HomeMy WebLinkAbout2014-06-19 Planning Board MinutesT o w n o f D a n b y P l a n n i n g B o a r d
M i n u t e s o f P u b l i c H e a r i n g a n d R e g u l a r M e e t i n g
J u n e 1 9 , 2 0 1 4
Present:
Joel Gagnon
Anne Klingensmith
Frank Kruppa
Ted Melchen
Jim Rundle
Steve Selin
Naomi Strichartz
Others Present:
Acting Secretary Patty Jordan
Code Officer Sue Beeners
Town Board Leslie Connors
Public Linda Hansen, Vincent Kotmel, Bill Kuhns, Selene Kuhns, Verna Little,
Edward Shay, Nancy Kotmel, Rick Kline, Ted Crane, Erin Oates,
Colleen Strong, George Kozak, MaryAnn Kozak, Jake Brenner
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:05pm
Public Hearing to consider granting a Special Permit to William E. Kuhns, III for a proposed Automotive Re-
pair Shop, 1753 Danby Road, Commercial Zone “C,” Tax Parcel 7.-1-93.
Kruppa read the public hearing notice.
The following communications in opposition were received related to the proposed auto repair
shop:
06/05/14 – Gladys M. Varona-Lacey (1882 Danby Road)
06/19/14 – Email from Olivia Vent (1839 and 1849 Danby Road)
06/19/14 - Vincent and Nancy Kotmel (1763 Danby Road) provided each member of the Board with a
packet of information. The packet contained a memo from the Kotmels in opposition to the proposed
auto repair shop, excerpts of the Town of Danby Comprehensive Plan, a list of concerns, a second
memo listing the conditions the Kotmels would like added if the Board decides to approve this pro-
posal, a petition signed by 43 Town of Danby residents in opposition, a copy of the letter from Gladys
M. Varona-Lacey, an Email from Karen Eldridge of Audrey Edelman Realty, a copy of the site plan
map, and a third memo from the Kotmels in opposition, dated May 14, 2014.
Kruppa asked Kuhns to give a description of the project. Kuhns talked about the portfolio he had
put together for the Board. He stated that there were sections in the portfolio with information about
DEC, DMV, and NY State regulations, his planned safety measures such as eye wash stations and fire
extinguishers, a copy of the contamination control certificate he received from Exxon, a copy of the
site plan map, and layouts of the proposed building.
Vincent Kotmel (1763 Danby Road) stated that he would like the deliberation of this proposal to
be tabled until there is a formal review of the zoning for Commercial Zone “C.” He also read the list
of concerns that was included in the Kotmel’s packet of information. These concerns include: health
hazards from accidental spills and airborne particles, noise pollution, increased traffic, decrease in
property value, fire hazards, hazardous waste disposal, accidental leaks, water contamination, and
change in the neighborhood dynamic. He was also concerned that the site plan has changed and the
building has gotten larger. He indicated that they have talked with a realtor who states that “it seems
logical that having an automotive shop next door could likely reduce the number of buyers that you
would have, should you sell, which could bring down the value.”
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Verna Little (1758 Danby Road) read Section 200 - Purpose from the Town of Danby Zoning Or-
dinance and wondered if this project meets any of the provisions stated in that section. She also stated
that a realtor told her she would not be able to sell.
Rick Kline (11 Benny Lane) stated he stands behind the residents concerned about this project.
He thinks it seems reasonable to have a review of the zoning as this has become a highly residential
area since the zoning went into effect.
Linda Hansen (1870 Danby Road) had several questions. She asked if the project met the zoning
ordinance of 150 feet of road frontage, if mitigation for runoff had been addressed, and if the road cut
had been approved for the new driveway. She also asked if the well would satisfy both the home and
the business. Kuhns replied that there is a lot of water and the well would serve both.
George Kozak (Jennings Pond Road) said that his biggest concern is whether Danby can support
two similar businesses so close together and wondered if that had been considered by the PB.
Verna Little voiced her concerns with the South and East setbacks of the proposed project and
wondered how they would affect the Kotmel’s view. She also stated the concerns she has with her
own view and the possibility of fumes and noise pollution affecting her property which is located
across the street.
