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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMN-BZA-1975-07-07 BOARD OF XONING APP%AR$, CM OF YTl#ACA CtTr RAM, rnW4A, MW YOU JULY T, 1975 A rdWIW meeting of the B*drd of Boming Appeals, City of Meta, was held in Comm Cargill Cb&Wwo, City Ball„ Iduma Now Tack, an .duly 70 1975. PRERRif'P: Pater Ywrtla s cwd remn C. MkWMy Yap WWtW jam Bodine aft" Gastaftm Moon Jones, Dep, Bldg. Comm. and Booretaary 044 Botactiie R eerding Secretary Cbl Bertin owed the wasting listing mrabrars of the Bowed present. the Board opwatem I the provisions of the City Charter of the City of Ithaos and mac the pnmrisione of the Zoning Oedin+umes. The Board shall not bre bound by strict rules of evidence In the emAmt of the bowing, but the dater- mination shall be ceded upon a fiaient legal evidom" to matain the saw. The Dowd rogmets that all pwertisipemts identify themselves as to name and address and eonfi►na them' disuessions to the pertinent facts of the *am under Wtion. socretery Jones nencanced the first careo to be board M LW: mel of Amo rlim Red Cis for was va rrf +a to Section 30.Spt Column 11, at 9101 Wast Clinton stmt in an 1•3 district. W. Arthur Golder gill present the was*. ,ARTHUR GOLIUL: Goetirm m, dw first thing I would like to my is that and this is in faisneser to the Planning Dowd$ failure to eraavoeemd the variance I bolie" was bnrj&t about by the fact that uneartunately the Ithaca Jarernal published a picture of what we Wetended to r►2w be an addition to the facility that tit, and eartainly we have to agree .rich it# that picture was not in keeping with the building itself. That had bow quits auric time back. At the present time, we reuse designed something that is in keeping with the facility. T w mU like this to be passed wound to the vwLous Vis. This is just a rouO sketch. W. MARTIN: Are yon able to leave this with us in for the bowing and hese it Wwous pwt of the record of the howl*&? MR. COLMz Yes. MR. MTIK: As Chayes bring passed srouaaad, you ,laht jus outline fes us the parectse dif f eulty you haus with the Zmftg Ordina m e, in other wards, the Issues that baring you to us fur a warriaeaa . I R. s well$ far Xus the an do east side of the proposed structure ubL*b p being a corner lot* calls four a mint== 10 foot froute4get the *me as the naerth siege ihfth fteas C int= Street. drat we're asking far is 18 to 20 feet wMah would leave b 1/'1 to 8 in feet recess rather tem the 10 hot required by ter Ordinance. Wit. RTIM: Ibmi, attached to the appeal is a plan, Kne dosesi t show at-eve, Clint= Street U es. it show the present building and the addition, i Aso Z right that Clinton is right hie at the bottom? MR. a Yes. The north side facing Clintons Street is no problism because Mace is apporoximstely 45 or 58 first frontage there from the pars building. Then the other vequire ant is that the structure shouldo t t contain more than 33 of the total lot. If we were to haver this granted, it w=U run about 37%. W. PRUK: got is &oing to be your neo front yard! I pot snmre Clinton Street mould be yaw frmt yard. MR. GOLLM Clinton gtrelet. Year. MR. KQSPAM*- What's the distance from the net► build3.ng to the right of say? M. GOLUR ot TO Clinton Street? M. S PN ', : Yes. MR. GOLM s Let's am. fly alit 20.23 first. MR. LUDI Xt So yoruac eartensiora is about 38 feet. M. GOLIXR a Sol, 28 feint from the priesent building, Now if any of the mobers hw n any questions„ I'd be ,glad to ottaspt an answer. M. WRTZ tt Mould you amplify Ott the papers Sas the appeal ohm in motion with the need for the additional "*"I and the re"on wby this spar CanIt be obtained in a builftag that would comply with the Qrdi>crsnoe. W. GOLMt Well# the present facility Thar t ,eh we used this addi.tion$, and the naffed is urgents are i 4. area for the following reason: 1) Blood bank efforts bit been held in several places - Cormeil Univeceity# Ithaca college, National Gash, wage., all at distant points, makLAg it necessary to transport food, coffee& eetc., to these distant places. In the case of emeripacy flout requests, it has been necessary to resat space in the downtown n area. 2) The addition would provide spaee for first aid classes t tch b bow Previously held frequently trice a nth in rented space at tbaa ids I=, thaf gbts of Cobb building and other planes at quite reasonabl rates. 