planner West said this was an Unlisted Action under SEQR. He reviewed the Short Environmental
Assessment Form (SEAF) Part I with the Board and noted there was one box ticked, 12(b), asking, “Is the
project site, or any portion of it, located in or adjacent to an area designated as sensitive for archaeological
sites on the NY State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) archaeological site inventory?” He said he
contacted SHPO and the reason this is automatically checked yes is because there is a buffer along the
stream valley where there were First Peoples communities. This does not take into account that the
property is up a cliff, and SHPO was not concerned about the buffer touching the property. West read aloud
Part II, and it was agreed that the answer was “no or small impact may occur” to all but one question:
number 2, “Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land?”, was
answered “moderate to large impact may occur.” The Board agreed this was mitigated by the clustering,
vegetation, distance, and that two of the four are building sites are already existing.
MOTION: The proposed action will not result in any significant adverse environmental impacts.
Moved by Bergman, seconded by Maher
The motion passed.
In favor: Bergman, Cowan, Davis, Maher, Maragni, Vannuchi, Scriber
Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval
Planner West reviewed the Board’s action options. The Board agreed that they were comfortable granting
final subdivision approval contingent on future buildings completing site plan review.
Conditions
The Board placed three conditions. To ensure that the future buildings would be as proposed, it was agreed
that proposed buildings would be subject to site plan review and their locations would be in substantial
compliance with the approved cluster subdivision plat. Sciber confirmed that the applicants could come
before the Board again if something needs to be built differently.
Vannuchi asked if the applicants would have the ability to develop more on the property in the future, and
West said they have rights to six homes, but their proposal is to put a conservation easement on the
property that would limit them to the four proposed. Davis felt strongly that only having four houses was one
of the reasons he considered allowing a variance on the 600’ and that that should be the limit. Scriber
confirmed that if they did not do a conservation easement they could come to the Board to amend their
subdivision plat and put up more structures. Mr. Hoffman said his intention is to have a conservation
easement and they are advanced in the concept already. Planner West said the conservation easement
was considered in SEQR; if that changed, it would trigger reopening SEQR. He said it was good to
consider an easement in terms of impacts but not to try to extract one unless it was a needed mitigation.
Davis did not feel it was extraction. He said that when this was proposed, the applicant was asking for a
waiver of the 600’ buffer, and there was clear language that there would be a conservation easement; he
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was not willing to support the waiver without it. This was developed into a condition stating that the waiver
was contingent upon the property being placed in a conservation easement as proposed in the application.
MOTION: Pass Res. 5 of 2022 (granting preliminary and final approval with conditions)
Moved by Bergman, seconded by Davis
The motion passed.
In favor: Bergman, Cowan, Davis, Maher, Maragni, Vannuchi, Scriber
SPR-2022-03 105 Beardsley Lane
Parcel: 2.-1-9.22
Applicant: Jeremy Thompson
Anticipated Board action(s) this month: Application Review, Public Hearing, Consider approval
of amended site plan
Zone: Low Density Residential SEQR Type: Type II
Proposal: Applicant would like to amend the site plan approved at the January 2020 meeting.
Changes are proposed for landscaping, driveway, and drainage
Planner West explained that he asked Mr. Thompson to come back before the Board because what he was
constructing did not match the site plan West had on file. West advertised a public hearing because it had
already been reviewed by the Board in the past; however, neighbors had only an abbreviated amount of
notice. He said that, in reviewing the document history, he believes the Board approved Planner Haremza
approving the final site plan and so the Board may not have all seen the final version.
Applicant’s Description
The applicant showed slides describing the changes he wanted to make around the house and in the farm
pond area. He would like to move the parking area and make the driveway circular to improve accessibility;
he had difficulty with the septic system and has finally passed final inspection, but it is moved from the
original site plan; there is a net gain in trees but he would like to omit some in the front and where the septic
field is. In terms of drainage, he is diverting water from the light pole; he wants a water feature in the middle
of the circular driveway, which cannot drain into the DMAT; he is proposing a French drain under the
driveway to drain into the neighborhood culvert; he needs drains around the house because the original site
excavation was 9–12” too deep; the farm pond is pushed east; the berm is reduced in size and he would
like the berm to divert into the farm pond. He noted the house does not have a garage attached. He wanted
to get approval for the location of a detached accessory building, which would be a studio above a garage.
He also wanted a big greenhouse next to the farm pond as another accessory structure.
Public Hearing
The public hearing was opened at 8:49 p.m.
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Andy Cove (111 Beardsley Lane) said he had sent a letter. He said one of his main concerns was that right
now the site plan does not show the extent of the leach field in the southwest corner, which is quite an
eyesore currently and should be properly stabilized and something done aesthetically. When the project
was originally allowed through site plan review, there was a great deal of conversation about maximizing
the buffer between the properties, including making the driveway so cars did not turn towards their house
with headlights. He said he and the applicant had talked, and Mr. Thompson had proposed a fence. Mr.
