HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-02-28 BZA Minutes
FINAL
PRESENT:
Betsy Lamb
Tobias Dean
Ted Jones
Lew Billington (Zoom)
ABSENT:
Earl Hicks
OTHER ATTENDEES:
Town Planner David West
Recording Secretary Cindy Katz
Public (in-person)Charles Gu man; Jeremy Thompson; Jeremy Knout; Sanford
Miller; Marvin Oltz; John Vakiner; Andrew Purser; Andrew
Davis; Natalia Santamaria
Zoom Ted Crane; Andrew Cove & Deborah Montgomery; Joel
Gagnon (Town Supervisor); Virginia Tesi; Leslie Conner
(Town Board member), Katharine Hunter (Town Board
member) Robert Goggs; Monica Vakiner; Marten Wegkamp
This mee ng was conducted in person with virtual access on the Zoom pla orm.
The mee ng was called to order at 7:01 p.m.
1. CALL TO ORDER/REVIEW
MOTION to make Betsy Lamb chair during this mee ng due to absence of Hicks.
Moved by Jones, seconded by Dean
The mo on passed.
In favor: Dean, Jones, Lamb, Billington
No addi on or dele ons made to the agenda.
Mary Ann Barr 2021
The Town of Danby
1830 Danby Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
danby.ny.gov
Board of Zoning Appeals Agenda
Tuesday 28 February 2023 at 7:00PM
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
No minutes for approval.
3. NEW BUSINESS
Lamb clarified that though there were only 4 of them present, they were s ll required to
make a majority. She offered the applicants the op on to pull their applica ons today in
case they felt this le them at a disadvantage. None did.
Planner West wondered if they should change the order of appeals tonight. The Board
elected to do that, and start with the East Miller applica on variance.
VAR-2023-01 229 E. Miller, Parcel: 7.-1-43.42 Applicant: Jeremy Knout
An cipated Ac on: Approve or Deny Variance
SEQR: Gran ng or Denying this Area Variance is a Type 2 Ac on requiring no
further review
Applicant Request: The applicant requests a variance from the minimum lot size
for 1 of 3 parcels in a 3 lot subdivision of the exis ng large lot as well as variance
of the required lot depth to create a 3 acre parcel around the exis ng farmhouse.
Applicant's Descrip on and Board Ques ons
Applicant Knout approached the microphone, the map was displayed, and handouts
were distributed to the BZA. He reviewed his goals. Lamb wondered why the applicant
was pu ng in the variance and not the current owner of the land. Planner West said that
anyone could put it in the appeal as long as the seller agreed. Lamb clarified with the
seller - present at the mee ng - that he did, in fact, consent.
Lamb asked why the terrain wouldn't allow for any other configura on of the land. He
explained that with the terrain and all the hills and gullies, there is no other flat enough
area. She wondered if the yellow lot could be expanded, and he responded that it could
be, but that would result in lots neither of which met the required 10 acre minimum.
They wondered if it was possible to add more to the pink lot in order to give each 10
acres.
Dean wondered how similar this request was to another recent appeal to create 4 lots up
the road, none of which were 10 acres. Planner West explained this is different because
the size of this original lot would allow for 8 separate parcels.
Public Comment
The public hearing was opened at 7:13 p.m.
Planner West said he had not received any le ers and they asked if anyone from the
public or on Zoom would like to speak. Knout reviewed his neighbors and said he was
not aware of any issues from them; many are friends. No comments were made.
The public hearing closed at 7:14 p.m.
Area Variance Findings & Decision
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the appeal of Jeremy Knout regarding the
property at 229 East Miller (Tax parcel 7.-1-43.42) for an Area Variance from the zoning
code sec on 602-5 that requires 10 acres and 600 depth for new lots in the R2
Residen al Zone.
1. The Board agreed no undesirable change would be produced in the character of the
neighborhood or a detriment to nearby proper es.
Billington wondered if the pink area becoming a flag lot would cause any issues.
Planner West said it is permi ed but could not be subdivided in the future. He
sought clarifica on on direc ons. Lamb wondered about possible future building
on the blue lot.
2. The Board agreed that the benefit sought by the applicant could not be achieved by a
feasible alterna ve of the variance.