3) The addition would provide spode for the owes of lice or flood victims on a t�peraety basis. fitly a mall family we taken *nrea of in present quarters, but if it had been more then one fa dly, it mold becae beez necessary for us to rent motel room or any available living units. Training will be provided for ssarvd ce to military familiest volunteers. C'laeow will be Feld in the am space ibich will giver us a chance to e3Wsnd this service and to boodle it more expedit- ously. That about sums up the need. There are a number of other oonsidwations that perhaps ..3'. would not be so wye but these we dw Urgent 'needs. M. BARN: And ran you explain x, to tis %by this additional required space, or needed space l cannot be accotopl shed by an add .tl on that rrmIA bsve the re:,quixed setbacks. is it steely not feasible? MR. Gift That•s right. We Just don't ham the s�+e. This is dcee mostly to the Brat that a I OV i ir lot is treated as having taro Armt yards, On the east sided in order to ,got the 10 foot setback, it would arm* us tea etlm% to the Present building. CRARM AAVJ R: May 1 Interject right am with lova I ir o>tsi Arthur! qty 1 k !.good herel M. MARM pleaea identify y4mmself a MR. BAR=: Y a® Cbe rtes Berber and a member of the Board of Directors of the American Red I'm also reeiding at 206 Linn St veto iftob is not in the district in ti bKmt, as a friend of Red Crosse and a �, l world like to speak, We we roquirood by d► National to heves t ova forSetten, mor umber of square beet for a blood book. Can yam tell me dick, ft e number of Square ho eat fW a blood bank? (question asked of Dick Dovidsm s s spectators, vivo repUeee, "Oft* hood, no.") We heve a ou3.niowade re ldreeors-t of squere foot to bold a blood book and dw6 thwe*s mal arg eniaattf nett in tett 014t have wished to sponsor blood b ► but do not have the square foots". This is what saga minimam square f potaV we acct"lly based oan, plus the font than In am first aid classes we have firand that we*" O wcagw Ing 30 to 50 people per *1009 and far stretcher training and the other lift traino ing, and so on, we bw e to hwe thin soar* room. That's why itat in an L Afto Wo could have classes in ane side and training sessions in the other silo, with: we h"es a sliding partition's between the two. S* half the class could be in training and the Other half in lectures. av all of the" things retire thought *f beforehaaard. And alb* the City flaming Department hat re"est ad that the Red Crass sponsor a apprd and elderly buss soxmico in Ithwa , and we felt there was a rioted for this service and therefcro, w have applied to the ftate and F*deral government fm this grant that tha y have for it. We put ter 20% far the "amwe ins agenaies,, so mo we Planning oat the Clinton Street she of this„ a wheel Choir ramp with a outing Groom with ebrtirs, tables., reading materials for this handicapped, In other wotnds# wea`ll bri then do tctrw , They'l l have no plows to wait for tbae bus„ •7• and we011 bring them back hoses. Ve hiatus a drivemy foot the Clinton Street side vxm. As aenlirancet there with a wheel chair rare so that we can wheel thm right up and into the 'hes. So dds is Just one of the imptps, features that: we wanted Into it. We have nv public faailitlas. to other vwds, if some other unit such as the vrhisteers wasted to have a training aesaiOn p we htevo 00 UGLUtION to loan thecae afar this purpose. This room would becoree avoilablae far of beac agencies to use at no chug* for txaao-q, —mat oa few the olderlyi v&*re also hoping somWlsy to got broille boalm in there for do blbW "threw are all thi pt that the board haat been thinking aboutiv and the yeas= the 'bond is requesting Ott Wil. . Gam: Thank yob Chuck. I think that adds a whole lot to the edification on o►f do beard. erre s my other qmertions? W. KW=t Do any srbers of the Sward have apart Y MR. CA#' Z=t Where would this wheel chair rare be plasedt lam. BAR: Us wheat chair ramp is a ramp mblah Is designed by an mahitwt with the am $tato atamrdt aht. W* along the easterly side of the wing with at door to the south. it would be peva lUl to Clinton Strost, Mt. CAM t gat is an the east aide of da pcepwtyo a rosidaeneae1 MR. Ammt Rog just: a sit with a hs4p betwom ass and 'Me*ll baring thm back home. We have a driveway lour the Clinton Street side nor. An sent cau ce, there with a wheat chitir raae>* so that we am Waal them right up and Into the bus. So this is just one of the aeztra foatwme thatwe wantedInto it. We no public facilites. to other words, if sum other unit snch as the valuatems Wanted to have a txa a aweesa LOU, wet haW UO hili to loan thea for this Pu rpose. This room would become available far other agencies to u0s at no charge. For traasuepaoactart the elderly; we* re also hoping someday to gat braille barite in tyre frac the bland. These am all t1da that the board has been thinking about, stand the reason the bomxd is reqmstlus this l• W, GGIMa Thank you Cbmk. I tbtnk that odds a whole lot to the editkation of the board. Are there any acether questLoos t 3R. NM=t bo my � i mrs► of the mrd hate questions? ZSR. CAMS=: Move would this wheel chair raaeaeV be planned? MR. mak: She wheel chair camp is a raaeep whUhh to deoigned by an aerabitest with the am State ata rt0 Ites along the "Otaerly Sid* Of the wing with a door tate the south, It moald be parallel to CUmtos Street, M# GAMMMUt "at is an do east side of theopo<a ty,* a residsace4 MR. MR=: Bo* Snit a street with a hsdgae beefiaram us and the sidewalk. MR, tit'le,Mt And across the street from there, there to the School MR, MARTINI Any further question*? Thank you. Is theory anyone +eIse here this evening who w=U like to Speak in fsvor of this appeals this Lvqwut for a v rLasaee? We have mal wLtt en cammmications. I vill# with yew Indulsew # rum through them quickly. The first is Janet Cantrell, 228 South Geneva St et. Gentle wn Nape fuller: you vi ll not be by the Planning Eosxrd s sit ratber surprising . ng objection to a variance for the Red Cram building, corer of Clintoa and Geneva Streels. ]] It may hie been a de cUlan mss in s state of shock, following the sawwbat bystorical idea of a 106 story building in Beautiftl Domto"n Ithaca, and not a reasoned deralaei+aa actually, the house is qusstLon has already been same4wt al bered even since we wwed to 228 Swth Geneva in 3951. 