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BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
MEETING OF JULY 11, 1988
APPEAL NO. 1847 Bickley Townsend 3
109 Oxford Place
APPEAL NO. 1847 Decision 11
APPEAL NO. 1852 David M. Streater HELD OVER
102 Homestead Road
APPEAL NO. 1853 Kinga M. Gergely WITHDRAWN
326 North Geneva Street
APPEAL NO. 1854 Zellman Warhaft 12
111 Lake Street
APPEAL NO. 1854 Deliberation 21
APPEAL NO. 1854 Decision 24
Appeal No. 1854 More discussion 25
APPEAL NO. 1855 Ithaco, Inc. 33
737 West Clinton St.
APPEAL NO. 1855 Decision 40
APPEAL NO. 1855 Discussion 42
APPEAL NO. 1856 Joseph W. Lee 51
107 South Albany St.
APPEAL NO. 1856 Decision 56
APPEAL NO. 1856 Discussion 57
APPEAL NO. 1857 Mary Bramble 61
109 Harvard Place
APPEAL NO. 1857a Decision 89
APPEAL NO. 1857b Testimony 90
APPEAL NO. 1857b Discussion 102
APPEAL NO. 1857b Decision 104
APPEAL NO. 1858 Craig L. Schaufler 105
321 College Avenue
APPEAL NO. 1858 Decision 108
APPEAL NO. 1859 David R. Auble 109
711-713 West Court St.
APPEAL NO. 1859 Decision 112
CERTIFICATION OF RECORDING SECRETARY 113
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
CITY OF ITHACA NEW YORK
COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS
JULY 11, 1988
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Good evening. I 'd like to call to order the July
11, 1988 meeting of the City of Ithaca Board of Zoning Appeals.
The Board operates under the provisions of the Ithaca City Charter,
the Ithaca Zoning Ordinance, the Ithaca Sign Ordinance and the
Board's own Rules and Regulations. Members of the Board who are
present tonight include:
Jack Peck
John Oakley
Herman Sieverding
Charles Weaver
Michael Tomlan, Chairman of the Board
Peter Dieterich, Acting Secretary to the
Board, Zoning Officer and Deputy
Building Commissioner for the City
Barbara Ruane, Recording Secretary
The Board is going to hear each case in the order listed in the
Agendum, first we are going to hear from the appellant and ask that
he or she present the arguments for the case as succinctly as
possible and then have that person available to answer questions
from the Board. We will then hear from those interested parties
who are in support of the application, followed by those who are
opposed to the application. I should note here that the Board
considers "interested parties" to be persons who own property
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within two hundred feet of the property in question, or who live or
work within two hundred feet of that property. Thus the Board will
not hear testimony from persons who do not meet the definition of
"interested party" . While we do not adhere to the strict rules of
evidence, we do consider this a quasi-judicial proceeding and we
base our decisions on the record. The record consists of the
application materials filed with the building department, the
correspondence relating to the cases, as received by the building
department, the planning and development board's findings and
recommendations, if there are any, and the record of tonight's
hearing. Since a record is being made of this hearing, it is
essential that anyone who wants to be heard come forward and speak
directly into the microphones which are opposite me here so that
the comments can be picked up by the tape recorder and be heard by
everyone in the room. Extraneous comments from the audience, are
not going to be recorded and therefore will not be considered by
the Board in its deliberations of the case. We ask that everyone
limit their comments to the zoning issues of the case and not
comment on aspects that are beyond the jurisdiction of this Board.
After everyone has been heard on a given case, the hearing on that
case will be closed and the Board will deliberate and reach a
decision. Once the hearing is closed, no further testimony will be
taken and the audience is requested to refrain from commenting
during our deliberations. It takes four votes to approve a motion
to grant or deny a variance for a special permit. In the rare
cases where there is a tie vote, the variance or special permit is
automatically denied. Tonight you will note there are only five
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members present. As a result, any appellant has the right to
request a postponement of his or her case until six Board members
are present. I should note we don't at the present time know when
we are going to have six members - that's really up to Common
Council but at this point, if anyone does want to delay - that is,
request a postponement, we'd like to hear from you. Are there any
questions about our procedure? (none) Then may we proceed.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The first appeal is Appeal Number 1847
for 109 Oxford Place:
Appeal of Bickley Townsend for a Special Permit for
an Accessory Apartment for 109 Oxford Place under
Section 30.27 of the Zoning Ordinance. The property
is located in an R-1b (Residential, single-family
dwellings) Use District in which the Accessory
Apartment is permitted only under a Special Permit
issued by the Board of Zoning Appeals. This appeal
was held over from the June 6, 1988 meeting at the
request of the appellant.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Bickley? Good evening. If you would begin by
stating your name and where you live, for the record.
MS. TOWNSEND: I 'm Bickley Townsend, I live at 109 Oxford Place.
My husband and I would like to create a small one-bedroom apartment
on the lower level of our house in Bryant Park. I ' ll give you a
little background - we bought this house in 1975, it was our first
and only house. We had two small children and another one on the
way and immediately set about to try to turn this two and a half
story Bryant Park house into more space. The first thing we did
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was to finish a walk-up attic as a master bedroom and bath. A few
years later we realized we had something that not every house in
this neighborhood has, and that's an above ground basement and we
proceeded to finish that as a family room. Now we have our two
older children in college and we have one twelve year old at home.
We have a lot more space than we need - we have four full floors
essentially, of living area. What we would like to have is,
essentially, some baby-sitter to live in because both my husband
and I travel quite often and it would be very convenient now that
our daughters are in college, to have somebody in the house and
also have somebody available to do house-sitting. We do not plan
any addition, this would be existing space - some of it finished
space in the family room, the rest of it would be an existing one
car garage which is under the house which we've never been able to
use as a garage because it is at a right angle to the driveway and
it is just impossible to maneuver. It would be extremely
unobtrusive and involve no change to the exterior of the house - a
small unit, less than four hundred and fifty square feet. We would
intend to rent to only one tenant - an older, quiet tenant. If we
list it at Cornell, it would only be in the graduate student book.
We would list a preference for a tenant without a car, which we
understand is quite possible to do, given the demand for housing in
this neighborhood. But if we did have a tenant with a car, we have
a twenty-five foot side yard which is adequate to provide another
legal parking space. I think it is in keeping with the spirit as
well as the letter of the ordinance, in that it would contribute to
housing affordability in several ways. It would not only
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contribute to our own housing affordability, now that we have two
children in private colleges, it would help us to make some needed
improvements to the rest of our house, but because money is not the
primary motivation, we would be very happy to reduce the rent below
market levels in return for services to us and, in the long run, I
believe, if we did ever sell the house, I think it would make it
more affordable for another family to move into Bryant Park. When
we moved in there, Assistant Professor's salary was around $12, 000.
and houses sold for prices in the 301s. Assistant Professor's
salaries have gone up a little, but not nearly as much as housing
prices. It would be nice, if we ever did sell the house, if
another young family were able to move in and make it their first
house and I think the existence of this small apartment would help
them to do so. Finally, this is a use that is long established in
this neighborhood, there are a great many accessory apartments,
there are also people who have roomers in owner-occupied houses.
Just to give you an idea of where and how they are located, I did a
rough map of the immediate area - there are at least three
accessory apartments in the two hundred foot area and about a dozen
in the larger area - about a four hundred foot radius of our house.
I 've also noted where there are owner-occupied houses who have
roomers because I think that that also contributes to this sort of
mixed owner-occupied, but houses with rental rooms or apartments in
them. So we plan to live in the house for the forseeable future
and would certainly comply with the spirit as well as the letter of
the Ordinance. . . .
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Just to come back at a particular point - you are
aware of the difference between an accessory apartment and the fact
that it is a permit - that is, in your scenerio that somehow or
another those would be passed on to a young professor?
MS. TOWNSEND: They would have to - I realize, yes. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: They would have to come back for a permit from us,
it doesn't carry - and this is for the benefit of the audience as
well.
MS. TOWNSEND: Yes and I think that is the other way in which it
ensures that a family would stay in that house because someone who
didn't intend to live there as an owner-occupant - to them, this
investment, which is upwards to ten thousand dollars, would be
worthless.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Understood. The other thing is, with respect to
your map, the owner-occupied with rental apartments vs. the
owner-occupied with roomers, it should be understood, I think, that
some of those buildings - for the members of the Board, some of the
buildings that are indicated there - were built in that fashion -
that is, they were duplexes and they have not been conversions,
they were established at that point, right from the beginning.
Questions from members of the Board?
MR. SIEVERDING: If you needed to create a parking space, Bickley,
that would go in the side yard?
MS. TOWNSEND: Yes. Next to where the entrance would be to the
apartment.
MR. SIEVERDING: Is that currently paved or used as parking now or
you'd have to create a parking spot?
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MS. TOWNSEND: No, it is currently used as parking but it is one
long driveway, we would have to create a second. . .
MR. SIEVERDING: Cut out on the side there. . .
MS. TOWNSEND: But there is enough room.
MR. OAKLEY: I 'm a little confused, my traditional inability to
read plans. The entrance is going to be one of the garage doors?
MS. TOWNSEND: Yes.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay. And essentially you will make that a garage
door - looking externally the way it is or you will. . .
MS. TOWNSEND: Well we may create a new wall with windows
(unintelligible) consistent with the rest of the house.
MR. OAKLEY: Because you have storage marked behind the. . .
MS. TOWNSEND: We haven't had final plans drawn yet.
MR. WEAVER: On that issue, somewhere in the pile of stuff I 've
seen, was a recommendation or a comment that the preservation of
these garage doors was a plus of some sort?
MR. OAKLEY: Was that from the Planning Board?
MR. SIEVERDING: It was in last month's packet. Wasn't there a
Design issue related to this. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well there normally is by virtue of cutting in
another entrance for an accessory apartment, that's mandated
whether the specifics. . . that's another matter.
MR. BICKLEY: Well we would plan to use one of the doors. . .
MR. WEAVER: Well I guess my question is, that is a recommendation
to us - it isn't binding on us on the granting of the license, in
my understanding.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: No.
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MR. WEAVER: Well, for one, I 'm not really terribly fond of old
garage doors and if. . .
MR. SIEVERDING: I thought you were going to say, of design
recommendations from Planning. . . .
MR. WEAVER: Well I just. . . if a window and a regular door turned
out to be a comfortable solution I see no reason for us to comment
on it - if we were to grant it, I see no reason for that being
mentioned, in our action.
MR. OAKLEY: Except that it is, I believe mentioned in the
Ordinance on Accessory Apartments that changes to the exterior of
the building should be. . . .
MR. WEAVER: Yes, but that is on where they put the entrance and
whether the entrance is obtrusive or not.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Section 30.27, paragraph 6, "new or additional
front entrances or windows are discouraged but in any event must be
in keeping with the architectural style of the rest of the
structure. "
MR. WEAVER: This being ninety degrees away. . . major element of the
house, distance away. . . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: "New or additional front entrances must have the
approval of the Design Review Board. "
MR. WEAVER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions from members of the Board?
While my fellow Board members are thinking, Bickley, tell me a
little bit, if you will, about your rebuttal to the twelve people
who have signed the petition - backing up to you on Irving.
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MS. TOWNSEND: Well first of all the Stinsons circulated that for
the Planning Board and they were not familiar with the Ordinance.
