HomeMy WebLinkAbout2021-02-17 Town Board MinutesRoll Call :
Town of Danby Town Board
Regular Second Monthly Board Meeting
Wednesday, 17 February, 2021 at 7:00 PM
via Zoom Video Conferencing
Meeting Minutes
Town Board
Joel Gagnon, Supervisor
Leslie Connors
Jim Holahan
Sarah Schnabel
Matt Ulinski
Town Justices
Garry Huddle
Town Planner
David West
Town Bookkeeper
Laura Shawley
County Legislator
Dan Klein
Recording Secretary
Janice R. Adelman, Town Clerk
Public Attendees: Amanda James, Bruce Richards, Hayden Brainard, Ted Crane, Katharine
Hunter, Ronda Roaring, Margaret Corbit, Earl, Jonathan Zisk, Jeremy Holmes, Jethro Forbes,
Nancy & Tom
1. Call to Order at 1902
2. Public Hearing opened at 1903
Manaizement Plans for Town -Owned. Undeveloaed. Forested Prooerties
2.1. Dan Klein spoke mostly in support but with a few caveats to language (see Exhibit 1,
written comments submitted to Town Clerk).
2.2. Ronda Roaring opposes the plan and recommends her own written plan.
2.3. Jonathan Zisk, CAC member, acknowledged the work that he and George did to
produce the document; they've incorporated 95% of the public comments received
and continue to welcome comments as nothing is written in stone and the document
can still be adapted.
2.4 Public hearing closed 1913
3. Privilege of the Floor
3.1. Ronda Roaring spoke out against Item 10.1 (a resolution calling for more local control
of COVID-19 vaccine distribution.
3.2. Ted Crane spoke about Item 10.2 (to initiate on open area devolpment process at 250
Marsh Rd) suggesting that more time was needed for the option to be considered
prior to bringing it to the Planning Board.
3.3. Dan Klein spoke about Item 10.1 having read the letter for the first time after hearing
Ronda Roaring's comments. Klein described what is happening in county legislature
regarding a waiting list (not exactly what Item 10.1 is about). However, Klein pointed
out that several county legislators have been asking to establish a waiting list, with
Tompkins County responding that it is not legal to do so, despite that at least 3 other
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counties in NYS have established a waiting list. Klein continues to argue in county
legislature for a waiting list to be implemented.
4. Correspondence
4.1. None.
5. Announcements
5.1. Engineering Planning Grant Application submitted at the last minute for a $10,000
award.
6. Additions/Deletions to Consent Agenda
6.1. None.
7. Approval of Consent Agenda
7.1. Warrants
7.1.1. General Fund Abstract 4: Vouchers 42-61 for $12,419.54
7.1.2. Highway Fund Abstract 4: Vouchers 28-43 for $77,165.61
7.1.3. Water District Abstract 4: Vouchers 9-12 for $493.50
7.1.4. Danby Fire District 2021 Contract: $559,000.00
7.2. CAC 2020 Annual Report
Resolution 45 of 2021 To Approve Consent Agenda
Moved By: Schnabel Seconded By: Holahan
Vote:
Councilperson Aye No Abstain
Connors X
Holahan X
Schnabel X
Ulinski X
Gagnon X
Resolution 45 approved.
8. Additions/Deletions to the Regular Agenda
8.1. None
9. Old Business
9.1. Correspondence Policy, Revised
Discussion revolved around the intent of the policy, what is the goal, and how is it
accomplished. Schnabel will be lead writer for revisions going forward.
Item tabled until next meeting for review.
9.2. Amending Rules of Order: Agenda Creation and Distribution
Resolution 46 of 2021 To Amend Rules of Order
Moved By: Gagnon Seconded By: Holahan
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9.2.1. Clarification was made regarding the quantity and type of days that the agenda
must be made final: it remains 48 hours allowing for a potential Saturday
deadline ahead of Monday meetings.
9.2.2. Additional friendly amendments included re -ordering the sequence of events,
and when supplemental materials such as vouchers and warrant abstracts
needed to be submitted to the Board for review. Gagnon accepted the
amendments.
Vote:
Councilperson Aye No Abstain
Connors X
Holahan X
Schnabel X
Ulinski X
Gagnon X
Resolution 46 approved.
9.3. Review and ADDroval: CAC Manaeement Plans for Town -Owned. Undeveloaed
Forested Properties
9.3.1. Given the comments raised by Dan Klein during the public hearing portion, the
Board wishes to defer voting on this until there has been enough time to
consider the additional comments and suggested modifications.