1 am evAslan much verse things U& them alleging this rather modest vatUtioo.--oin fact# so rAny already ham happened, tbatthis seem straininS at a gnat after having swallowed 9 vast mmAbers of cauls. Sincerely yours* Next, see reamed at 520 Soutb Street. i would like to am Red Cross bov e an addition for instructim, rete, I bm i begged and paid from v am pocket fw alas space fear first aid fW 30 plus yesers. I am sure that it would set butt air nein hood and could be a cr .t to Y Next, Mrs. Woodrow mer of 207 Wast CU Street. To Whoa It Ma Coned": As owners and residents mot door to the Amwim can Rad Cross# we leheaartedly support request for a variance of waning regtions in order to build an a"ition to their t faeility. WoodCOW WM=W, YAXCelU V4rDW. To Whom It May Caaneerr; As owners aid resi.* dents of 16.313o South Gone" eet* which is adjacent to the propwty occupUd by the local chapter of the Amer am R" +Cross o we have no objection on to the addition proposed for a teaching facility an the east side of the present building to the had&* &I=& the sidewalk on South G Street# std Una the construction is in keeping with the character of the existing strvctme. Virginis Bell, Lawrence Bell. to there anyone here this eveniag Wo v=24 Uke to speak in opposition to this requ"ted variance? I notice W, Coact is presento Do you wast to explain the --ti-M of the Planning Bom-d Mr. Cart? THM VAN +CORT Thank ymm Professor Hertin. I "It to speak tonight, I Game awe to obou-m, 100 but I think it: =Lgbt nil a little explanspa tion » the flacning Dowd** recannimdatim an this uses. It is a very difficult cane bocause of coarse we all support that v ork of the tbd Cross* and Ott to be swo it they as +mote to do the kind of vark they bm in the City and In the Citys but the ream the Plsmai S Board rsa 4144 the ' 146", is that they felt that do addition would brace a negat:,vae of6wt an the nei 1 bb ,arbvod# because it would aftniffmotly altar the ehwaate r of the buil In goestiono ,► XMINS W. Golder suggssted perbq* bele yvA cam In that the v -I ation of do flannixg Board cry have been clods bad an an earlier Vie, and than be Oboved vs a Ptah plan of a now addition. MR. VAN COM Tia Planning Dowd had no strath at &ILI , We a building of roughly that eactiSmae tion o roily d 1/2 to g fact high, =aybe a little less o 1 4o u t t hoar qtly batt blo the proposed, 44"tim is. It** nonetheless In the front of the building.# both bunt sides# that is both sides that two dao stoat. voc anybody waw 'bys it v uld be curly visible, Any adult could see ovu the bodp and am an *%ponse of roof, oftbor that, ar they would tees an expmee of wall drepa O an how they txaat the badsa;. Thrace to .6110 oe 01"tioa that tds wsutld altw the 01salficantly. Me oftmnoom i I took the tim to W*Ik SCOUDd toga dud s saerw of the additiaas dist haw baa pat an builoft dot wa built is de six aterth "aturys and it twal has t* be dare with creat sftsitivity if it isa't to *heap the abiWactW of the baild'i s I d"s t kam the slpe of the Rod Cas build k: but it 10 a *U* elf baiUS25• Itis $Maly oUw dean 75 yew*$ and tett W" the tessm the PUMU4 Dowd felt that it sbauld W.-core�wwerd to you that a isme not be STMt+ed. They IFrca�ree-�tad In theft' wig Hca uae that Ole be ' swot back mad that awdw ambdL wct a aal p1m be dram tt uL&t be see sypsle to the basic c a w, of the buUdinx• And I kDm tit$ to a vwy diff ult Wks an UbjAh to *she a x Iii e I r�dat Lm drat is not as the ffit`oaaft of 4maLty W an tine g'omft of # but rathm an tie trdrr that it will brake that the sr 000 ties of the baildiam will Bret b* ie in& with tha 40datins stzuatum s but that is thr ports that the PUMixeg BOW4 above to ash as 0 XASPR : You add it w i &at high buiIdug. l lm make a mistahw at do you "ally arm thst. M►. VAN C(KT: Not I really mm that. I assume that that#s the height. 1R. RAi t Is this above the Vwund and the rest boijq below the gam? MR. VAN CORTt iba►tIs right. I donit know It ym'evo saae the plana !RI think the sketch is sli$btly aeisleading. I had ae picture of it being a little bit aware abon the ground. It"a 3 feet t below the peaaand according to twee d�raearas +e r have, th rrrefav e, I vouu have to say it mould have to be at least 6, 7 foot above tis ground. !R. GOLMt 7 feet S inches, possibly granter then that, became ub tt we we Ondug for is ' to baring it out on a level with the first flow of the old building. !R. RArl dx: Vby► did you *beale the flet roof and flat structure. Any roam for that? MR. s Just so that it am be architrec raelly right. 