The Board agreed that there is not an alterna ve due to the topographical
concerns, and that there would be no real way to the smaller lot up to the acreage
required even if they did shave some land off the other parcels.
3. The Board agreed that the requested variance was substan al, no ng that taking 10
acres and bringing it down to 3 does feel substan al.
However, Dean stated if you consider the total density and size of the larger lot it
seems less substan al.
4. The Board agreed the variance would not have an adverse impact on the physical or
environmental condi ons in the neighborhoods.
They noted that nothing is changing from what is already present and no
construc on is planned.
5. The Board agreed that the difficulty was more or less self-created, no ng however,
that with the new zoning ordinances, there were no other op ons and that the terrain
was very limited, and that it is o en the case and not par cularly significant that the
problem was self-created.
. Planner West asked if they wanted Lamb wondered if they needed one or two variances
to consider condi ons, including one that the future number of subdivisions allowed
would be a maximum of 6 lots for the blue (larger) lot. They agreed on that condi on,
clarifying that the total area for the 3 lots cannot be divided into more than 8 lots.
The BZA found a 7 acre and 500 depth from Sec on 602-5 were the minimum
variance that should be granted in order to preserve and protect the character of the
neighborhood and the health, safety, and welfare of the community because of all of the
above discussed reasons and the following: gran ng the variance will not change the
character of the neighborhood, topographical limita ons preclude substan al changes to
the proposal.
MOTION to pass Resolu on 1 of 2023: The benefit to the applicant does outweigh the
detriment to the neighborhood or community.
Moved by Jones, seconded by Dean.
The mo on passed.
In favor: Billington, Lamb, Dean, Jones.
Lamb thanked the applicant for coming in person. Applicant asked what the next step is,
and Planner West responded that the Planning Board will hold a hearing at the next
mee ng, do SEQRA, and then grant either preliminary or final approval.
Appeal of Staff Use Determina on for Tourist Home for SPR-2022-09 105 Beardsley
Ln. Parcel: 2.-1-9.22
Link to Planning Board Folder Here
An cipated Board ac on(s) this month: Review request for appeal, Consider
Recinding or Upholding Staff Use Determina on
The Site Plan Review applicant would like to use their newly constructed home as
a Tourist Home - a use allowed by site plan review in this zone. The appealing
party believes that the proposed use does not meet the defini on of a Tourist
Home in the Town's zoning and is reques ng review by the BZA.
Lamb reviewed the appeal and Planner West clarified that this is not a decision on if a
tourist home is permi ed but rather if this par cular house IS a tourist home. Lamb
wondered if that meant the BZA had to therefore decide what the house is, if it is not a
tourist house? Planner West clarified that there are two types of businesses for
accommoda on that are allowed in the town - tourist home, which is allowed in this
zone, and hotel/motel/boarding home, which is not allowed in this zone. The appealing
party believes, based on the defini on of "tourist home" that this accommoda on is NOT
a tourist home but rather, a hotel/motel/boarding house.
Lamb read the defini on of the tourist home and asked for the input of the person
bringing the appeal, Virginia Tesi. Tesi did not respond and Planner West explained they
had COVID. He offered to read their most recent le er, which was not included in the
packet.l
Ted Crane asked if he could speak first in order to a end another mee ng. Lamb agreed.
Public Comment
Crane said that he doesn't live near the house but would not want this to happen near
where he lives. He agrees with the appealing party that the house’s primary use is NOT
as a primary dwelling for the owner. He noted that the applicant themself has expressed
that the "best part" of the house is not the part that the owner is using regularly but
rather the part that will be rented. He thought David’s list of other tourist houses was
not relevant because there are too many differences. He went over why those examples
were different and irrelevant. He men oned that this area was made an agricultural
zone, possibly to shield the neighborhood from 96B. When the applicant was given
permission to build there, he claimed that the house would just be for him and his family.
He noted a “pa ern of changing needs” and unstated intent from the applicant, poin ng
that various people involved knew that this was designed to be a rental property from
the start.
The Public Hearing con nued...
Natalia Santamaria of 135 Beardsley Lane spoke on behalf of Tesi, reading por ons of
the le er recently submi ed by Tesi.
Robert Goggs: Asked the board to ask for a reasonable interpreta on of the zoning law,
and that he supports this appeal. He believes it is more reasonable to view that a home
using five of the more luxurious bedrooms in a seven bedroom home as rentals would
make the rental the "primary" func on of the house.