Erin Oates (Bald Hill Road) wondered if this was the last public hearing on this matter. Kruppa
responded to describe the steps taken so far and where the proposal stands now. Erin also asked if the
situation could be described simply as, “legally a business has a leg to stand on because of the zoning
but it’s a bad neighbor thing to do?” Kruppa replied to say that everyone is welcome to their own in-
terpretation.
Ted Crane (currently King Road, moving to Comfort Road) hates to see the yard ruined and won-
dered about the impact on the aquifer as the proposed location overlies the aquifer directly. Beeners
indicated that it is a confined aquifer in that location and it should not be getting recharge directly
because it is capped.
Beeners asked Kuhns how many employees he would have and to describe how he plans to han-
dle drainage. Kuhns stated that there will be two employees, he and his partner, David Cady. He plans
to add gutters on an incline run to the ditch along Rt.96B. He also stated that he is trying to make
money and is not trying to be a bad neighbor.
Nancy Kotmel asked why there are so many parking spaces. Kruppa indicated that the site plan
shows the maximum number but that it can be reviewed and reduced if it seems necessary. Nancy
indicated that given the business is by appointment only and there are two bays, she feels there should
only be two spaces. She also wanted to know how tall the building would be. Kuhns answered that it
is to be a 12-foot wall with trusses on top to make it an estimated 18 feet total. Kuhns said he plans to
install a 6-foot fence between his property and the Kotmel property.
Verna Little noted that the water supply runs under the Kuhns property and beyond her property.
She’s concerned that any oil spill would end up in the water supply. Kuhns indicated that the DEC
will test the water once a year and that he’s required to keep a log that the DEC will also inspect once
a year.
Vincent Kotmel asked Kuhns who the true owner of the business would be. Kuhns stated he will
own the building and lease it out to the automotive repair business.
Kruppa read aloud the two communications received from Verona-Lacey and Vent.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:42 pm
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The Regular meeting was opened at 7:42 pm
Privilege of the Floor
Sue Beeners said that a County Highway Department notice was received indicating that Bald
Hill Road will be closed at the bridge starting June 30 through mid-July so that the culvert can be re-
placed. They will restore pedestrian access as soon as they can. Updates will be posted on the web
and in the Danby Area News.
Ted Crane announced “Grill Night,” being held at 4:30 pm on Sunday, June 22, at Jennings Pond.
Additions to the Agenda
Consideration of the Public Hearing to consider granting a Special Permit to William E. Kuhns,
III for a proposed Automotive Repair Shop.
Klingensmith would like to discuss the pre-drafted resolutions issue.
Approval of Minutes
Jim Rundle asked that page 2, paragraph 8 of the draft May 15, 2014, minutes be changed to read
as follows: “In relation to a question on impact on property values, the applicants stated to the Board
that a member of Audrey Edelman Realtors was of the opinion that this would not reduce property
values for adjacent owners. They presented a set of petition papers from several persons (no addresses
were given) in support of their proposal.”
RESOLUTION NO. 29 OF 2014 - APPROVE MINUTES
Resolved, that the Town of Danby Planning Board approves the minutes of May 15, 2014 as amended.
Moved by Gagnon, Second by Klingensmith. The motion passed.
In Favor: Gagnon, Klingensmith, Melchen, Rundle, Selin, Strichartz, Kruppa
Consider Granting Special Permit for Automotive Repair Shop
Kruppa stated that, as he sees it, there are four options: the PB says “yes” to granting the special
permit, the PB says “yes,” with conditions, the PB says “no,” or the PB tables the decision for later
consideration. Kruppa also stated that the perception that the PB decision was a foregone conclusion
was not intended and they will work on the wording of the pre-drafted resolutions.
There was extensive discussion among the PB members regarding whether or not this proposal
meets the requirements of Section 901 – General Considerations Required for All Special Permits of
the Town of Danby Zoning Ordinance. In particular, that it not be detrimental to or endanger the pub-
lic health, safety or general welfare; and that it not be injurious to the use and enjoyment of other
properties in the vicinity or neighborhood.