1R. as ZAK Deni argue on arebitoctual growds Airtg breavaso you have no US to stand can in this ppartioular case, but is d rree any other reason than sc abiteatmal? IR. so=: "haste asses in the arrigiDOI pham. we had a doear�aeay► to the bmt that we owe bov ng in real hot m eathrar •• we do not haw air cou ditioaa ing, we do not have air coatUtieno in the pis. We thought an go" dot ve 4WU— could possibly teach some of our classes out there on the roof. We Ira hoping to he" it high enough. It's am of tha things we vers, thinking about. We I d like a little, railing around it so that if kids car people mot vaUdn8 by, they do not just r+eanh and t1"ow things up on the roofiiia wanted this high snough so that this does not happen. I'd like to make use mate stateorent hater. As one of the letters pointed out, part of that building does date back to the +really 1984•s. The section that weOre► building as dates back to the 195010. MR. VAIs COST: I sae. I am that there is definitely as early part of the buil and a latera addition. I didn't know wbon the later addition was built. The later addition does - it is vwy sympathetic to the orig- inal building. It has flush sld g,- : Both the addition and the original stmtmo had flush siding, an the Clinton Street side and overlapping siding an the Canon Street side, and it** quite slaeilaar in a lot of respects. MR. Couldn't you build the rmhols story above 8g` = M. DA s: We could, definitely. This would saus us the ramp, but we felt that it would be W14 awe pleasing to the if we kept it a lone profile so that they could still see the a ci zinal building behind it. This is what we are trying to achi m. The Board studied the aesthetics an this quite carefully and this is what we came up with the second change on it that Art spoke of. Cr .gfnaa►llya it was planned vdth cinder block malls all the +aawy# and the the Board felt they ue nted to hoop the character of the old building by putting in the son type of finish on the building that we got on the present building. There will be window an the side we hopo# In keeping with the present building. MR. WRTIpt Any further questions? Y**Zd. MR, CAMMU: Nothing has bow said about packing. It aeons to me you're aapaud ng an operation here and using sores space than is usually *Vote d. Can you area mot an this,, because if you're putting large numbers in thers for blood bank opearations, certainly it's 8*ing to congest the neighbarhaeod 0 WACh Off Street parking is thence►? W. 001M: Probably, 1 Odnk crone for 100 120 15 c rs. MR. GAMIMt This is to tbove ox the rt&ht. MR. URM We have it in there an two Was of tha building novo. » G t t oto you'll be reducing it by yearly 5=0 i MR. BAR=: me. The fierce Were using vat not reduce i the poking app In any fir. Wo all a • I xrosa d gra. ve've not c at all Into the pwking we". W. TAN CCKV I'm a little confused am about how bish the roof is actually Soing to be becoxitee ubw I was thwo this aftrseau.f it seemed as if the bottom of the windows# the preen t first float Mi e, a" about 4 1A feet. MR. fiAB=: They're a litrtlo higher tin that. . VAN CONT: Val I don't think theyllre any bi&w the S. Mt. UK=: About 3 flet to and another 3 fit wall above that. MR. TAN CtRT: So the set is 3 plus 3 1/'3 is 8 1j2. That the height' M. VAR COX: I think that will be awe vla bU thwm we thought it would be. I don't think it it any better in t ms of the fid' objection* the ming ms's objection. MR. MARTIN: 'wank you. Is that* anyone else mho wishoo to be heard oa this appeal? That ar howl" an Appeal 1085. *-16•• BOARD OF ZCMXW AJIVATS CITY OF ITHACA JULY 7. 1975 W SAUS 6, No. leg MR. TIN: 1 am that the aaa" earl be granted. MR. SAAM : 1 second tlat. EWAof ma 1) The ovidenco meted ten3ed to ipdi- catm that the :regnic►d additional epwe could not . ossibly be obtained in an add. tion that Uod with the +rest back rs- quests of the +Its+eaee. 1) The domm of somweaufmw amm a is rola-► tiwely vdim only 3 art 4 luoheo of set back and Z, of lot enrage, with the :result that the !rte structuro world not have a sorlaw bfftt ou tie =11* * hood. 3) Mo herd is eeoneWmed. Uk a the Wim- g aowdo about the dssigp of the proposad additions and strongly urges that eefliartis be aade to sow the addition so that it Might be mows eaoistent with the arcbi teataaraal chmsotsrr Of the neigbbraatbsad and the buil d4 ing itself, V0211 US - 3 No * 0 i' BMD CW MING APPEALS, CITY OF ITHACA CITY HALE., IT A, NEW YW ,JULY 79 1975 Secretary ,Jones iced the neem care to be heard. : Appeal of Myron Wosilchak for area variance to Section 30.23, Colum 61v 1010 11, 120 130 14, 13 at 110 Bavthoecnee Placer, in an R-I district. W. Michael Pi+chel will present the case. MICHAEL PICHEL: I think the Board is rather familiar with this appeal. I presented it last sonth, and Mr. W il+chak has amended his appli- cation now,, I think to take +fie of the objection - I %We, to take care of the objection that