9.3.2. The report is in the Board's hands; Connors is designated the lead person to
incorporate any additional proposed edits.
9.3.3. Tabled until next meeting.
9.5. Resolution 47 of 2021 To Opt in to Loader Program for Highway
Moved By: Schnabel Seconded By: Connors
Vote:
Councilperson
Aye No Abstain
Connors
X
Holahan
X
Schnabel
X
Ulinski
X
Gagnon
X
Resolution 47 approved.
10. New Business
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10.1. Resolution 48 of 2021 Calling for More Local Control of COVID 19 Vaccine
Distribution
Moved By: Holahan
Seconded By: Connors
Vote:
Councilperson Aye No Abstain
Connors X
Holahan X
Schnabel X
Ulinski X
Gagnon X
Resolution 48 approved.
10.2. Initiate Open Development Area Process for 250 Marsh Rd — Refer to Planning
Board for review and recommendation and declaration of lead agency in
environmental review
10.2.1. This issue is a difficult one insofar as Supervisor Gagnon has been working to
figure out a way to enable some development on this proposed subdivision
without opening floodgates for further development throughout the town down
the road. It is complicated because the property touches the road on the corner
(about 20ft of road frontage) resulting in two of the three resulting lots
becoming land -locked because of the road frontage. By right, this property could
be subdivided by extending the road into the property by the abandoned section
of Deputron Hollow, giving road frontage that would allow for subdivision. The
current owners wish to keep the resulting center parcel running the road all the
way to the center. This is an expensive option and would disrupt much of the
trees. Alternatively, if the goal is to minimize environmental disruption, the way
to do this would be by right of way and not by street, meaning creating an open
development area. Town Attorney Guy Krogh suggested this because it allows
access by right of way instead of frontage. Supervisor Gagnon proposes creating
an open development area.
10.2.2. Discussion revolved around the suddenness of the proposal without having
had time to review, consider, and walk the land; as well as the complexity
around wanting to be protective of that area as the headwaters for 6-Mile
Creek.
10.2.3. Gagnon is asking the Town Board if they are willing to create an open
development area, which can be requested by the applicant or brought by the
Town Board; either way, having an open development area would minimize the
environmental impact.
10.2.4. The proposal from the buyers is to have the future ability for buyers'
descendants to build homes; if buyers or descendants sell the property out of
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the family, the new buyer is no longer able to build additional homes on the
parcel.
10.2.5. The parcel cannot currently be subdivided because it does not have the road
frontage. However, if the buyers create the frontage (which is within their rights
to do), it will create an even larger impact to the area. All of the buyers' requests
to date have been thought out over months to reduce impact to this area.
10.2.6. Gagnon asks how to deal with a parcel that will ultimately be subdivided so
that the environmental impact is minimal. The rest of the Town Board are not
prepared to make any decisions without doing more research.
10.2.6.1. The decision for open development rests with the Town Board with
input from the Planning Board. This will give time to think about and research
potential options. If the Board is willing to entertain the possibility of open
development action, Gagnon recommends the TB be the lead agency on
environmental review; the community can weigh in, the Planning Board can
weigh in, and the Town Board will come back to it.
10.2.7. The Board's will is to not take this up now and table it until a special meeting
can be held at least one week from today (Monday, March 1).
Resolution 49 of 2021 To Schedule Special Meeting for March 1, 2021 at 7pm
Moved By: Schnabel Seconded By: Holahan
Vote:
Councilperson Aye No Abstain
Connors X
Holahan X
Schnabel X
Ulinski X
Gagnon X
Resolution 49 approved.
11. Discussion of Next Meeting Agenda
11.1. No discussion.
12. Adjourn at 22:04
Submitted by Janice R. Adelman
Town Clerk
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Exhibit 1. Written Comments from Dan Klein re Property Management Proposal
I have a somewhat lengthy statement to make. Thank you in advance for listening to
my remarks. I will be submitting these written comments to the Town Clerk for
inclusion in the record.
In general, I am supportive of the plans, with one big exception and one small
exception.
This phrase is used in the document: "Selective cutting if needed for tree health and
disease management". At another point this phrase is used: "not to be logged, except for
forest health". I would like to challenge these phrases, and the idea behind them.
What does it mean for a tree to be "healthy"? In a park or an orchard or a residential
yard, what that probably means is "esthetically pleasing" or "producing a maximum
amount of a specific product for humans". That is fine for those settings. But a forest can
be a natural place, and esthetics and human -focused products are not particularly
relevant factors if the goal itself is maintaining a natural place, as I feel it should be in
this case. In a park, orchard, or residential yard, a dying or dead tree is something that
probably needs management. But in a natural forest, no management of these trees is
necessary. Just the opposite. They add value to the forest ecosystem in terms of nutrient
recycling, habitat for insects, birds, fungus, and other organisms, and they perform a
Darwinian role in that the survivors are those best adapted to the current conditions.