They didn't know that it required owner-occupancy, they didn't know
that it was for a three year time period. I subsequently talked to
them and some of the other people on that list and I think that did
make a difference. I think if you look at this map, you'll see
that accessory apartments are not just concentrated in one section
of the neighborhood - they are really quite scattered around. In
fact there are some on the other side of Mitchell Street and Ithaca
Road that don't show up on here, but Irving Place happens to be the
only street where there aren't any. In fact, there actually was
one at the end - at the corner of Irving and Delaware before Thys
Van Cort bought that house and he converted it back from an
accessory apartment, but that house (unintelligible) . I think the
concern of the Stinsons - I don't believe they are here tonight -
and some other people - was not that they questioned our intentions
or that they think there is anything wrong with an accessory
apartment in an owner-occupied house, their concern is with long
term enforcement. Their concern is that they see illegal uses
around them in the neighborhood and because they can't control the
illegal violators they feel that they need to fight against the
legal ones. And my rebuttal for that is that I share their
concern, I certainly hope this is enforced but I don't think it is
either fair or effective to deny a legal use because you are afraid
of an illegal one.
CHAIRMAN TOMIAN: Further questions from members of the Board?
[none] Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in
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favor of granting this special permit? [no one] Is there anyone
who would like to speak in opposition? [no one] The case is ours.
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1847 FOR 109 OXFORD PLACE
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of Bickley
Townsend for a Special Permit for an Accessory Apartment at 109
Oxford Place. The decision of the Board was as follows:
MR. WEAVER: I move that the Board grant the Special Permit for an
Accessory Apartment at 109 Oxford Place with the condition that an
off-street parking space be provided to meet the requirements of
the additional occupancy.
MR. OAKLEY: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. The application details compliance with the Ordinance in all
respects as detailed in Section 30.27.
2. The exterior appearance as proposed will not be substantially
altered.
3 . The footprint will not be affected.
4 . There is no indication of any negative influence upon the
neighborhood.
VOTE: 5 YES; 0 NO GRANTED W/CONDITION
[NOTE: BOARD IS LACKING ONE MEMBER DUE TO RESIGNATION OF STEWART
SCHWAB WHO HAS MOVED OUT OF THE CITY]
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is Appeal Number 1854
for 111 Lake Street:
Appeal of Zellman Warhaft for an exception from the
requirements for maximum grade of a driveway in Section
30.37, Paragraph A3 of the Zoning Ordinance, to permit
the reconstruction of an existing driveway at 111 Lake
Street. The appellant has determined that he is unable
to reconstruct the driveway in a manner that would
conform to the maximum grade requirements of the Zoning
Ordinance. The property, which contains a single-family
dwelling, is located in an R-2a (Residential, one- and
two-family dwellings) Use District in which the existing
and proposed uses are permitted. The driveway would be
shared by adjacent property owners.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Mr. Warhaft. Have a seat and for the record, tape
recorder and all, if you would begin by identifying yourself and
where you live.
MR. WARHAFT: Zellman Warhaft, 111 Lake Street, Ithaca.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You need an area variance?
MR. WARHAFT: That's right.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You are actually here for an exception to the
requirements of the maximum grade, which is really more
particularly the case. But you've checked area variance - that's
why I picked that out.
MR. WEAVER: It is an area variance, it is not a use variance.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: It has to be an area variance. There are only
two kinds and it's not a special permit. We can't call it an
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interpretation so I guess it has to be an area variance. Tell us
about the grade, we've probably all looked at the grade on your
driveway, but why don't you say a few words anyway.
MR. WARHAFT: It is a very steep grade. I determine it to be rising
four feet and sixteen feet. It is a shared driveway with two other
houses and it is crumbling and it needs repairing - the tail pipes
of our cars touch the road as we go up. I have also determined if
we change the grade by about (unintelligible) suggested then we
will have side entry and everybody will be happy.
MR. PECK: What is your suggestion.
MR. WARHAFT: My suggestion is to drop the sidewalk by a foot - by
grading it down on either side - and lifting the grading slightly
by perhaps six inches at the blacktop, near the road. Also
widening the entrance to the driveway by two feet as shown on the
drawing. You should, perhaps, realize that this sidewalk ends
nowhere. It comes to a - as you will see, there are three houses,
115, 113 and 111 - this sidewalk comes to a stop at 115 and there
is potentially a drop of about six feet so it can't be used anyway.
I don't intend to go against any of the requirements about grading
and so on but I just should let you know that it is not a very very
important piece of sidewalk.
CHAIRMAN TOMIAN: Are you aware of the message from the Engineering
Department with respect to the blacktop?
MR. WARHAFT: No I 'm not.
CHAIRMAN TOMIAN: Did you see - would you share with him, Jack, we
got a note. . .
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MR. WARHAFT: "All changes to start at the curb line - Suggestions
- use stair with two or more steps in south approach of sidewalk" .
Well that would be fine because of. . . yes, all of that would be
fine and I do believe by widening the skirt by two feet as shown in
my diagram but the angle will be acute enough to stop the tail pipe
problem. In other words, what happens at the moment is that you
have to come around at too much of a right angle and the tail pipe
hits but if you can come in more squarely (?) , by widening the
skirt - I don't see that there will be a problem. Last time that
they put new black top on the road, for a month or two after that
we didn't hit the bottom because - just be lifting it two inches or
an inch, or whatever it was - was enough to give us a - but the
driveway is also crumbling so it is in need of repair and it would
seem to me silly not to make it a safer entry and, in fact, an
easier entry.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: My curiosity kind of brings up a question as to
whether you had thought about dipping or curving. I know it seems
strange but curving perhaps that initial approach with a bit of a
dip to it so that you would go up rather gradually, rather than at
that angle.
MR. WARHAFT: Well, lets - essentially by dropping this sidewalk by
a foot is essentially dipping to a degree - (unintelligible)
MR. PECK: Are you going to lower the entire rest of the sidewalk by
a foot - is that the suggestion, or is that only going to be a foot
(unintelligible) sidewalk. . . .
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MR. WARHAFT: Well the suggestion of the two steps here
(unintelligible) would be very acceptable. I was also prepared to
make. . .
MR. PECK: (unintelligible) drop down to that level and then
continue on that level. . .
MR. WARHAFT: That's right. That would be absolutely fine.
MR. PECK: Now what does that do to the upper part of the driveway,
doesn't that make that even steeper if you drop the sidewalk a
foot?
MR. WARHAFT: I 'm also planning to put - as you can see - new tracks
on the upper part - side - and what I 'll do is regrade it as we go
up. And the distance it takes getting from the sidewalk to the
house is - there is enough leeway in order to make (unintelligible)
and I'm going to put very heavy treads on it (unintelligible)
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions from members of the Board?
MR. WEAVER: Yes. If you go a foot lower with that sidewalk at the
point where the driveway crosses, won't your angle of departure on
the upper portion of the driveway not (unintelligible) but the
upper portion - won't that become pretty critical?
MR. WARHAFT: As I just mentioned to this gentleman [Jack Peck] , I
am intending to put in a new driveway as well.
MR. WEAVER: I heard what you said but, what I would understand is
that you would have to alter the grade for a very substantial
distance.
MR. WARHAFT: Well it would be all right up to the house at the top.
MR. WEAVER: I understand that.
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MR. WARHAFT: The drive goes up to the top and then there is an
area, a shared area at the top and that could withstand
(unintelligible) . Also as it happens, although my drawing doesn't
perhaps clearly show it, the steepest part is the part going from
the sidewalk to the road.
MR. WEAVER: Mr Chairman, this is really something that - in my mind
- must be approved by the Engineer and it just seems to me that we
- the appellant and the Engineering Department end up with a sketch
that they have approved - I 'm reluctant to have this attached to a
request. . . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Which piece are you pointing to Charlie?
MR. WEAVER: All three of them. To a request and it doesn't
completely satisfy me that we have an acceptable design in front of
US. I don't think that. . . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You don't think the sketches are
(unintelligible) . . .
MR. WEAVER: That quickie note doesn't really impress me as
something that we would like to look back at in a year or two.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: A conditional variance perhaps?
MR. SIEVERDING: Approve it and send it to the City Engineer
subject to the . . . .
MR. WEAVER: Subject to his final approval?
MR. SIEVERDING: Of the design.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The problem was that the Ordinance was
written with a specific requirement - we had to send it down to the
City Engineer - the City Engineer didn't want to deal with it
because the Ordinance was specific, so he felt that the Zoning
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Board would have to have the chance to grant a variance from the
specific requirements and I think probably the thing to do then is
to go that way, but with the stipulation that the Engineer's office
may deal with the final outcome or make recommendations on the
final outcome.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That doesn't make me too happy.
MR. PECK: In other words we grant a variance from the 3% - 10%
before the Engineer is willing to deal with it. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right.
MR. SIEVERDING: And just let the Engineer deal with what the
specific grade is going to turn out to be.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Sure.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: He felt he didn't have the
jurisdiction.
MR. PECK: He is on either - is the problem, that is what Charlie
is saying, right?
MR. WEAVER: Well part of the problem, but another part of the
problem is that in my experience they don't tinker with that
sidewalk grade without approval of the City Engineer and here is a
City Engineer in a handwritten note suggesting that they change it
by a foot. Okay - put two steps in the general use of that
sidewalk, which, even though it does end up out in the woods, I
think there is evidence that there is substantial foot traffic
there and I just say that if you are going to go along a concrete
sidewalk and suddenly have two steps - that this Board and the
appellant need clear approval of those two steps and some idea of
what tread riser ratio ought to be and so on before he gets a new
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driveway and someone attacks the details of the granting. I 'm
uneasy with the paper trail in this appeal - not because I think he
can do any damage to the driveway - God knows, you are bound to
help it - but that the other thing is that there is a sidewalk down
through there where the City has very clear regulations and
protects those regulations against all comers.
MR. OAKLEY: So, Charlie, are you suggesting that maybe the way to
do this - the City Engineer's problem is that he essentially
doesn't want to start passing out what is and what is not an
acceptable. . . .
MR. WEAVER: I don't hear a refusal by him - he doesn't want to get
into the design of a sub-standard driveway - sub-standard by City
Ordinance, okay? Our Ordinance. And I don't argue with him at
all, I would like him, however, to approve in rather specific form
the design of that site and sidewalk.
MR. OAKLEY: That is what I was asking, so what you want City
Engineer approval for the alterations to the sidewalk - we grant
the variance for the driveway?
MR. WEAVER: Right.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well I 'm glad we got that worked out.
MR. WARHAFT: Could we just go through. . . .
MR. OAKLEY: Okay, what Charlie is suggesting is that because the
sidewalk is in some sense a City responsibility, that the
particular design of the steps, to make sure that they aren't .too -
the risers aren't too high or treads aren't too narrow - should be
approved by the City Engineer - it has nothing to do with the
Ordinance about driveways. It has to do more with the safety of
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the sidewalk. And that we will grant the variance or the
(unintelligible) and the City Engineer will then not have to get
involved in deciding what is and is not a safe grade for a
driveway, since they have already decided that this isn't a safe
grade for a driveway.
MR. WARHAFT: So what does that entail on my behalf?
MR. OAKLEY: On your behalf it means that you have to go to the
City Engineer and say, I want these steps to go up six inches and
over eight inches and the City Engineer has to look at that and
say, I like that - that's a good step and he doesn't have to look
at the driveway at all. Is that. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: It seems like, as though you'd have a clear path
to follow, that we are not giving you a run-around in bureaucracy.