Strichartz said it is definitely going to be jeopardizing the enjoyment of the people who live there
and she expressed her concern that the space is too small for a building of the intended size. Rundle
agrees that it is too small of a space and too close to the neighbors. He indicated that he would not
want it next to him and would not buy a house with an automotive repair shop next to it. The impact
on the neighbors weighs heavily with him.
Klingensmith asked for an overview of the history of the zoning in this area. Gagnon responded
to say that there was very little commercial zoning in Danby so the Commercial Zone was extended
to Gunderman Road but it was not given much thought to whether it should be “A,” “B,” or “C.” He
stated that almost all are “C” because property owners wanted the flexibility for future commercial
use. Klingensmith indicated that she might feel differently regarding the impact on the Kotmels if the
neighbor on their other side wasn’t the masonry. As it is, the Kotmels would be “sandwiched” be-
tween two commercial businesses and she can’t see how that wouldn’t impact their property values.
Kruppa stated that if this creates a commercial corridor in that area, it could potentially create value.
Strichartz indicated that it is more a quality of life issue that she is concerned about.
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Klingensmith says that there is a justification for saying yes as Lane’s is just down the street and
the zoning ordinance says it can be permitted, but not necessarily that is required that it be permitted.
She wondered how this fit in the vision for the hamlet. Strichartz said it doesn’t fit in with the Com-
prehensive Plan. Gagnon stated that the zoning ordinance doesn’t fit in with the Comprehensive Plan.
It was noted that it is zoned commercially but it has changed somewhat into a more residential, dense
area. The question of whether the proposed business is compatible with the neighborhood was raised.
Rundle said that the law regarding special permits gives the Board the ability to make judgment about
particular applications. He said that this application is very close to a house and to him it fits directly
under the guidelines the PB is supposed to be taking into consideration. He stated that he feels it’s his
duty as a Board member to read and apply the considerations under these circumstances.
There was discussion of tabling the decision pending review of the zoning laws. There was gen-
eral agreement that the Board should not table this decision with the idea of changing the zoning laws
before considering this proposal. It was agreed that Kuhns deserves a decision based on the current
zoning. Gagnon suggested looking at the zoning laws after this decision has been made.
Klingensmith stated that there is not a lot of water in Danby and the aquifer is highly valued.
While NYS regulates this kind of business, accidents do happen. An accident would have a big im-
pact on the water supply. This is an aquifer that everybody uses and should always be considered in
PB decisions.
Kruppa pointed out that a NYS highway runs right in front of the property. He felt a truck spill
would be a bigger impact than a spill from the automotive repair shop. He stated that not all risk can
be eliminated and the idea is to put controls in place to make them as unlikely as possible. Strichartz
commented that to her right now Danby Road is highly residential as defined by the people who live
there and the majority are opposed to the proposal. She feels it is the PB’s job to make sure that their
quality of life stays.
There was discussion of the steps the applicant has taken to mitigate the concerns that have been
raised. Kuhns showed the Board the building layout from his portfolio and described his mitigation
plans including limiting parking, taking out the back bay to mitigate noise, installing double insula-
tion walls, putting up a fence between his property and the neighbor ’s property, placing the air com-
pressor on the side of the building away from the Kotmel’s house and enclosing it in a box, installing
a fan for air circulation so the bay doors can be kept shut, and by scheduling repairs by appointment
only during the hours of 8am-4pm. Kuhns also stated that there will be no external lighting facing the
Kotmel property, there will not be a floor drain in the building, they will not be painting vehicles, and
that the business will fall under the “Conditionally Exempt Small Quantity Generator” level of the
DEC regulations. He indicated that Casella will handle the hazardous waste disposal and that burned
out lamps will be taken to Tompkins County Solid Waste Center. He indicated that the dumpster will
hold office waste and may contain his household waste. The dumpster will be hidden behind fencing
and will be emptied once a week. Kuhns stated that his long-term goal is to provide a trade for his
son.
Melchen suggested tabling the decision until next month. Gagnon, Selin, and Melchen all indi-
cated that they would like more time to think about their decisions. Gagnon moved to table the deci-
sion until next month; Selin seconded. Before the vote, Kruppa wanted to know what needed to be
done between now and the next meeting in order to move the decision along. Selin wants to see a map
of the area with those opposed and those who support the business indicated on each property. Sue
Beeners said she would put this on a map based on the petitions they have received. It was agreed that
approximately a ½ mile radius would provide a good visual.