the Board had. This is an appeal to build a residential structure, a two family duelling at they corner of I Havthorne and Pearsall. This also is a corner lot, and the same problem there of two front yards. In addition, there is an existing structure there - a 3-bay garage, and ho vents to uti ll= that structure and add on to it. The garage goes right to the street lima now, and I think one of the objections was that there was nes set back at all if that garage vas left as it ' was. So the application is now amended to allow, to take 10 foot off the front of that gavage, alma a 10 foot set hack, otherwise, the application is pretty much the same. The way the Zoning 4ardiaeuan+e reads there, you couldn't get any reasonable I 1 structure on the lot. I think it res about a 70 foot building about 8 foot long mould be about all you could put an there!, and that's not a reasonable structure, so he's made this application. The lot cover- age . they do own the lot to the center of the read, and the lot six*. not counting A the road is 55 110. It would be 80 A 110 counting to the center of the road, so if you count their entiro lot to the center of the roads the lot coverage is within the $5%. If you dou"t count the lot to the center of the road, thaeeysre slightly over an the coverage. other them thatp they`re asking for a variance an sat back an the side, fronts and the back yards. Right Doerr, all there Let is a fairly =slightly garage. I don't think it's any benefit to the neighborhood. Lust time there roma some objections by neighbors vho didn't have any objections to a residence there, but they objected to a two family resi+ience. But this is in the R•2 saerea, and I don't think a two family residence is an allowed use, so I don't think he should be ! unread to just go to a single family reside=* because he's in ars k-.Z xone. M. MARTIN: The difference &pin to identify the i difference between the appeal this meth and the prior appeal, is taking off 10 feet from the existing structure so that there will be a greater set back from Hawthorne Place. MR. PICHBL: That's right. Hee w mto to utilise as much of his garage as possible. The last appli- cation pplicat ,on utilized the ale garage v&ieh does go to the sidevalk lige. I from the cownts and from the report of the Berard, that they were unhappy that there was no scot back, so in this applica- tion, he's proposing to dish the ago to the extent of 10 foot back and give him a (rout yard there. As I understand it, there is no hardship in applying for an area vatriaenca, sect he hasn't made any appli- cation on the basis of hardship. The neighbouring properties, almost every prop- arty in that neighborhoods has some variams from the as far as set back :requir+ema Ito. particulaurly these corner lots. They hardly evware cot*letely within the +Ndinanceo M. WATIN: Are there any questions from newbms of the Board? M. VAN 1 TM: The building as outlined,, in"Ives space for parking or garages are incorporated. M. PICHEL: No, here'll be parking on the: side yard -20- as it's allowable. Therese adequate space for parking. We're not asking for any variance on parking. M. VAN MARTER: This ends up with a oras family house with 1,970 square feet. Right? M. pICHELs leo. It's a two faamily hie. It's in an R-2 zone. Two family dereilings are allowed . There's enough frontagee here and hare's enough lot area for a two family home. M. MARTIN Any further questions from ambers of the Board? Oh, I an somacco in the audience nce who has ae question. I think I All ark that questions from members of thet audiewas be reser d until after rsetvo heard out both additional panties and than if you bave a response at that point, you am pat• it. GEOM VISNYEI: Bofors that happens, the question I have to ask is to clarify this. Just tt is be asking for. I'ea not quite clear there at the moment. i Mg. MARTIN: All right. As I heard it, we are asked four ubatt's called area variance 2*ther than use variance. That is, the R•2 son* permits a two family duelling, and if I'm not mistaken, there is adequate: • the lot is of adequate size, tots) square &at for a two family dwelling. The problem come with set buck is yard reequiremeionts, and we're being asked to grant various motif fi- -21- cations of the sat back r is for this sone. MR. PICHKL: 'mere is as- equate frontage and there is ate square footage for a two family dwelling. W. MARTIN: Is your question aDOI --- ? MR. VISNYZI: The basic thing I'm asking here it, 're asking faac a variance in the set back ree to 1, is that it? )R. PICIEL: The set back and the yard six*. The set back and the side yards. MR. VI I: That clarifyo the situation to m now. Thank you. MR. MARTIN: 'You're initial presentation is finished? M. PICHZL: Yes. Wit. MARTIN: Is there anyone else here this avrlenin wbo would like to speak is fawner of the requested area vwerianco? Is there awe her* who would like to speak in opposition, but before hearing emb, let wee aga 4 tread letters that we've ro eivod on this ease. The first is from Donald J. Cullizans County Representative, 2nd District. G ental ems and Lady: I am sorry that: another meeting at the Court Rouse parewemtts se from being is ate at y=w meting tonight. I wast to place my objection, and that of the mei g r'h--A an any two fain Lly resid. enc* being allowed for the lot can the ow.