Andrew Cove stated that he sent a le er today. He pointed out that the Town zoning
laws do not have a strict defini on of primary and secondary, but common sense shows
that someone living in a two bedroom basement with only a kitchene e, but ren ng out
an upstairs with a proper kitchen does not seem common sense that the rental be
"secondary." He noted the a c cannot be "fi ed at the top" according to Code
Regula ons. He noted that there is no defini on of lodging houses in Danby zoning laws,
so he's not sure why that was relevant. The way the applicant wants to use this house
makes it a "boarding house" which is only permi ed in Commercial Zone Z.
Deborah Montgomery, also on his Zoom spoke about the character of the neighborhood
being damaged and feeling “scary” by having transient people coming in and out.
A orney Gu man spoke on behalf of his client the applicant. He stated that how this
impacts the neighborhood is not relevant to this appeal. That is something that the
Planning Board considers in their Site Plan. Regarding "common sense": This is not a
motel. Reminded folks that the ques on here is if this is a tourist house as defined by the
Town Board.
Gu man reviewed the condi ons of rental – only rented 180 days a year. This makes it a
secondary use as a rental, because for 365 days a year, the applicant will be living there.
He reviewed the layout of the house, where the applicant will live, and how the other
floors will be used at various mes during the year.
He brought up the rules regarding zoning laws when there is ambiguity. In those
incidents, the ruling is supposed to go to the benefit of the land-owner.
Joel Gagnon, Town Supervisor, explained that the only thing that makes this an issue is
that someone is going to be living in the house. If this was going to be a full rental, rented
out completely, it would be permi ed.The only ques on here is what kind of rental IS it
then, since it is not a fully rented out space? He urged the BZA to look closely at Planner
West's reasoning to make sure it does in fact fit the defini on of a tourist home.
Andrew Pursuer: It seems clear the primary use is not a home and therefore it should be
defined as a "boarding house." He wondered how the town can regulate the 180 days of
rentals. He asked when the le er would be read and Lamb clarified it would be read a er
the Public Hearing was closed.
Virginia Tesi: Agreed with Gu man that this is similar to a bnb. However, a bnb can be a
tourist home but it can ALSO be a boarding house bnb. Which one it is is dependent on
the primary/secondary use dis nc on, and that is what she believes the ques on facing
the BZA is. She disagreed with Gagnon's assessment that if the applicant were not living
in the house it would be allowed. According to her, this statement is incorrect because
this case is about a night to night rental for transient people - not a monthly or yearly
rental. Nightly rentals, she believes, are only permi ed in two designa ons. She believes
it is a misinterpreta on to say nightly rentals are allowed in a building where the owner
does not live. Perhaps this will change but as the code is now, this is what is there.
Montgomery: Inten on can't be regulated and she wondered how those s pula ons be
enforced?
Gu man: Reiterated that this is about if this is a Tourist Home, not how the town
chooses to enforce it., and that in a tourist home, vs a boarding home, the owner lives in
the house, and that this is a tourist home because the owner will live there.
Tesi responded that yes, in a tourist house the owner must live there, whereas in a
boarding home that is not required.
The public hearing closed at 8:04 pm.
Board Ques ons and Discussion:
Planner West read the second le er sent by Virginia Tesi.
Lamb clarified that they have the choice of suppor ng or not suppor ng the appeal, and
Planner West clarified their choices are 1. Reverse his interpreta on of tourist house use
2. to affirm his interpreta on was correct or 3. to modify it, saying it was mostly correct
with a few changes they made make in this par cular circumstance.
She asked if considering the impact on the neighborhood was relevant and Planer West
said no, it is purely interpre ng the code, and that in situa ons of ambiguity, you are
supposed to rule in favor of the land-owner.
Dean disclosed that he had a telephone call with Montgomery who asked her if this
would go to the BZA. At the me, he didn't think. She expressed to him many of the
things that were said tonight and he didn't feel he needed to recuse himself as a result.
Billington noted the storied history of the building and code viola ons. He is currently in
Maine and read all the material. Some ques ons that came up are we able to say that
something is residency because someone decided to live in a basement? He heard many
reasonable arguments here but he is not sure if they relate to the task at hand. He
wondered how various condi ons could be enforced or kept track of. If both tourist
homes and boarding homes are allowed, what is the downside to the house becoming a
boarding house? It seems unlikely they house can get moved or torn down. From what he
sees, we are stuck with zoning as it is like it or not.