Strichartz wondered if the building could be smaller or placed back further on the property. It was
generally agreed that the building could not be smaller. Kuhns indicated that the cost of placing the
business further back on his property would be prohibitive. Leslie Connors suggested flipping the
building clockwise 90 degrees so that the bays face the Kuhns’ house. It was also suggested that
Kuhns use the existing driveway for the business. Kuhns would prefer for the business to have its
own driveway as his kids use the existing one as a place to play.
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Melchen acknowledged that Kuhns has bent over backwards and hates to see him shot down but
the opposition is significant. There are two neighbors (one next door and one across the street) that
assert that it will be injurious to them using and enjoying their property. Kruppa said that it is com-
mercially zoned and there are other commercial activities in the general vicinity. He also pointed out
that it’s on a state highway. He feels the proposed business is a more appropriate fit for a commercial
zone than residential housing and that residential housing should not dictate how commercial activi-
ties can occur within a commercial zone. Rundle said that the commercial zoning does create a pre-
sumption in favor of the commercial operation and it’s only if it doesn’t meet the requirements that
you don’t approve it. Strichartz stated that the reason it’s incompatible is because it is right on top of
the neighbor ’s house.
Jake Brenner (Gunderman Road) asked about the appeals process. Beeners stated that if there is
an appeal of the decision, it would go to the Town Board for consideration.
Beeners mentioned an Association of Towns article about how the neighborhood tone should not
override the decisions that the PB needs to make and stated that she believes the lawyer would say the
same thing.
RESOLUTION NO. 30 OF 2014 - TABLING A DECISION
Resolved, that the Town of Danby Planning Board tables a decision on Granting a Special Permit to William E.
Kuhns, III for a Proposed Automotive Repair Shop, 1753 Danby Road, Commercial Zone “C,” Tax Parcel 7.-1-93.
Moved by Gagnon, Second by Selin. The motion passed.
In Favor: Gagnon, Klingensmith, Melchen, Selin, Strichartz
Opposed: Rundle, Kruppa
Kruppa will contact the lawyer for guidance and to be a resource for the PB as they make their
decision.
RESOLUTION NO. 31 OF 2014 - SET SPECIAL MEETING
Resolved, that the Town of Danby Planning Board sets a Special Meeting, to be held on Wednesday, July 2,
2014, at 7:00 pm, to consider granting a Special Permit to William E. Kuhns, III for a proposed automotive repair
shop.
Moved by Gagnon, Second by Strichartz. The motion passed.
In Favor: Gagnon, Klingensmith, Melchen, Rundle, Selin, Strichartz, Kruppa
Comprehensive Plan
Kruppa distributed via Email prior to the meeting the proposed changes to the Natural Resources
section of the Comprehensive Plan prepared by Anne Klingensmith. Klingensmith indicated that the
sections that are “grayed out” are the parts that “didn’t speak to her.” She asked the PB members to
let her know if they had anything to say about her revisions. Kruppa handed out the language for the
introduction to the article on the Comprehensive Plan that will appear in the Danby Area News.
Kruppa will Email the “track changes” version of the Housing Section of the Comprehensive Plan to
the board.
Selin left the meeting at 9:20 p.m.
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Pre-Drafted Resolutions
There was discussion of the wording of the pre-drafted resolutions giving the impression that a
decision had already been made. One suggestion was to have two versions of resolutions – one with
reasons for and one with reasons against. Another suggestion was that the reasons for or against
should be the responsibility of the Planning Board. It was also suggested that the wording be changed
from “RESOLVED, that the Town of Danby Planning Board grants…” to “RESOLVED, that the
Town of Danby Planning Board grants/denies….” Kruppa asked for a sample of a resolution of de-
nial. No final decisions were made regarding the wording of pre-drafted resolutions.
Member Item
Klingensmith complimented Kruppa on how he is doing as Chair of the Planning Board. She
commended him for letting the Board discuss the issue of the automotive repair shop for 2 hours.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 9:35pm.
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Patty Jordan, Planning Board Recording Secretary
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