Thompson said he was willing to build a fence higher than six foot if allowed. Mr. Cove said he knew Mr.
Thompson had done a lot of work to try to make the drainage work, but it is really important that no outflows
come towards their property. He said he was concerned about the French drains leaving outflows on the
west side of the property as there is a lot of slope in the street.
Ronda Roaring said she had a number of concerns. Based on the mention of a farm pond she wondered if
the applicant would be filing a Schedule F and running the operation as a farm. She said that if the
applicant wanted to put fish in the farm pond, he should know that koi are a non-native invasive species
that are not allowed to leave the pond alive as regulated by the DEC. She also hoped non-native invasive
species would not be planted on the property and thought a fence could impede the flow of wildlife. She
added that it looked a lot like someone was playing.
John Vakiner (114 Beardsley Lane) said he lives across the street. He thought Ms. Roaring’s comment that
it seemed like a playground was appropriate. Without offense meant, it has seemed like a make-it-up-as-
you-go-along process with the plan changing several times, including significant changes to the septic
system and the driveway, and the foundation being too low was a problem from the get-go.
The public hearing was closed at 9:03 p.m.
Board Discussion
Davis said he was on the Board when the original site plan was proposed. The Board was specific about
headlights not shining into the neighbor’s house. He thought they should take the neighbor’s concerns quite
seriously; this is unsettling and the moving around of the septic field is equally disquieting.
Bergman was also on the Board when the site plan was approved. He said it now feels and looks very
different. He said he was not clear on the ask at this moment; the requested changes are unclear other
than for the changes already made. He said it has been under construction for some time and it looks like
there is more still to come. He felt for the neighbors as this is not what they had supported. He asked
Planner West what the Board’s options were.
Maragni said this came before the Board when she had just joined. She said she would not be able to
make a decision at this meeting. She suggested re-opening the public hearing or talking about it again at
the next meeting to absorb what they have learned. Maher added that some neighbors may not have
gotten the notification and may have more opinions to add.
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Scriber said she needed time to sort out what was approved, what has happened, and what are “maybes.”
She, too, had concerns for the neighbors. She asked for guidance in this situation where changes kept
going on when it was not what they had approved.
Planner West said he was disappointed to hear that there were things planned that are still not being
shown in the drawings. He said he went through some rounds of discussions with the applicant, and it is a
lot of changes. The main things he identified were the berm, the circular driveway, and removing approved
trees. He also had stormwater concerns with the pond as the original drawings were stamped by an
architect and the Town needs to know someone competent has said it will be okay. As a Planner, he could
have issued a stop work order, but he thought it best for the applicant to come before the Planning Board.
He thought the applicant understands that some of the things he has done that were not to plan are at risk
and it is up to the Board to decide what is acceptable and what is not. He said the Board could give
guidance as to what additional information and details they want to see for the following meeting.
Maher asked for dimensions. Scriber suggested someone with expertise determine accessibility if the
applicant truly wanted that. Bergman thought it would be best to have the changes made clear before
another public hearing. He wanted to see a more detailed plan of what is happening, who designed it, what
the specs are, and how does it compare to the original. Cowan said she was concerned if work continues
without approval; this is a lot of disturbance to the landscape and that has consequences. She felt the
applicant needs to stick to the original plan or have an organized presentation to the Board for discussion.
Bergman said maybe it was time to do a stop work order. Davis said they needed to see the original plan,
in scale, next to the extant development of the site, in scale, absent any development that is not crucial to
the deliberations. He thought the stop work order seemed harsh, but it seemed appropriate for the situation.
West said that a stop work order is within the Board’s rights. It would delay a certificate of occupancy, but
the project is out of compliance with the site plan. He thought fixes like changes to the ditch and
stabilization should continue, but the Board had been clear that any further changes should be stopped
except for what the Board already approved.
PUD-2021-01 Norbut Solar Farm
Parcel: 10.-1-21.122
Applicant: Passero Associates
Anticipated Board action(s) this month: Update on application, consider recommendation to
Town Board on SEQR, consider comments on Site Plan.
Proposal: Zoning change to PDZ that will allow three 5MW solar fields on a 111 acre parcel.