MR. WARHAFT: Well, let me express some concern about this whole
thing. I 've been a few months on this now - I 've written in my
appeal - I 've got a chronically ill son and I 've got lots of
concerns because of that - he has to go to Syracuse for blood
transfusions very frequently and I 'm a little upset by the
bureaucracy. I 've been a couple of months working on this. As I
said before the top does not end anywhere - (unintelligible) a
very, very dangerous jump near the Gun Factory - anybody would
cripple themselves immediately if they ever attempted to walk along
that path without thinking. It seems not unreasonable request and
I 'm a little upset that I have to do yet more bureaucratic - which
especially in view of the fact that a little - for the downstreet -
in a few weeks apparently ninety-six apartments are going to be
built without having to get any variance whatsoever at the Gun
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Factory car park and no doubt that the builder there will do what
he likes to the sidewalks when he constructs them because
apparently no variances were required. Perhaps that's beside the
point but it makes me feel that perhaps things are getting a little
bureaucratic when I have to go through so much paper work to do a
minor job that will not detract and not upset the (unintelligible) .
MR. WEAVER: Sir, while you are giving us what's for, we could take
your application as it is right now and I will vote against it
because I will not vote for what appears to be an approval of two
steps in the rung of a public sidewalk. I 'll introduce you to some
of the people that have wheelchairs that are very sensitive to any
new construction that doesn't provide for them and you are looking
forward to more construction in the neighborhood - raises the
question of exactly where - the final house down there has sidewalk
in front of it, even though it is not in very good shape and what
happens to that is an obligation - if the City wants to give up the
sidewalk way up at the corner - it's all right with me, I don't
have any particular interest but I do have a sensitivity to what
the City has allowed in public sidewalks and what it has not and
not withstanding the possibility that the City be liable for what
happens from then on. It is not just your driveway that is
involved.
MR. WARHAFT: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I just made my comment.
MR. WEAVER: Yes. I wanted to explain why we were being so
bureaucratic.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions from members of the Board?
[none] We now understand, at least, the nature of what is being
asked. Very good, thank you. We' ll move along.
MR. WARHAFT: What is the decision?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I 'm going to ask for more comments from the
audience. If you'll just have a seat in the back. Is there
anyone else who would like to speak in favor of granting this area
variance? [no one] Is there anyone who would like to speak in
opposition? [no one] That being the case, it is ours.
DELIBERATION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1854 FOR 111 LAKE STREET
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do we want to put the condition on, Charles, or
do we not? How do some of the rest of you feel?
MR. OAKLEY: I 'm not as hostile (unintelligible) as Charlie is.
And so it is not clear to me that the City Engineer hasn't made his
statement.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well I think these are suggestions, I would point
out John - they are not pre-requisite to construction.
MR. OAKLEY: Right.
MR. SIEVERDING: Nor are they suggestions that are detailed enough
where some of them have to be taken and put together a set of
prints and give them to a contractor and get the thing built
(unintelligible) satisfied with it though. My sense of it is that
we could actually grant him the area variance for the grade with
the condition that he go to the City Engineer and that they work
out the specifics of the design for the sidewalk and where they
join between the sidewalk and that driveway is going to occur. And
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that they will only get a building permit to make the improvements,
once the City Engineer has put together. . .
MR. OAKLEY: I think we can probably do that. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We are putting the onus on the City Engineer? Or
putting the onus on the property owner to come up with those
prints? I just want us to be clear.
MR. SIEVERDING: The property owner has to come up with the prints
that would have to be approved by the City Engineer.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Okay. If you are going for a condition, I just
want the onus to be clear as to who takes the next step. Jack any
thoughts?
MR. PECK: Well I have to agree with Charlie a little bit. The
picture we have here - while he may not have intended it to be that
way, shows a dip in the sidewalk of a foot for the length of the
driveway (unintelligible) and it pops up again somehow. There are
lots of questions - are they going to tear up the rest of the
sidewalk below it, on down the street and make it all that same
level? Is there going to have to be major sidewalk work done here
in order to fix this so the driveway can work? Obviously the grade
is going to be (unintelligible) I mean, it is the grade. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: He is not going to move the mountain easily.
MR. PECK: He is not going to move the mountain, that's right. But
I think Charlie's question about the sidewalk is a good one and I -
personally in reading what the Engineer says, I don't quite
understand - "the stairs may also be used inside the property lines
to flatten the driveway slope" - does anybody understand what that
means?
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MR. OAKLEY: I think he is suggesting stairs up to the house.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You think? I 'm just playing devil 's advocate
here.
MR. PECK: I don't know that that's so.
MR. OAKLEY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
MR. SIEVERDING: I think the point is, the City Engineer has some
very definite ideas on what the relationship of that driveway and
sidewalk ought to be and it seems that our particular area in this
case concerns the rate of (unintelligible) . . . and it seems to me
that we could grant the variance to exceed that grade - have them
put together plans that incorporate the City Engineer's suggestions
and that those plans be approved by the City Engineer prior to the
issuance of the building permit. And it seems to me that in the
process of that approval the City Engineer will see to it that that
sidewalk is put together in a fashion that is safe and accessible
and is not going to be disruptive to the people who are going to be
walking by and I 'm reasonably cautious taking that approach without
making this guy come back. . .
MR. PECK: Oh, I don't want him to come back either.
MR. OAKLEY: He is going to have to go back to the City Engineer.
MR. SIEVERDING: Right.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Charlie, any further thoughts?
MR. WEAVER: No.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do we have a motion?
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1854 FOR 111 LAKE STREET
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of Zellman
Warhaft for an exception from the requirements for maximum grade of
a driveway in Section 30. 37-A3 of the Zoning Ordinance to permit
the reconstruction of an existing driveway. The decision of the
Board was as follows:
MR. SIEVERDING: I move that the requested exceptions from the
maximum grade of a driveway requirements in Section 30. 37-A3 of the
Zoning Ordinance be granted subject to the condition that the
appellant prepare a set of drawings detailing how that driveway is
to be constructed and what the relationship of that driveway will
be to the sidewalk; that those drawings incorporate suggestions
made by the City Engineer in his memo of June 20, 1988 and that
those plans receive the City Engineer's approval prior to the
issuance of the building permit to construct the improvements. The
City Engineer's responsibility will be limited to approval of the
general design of the driveway and the relationship of the sidewalk
to the driveway only.
MR. PECK: I second the motion.
VOTE: 4 YES; 1 NO GRANTED W/CONDITION
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FURTHER DISCUSSION WHICH TOOK PLACE AFTER THE MOTION ON APPEAL NO.
1854 WAS MADE BUT BEFORE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN:
MR. OAKLEY: I think (unintelligible) requires City Engineer
approval for the driveway and the sidewalk.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: You are giving the City Engineer
latitude to exceed the grade so he has some latitude to work beyond
what the Zoning regulations say and he has to be able to
(unintelligible) the sidewalk, that's my understanding.
MR. SIEVERDING: The sidewalk only?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: With the sidewalk only. He has the
latitude to - you are giving the City Engineer latitude to work
beyond what the Zoning Ordinance says in the direction of the
driveway and he will give specific information as to what should be
done with the sidewalk - that was my understanding.
MR. OAKLEY: That's the way it sounds to me.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Charles?
MR. WEAVER: First of all, we have an application to vary from the
precise standards of the Ordinance as it applies to driveways.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Let's discuss that a little bit, could we for
just a second - because I 'm a little troubled by the fact that we
have said it's fine to do whatever we want with that driveway, in
essence - by virtue of the slope. I mean, the way in which the
motion reads, that, in essence, could be the result.
MR. WEAVER: Two things - one, the apron is a matter of public
concern.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I 'm not concerned with the apron, I 'm talking
about the driveway.
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MR. WEAVER: And the driveway above that, in that particular space,
a shared driveway, it seems to me that the appellant can meet his
own desires without having any negative influence upon the
neighborhood. The thing that I want expressed rather precisely is
that the City Engineer approve the grade and design of the
sidewalk.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well that seems to be the intent, certainly, of
his message to us.
MR. OAKLEY: His message to us. . . I mean we could, presumably,
alter the problem that you have by saying that we grant him a
permit to decrease the slope of the driveway. And, however much he
decreases it, at any particular point - that is up to him. . .
MR. PECK: He is not going to decrease the slope of the driveway
though - of the apron - the driveway is going to get steeper. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's - I want to be sure. . .
MR. PECK: . . . lower that sidewalk a foot - he can keep the top end
the same - driveway. . .
MR. OAKLEY: He is not talking about steeper. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Transition. . . transition is the
question.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN; You see, yes, exactly. If it is the case that
the slope of the driveway gets less, fine. But I 'm not sure about
that. We drop the sidewalk - there ain't [sic] no way - unless we
alter the upper side of the drive. . .
MR. OAKLEY: You've got to alter the upper side of the driveway,
yes.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well, that's what bothers me because the
Ordinance is clear that we have a responsibility with respect to
the slope. Not to make it worse - it is essentially the
extension. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Right. Should we be calling the appellant back up
here and ask him?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: In my own feeling, personally, no. If you all
feel as though you would like to, I 'm perfectly willing to go ahead
with that but I want us to be clear first with what we - if we are
going to go after conditions, we are the ones who are making the
conditions.
MR. SIEVERDING: Am I getting the sense here that you are not too
enthused with the City Engineer taking a look at the slope of that
driveway and whether or not that's an appropriate slope or not.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The City Engineer doesn't have anything to do with
the slope of the driveway. The City Engineer has to do with the
sidewalk. I think if you are - in my mind - for me to vote with
you, I have to have something in there about reducing the slope of
the driveway. That's our responsibility. You haven't specifically
said that - you essentially said that anything goes with the slope
in that driveway.
MR. SIEVERDING: Subject to the City Engineer's approval.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Yes, well City Engineer's approval is outside the
bounds.
MR. SIEVERDING: Okay.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That was my problem Charles, with the motion the
way in which it was made. Which doesn't exactly address your
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questions. Under 30. 37-3 gives you the driveway - gives you the
illustration for the driveway.
MR. WEAVER: I know it does and without a set of plans, it is not
obvious - but Jack's comment is very well taken - that the upper
drive will get worse instead of better.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right, that's my point precisely.
MR. WEAVER: Well, my point is - I wonder if - as a Board of Zoning
Appeals - making an exception - at what point do we say this is too
steep or not steep enough? We have one in 30. 37. . . it is on page
30.2. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Right 30.2a is the page.
MR. WEAVER: That the three percent maximum grade indicating -
apparently starts at the property side of the sidewalk. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The transition. . .
MR. WEAVER: And we are going to grant an exception to that - give
permission to exceed it.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The transition is considerably more. . .
MR. WEAVER: However, please look at the same sketch where we in
Ithaca are not terribly worried about a ten percent grade, once you
are twenty-five feet away from the street - now, I didn't make the
drawing - I don't know for sure what they had in mind but there is
lots of room here to make a judgement on a specific property and I
just as soon not say that twelve is fine - thirteen is unacceptable
- or anything of the sort and that - the only thing that I
particularly care about - frankly - and I think is of great concern
to the City - is that someone in authority and with more knowledge
than I - approve the design of that sidewalk. And his approach to
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it is not necessarily the wrong approach - his approach is not to
cut it down by a full twelve inches at the south edge of the
driveway - rather to make a double ramp out of it, so that you not
only get down in the hole but get back out by means of a ramped
sidewalk. Maybe that's acceptable, although we have a preference
indicated on the note. If the Engineer were asked if you could do
it, or can't you - talking about the sidewalk and not about the
driveway, we might get a different answer than this memo - do you
see what I 'm talking about Peter? I don't blame him for not
wanting to get into the design of the driveway - that's the
appellant's problem - come in with a set of plans for what it is he
wants to do.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The big problem here is the
transition, I don't think it is so much the driveway itself as the
transition from the driveway - this is a short distance - only
about sixteen, some odd feet from the driveway to the street and
according to the drawings - it has about a four foot rise - so its
quite a. . .