Dean said this is a new neighborhood, built in the last 15 years or so. he noted that a
variance was given to Ithaca College to build a large addi on to accommodate large
gatherings, mainly on weekends, and he doesn't know if that has a no ceable effect on
the neighborhood. He noted that neighborhoods change over me, although he
sympathizes with the neighborhood feeling threatened with this building. He cited the
general principle that ambiguity must go in favor of property owner. It is clear that the
Town must work on figuring this stuff out in the future but we have the BZA must rule
on what is currently here. He referenced some other nearby loca ons where similar
conversa ons are happening as well as in large ci es. He said Planner West did a clear
job of laying out the situa on as it is now, like it or not, although he expressed sympathy
for the neighbors concerns.
Jones stated that all the arguments heard today have validity but maybe not for this
board. The BZA's scope is limited and he agrees with Dean and Billington what their job
here is. The only ques ons is if the described use of the property falls into the category,
and if there is ambiguity, it has to go in the favor of the land owner.
Lamb asked for clarifica on of 10 beds vs 10 people. Planner West clarified this is
relevant to building code in R3 use type, there are one and two family homes as well as
a lodging house. Some people were confused about a "lodging house" which is an owner-
occupied house that includes no more than 5 rooms to rent and no more than 10
occupants. This is, however, the building code and is relevant to dis nguish between
using the residen al building code or the general building code. Ten also comes up in
tourist home use, in commercial zones A and B, tourist homes with up to 10 beds are
allowed, and in C, more than 10 is allowed. Lamb also asked if there a legal defini on of
primary and secondary? Planner West said there is one for primary use, and that for a
tourist house, the whole house is a "primary use." Part of that defini on is that a rental
for compensa on is permi ed provided that the use is "secondary" to the occupa on of
the home by a family - and what that "secondary" means is not further defined.
Possible findings Planner West cited (and posted on the screen for folks to see as he
typed)
●Landowner indicated that rentals will only be for less than half a year
●BZA has previously issued variance to allow large gathering space in Ithaca
college Home in this neighborhood
●Zoning is in deroga on of common law and ambigui es must be construed in
favor of property owner
●There is ambiguity in terms of how zoning defines Tourist home, specifically
what "secondary" means.
Lamb added her feelings on how complex this proposal feels, and how she
understands why the residents brought it as an appeal.
●The BZA does not have the authority to change the zoning, only to interpret at
wri en, only ques on is whether or not the proposal, the Board agrees the
proposed use is a tourist home.
MOTION to pass Resolu on 2 of 2023: To Affirm the staff use determina on as it stands
. with the cited findings
Moved by Jones.
Discussion:
Dean requested to add a recommenda on that the Town Board and Planning Board
formulate more specific requirements and defini on and restric ons on tourist homes
and airbns.
Billington asked to add a statement that the PB and TB come up with a method for
enforcing what a tourist home owner has indicated they will do in order to keep the
impact to a minimum. Dean wondered how prac cal that was or if a new zoning law
amendment would actually be required for that.
West clarified that the Town Board has started a process to work on understanding what
the residents want for short term rentals. He also clarified that currently you can buy a
house and rent it out as an airbnb. He cited a past board decision on Olivia Vent’s
property, and that what current Supervisor Gagnon said is correct under current zoning –
if the owner does not live on site, the house can be rented as an airbnb. He explained
that a process is star ng regarding accessory units on proper es and that the Town
Board is planning to expand that to include all short term rentals.
●BZA recommends that the Town Board and Planning Board work together
to clarify defini ons and enforcement for uses that include short term
rentals.
Jones suggested the neighborhood look at adding convenants to the neighborhood as a
way to prevent new houses being built as rentals. Planner West clarified they can sue
people as individuals if they violate the convenants. Lamb added that the BZA is limited
in their scope.
Mo on seconded by Dean.
The mo on passed.
In favor: Billington, Lamb, Dean, Jones
Lamb thanked everyone for a ending and speaking to them.
4. ADJOURNMENT
The mee ng was adjourned at 8:41 p.m.