New Documents: Full application package - additional changes are still expected
Applicant’s Description
Jon Stone of Norbut Solar gave a presentation. He described the most recent site plan changes, including
the relocation of the point of interconnection (POI), a significant reduction to the third site, and the addition
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of a northern harrier habitat management area. He said they have listened to comments from the Town’s
engineers, residents, the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC), and Tompkins County Soil
and Water. They now have a substantially complete application. He elaborated on the changes:
o The POI will now be behind Buttermilk Creek and roughly behind the Town Hall.
o The project as designed now is not built on any wetlands on the site. Wetlands have been
delineated by two companies, one a representative for Norbut Solar and one a representative for
the Town, and a joint report has been agreed on.
o The access road has been moved to the west to accommodate neighbors and allow for more
natural screening as well as the path of the road being moved off of the southern border to
maintain another vegetative buffer.
o The most substantial change is with array three, which is now greatly reduced in size. This area will
be reserved for habitat preservation and management; the change is a little over 20 acres. The
total undeveloped area on the site is 54 acres. He said they would be quiet neighbors and are
habitat-minded.
Board Discussion
Planner West said this will return to the Planning Board for site plan review as soon as the Town Board
approves the planned development zone, which could be as soon as next month. They are no longer
proposing subdivision. He mentioned that there had been a site visit with three Planning Board members.
Bergman said there have been a lot of changes made for the Town, neighbors, and the environment that
he appreciates. He felt the applicant had done everything that was asked of them so far and said he was in
favor.
Davis said he did the site walk and was very impressed with the changes and the general tone of
cooperativeness. He was also pleased that Danby has a 50’ buffer from the watercourse there. He said the
project had his full endorsement.
Cowan agreed it looked good and was in favor. Being on the site visit, she found it isolated from the
neighbors, and she hoped they would find it that way also. Maher, who had also attended the site visit,
agreed.
Scriber said the buffer for the neighbors was really positive. The fact that it is tucked back and won’t be
very visible was great; she was in favor also.
Vanucchi said she appreciated the sensitivity—it is hard to make this much solar this unobtrusive. She
asked what the lifespan was and what happens after. In terms of screening, she said she did not get the
tree species proposed as some were quite small, even shrubs, there were spaces in between, and
arborvitae gets browsed by deer. She asked how the species were chosen and whether they would be
open to changes.
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Mr. Stone said there is a base duration of about 25 years, at which point the solar panels have degraded to
80% of their original efficiency, but he thought 35 to 45 years. They do have a decommissioning plan and
agreement with the Town. A bond will be set aside to allow for the removal of the arrays and for the site to
be returned to preconstruction condition. He said they were open to modifying the types of trees. They are
not selecting the final species now but are open to there being a condition of site plan review that the
applicant be open to sharing a budget and allowing the Town to make some decisions on species and
locations later in the process.
Russ Nitchman, the current property owner, wondered why the road heads south and then west making a
backwards ell rather than being more angular (on the diagonal), which would be less road and further from
the neighbor. He said the company is doing a great job with the project.
Planner West confirmed that the Board agreed with sending the message to the Town Board that the
Planning Board is in support of the project moving forward and a finding of no or minimal impact.
(6) PLANNER REPORT
Planner West said he is bringing to the Town Board a proposal to add two parcels to the Hamlet
Neighborhood zone on Bald Hill Rd. They are the first parcels over the current line dividing the Hamlet
Neighborhood, and the owner wants to do cluster housing, so it may make sense to put them into this zone.
A potential business asked for a review of the Commercial C zone, the least restrictive commercial zone.
The Town currently has no light industrial allowed and a very strict definition of light industry. The Town
Board will be considering whether the proposed use can be allowed in the Commercial C zone to allow the
reuse of the Ithaca Auto warehouse as manufacturing.
(7) ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:47 p.m.
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Alyssa de Villiers – Recording Secretary
OFFICE USE ONLY
Application No.: __________
Date Received by
Municipal Clerk: _________
Planning Board
DECISION
At a meeting of the Planning Board on
______________________________, 20_____, the following
motion was made by _____________________________________________:
(name of planning board member)
I move that the Planning Board G deny
Gapprove
Gapprove with conditions (see below)
the application for G Site Plan Review Approval
GPreliminary Subdivision Approval
GFinal Subdivision Approval
GSpecial Use Permit Approval
GOther ___________________________________
made by ___________________________________________________
(applicant name)
for property located at _________________________________________ .
(address / tax map number)
Approval of this application is subject to the following conditions:
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G Additional conditions are attached.
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Planning Board Chairperson (Date)
Resolution No.: _________
Jody Scriber
Ed Bergman
Scott Davis
Colleen Cowan
Kelly Maher
Elana Maragni
Jamie Vanucchi
SUB-2022-02
5 of 2022
May 17 22
Ed Bergman (second by Scott Davis)
Mark and Micaela Karlsen
256 Bruce Hill Rd.
1. Proposed buildings are subject to site plan review.
2. Proposed building locations are in substantial compliance with approved cluster subdivision plat.
3. The Planning Board agrees to reduce the 600' cluster spacing requirement so long as the
parcel is placed under conservation easement as proposed in the application.
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