MR. WEAVER: It's extreme - no question about it.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Quite a large. . .
MR. WEAVER: And I question whether it will be an adquate cure but
that's his driveway - not ours. I don't see that it will do any
public damage for him to build a sub-standard one in that
particular location. But I do think it is a matter of public
concern - that the driveway meet some reasonable standard of design
and dimension and grade, particularly.
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MR. PECK: We have no indication what the grade of the driveway is
except that it is very steep.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Very true. Herman?
MR. SIEVERDING: If we were to modify that such that the City
Engineer's responsibility be limited to approval of the design and
grade in relationship of the sidewalk to the driveway only. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Does the seconder accept that?
MR. PECK: I don't know - that's really not my problem - I don't
have a problem with that - my problem is taking a grade that is
already very steep and making it worse by dropping the sidewalk.
And it seems to me that is our problem - the ten percent maximum
grade after the sidewalk, as well, because that is part of the
Zoning Ordinance, right? Yes, it is.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Yes it is.
MR. WEAVER: Granted, Jack, and I believe that what we are
approving will create a situation in the upper driveway - once you
cross the sidewalk - that will be less acceptable than it is now -
but I 've lived with Williams Street and a few other streets that -
although they are etched in history and geology - this is to in a
very minor way. He is in a terrible location to build a decent
driveway - he would need an elevator or something to get something
that is really appropriate - so if I say rather carelessly that I
don't care what the driveway looks like as long as it makes him
happy - I 'd be glad to grant that - figuring that it is a one
household or a two household condition that they are creating but
that the City's concern here - the approach to the sidewalk could
also be the approach to the street - would be improved in either
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case. That is desireable and that the sidewalk meet some kind of
standard of design - okay? That's how I differ. . .
MR. PECK: Yes. Yes, the seconder accepts.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The seconder accepts. Are you satisfied?
MR. PECK: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I mean, I 'm not, but I 'll let you know that right
now. I 'm not.
MR. PECK: I accept it - I didn't say I wholly approve.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Right. Okay. That's what I wanted, thank you.
Further discussion? I mean, my own personal druthers - if I had my
druthers I would send this thing back and say, put together some
proper surveyed instruments, essentially create a (unintelligible)
map and do proper site drawings - then we would be able to
understand things a whole lot more clearly and we wouldn't be
sitting here. . .
MR. OAKLEY: I 'm not sure that that would actually solve it for us.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: It would certainly tell us what we are dealing
with other than just a steep slope. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Yes, but I 'm not sure the information would be
enormously useful or make that much difference. I mean we know
what we've got here - this is a very bad driveway which the owner
wants to adapt in such a way that he thinks would be better and it
is not clear to me that - you know - I have no idea whether - what
exactly is an acceptable slope for a driveway (unintelligible) . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I 'll withdraw my comment. Shall we bring this to
a conclusion of some sort?
MR. SIEVERDING: Let's vote.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: A vote?
MR. WEAVER: This is 1854?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: 1854, right.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Appeal Number 1854 - there are four
votes in favor and one against.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So Appeal Number 1854 is granted with the
conditions.
MR. WARHAFT: Will I be notified in writing of that?
CHAIRMAN TOMI": Yes, you will receive a letter in the mail -
probably within the next week.
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is APPEAL NUMBER 1855
FOR 735 WEST CLINTON STREET (ITHACO) :
Appeal of Ithaco, Inc. , for an area variance for
deficient front yard setback under Section 30.25,
Column 11 of the Zoning ordinance to permit the
construction of a 4, 500 square foot addition to the
existing industrial building at 735 West Clinton
Street (Ithaco, Inc. ) . The property is located in
an I-1 (Industrial) Use District in which the
existing and proposed use is permitted; however,
under Sections 30.49 and 30. 57 the appellant must
first obtain an area variance for the deficient
front yard before a building permit or certificate
of occupancy can be issued for the proposed
addition.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Anyone from Ithaco here? Come forward please and
have a seat. Good evening. If you would begin by identifying
yourself, where you live. . .
MR. ANGER: My name is Richard Anger, I 'm the Plant Manager at
Ithaco and I live at 5 Lansing Heights Road in Lansing, New York.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And you are expanding or proposing to expand.
MR. ANGER: We have to expand. Before we go any further, there is a
correction. That address is 735, not 737 and all of our documents
said 735 - I 've been looking to see if I goofed somewhere. . .
MR. WEAVER: On the actual appeal it is 735.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We are right - the public notice seems to be
wrong. But I don't think there is anything close by that we could
mistake Ithaco for. . .
MR. ANGER: No.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Okay. Do you want to say a few words about why
you want to put that particular addition on the front of your
building?
MR. ANGER: Well the problem that we are having at Ithaco, is that
we are rapidly expanding - we have been in that location since
1969. We need more floor space. What we plan on doing with this
addition is to move office area into there because we are a high
tech industry - we need a lot of office space. By moving office
space from the present building, it opens up more manufacturing
area for us. The other reason that we want to do the expansion on
the Cherry Street - being that we were the first building in there,
we had no one to set any standards for us, as to what modern
architect or anything else looks like. Now the Cherry Street
Industrial Park is expanding, we look twenty years old, compared to
the other buildings that are in there, so along with this addition,
we hope to be able to dress up the facade of the building.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do you want to say, perhaps, a few words about the
interior arrangement of the main building - and I 'll not lead you
down a blind road without telling you why I want to know that -
what you are asking for, essentially, is bring that addition out to
- almost as far as you can conceivably go without going on the
road, and what I 'd kind of like to know is, why that addition
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couldn't be placed elsewhere on the lot with respect to the
existing building?
MR. ANGER: From the existing building to the Cherry Street side
boundary is about thirty-eight feet and that boundary is still
about seventeen feet back from the curb. So I am asking for
thirty-five of the thirty-eight, which leaves the boundary back
about fifteen to seventeen feet. Rather than go out the south side
of the building - which is the only other way that we could expand
- in the future plans, as the plant has to expand that's the way
that we would choose to go and some of the plans that we have
looked at - there would be as much - almost doubling the size of
the main building, but we aren't ready to do that yet.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Let me play devil 's advocate - why not go half
way there now and then a little later add another piece?
MR. ANGER: The one thing that it won't do for us, is dress up our
street-side, if we come out the back end of the building, the front
on both Cherry Street and Clinton Street sides are still going to
look the same as they are now. The main entrance to our building
is now on the Cherry Street side and that's where we would like to
keep it rather than having people come around in the back of the
building to an entrance.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board?
MR. WEAVER: Yes. Can you be more specific on where that new
entrance will be?
MR. ANGER: The new entrance would be about where the present
entrance is - only moved out. It wouldn't be out thirty-five feet
from the new entrance because, as you can see on the plan there,
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the entrance presently is off-set from the building - out towards
the road.
MR. WEAVER: It won't be, in the new plans?
MR. ANGER: No, it would be straight across the front, the whole
hundred and twenty-nine foot length of the building would be one
flat surface.
MR. WEAVER: It looks to me as if the trees will remain.
MR. ANGER: Yes, we have no intention of touching the grass - we
won't even come to the end of the blacktop if this variance is
granted - I believe there will still be - as you can see, the
boundary line - one of my problems is the boundary line is on a
caper. When they put in the new Cherry Street they - where it used
to be cut straight it is sort of angled and there was some swapping
back and forth between the City and Ithaco and small triangles of
land for what they took off of one side of the street and swapped
that for the other. What we are looking for is to get as much room
out of that side as we can possibly get so that in the future when
we come off of the back end of the building, we can come with a
substantially larger addition. Parking areas, as they presently
stand, as you can see, we own almost two acres across the street
plus everything that is blacktopped, as you can see in your blue
parts on your map there, and it also has a number of presently
marked out parking spaces in there, which is adequate for the
number of people that we have today. But with the way that the
business has been taking off, what we are looking at in the five
year plan is monstrous growth, is all I can say - very substantial.
Right now we are busting at the seams.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: How did you calculate the square footage for the
new addition? How did you arrive at the 4, 500 square foot?
MR. ANGER: I took thirteen hundred and forty-nine and came out
short of the property line.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I see.
MR. SIEVERDING: So you are actually building right out to the
property line?
MR. ANGER: It is actually - the best you can tell when you measure
it - it is supposed to be thirty-seven plus or minus - so I backed
off at thirty-five so I wasn't (unintelligible) at thirty-seven.
From what the surveyors tell me, plus or minus is within a foot.
MR. SIEVERDING: And that would be right to the edge of the street
right-of-way, at one point?
MR. ANGER: It would be within two feet of it.
MR. SIEVERDING: Of the street right-of-way.
MR. ANGER: Yes, that's the property line, is that what you are
referring to?
MR. SIEVERDING: Yes.
MR. ANGER: The main concern that I had about being that far was if
it were to struck (sic] when people come to the stop sign but with
the angle of the road today, that is not the problem because you
have to come way out in there because of the way the road comes
from the other direction.
MR. SIEVERDING: The right-of-way actually tapers as well, right?
In other words, the seventeen feet that you refer to is that
seventeen feet to the right-of-way or seventeen feet to the curb?
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MR. ANGER: I 'm saying that it's about fifteen to seventeen feet to
the curb from the boundary line. That's what I (unintelligible)
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions from members of the Board?
MR. OAKLEY: So your reason for not building to the south side
which is the side that has the obvious room, are one, that you plan
to building on the south side. . .
MR. ANGER: We have plans drawn for that which we had done quite a
while ago. . . plus one of the other reasons for right now is the
amount of utilities that would have to be pulled out of there
because when we do come to the south - you've got sewage, power and
everything else that is coming in on the south side of the
building, that's where everything is located right now.
MR. OAKLEY: So you've got to dig up your current utilities if you
were going to build. . .
MR. ANGER: If we come out the south side, we are going to have to
move everything, yes.
MR. OAKLEY: And your reason for building on the space that is
(unintelligible) Corporate image - I mean the other side of that
would be to improve the image of your building. . .
MR. ANGER: That is one of the considerations, yes.
MR. OAKLEY: I 've one question about the accessibility. It seems
to me that most people who are parking at the business, are
actually going to have to walk around the building to get to your
entrance. . .
MR. ANGER: There will be no more parking - well there is no parking
in front of the main entrance right now - the visitor parking is
off to the left hand side as you look at it. What we have to do is
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rearrange the parking on the south side right now and the new
visitor's parking would either be there or across the street.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions? [none] Thank you. Is there
anyone else who would like to speak in favor of granting this
variance? [no one] Is there anyone who would like to speak in
opposition? [no one] The case is ours.
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1855 FOR 735 WEST CLINTON STREET
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of Ithaco, Inc.
for an area variance to permit the construction of a 4, 500 square
foot addition to the existing industrial building at 735 West
Clinton Street. The decision of the Board was as follows:
Appeal Number 1855a:
MR. SIEVERDING: I move that the Board grant the area variance
requested in Appeal Number 1855.
MR. WEAVER: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. Given the area of the lot and Ithaco's expansion plans, there
are a limited number of opportunities to create the office and
conference space that the Company desires.