Similarly, the phrase "selective cutting for disease management" has little meaning to
a forest ecosystem. Trees will get diseases. If the goal of having a given tree is to
produce fruit, or provide shade, or look beautiful in front of your house, then yes, the
tree may need to be cut to manage disease. But if the goal of the tree is simply to be part
of a natural ecosystem, then selective cutting for disease management is
counterproductive.
To put it another way, selectively cutting for something called "health" and "disease
management" is a very human -centric way of looking at the forest. This human wants
one thing for these particular publicly -owned forests: a forest in as natural a state as
possible.
The term "old -growth" was eliminated as a goal for the Deputron Hollow parcel,
and mentioned just once for the Sylvan Lane property. I would like to see this term
made more prominent. It is a legitimate and professionally -accepted idea that one can
manage for old -growth, and I think we should enthusiastically embrace this term.
Except for the "health" management issue that I previously addressed, I think these
plans are old -growth plans, and that is why I support them.
In my written remarks, I cite one scientific paper. If your have the time, I urge you to
take just a few minutes to look at it. It is an easy -to -read, research -based, peer -
reviewed, meta -analysis that provides the research unambiguously showing that
leaving forests intact is the absolute best management tool in terms of carbon
sequestration and biodiversity.
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Old -growth is the rarest piece of biodiversity in Tompkins County, throughout the
region, and throughout most of the country. We have a 30-acre piece of old -growth in
Newfield, a 30-acre piece in Trumansburg, and that's about it for Tompkins County.
The Town of Danby is in a unique position to manage for old -growth for a few
reasons. 1) We are not under any regulations to produce timber as are state and
national forests. 2) We do not pay taxes on this land. And 3) the Town of Danby will,
theoretically at least, exist forever. I challenge you to find another entity other than
governments that meet those 3 conditions. We should not take lightly this special
position we find ourselves in.
I would also point out that managing for old -growth is the easiest thing for a
government to do. Virtually no staff time is required, no funds are required, and no
decision -making is required.
There are a number of management tools that can be used in conjunction with
managing for old -growth. The one that is not compatible with old -growth is commercial
logging. Here is a list of some management techniques that are compatible with old -
growth: invasive species management, control of deer, hiking and cross-country ski trail
construction and maintenance, erosion control, selling of carbon -offset credits, seed
collection, vernal pond installation, replanting, reintroduction of blight -resistant
American Chestnut trees, research, education, recreation, hunting, and cutting of a small
number of trees that may endanger a road, powerline, or other human infrastructure,
A person might look around at our landscape in Danby and think, "We have plenty of
forests here, what's the big deal?" Forests live longer than humans do, so it is necessary,
and a little difficult, to look at timespans of several hundred yearswhen thinking about
forests. If you went back 100 years ago, you would have seen far far fewer forests in
Danby. There may still be plenty of forests in Danby in another 100 years, but maybe
not. It should not be hard to imagine that with population growth, population migration,
and increasing worldwide demands for natural resources, our forests 100 years from
now might be only a fraction of what they are now. I am not aware of a single instance of
an entity who preserved forestsand later wished they had not done so. All of this goes
double for old -growth. Managing for old -growth is a gift to the future, and you are in a
unique position to be the stewards of this gift.
I believe that inspiration is one of the rarest things in the world. Protecting a forest so
that it can mature into old growth is an act that will inspire people. We all could use a
little inspiration.
A comprehensive, easy -to -understand, unambiguous study that makes the case for old -
growth is:
"Intact Forests in the United States: Proforestation Mitigates Climate Change and
Serves the Greatest Good"
William R. Moomaw, Susan A. Masino and Edward K. Faison
Frontiers in Forest and Global Change, 11 June 2019
1 https:[/doi.org/10.3389/ffgc.2019.00027
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There are literally hundreds of research papers that could be cited to support various
aspects of the case for old -growth. The above -cited paper is a research -based, peer -
reviewed, meta -analysis, meaning it examined more than 90 other research papers and
reports and drew broad conclusions based on the specific research of others. It states
unambiguously that leaving forests intact is the most effective management tool in
terms of carbon sequestration and biodiversity.
Dan Klein
56 Durfee Hill Rd.
February 17, 2021
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