- am wnear of Pearsall Street and R buta ?Jac*. i -22- A one family hem an this lot mould be okay, othe rwiset it dotes not fit iut.o the established neighborhood.. Si rely. The other coieation we hone is from Linda Runes, Aelran Goodman, and Susem Eslingm of 118 Rawthorne Place, ll7 Pearsall Place sot 22 Hawthorne Circle respectively. Vicar Persons: Concerning the property at 110 Itagrtbea a plece, we oppose the application for a varianco if the gargpe presently there are to red►in and be incorporated into that proposed structure. Howve r, we old Dave so opposition to a tiro family residence there if the SweVo were removed. Hopefully,, the property mould be better eared for if there were persons in residence there. Now, those present who would like to speak in opposition to the Variance.. Mr. 'dam Cott. Mt. VAN CORT: The Planning Board referred this to its Codes and Ordinance* Comsitt" which in offset means that they bane no recomutuda. tics, at this time. T belie" it's nay andearstanding that the ZZA needs to wait for that tAlCommakdation. Maybe that's only an use variances. The reason they did that is that it arses their feeling tint the drawings, submitted were 1aet==&te or insufficient rejwesentation of the esisto ing conditions of the site, and didn't .23- sbaw in sufficient detail what the appel- lant wants to do on the site. I'd like to ask his representative whether it is the appellant's intontLan to use the gw&Vs an the site as geroges or as atam a other r MR. PICHEL: The garggc:s are going to be completely renovated. It's going to be one new building as far as the outside appearancea MR. VAN COOT: The garages are not going to be garages. Okays it was the feeling of the Board gibers that since this was a re gwst of variance that it wee the obligation of the appellant to give a pretty good idea of what would occur on this site. And this sketch, while egg aomething about this proposals, really ign©ared a lot of reaal,iti of the sins. It"s a slope and this ohms a level sits. ire ars a lot of otter problems with the drawing that really - this drawlag aske mace gees — than it answers, and toot is why it was rsfrarsd to the Cod" and Qrdiaeaaaass Caudates so that they could look at the Site, perhaps meet with the appellant and got a better We& of Wit» the proposal would look like. MR. MTIN: All right. liakW& up the first polat that you wades "MM17# that it me refarr+ed to ca mittas and therefore, to da"t hams a repast from the Planning Boaurd, I will simply note without resolving the q stlon now, that the Ordinance says that when a variate or special permit is requested.. no Board of Appeals action therean shad be taken until the Ping Board has gi us a report. That language cams from an earlier version of the Code in which it seems fairly clear it's talking about a use variance, but the langmg'e is preserve in the Zoning Ordinance,now in which vaari. ance includes bath area and use variance. So, it uAy bre that under the Ordinance, we can't take action on this case tonight,, and ask for anyone else here who would likm to be heard. HR. VISMI: 21y nate is George Vismyei and I reside at 631 Hudson Street and abut the pray being disewstsrsad. I understand that time I've been up there 2, the sang haaMt been changed. I may be a little bit rambling here for a moment if you'll bear with tee. we were a ==bar cane sone at me time, and suddenly, hoer it haptens, we suddenly change. My understanding was at that time that to build a two story house, the per who own+td the house had to live thsro& but I think that the zone variame, nos, I dna" imagine that is true. I usde a mistake in that. However, I object to this vaeriese. Th'e've been thro u& this property nos, this -25•" is the third tame aroaared ane Malty vac anothm to try to utilise that old strtwo. V been ups there Mme 1948 sad the at n=t ur e has been there. At we time it Mate a vrary good strueata e, but it has deteriorated. Very little has been done to maintain it and since the least meetiag, I bon taken the liberty of circling the property t"bwo and ''looking at the structure, and I pormon ally, if I Mare building, I think it would be a very Jerry built structure use the mUtLag wells, and I think that befaare anything is decided* that this eeryl and structure should be inspected by our City Building Inspectors if I may pert that in, and my fooling, is„ theme encs acne letter* here that a we family hemee would be very desirable, two of aararse, you W is i so I hms no objection there because I cam'r object. ace woe r, there is another tutor that seemis to as baa I t been brousht ups, that in this lot you hove a right: of may by the Now York State ices h Electric which been't bean at all. 