2 . Both of these opportunities on the north and west side would
create deficiencies and the deficiencies on the west side
would be less than on the other alternative that is available.
3. The proposed expansion would not decrease the number of
parking spaces available for employees and visitors.
4. Siting the addition in this fashion still maintains a setback
from the street.
5. The variance would observe the spirit of the Ordinance and
will not change the character of the district.
VOTE: 3 YES; 2 NO MOTION FAILED; LACK OF 4 AFFIRMATIVE VOTES
Appeal Number 1855b:
MR. OAKLEY: I move that the Board deny the area variance requested
in Appeal Number 1855.
MR. SIEVERDING: I second the motion.
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PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. The proposed addition creates a substantial deficiency in the
front yard.
2. The applicant has not demonstrated sufficient practical
difficulties to justify this extreme exacerbation of the
deficiency.
VOTE: 3 YES; 2 NO MOTION FAILED; LACK OF 4 AFFIRMATIVE VOTES
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FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD ON APPEAL NUMBER 1855 WHICH TOOK
PLACE AFTER THE MOTION ON 1855A WAS MADE AND SECONDED BUT BEFORE
THE VOTE WAS COUNTED:
MR. PECK: I'm not sure I agree with all of that Herman. I mean,
why have minimum setbacks in an Industrial District anyway? When
was the last time we approved anybody going one percent deficit in
other districts?
MR. SIEVERDING: Well, Ithaco was there before the Cherry Street
Industrial Park was put into place and all the design - all the
setback requires (unintelligible) his building is in
nonconformance, it was created after the structure was put there.
MR. PECK: You are going from a. . .
MR. SIEVERDING: You are creating a hundred percent deficiency on
the site, yes.
MR. PECK: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) deficiency to a hundred percent
deficiency. . . . would probably choke on a horse to do that in a
residential neighborhood and I 'm just wondering if we are getting a
little callused with the Industrial Park here in doing something
that we wouldn't do elsewhere because it doesn't bug us that much.
I 'm asking for myself. . . (unintelligible)
MR. SIEVERDING: No, I just thought. . .
MR. PECK: . . . I guess I feel the same way that you do actually,
again, why have minimum - why have setbacks in an Industrial area
that we have to abide by anymore than we do in a residential area?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I 'll bring up a broader question with respect to
upcoming and past cases - why do we need side yards at all, either,
in commercial districts? Why do we need rear yards in commercial
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districts - industrial districts? I mean, I 'm raising the same
issue.
MR. OAKLEY: I 'd like to make a slightly modified comment. If the
yards are sort of - in part - an aesthetic judgement, I would be
much happier seeing what this - not just an improvement in the
aesthetics of the building - is going to be. But I 'm not sure that
it would convince me but I would certainly be more likely to be
convinced if I had a full elevation of the (unintelligible) . . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's an interesting way of looking at the
world, I 'm sure. . .
MR. OAKLEY: I'm not sure what side yards - side yards obviously
provide certain isolation and protection from insurgent liability
and so forth, but I suspect that in an Industrial District there
are also created (unintelligible) aesthetic aspiration.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Maybe the Fire Commissioner, or ex-Fire
Commissioner, might say something.
MR. WEAVER: Well I think probably some of this - for the same
reason that this wasn't a ninety degree angle, someone with a
drawing board had a chance at it when it was raw land. It does
seem to me that if - in an industrial district if a front yard is
going to serve some neighborhood - some community benefit, that it
would be for reasonable visibility from neighbors. In this
particular case there is some land beyond it that, it seems to me,
to be obviously arranged as a departure from Conrail rather than
from any other line and that it would be reasonable to expect that
any development will not be blocked by this proposed addition but
rather any new building in the lot beyond it - in other words -
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south of Ithaco's holding - would be out where everybody would be
able to see it quite well, beyond the end of the old former Cherry
Street. As I see it, it doesn't obstruct the intersections or
doesn't appear to and will not obstruct possible development beyond
it in the dimensions now provided. But why we have the number of
setbacks in Industrial Zone is beyond my (unintellible) . . .
MR. OAKLEY: I mean we. . .
MR. WEAVER: That's not for me to. . .
MR. OAKLEY: We are (unintelligible) not extensive, but for one we
do have already regulations on visibility at intersections which I
assume the Building Inspector has checked to make sure that this
doesn't violate those, and for two, not so very long ago at Cherry
Street, we passed a rather complicated variance on the outside
display of industrial products in which clearly our attempt was an
aesthetic one, and so clearly we do have (unintelligible) aesthetic
considerations. I don't think that we should simply assume that
the City Council, in its wisdom, has decided to abandon aesthetic
considerations (unintelligible) Industrial Parks. I know that your
opinion of the City Council is such that you will probably agree
with that even though you may not agree with them.
MR. WEAVER: The tree line - the existing tree line - the depth of
their holdings indicate that this - I don't see how it can possibly
do any mischief to the site line of any existing or proposed
development. And a final thing - that's why we are a Board of
Zoning Appeals - so that we can do business in town and that
somebody that's cranked up and growing will be able to occupy our
Industrial Park rather than having it just a Park for the
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foreseeable future. I 'd like to see it full of buildings - dirty
old factory buildings for that matter.
MR. PECK: You almost convinced me Charlie and then you didn't
convince me.
MR. SIEVERDING: But I think - the main point really being that
access to the street and visibility at the intersection. . . I think
nothing would be jeopardized by the expansion outward toward the
property line.
MR. OAKLEY: I think that those things would forbid a variance. I
mean the real question to me is whether he has shown practical
difficulty in locating the building to the south and I don't know
enough about moving utilities and so forth.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: I think the Zoning Ordinance only
talks about residential districts where you have a twenty-five foot
setback required in the corner of the property - in visibility and
it doesn't talk about it in commercial zone because in business
zones - not an industrial zone but generally business zones it
allows a building right - in some business zones - it allows the
building right up to the property line - so that's really not a
question - only in residential zones.
MR. OAKLEY: Are there practical - has he made a case for practical
difficulties on the south side?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well I 'd like to explore that a little further.
The reason for not really building off on that side was the fact
that there were some proposed plans for moving in that direction at
some point in the future.
MR. OAKLEY: And that there are existing services in some ways. . .
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And that there are existing services.
MR. OAKLEY: And I 've never dealt with industrial services. In a
home owners case I would be fairly skeptical but I suspect they get
considerably more than a small sewer line. And depth?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Are those sufficient practical difficulties? I
think that's really the question.
MR. OAKLEY: In many ways I would like to see a more detailed
application on that.
MR. WEAVER: Are you willing to call the appellant back and ask some
of your questions or have you heard all that you will from him?
MR. OAKLEY: I did ask some of my questions - I did get the feeling
that further questions weren't going to enlighten me any more.
There is a limited amount that you can do (unintelligible) it seems
to me. If you think that he will be able to answer those questions
I 'm willing to have him called back but I began an exploration of
that - I thought I had gotten as far as I was going to get. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Does the maker of the motion have any thoughts
along those lines? I am leaving it to you by virtue of the fact
that you initiated it.
MR. SIEVERDING: Right. I would be open to asking the appellant to
come back and address those issues and the alternative, it seems to
me, would be postponing it until he gets a set of floor plans and a
site plan that shows where, in fact, that expansion is going to
take place. I happen to have seen - there is an expansion plan
going out to the south - I can see where they are coming from in
terms of wanting to place the office on that end of the building
because that's where the existing office is. To turn it around I
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think may create some havoc with the floor plan and circulation
within the building itself.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You are ahead of us. Jack, what are your
thoughts?
MR. PECK: I don't see that he should really come back
(unintelligible) My question was more of a mischievous one than
anything else (unintelligible) . It is just that we seem to be
jumping in very quickly into a different ball game here with this
Industrial Park and we would be (unintelligible) would respond. . .
(unintelligible) and my question was why do we want forty-one foot
setbacks in an Industrial Park? He answered that but I really
didn't expect anybody to be able to either - I admit it's a big
space out there - there's no question about that.
MR. WEAVER: Well what you are stuck with is balancing the adequacy
of the practical difficulties against your feelings of loyalty to
the Ordinance in this specific case.
MR. PECK: Yes, that's right.
MR. WEAVER: And if you are not convinced that that's the most
important item. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do we want to vote? Do we want further
discussion? Ready to go with the vote?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Appeal Number 1855 has 3 yes votes; 2
no votes. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So that particular motion fails. Shall we try
another motion?
MR. WEAVER: We have to have another motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right.
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MR. WEAVER: So the negatives need to form some kind of a motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So the negatives have to form some sort of motion.
Well does it revolve around, in part, practical difficulty?
MR. OAKLEY: It does in one case anyway. But I don't know how to
say it.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well - best that you start off with - you move
that. . . and we'll deal with the rest as we move along.
MR. OAKLEY: I move that appeal 1855b be denied. Findings of Fact:
The proposed addition creates a substantial deficiency in the front
yard and (2) the applicant has not demonstrated sufficient
practical difficulties to justify this extreme exacerbation of the
deficiency. I think that covers it and I 'll move the motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: A second? So that we can move along.
MR. SIEVERDING: For voting purposes?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We have to have a second for voting purposes.
MR. SIEVERDING: I 'll second the motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Any further discussion?
MR. PECK: Yes. This is the first time this has happened since
I 've been on the Board. What are we doing?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: All right, that's a very good question. What are
we doing? In order to grant a variance we have to have four votes,
okay? We did not have four votes. . .
MR. PECK: So in other words, you couldn't deny the variance. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So we didn't deny the variance. We are now in the
process of putting forward a motion which will deny the variance,
whether it passes or fails, makes no difference, in a sense,
because - well it if does pass, we've confirmed the fact that we've
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denied it - but if it doesn't, in any event, the appellant
essentially is stopped cold because, in fact, the variance is not
granted. Okay? That's clear as mud? Could we have a vote?
MR. WEAVER: Well what number is this?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: This is 1855b.
MR. WEAVER: So a yes is to deny the motion?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right, a yes is to move forward for
denial, a no is to deny the motion.
MR. PECK: That's why I 'm confused. (unintelligible)
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The motion in this instance is to deny. If you
vote yes, you are for denial. Okay? If you vote no, you are not
for denial.
MR. PECK: Yes, I understand that voting. .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Okay. Then can we have the ballot?
MR. PECK: If everybody votes the same as they did before. . .
(unintelligible) it doesn't seem to make sense under these
circumstances. . . that's why I 'm confused. . .
MR. WEAVER: Well we have a motion both ways and that indicates the
reason - you see, there would be no finding of fact on one side if
you didn't have another motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The record requires findings of fact, whether you
are for or against - you have to have it on the record.
MR. WEAVER: Also the appellant is here and is being either granted
a variance or not and it is appropriate that he hear why he is not,
if that is the outcome.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: On the second try - 1855b - there are 3
yes votes and 2 no votes.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So the appeal - though it has, in this case, all
of its rationale laid out, is denied.
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is APPEAL NUMBER 1856
FOR 107 SOUTH ALBANY STREET:
Appeal of Joseph W. Lee for an area variance for
deficient off-street parking, and deficient setbacks for
both side yards under Section 30.25, Columns 4, 12, and
13 of the Zoning Ordinance, to permit the conversion of
the building at 107 South Albany Street from a lawyer's
office plus a dwelling unit, to a beauty salon plus a
dwelling unit. The property is located in a B-2a
(Business) Use District in which the existing and
proposed uses are permitted; however, under Section 30.57
the appellant must first obtain an area variance for the
listed deficiencies before a building permit or
certificate of occupancy can be issued for the proposed
conversion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Is there a Joseph Lee in the audience? If you
would begin by identifying yourself and where you live?
MR. LEE: My name is Joseph Lee and I live 808 Buck Road, Groton,
New York. The property that we are talking about is located down
next to the Family Medicine Center and for my purposes of opening
up a Beauty Salon (unintelligible) . The conditions that exist in
the building won't substantially be changed inasmuch as all the
water work is going to be done in the kitchen, which exists now and
all the other rooms are basically - just have chairs in them, so
there isn't any significant structural changes that I have to deal
with (unintelligible) What would be a waste - to turn around and
take away the back yard that exists - as it is now. The previous
occupants or the original owner, I'm not sure - has cultivated some
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very nice plants as it stands and for the aesthetics of my
business, it would be pleasant to have that as an asset. As for
the owner of the building, he would prefer to be able to keep the
market value of his property up by not putting in the parking lot.
Also there is a person who lives next to the building as it is - it
is still residential occupancy at this point, and their back yard
is still intact. Next to that is a real estate office, I believe,
on the opposite side is an office, so basically the block is ringed
with various businesses as it is, at this point. Across from the
building is the Grapevine, the Alternative Credit Union is there,
Family Medicine building is there, Bangs Funeral Home is on one of
the other corners and the City Fire Department comes within range
as far as two hundred feet all the way around - I believe the
Salvation Army is also (unintelligible) something to that effect.
The amount of business that I would be generating and the number of
people, is insignificant to most of those businesses that are
around there - or would be around me at that place. The two
bedroom apartment that is upstairs I basically plan on renting it
out to a married couple or I might reside there myself, I haven't
decided that yet. But at this time I am still looking at it as a
rental piece of property.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board?
MR. OAKLEY: How many chairs do you plan to have? How many
people. . .
MR. LEE: At most three.
MR. OAKLEY: So you will have three people and. . .
MR. LEE: Basically a receptionist, one other operator and myself.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay. Do you expect people to drive in?
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MR. LEE: I have some from the various hills, I have some from out
of town, yes. I have a lot who come off the campuses so they will
more than likely use the bus system, now at this point.
MR. OAKLEY: Do you run a business now?
MR. LEE: I work for J. W. Rhodes Beauty Salon at this point.
MR. OAKLEY: Have you seen the letter from the Alternatives Credit
Union?
MR. LEE: Yes.
MR. OAKLEY: Have you made any attempt to rent parking spaces?
MR. LEE: The closest I have been able to find thus far is Buffalo
Street.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Within how many feet?
MR. LEE: It's up the hill.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Way out. I see, okay.
MR. LEE: They are renting out college space now - $300.00 a year
for (unintelligible) so far, locally, I haven't been able to find
anything - the Fire Station has some spaces behind it but the City
owns it and can't get to it - I have metered parking in front of
the building - I have metered parking surrounding the building. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Have you checked the building at the corner of Green
and. . . Knights of Columbus - do they have any parking available?
MR. LEE: I haven't had a chance to, no.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay. I know they rent some parking - I don't know as
they have spaces available. Have you asked the owners of any of
the parking lots that are in that area?
MR. LEE: Yes and they all say they are full. Some of the other
people in the immediate area (unintelligible) and it just ends up
becoming - it's like if you have to tear up the back yard - it will
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end up decreasing the value of the piece of property next to it. I
have not been able to find any spaces within a reasonable amount
within two blocks of the place, thus far.
MR. SIEVERDING: The distance allowable in this zone is seven
hundred and fifty feet?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Seven hundred and fifty feet, yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: To address your questions further John, I notice
that the proposed and the existing parking deficiencies remain the
same, in any event.
MR. OAKLEY: Yes, I realize that and I think that's
(unintelligible) but I 'd like to think the deficiency as. . ..
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The point is that if we had a chance to make the
parking situation better we were going to try. I 'm just merely
pointing out, Charles, that as proposed, it is no different than
what it was, that you still have the same deficiency - it is not
exacerbated. There is no difference between a lawyer's office and
a beauty salon with respect to parking.
MR. SIEVERDING: They both generate the same number of cars do you
think?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well that was the question that I had, of course,
but that's the law.
MR. OAKLEY: It's just that the lawyer makes more in the end.
MR. LEE: You've got that right.
MR. OAKLEY: They see more people per hour. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's why a beauty salon has to move so fast.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: (unintelligible) off-street parking
within five hundred feet and a thousand feet along normal
pedestrian thoroughfare.
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MR. WEAVER: Yes but there is a zone restriction too, is there not?
Just say that it has to be within so many feet along a street - and
that trip along the street takes him into residential area, it is
no go.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: It has to stay within the same
district.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Further questions of the appellant? [none] Thank
you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in favor of
granting this appeal? [no one] Is there anyone who would like to
speak in opposition? [no one] The case is ours. I 'll entertain a
motion.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: There was an amendment to the Zoning
Ordinance that says seven hundred fifty feet, not a thousand feet.
A thousand feet in residential, seven hundred fifty feet in a
commercial zone.
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1856 FOR 107 SOUTH ALBANY STREET
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of Joseph W. Lee
for an area variance to permit the conversion of the building at
107 South Albany Street from a lawyer's office plus a dwelling
unit, to a beauty salon plus a dwelling unit. The decision of the
Board was as follows:
MR. OAKLEY: I move that the Board grant the area variance
requested in Appeal Number 1856 with the condition that the
applicant provide adequate off-street parking.
MR. PECK: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. The proposed use is permitted in the neighborhood.
2 . The alteration and the type of business in the building does
not exacerbate the existing parking deficiencies nor does it
exacerbate any of the other deficiencies.
3. The existing deficiencies on side and front yard would be
extremely difficult to resolve because it would involve either
moving or the demolition of the building - the moving of one
side and the demolition of the other.
VOTE: 5 YES; 0 NO GRANTED W/CONDITION
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DISCUSSION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1856 WHICH TOOK PLACE AFTER THE MOTION
WAS MADE AND SECONDED BUT BEFORE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN:
MR. WEAVER: You mean - there is an opportunity to provide parking
space - both physically and from a position of enforcement. I
wonder if. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do you want a condition?
MR. WEAVER: Well I just wonder that - here is a place that has
parking space and I don't see why it can't be used. The
neighborhood is pretty heavily impacted, at least in the day time.
Many of these old houses - there is no opportunity to get there or
to develop it. I 'm not against gardens, I 'm just saying that there
is nothing in the Ordinance that says we must preserve gardens, but
there is in the Ordinance that says that we should provide parking.
I see no practical difficulty in providing parking.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Maker of the motion has to accept or reject
friendly amendments.
MR. WEAVER: Well I haven't said an amendment but I think that it
should be subject to providing adequate off-street parking. That
doesn't require the tearing up of the back yard - he can go rent it
any place he wants to within the required distance, but I see no
reason for not providing it.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: All of the off-street parking? I 'm just
questioning.
MR. WEAVER: Yes. Three more spaces.
MR. OAKLEY: Well the driveway space is no longer kept so he has to
create five spaces.
MR. WEAVER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So he is going to take out that beautiful garden?
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MR. PECK: And the carport?
MR. WEAVER: I 've listened to this argument before. The Ordinance
doesn't talk about gardens and nice back yards - it talks about
off-street parking. And this is not in a residential zone - quite
the contrary, it is in a zone where the City is encouraging the
development of business property rather than nice houses.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well the maker of the motion still has to accept
or reject.
MR. OAKLEY: I 'm not sure what I 'm accepting or rejecting.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The motion. . .
MR. WEAVER: I would second the motion for that matter subject to
the condition that the appellant provide adequate off-street
parking.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And here we thought we were going to bring this
one to a quick conclusion.
MR. SIEVERDING: Adequate as called for in the Ordinance? Five?
MR. WEAVER: Sure, five.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Five altogether.
MR. PECK: The two spaces are in front?
MR. OAKLEY: No the two spaces are (unintelligible)
MR. WEAVER: But they may become access to the other and they
wouldn't be allowed in the driveway.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So he has the choice either to rent or to carve up
as much of the rear yard as he needs. And you know what that
means. It is up to Mr. Oakley, entirely, in this instance as to
whether in fact he wants to proceed with this notion - he has a
motion and a second. I feel like Allen Ludden over here on the
side.
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MR. OAKLEY: Definitely . . . I 'm trying to think of the best way to
do this (unintelligible)
MR. SIEVERDING: He's got both alternatives, either within the
seven hundred and fifty feet and in the back yard, if he can get
two off-site, then he can do three on-site. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Well I 'll accept that. .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You'll accept the amendment?
MR. OAKLEY: I 'll accept the amendment and we will see what happens.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Is the amendment on the record or would you like
it stated by the maker?
RECORDING SECRETARY: Well, we have "subject to the condition that
the appellant provide adequate off-street parking" and then do you
want either within seven hundred and fifty feet. . .
MR. OAKLEY: No you don't need to put that in.
RECORDING SECRETARY: And then do we delete one of the findings?
"Where he has made serious attempts at finding additional
parking". . .
MR. OAKLEY: It does seem like that finding is extremely deletable,
I 'm glad Barbara made a suggestion like that.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And the seconder, Jack? You would accept the
amendment?
MR. PECK: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Are there further discussions about this?
Further thoughts? Let's have a vote.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The vote in Appeal Number 1856 is 5
votes in favor - 5 yes votes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So the appeal is granted.
MR. LEE: Subject to?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Subject to your parking requirements.
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MR. LEE: I have to get them within seven hundred and fifty feet?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Right or you have the option of providing it
on-site, in your back yard.
MR. LEE: Thanks.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I guess I should say you are welcome.
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is APPEAL NUMBER 1857
FOR 109 HARVARD PLACE:
Appeal of Mary Bramble for an interpretation of Section
30.47 of the Zoning Ordinance to determine whether the
property at 109 Harvard Place has "grandfather rights" as
a preexisting nonconforming use as a multiple residence
for six unrelated persons in the main unit and two
unrelated persons in the basement apartment. The
Building Commissioner has determined that because the
property did not have a valid Certificate of Compliance
for use as a multiple dwelling at the time the
neighborhood was rezoned to R-1b, no grandfather rights
were established. The property is located in an R-1b
(Residential, single-family dwellings) Use District in
which only single-family dwellings are permitted;
therefore the appellant must either establish that a
legal preexisting nonconforming use was established at
the time that the area was rezoned, or obtain a use
variance for the nonconforming use.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Dirk, I think you are representing Ms. Bramble?
Have a seat if you would and begin by identifying yourself - did
you want to bring up that. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes if I may.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: If you want to have a seat and if you would begin
with the regular identification procedure.
MR. GALBRAITH: Thank you. Good evening. My name is Dirk
Galbraith, I 'm the attorney for the appellant, Mary Bramble, I have
professional offices at 200 East Buffalo Street in Ithaca. At this
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time I 'd like to hand out to the members of the Board copies of an
income and expense statement concerning this property that I am
going to be referring to and I would ask that a copy of the
statement and a copy of the diagrams and the map that I brought
with it be made part of the record of the proceedings.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So long as we can xerox reduce those.
MR. GALBRAITH: By way of a brief introduction concerning this
property, it is located near the intersection of Harvard Place and
Elmwood Avenue and it is outlined in black and designated 109 on
this map which I obtained from the City Engineer's office. The
character of the neighborhood is somewhat indicated by the
properties which have been outlined in red. Those properties are
in the immediate vicinity of 109 Harvard Place and as far as the
appellant and I can determine, those properties are presently
devoted to multiple residence use.