'dell, what"si the story an that as far nee the building and so forth is a eerae 10 and which May ars thew Power lines high voltage are aping oat" and around these buildings. Bo, I think do" thin should be considered. I will agalm arrriter'ato the fact that I i --26- object to yaws variances to this building. Thank you vwy aneh. MR. MARTIN: Any +gtaestions? Anyone else who mould life to speak on this subject. Yes? Jom NORMAN: My ntaie is John Narom. I residua sat 112 pear"ll directly amass. lir Property sit& an the comer of mall and Howthones, so ny side yard m uld be directly &crass from the property that we*sealisft—. ng now my concern is the toning lams tbes- "Ives. Now, if its not mistaken, the saying last read am that these bas to be a 15 foot frontage to this area. An I mistaken In saying this? No. I believe that since we had to follow arcing lows, that everybody else should have to follow toning laws. If I want to peat up as stmt uroo I he" to faller thm to than letter and evezymody +elapse should too. The realis tic point of this is that we all how to live up trona. The streets we rqur w. I there is any off street prtrking, we We ahi.ldten who play up there and what I'm mainly axaeecerraed about is that if there are two parked on the sides of the st nwts and this being a serrm street an He -UN- e aand ftwsull., kids "timing In and out tharougb there, 'which thmo are s anal. You cam up by my house any time of the day up to 9 o'clock at night:, and ma's -27,- five or six kids a2mys in my Mopwty* They're always running in and out of the street, and *batt I'm saying is that it will be an extreme baardship on the property oars that blow. chi.'ldren in this areae not only sags ga ng ug and dates that *treat, our main conearn would be the children being hit by one. Nov this is the way I feeel About the pile of property. I now we haw to be realistic abut it. o's certain thi na that law don"t covers and this is one of them. That I a all I bon to say. MR. TIN: Any questions? MR. US1°82G t Would you have objections, or can you bete objections if the structure built dwe was completely meet? Rather than an addition. NS. NORNO: I would 'haw no objection at all. I object to a two family dnalliugo but there's nothing I can do about that. M. USPRZAg: Neil, we bags to asow* that the lam allovs its therefores it *an be built, But what I'm talking about, is are you actually objectin* to the fact that they are planning to add a structure to an e3dsting structure. M. NORNM: we don't like the e3tisting structure and I agree with mt. visnyei that it isn't a Very safe structure. I Can't site wbare it'3 a very safe or a very -sound structures at all. NS. USPLUX: So, you're: objecting to the structure t I veil as the fact that thane is a parking problem that yvu eaviSion. Thank ym. HR. MOTIN t Anyone el" who would hive to be heagrdo cc this case. M. P HBL: Leet as speAk ff r t abut the per. The Ctrdin&ne only asked for a plat plat and an elevation sketch to scale and that's what Ht. Wasilebak has presented. As far as this 'being a slope legit. .. . . M. I TIN: Well, it says a sketch drawing of the Main elevation fadicatt,ns Peropefed balding materials and treatment. It aloes sound a bit more detailed than mutt's been £zurnished. MR. PICHEL: I can add to that if you wish. Maybe that will help:. As far as this being a *I"* lot, this is an almost Leval lot. There Le a slope from the road to the e3dsting garage on one laude, which his intention is to fill which old male the legit almcart level except for one slight slope to his lot. That's going to be his parking area. From the front a evoati.ov the way it's show nowr, it's practically a Level let. M. GMMIt : Where's the parking sr*a to bel' hg. PICHEL: 4n the side. On P%a rsaii side. That's ire if you look at they pleat plan from the end of the garage facLng Pearsall to the other opposite and of the lot, this s is a level lot,, there's a slope from Foarsall 1 wrr�a+W to the end of the mdating garrage* and ft: goes down and it +cues +cam and it#s gaisg to load itself to be pretty =mh smoothed out with a relight atlgw &eie8 dam tour As the building, The existing st nwt a has a oa iete --- and emm*taek block walls. The building has been tre a long time. ThWe Wo so cracks an the walls, am anything like that. That*r why he raents to ut LUX* the existing buL141mg. The roof is going to be two off 1*t*1 and a nor roof up an the gareV with a ear frame building, with a concrete block aftucture nem to it. If tbwo are any othw questions,l ei answer about the 1 Lauf ldiag natarlais or the arcAitectwo of the building* -Ial1 try to do that. I thought that his application was okay as far at the plot plan and the olevatLono There erta no mentian made of that at the last presentations to three vas renally so change minder ren eept for the set beck. M, MTINa Any furrthm gveest s? 1 guess not. That +combades out beariin an c&se ltd. 30. H OF ZCK=G APPZAIA C'IT'!C OF ITRWA E JULY 7 i 1975 ,3 LCIEVEN SAL gt►. VMS: MR. GASUZOM: I make the notion that the Board a4joura the hewing an Appeal 1088 until the next heftUd matting at which time the Board x111 haw av*Llable the report of the Flaming Board concerning solution of sits problow. MR. X48FA : I second that. VOTS: Motion to adjourn Appeal 1488 until the pct sehaduled Ming was unanimously aeee d t DQW cr MUM "N"s CITY OF ITAACA CITY HALL, ITHAiCA, NKW YMK JULY 7, 1975 Secretary Jones maamonnced the nest ease to be howd. AF[ L w0. 