VOICE IN THE AUDIENCE: Legally or illegally. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Do you want me to respond to that?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Please, we've got to hold comments from the
audience - with all due respect. . . Ellen, you'll have your chance
later on.
MR. GALBRAITH: In any event, we believe those properties are
presently devoted to multiple residence use and this is the
location of 109 Harvard Place. 109 Harvard Place is occupied on
three levels and we have a floor plan with us this evening that
Mrs. Bramble, I think, is going to talk about a little bit later,
but I 'd like to orient the Board to what it is. What we have
denominated the ground floor might also be referred to as the
basement and it is - and has been since the late 1970's - an
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apartment separated from the upper portions of the building,
consisting of two bedrooms, a living room, kitchen and bath. The
first floor of 109 Harvard Place consists of a living area, which
at one time was occupied by Mrs. Bramble and her family, consists
of two bedrooms, the first bedroom was, I think, for a long time
used as a study and not a bedroom - garage, kitchen area, living
room and two porches. The second floor is laid out at the present
time as five bedrooms, a kitchen, hallway and a bath - so I think
what you can see here is a fairly large residence and one that has
living areas on three floors - kitchens and bath areas also on
three floors and presently nine bedrooms. Now this is as the
application indicates, application for an interpretation of the
Zoning Ordinance and there is a slight, I think, procedural
question that I would like to address to begin with and explain my
reasoning for making the application in this way. Section 30.47 of
the Zoning Ordinance provides that - I 'm going to summarize this -
that when the zone of a particular area changes it is the
obligation of the property owner to make an application to the
Building Commissioner for a Certificate of Compliance and if the
property owner can establish that he or she has a valid
pre-existing non-conforming use, then it survives the change in the
Ordinance. The Ordinance 30.47 continues that any property owner
who fails to file a claim within the ninety day period may also
file with the Board of Zoning Appeals following the provisions of
Section 30. 58 of this Article which is the general section dealing
with variances. Now I believe for reasons that I 'm going to
explain to you, historically Mrs. Bramble probably should have
filed a claim in 1977, at the time that the definition of an R-2
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zone changed to include multiple residences - she did not.
Subsequently the zoning of this particular area changed again in
1985 from R-2a to R-1b, which is the present zone. Again, Mrs.
Bramble did not file a claim. My interpretation of the Ordinance,
subject to whatever the Board's determination is on this point is,
that at this point Mrs. Bramble is just simply following the
alternative route that is outlined in this Section, she failed to
file a timely claim with the Building Commissioner, therefore she
is coming to the Board of Zoning Appeals, asking that this body
determine that she had a pre-existing, non-conforming use dating
back to 1977 prior. I received a copy of a letter from the
Building Commissioner, Mr. Hoard, which I believe is also part of
the record of the proceedings since it is addressed to the Board,
and although I have the highest regard for Mr. Hoard's knowledge of
this subject, I do have one disagreement with his letter. I don't
believe that under the circumstances Mrs. Bramble was required to
file an appeal from any determination of his within thirty (30)
days or any other period of time, in fact, what we are asking for
is an interpretation - I think - going back to 1977 rather than an
appeal from any determination that Mr. Hoard has made. Now he
suggests in his letter that this is really a straight appeal for a
variance - in the event that the Board determines that that is how
you wish to handle this, as a straight appeal for a use variance -
then we are prepared to present proof on that as well. So I guess
there is really two aspects to this, one a request for an
interpretation - interpretation being that Mrs. Bramble had
obtained grandfather rights to operate this property as a multiple
residence prior to 1977 and secondly, in the alternative, that she
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is now entitled to a use variance to continue the use to which the
property has been devoted since then. Now with that introduction,
if the Board permits, I would like to ask my client, Mrs. Bramble,
some questions that I hope will bring out some of the facts
concerning this property.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Before you go any further, I 'd like to ask Peter
to check on Tom's thirty day determination question and for
clarification sake, we are going to go along the lines that you
have suggested, that are part of the official notification - we are
going to deal with the question of interpretation and then the
question of use variance - whenever, if it should come up, okay?
MR. GALBRAITH: Fine. Mrs. Bramble, where do you live?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I live in Watertown, Massachusetts at the moment.
MR. GALBRAITH: What do you do there?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I'm a secretary.
MR. GALBRAITH: And do you own the property at 109 Harvard Place?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I do.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how long have you owned that property?
MRS. BRAMBLE: It was purchased for me in part of a divorce
settlement in 1975. My husband stating and my lawyers agreeing,
that this would be a good piece of property for me to have and to
bring in money as inflation went on and when the children were
grown I could then rent rooms. At the time we purchased it from
Dean Cranch, it was a multiple dwelling and there was no problem of
it ever becoming anything else that I knew of. I had no idea - I
was not a business woman - it wasn't required that I be.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Had you had any prior experience operating a
real estate. . .
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MRS. BRAMBLE: No. I had a family at that time and I wouldn't have
moved into Collegetown except for the fact that this looked like a
good possibility. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: I 'd like the Board - if I could - to take, I
suppose, judicial notice or whatever kind of notice Boards take,
that in 1975 the zoning in this area was R-2, which under the then
current definition, permitted multiple residence use. Now, Mrs.
Bramble, when you bought the property, how many people were in your
family?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I have four children - one went away to college and
I moved into 109 Harvard Place with three children.
MR. GALBRAITH: And can you tell me by reference to the diagram,
where did you and your children stay in the property? Where did
they sleep?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Okay. I stayed downstairs in one of the bedrooms and
three children in 1975 were upstairs and that was 1975.
MR. GALBRAITH: Now after that, Mrs. Bramble, did the time come
when you converted the basement to an apartment?
MRS. BRAMBLE: The basement was already an apartment - I made it
into two bedrooms - it was approved by Mr. Naegely. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: What year was that, do you know?
MRS. BRAMBLE: That was 1976.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. So in 1976 how many people did you have
living in the apartment in the basement?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Two.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how many members in your household lived in the
property?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Five.
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MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. And did the time come when you started
taking in boarders in the upstairs?
MRS. BRAMBLE: As soon as my - I did exactly what we had planned to
do in this divorce settlement - as soon as my second daughter left
for college I now rented two rooms upstairs.
MR. GALBRAITH: What year did she go to college?
MRS. BRAMBLE: In 1977.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Now were you aware at that time that you
were required to obtain a certificate of zoning compliance?
MRS. BRAMBLE: No I was not. I remember this was discussed with
the Cranches at the closing - there was no certificate required -
for me to have at the time when I bought the property and I assumed
that I had no problems with it - at that time . . .
MR. GALBRAITH: So in 1977 how many occupants did you have in the
basement?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Two.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how many boarders did you have on the second
floor?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Two.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how many members of your family lived in the
first floor?
MRS. BRAMBLE: There were two up and down and then two coming home.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay, when you say two up and down. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: Okay, my daughter down and my son up with two
boarders - so four. Two boarders and two children. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: I see, and yourself.
MRS. BRAMBLE: And myself and two in the basement.
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MR. GALBRAITH: Now did a time come when your remaining children
grew up and moved out of the home?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes. My third daughter left in 1979 and my son now
is downstairs with me - second bedroom. And then I rented all the
bedrooms upstairs which were four.
MR. GALBRAITH: So what year did you rent four rooms upstairs?
MRS. BRAMBLE: 1979.
MR. GALBRAITH: And at that time none of the members of your family
lived upstairs on the second floor, is that correct?
MRS. BRAMBLE: That is correct.
MR. GALBRAITH: And you and your son lived on the first floor. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: Right.
MR. GALBRAITH: And you had two renters in the ground floor
apartment?
MRS. BRAMBLE: That is correct.
MR. GALBRAITH: How long did that continue?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Well it has continued since 1976 . . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Right up until the present time?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Right.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Now Mrs. Bramble, during the period of time
from 1979 to the present, did a time come when you moved out of 109
Harvard Place?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes. I moved to North Hampton in 1985.
MR. GALBRAITH: I 'd like to point out, our application indicates
that in 1984 Mrs. Bramble moved - that was an error - she moved in
1985. Now what was the reason that you moved to Massachusetts?
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MRS. BRAMBLE: My son was having problems and I wanted to get him
away and I needed a better job, so I decided to move out of Ithaca
basically for the sake of my son.
MR. GALBRAITH: And after you moved out of the residence and your
son moved with you, to what use did you devote the first floor
where you two had been living?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I rented the first floor to a young couple.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Now up to that point, in 1985, had you ever
had any complaints from anybody about what you were doing?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Never had any complaints during the ten years that I
lived there, until the time - well, until recently.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Now Mrs. Bramble. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: I'm sorry - I did have a complaint - I have never,
myself, had any complaints and there was no reason that I should
have complaints.
MR. GALBRAITH: In 1986, do you recall receiving a letter from the
Building Commissioner's office about the property?
MRS. BRAMBLE: In 1986 I did receive a letter stating that I needed
to come in and see Mr. Hoard - which I did - and at that time I was
trying to decide whether to stay away or come back to Ithaca myself
and I went to see Mr. Hoard at that time.
MR. GALBRAITH: What discussion did you have with Mr. Hoard?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Well I think he - at that time - was when he told me
there were too many names on the mail boxes and I was over rented.
Now nothing was said about the certificate of compliance still -
that hadn't come out yet. And at that time, actually I put the
house on the market for sale.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how much did you list the house for?
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MRS. BRAMBLE: $150,000. 00.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how long did the house stay on the market?
MRS. BRAMBLE: For three months.
MR. GALBRAITH: And did you receive any offers at that time?
MRS. BRAMBLE: No, only inquiries about it. (unintelligible)
MR. GALBRAITH: Now in 1986 then, you knew from the Building
Commissioner's letter to you and your conversation with Mr. Hoard,
that the use of the property that you were devoting it to was not
in compliance with the zoning at that time, didn't you?
MRS. BRAMBLE: No, I was not sure of that - it wasn't made clear to
me that it wasn't in compliance because it always had been four up
and - two in the first floor and two in the ground floor.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. Was there something that happened to you in
1986 that made it difficult for you to deal with the property, or
correct the violations that Mr. Hoard had pointed out?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I had a nervous breakdown in the summer of 1986 and I
was in the hospital for two weeks. This was being -
(unintelligible) lawyer in town and then the property [changed tape
here, therefore missed some of Mrs. Bramble's dialogue] . . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Now Mrs. Bramble, in 1987, did you receive a
operating statement concerning this property from Mr. Gardner,
showing the total rents received and your expenses?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes I did.
MR. GALBRAITH: And I have prepared an income and expense statement
based on Mr. Gardner's record - have you had a chance to review
that?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes.
MR. GALBRAITH: And is that accurate to the best of your knowledge?
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MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes it is.
MR. GALBRAITH: And I 've dug through information that we have, we
have Mr. Gardner's operating statement here and I would be happy to
submit it to the Board - I also have Mrs. Bramble's 1987 federal
income tax return which contains basically the same information.
And is that a true statement of really the current operating income
and expenses for this property?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes.
MR. GALBRAITH: And how many occupants did you have in the property
in 1987?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I had - okay, one more than I thought I was
required. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay, so how many is that?
MRS. BRAMBLE: That would be five upstairs. Two and two. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: So a total of nine?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Nine, right.