1489 a Appeal of will Robert Tooter fear area va rid ate _... ..._..�.�._.w. to Section 30.25p Colne 4* at 311 315 may street in a B•2 district. Mr. Bruce mrd will present tho ease. IRMZ HARD: W. Tester united to be here tonight1e but be vas called ammy due to a death in his Immodiate family* and so I"m representing hies. MR. MARTIN: Perhaps we csn* to save just a bit of time and get to Ott now evidence you have to present to gats -a this case is really beers to the posture of a reqmwt for a re . Tbw* mai scams discnssian at the last rest In which this nas the cam about whether or not the building initially bad the 7 units. YAR. AM: Two businesses and the 7 units. M. MARTIN: There we an impression at that time that the oart id atl had not* and there had been some am s1on is the msNmtims. M. BARD: Wit. MR. TAN MARTZR: Can I maws a statment foes the re cordl I Injected a taught that I vas very positive that the application did not call for 7 and found an exameining the records, that it did, and it ties constructed aceaerdipga to. The hewing of the varimm described i' i r4wx artly as the 2 c==wcial uses and 7 living waits. This was opposed to Ott Z stated last tom, and I hsm to apologize to the appellant and the Board also. MR. ITIS: All Right. go that the OC19£081 a tb& action tskaan and the action being parte upan belief that throe brad been tae ahmp since the initial building. NR. VAN MM: We did ask to got in the records that thatis the way it was vibes we started. I hope that remms any prejudice. I felt very asdcward about it. M. MARTIN: Ss that the building built pummmt to a variance after the prim structs was destroyed by fire did hum 7 4malling, units and 2 bus3aaresoes M M. BARD: That's erect. M. MARS: ,And that's the new evidence that y+ou"r e bringing us tbds eying. In all otbwtar respect* the roast it Its it was beide. IMR. BARS: Yens, and it is a request for parking variance which was tad in the original branch of the structure and we would just like to make the ceded ranamw tions to the building, to UVrove it for habitation and to adjust to the codes as they stand am, and acwtinue a parking area on this particular site. Int. MARTIN: Are tho re quest► from a mbaru of dw Board? Anything else that you went in -330 i the racaard? M. : I think that we went cry it quite voll the last time. I'd be willing to go over it again but to cavo the timet of the fid, if they dim O t hsso WW vastj am... M. MA TM Ualsss Obom are +gu"I'lanso x dant s" the fm that• All right. Thankyou. Is thwo anyone hee tit who would Uko to bo heard in favw of this r Variance? AMMe ltlft hwe t"Isht Oba �wn+atld like to be heard in appositiac? If not* that eamUtdos air bowing an cam 1089. . . f 6 I BOARD or Z+l NaG APMAIS CZTf OF ITHWA JULY 7, 1975 Arm 19 M. MARTIN: I move a that the requested v axrriaagaa be granted . BODMt I hared tb att. Ii M 1) The variace ahtoh per ttod coinatzveta Lou of the existing building without off street parking paraftted a bull L g, of 7 Apaartato and an am of Comaccial e• Any r g t of tbo present budding amt be reasonably accomplished without #om variance RoseP-wedremato of the Edi 2) The *video" preseatod at this bearing and the prior bowing on the requested vwiamce ind a araated problem of cadre PILawe In ventLIation with dw Fent aara rr eauto of awtMents. 3) The evidence presented did not suggest that: the #3anwelou of those units i two large aportawats to fax 0ffia:�2' a"pa 'URN=ts 'bald b4vo at sertwus Of fact Go parking in the aar"s and in effeetp it is possible, it siot decrease the parking baa. ar US . 4 NO . 1 -3351* secretary Jame ammmeed the next Case to be presented. MR. Jam: W. Chairman, the next case it Appeal 1070 the appeal of Coorge Iw ier for area variance to motion 34.230 Column 4„ 8s 9 and 15 at the no rpt and soutbwast corners of State and Cayce t in a H-3 district and dmmvo nobody bels to prrsent; the ease, to you can"t act an it. M. WATIN: That being the case then, uniass theOs further busies to present t* the Boards, that concluders the pbblic se scion. Wo idl] So into Executive Session andd deliberate on the three cases on which we heard evi&MO tonight i ••36•► CERTIFICATION to tLOA POVATIO DO CXRTIrY That I toots the meter of tb* Board of Zoning App eatlo, City of Ithacae, in tate matters of Appeals No$. 10850, 188 and 1089 an July 7, 19759 at City Hall, City of Imo, Now Ywk„ that I haw transcribed sage, and the fore"Ing is a t o atopy of the transcript of this mimtes of the meet and the Rxmutive Slession of the Board of Zoning Appeals„ City of It a, on the abo m data, and the ehs1e thereof to the best of m ability. 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