MR. GALBRAITH: Now Mrs. Bramble if you were required to reduce the
occupancy of this property to four people - being two in the
basement apartment and two in the entire upstairs - for the coming
rental year, what would you be able to rent the basement for?
MRS. BRAMBLE: $450.00.
MR. GALBRAITH: How do you know that?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I have it rented.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. For that amount?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes.
MR. GALBRAITH: And what rental could you obtain for the upstairs
of the residence, based on two occupants?
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MRS. BRAMBLE: Okay. I think I could get $575. for that - I 'm
paying all utilities in this case.
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes. Mrs. Bramble, if you were required to operate
the property in that fashion, could you meet your expenses?
MRS. BRAMBLE: No I couldn't.
MR. GALBRAITH: At this time we have no further testimony that I 'd
like to offer from Mrs. Bramble and I would ask for any questions
from the Board to either myself or Mrs. Bramble.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Any questions from members of the Board? . . . Sure
start at the beginning, insofar as that is possible but basically
focusing on the question of interpretation. . . . Peter has a
suggestion here - I asked the question first off about the thirty
day - remember the thirty day question that Tom had brought up and
Peter has found the particular Section.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: It would be Section 30.54 - would be
an order of the Commissioner - thirty days from the order of the
Commissioner. The Commissioner gave an order in March and then
considerable time went by and that's where the thirty days came
from.
VOICE IN THE AUDIENCE: We can't hear.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The thirty days came about from
Section 30.54 Enforcement Officer and it discusses the order of the
Commissioner - thirty days from the time that the Commissioner has
sent out an order, so that's the point of the thirty days.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Are you familiar with that. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: I know that that was recently enacted and my belief,
after reading it, was and still is, we are not appealing Mr.
Hoard's order. . .
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: No, I just wanted a clarification - you had
called that into question.
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I wanted you to understand where he got his
information - that was more for your - because you were essentially
questioning that - I thought we would bring that up right off and
get that out of the way, okay?
MR. GALBRAITH: That's fine. I understand that.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Sorry Herman, I didn't mean to interrupt but as
long as Peter had that fresh on the top of his head. . .
MR. SIEVERDING: That's okay. I guess what I would like to
understand is why the failure to respond each time this issue has
been brought to your attention? It just seems that the Building
Department and the Building Commissioner have made repeated
attempts to sort of bring this situation to a head and try to get
it resolved and yet each time appointments are made, they are not
kept, and information is sent and no response is received and here
we are almost six years after the date of the last letter that we
have in this packet - which is 1982 - which concerns the
discrepancy over one bedroom or two bedrooms in the ground floor
and yet the same questions remain unanswered. It seems to me that
property owners have a responsibility to be not only aware of what
the zoning code calls for but also to respond to communications
that are sent by the Commissioner. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: If I could respond to that first, then I 'd like to
maybe have Mrs. Bramble respond in her own words. The
Commissioner's file contains, I believe, a report of a November 23,
1983 inspection where, if I read the file correctly, the notation
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"this property conforms to current zoning" - so I think the problem
that we are talking about here didn't originate back in 1982 - if
anything it originated in 1986. I don't believe there were any
notices of violations sent to Mrs. Bramble between 1982 and 1986.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Peter has been looking at that because I
anticipated the question. It seems as though there were some
questions even as far as 1968 under the previous owner, as to how
many people were in there and whether in fact it was conforming and
this was essentially in written form to Mr. Cranch, the former
owner. So it has had a long history of questions - because Tom is
not here to defend himself, I 'm merely tracking - following his own
words and beginning to follow out - the case goes back - as he says
"a number of years" and involves a property which had a
non-conforming use as a multiple dwelling even under the previous
R-2a zoning. That is one of the things I had to find out for
myself - I mean, we seem to have evidence of that in the file.
MR. GALBRAITH: Well, okay, if I could respond to that. Indeed it
was non-conforming under the R-2a zone, at least after 1977 because
after 1977 R-2 did not permit multiple dwellings. I would submit
that before 1977 this was a conforming use as a multiple dwelling
because before that reinactment of the ordinance in 1977 multiple
residence was a permitted use in an R-2 zone.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: In 1968 the record seems to indicate it
was a two-family dwelling and then it continued - there never seems
to be any indication that I can find here - I 'm trying to track
this thing down along the way here - Tom is not available so - he
gave me some information on it but the file seems to do much
better. In 168 it shows a two-family dwelling, doesn't really
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discuss the number of people and it continues on . . . various times
but in 1979 again it shows - it seems to indicate that it was a
two-family dwelling here - a basement apartment and the owner's
apartment. If I had to interpret it, I really wouldn't see that
there is a multiple dwelling, if that is a two-family dwelling, an
owner's apartment and a basement apartment. And back in March 1979
- so that is past the 1977 ordinance initiation of the new
ordinance and so if you were to establish anything, you could
establish a two-family dwelling and I do believe Tom made some
indication that that is in the file - that he accepted it as a
two-family dwelling.
MR. GALBRAITH: I guess the only thing I can say in response to
that is that, had Mrs. Bramble - back in 1977 - when the definition
of R-2 changed, come and obtained a certificate of compliance and
the Building Commissioner's office had then become aware that she
had two roomers - two boarders - living in the upstairs of her
home, besides her own family - I don't think we would all be here
tonight - but she didn't, so. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: A boarder is permitted to live in with
the family and that still doesn't change it into a multiple
dwelling - it still makes it a two-family dwelling. So that
doesn't really change anything and then the question of violations
and such - inspections - there were inspections - I 'm looking at
one dated March 20, 1979 - which again talks about the basement
apartment and the owner's apartment and this list of violations and
there was actually some inspections at that time and there was also
a Housing Board variance granted. . .
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MR. GALBRAITH: I think the violations you just referred to are
housing code violations. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: True. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: And there were several applications before the
Housing Board of Review for variances from those and I think they
were granted.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: True, true but I think the question is
multiple dwelling or two-family dwelling or whatever is granted as
- what grandfather rights seem to be established and it seems to
indicate at best that it was a two-family dwelling - it was never a
multiple.
MR. GALBRAITH: Well I guess what I 'm trying to say about that is
that as I understand grandfather rights, is that once you use the
property at a certain level of occupancy, if the zoning changes you
shouldn't be permitted to continue that level of occupancy. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: True if it is legal - if it was
established, and I don't believe it was ever - according to the
file, again, it doesn't appear to have been established.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay then that's the whole point of the
application, here, it wasn't established - she didn't come to the
Building Commissioner and ask for a Certificate of Compliance and
now we are operating under the section of the ordinance - 30.47 -
that allows her to come to this Board and make a variance
application - when she didn't do that - she didn't ask for the
Certificate of Compliance in a timely fashion. What we are really
asking for is that the lady be permitted to maintain a level of
occupancy which she had in 1977, which was legal at the time.
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MR. OAKLEY: I have a question. Leaving aside the exact occupancy
at that time - you are saying that she is coming - not for a
variance but for recognition of her grandfather rights?
MR. GALBRAITH: The way I made the application. . .
MR. OAKLEY: What do you do with the 30.47 - Section 2 - paragraph
2 of Section 2. . . where it says - I think we should read the whole
thing. . . "It shall be the responsibility of the Building
Commissioner to determine on a case by case basis which buildings
or land have uses which will become legal non-conforming uses under
the new regulations. In making these determinations he shall rely
on the property records in his office. " So it is clear that he has
a responsibility to look through the records that we are
considering right now based on the most recent information
available for each building or land. "In cases where the actual
property use differs from the use of record, it shall be the
property owner's responsibility to file a claim with the supporting
documentation to the Building Commissioner within ninety days after
the effective date of the amendment changing the regulation. " And
that strikes me as being not a question of filing from the time of
the Building Commissioner's ruling, not a question of really
appealing the Building Commissioner's ruling, but when the zoning
changes - in order to preserve grandfather rights, the property
owner has the requirement to make an application, if the paper
record does not support the property owner, within ninety days and
that would seem to be well after ninety days.
MR. GALBRAITH: If it is not abundantly obvious, let me make it
obvious - that this is not Jason Fane or William Lower that we are
dealing with here and her level of sophistication about matters
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such as this is minimal and I would refer you to the last sentence
of the same paragraph that you just quoted and I quote, "any
property owner who fails to file a claim within the ninety day
filing period, may also file with the Board of Zoning Appeals
following the provisions of Section 30. 58 of this Article" which is
just what we've done.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So to come back to Herman's question, and more
particularly, directed to Mrs. Bramble - the reason you didn't file
was because you didn't know you were supposed to file?
MRS. BRAMBLE: For a Certificate of Compliance?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: For a Certificate of Compliance and essentially
to move this into compliance (unintelligible)
MRS. BRAMBLE: Right. I have no recollection - and, you know,
there were times when I was taking care of children, working and
trying to rent this house - the zoning changing - I know that in
the beginning it was mostly (unintelligible) to worry about that.
In 1983 Cornell would not list any property unless you had a
Certificate of Compliance and that's where I got my students - from
Cornell. Lee Naegely came and inspected the house and I think I had
one problem - a door lock in the back - and I guess it was February
or March - during the time of the rental season - and he called up
Cornell and said that I basically have my certificate but the paper
work would come. So I listed it again at Cornell and went on and
didn't think about the Certificate of Compliance - not knowing that
this piece of paper was important. Mr. Naegely did not send it to
me and I found out this year I don't have it. Although I was -
Cornell listed my property because Mr. Naegely said I have a
Certificate of Compliance for the four plus two - and that's the
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way I listed my property. So I didn't worry about it the piece of
paper. That's one of the reasons why I didn't do that. Actually -
I think he made some note about the lock but he did not make a note
about his call to Cornell, but there is no way that Cornell would
take anybody's property at the time unless you had a Certificate.
The other letter - one was in 1986, I came immediately and made the
decision to put it on the real estate market so I wouldn't have to
go through all of this and I don't think there was any other time
that I didn't respond - although Mr. Hoard talks about numerous
times - (unintelligible) the times when they told me that I needed
anything that I didn't proceed to get it.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Was that letter of 1982 you mentioned?
MRS. BRAMBLE: It was 1983 that the inspection occurred, I think.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: I have a letter December 17, 1982 with
some discussion with Lee Naegely concerning property information
forms and some discrepancy and "please call me and set up a time
for a discussion to discuss this problem and show me the other . . . "
he talks about other rooms that needed to be - that was December
17, 1982 - there seemed to be a discrepancy at that point and
then. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: Is that the one at the bottom of the page? February
1983, Lock on rear door. That's when he had inspected the
property. Also there was another time when I was thinking of
putting on - as you can see, the note about Chris Anagnost looking
into the property for sale. So it was 1983, as I stated before.
You see the note - it says "lock on rear door" that's when he had
inspected it and that's when he called Cornell. Mr. Hoard knows
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the situation, Mr. Hoard said, "well it is not our responsibility
to see that we send out all the certificates. " [sic]
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: When did you move in 1985, exactly what month?
MRS. BRAMBLE: September. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So it was after the property had been rezoned?
The rezoning occurred on the 7th of August.
MRS. BRAMBLE: On the 7th? I didn't know that.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: There just seems to be a general
continuation of letters which - something was started and then it
was never completed. "In reviewing past inspections and the status
of this inspection - it was found that the property was inspected
but the inspection was not completed" - that's December 29, 1981
and then there is a September 14, 1982 "it has been brought to my
attention that a reinspection for the rental unit has never been
done. " Your letter of March 179 said - then it talks about
certain pieces of work that needed to be done and there is a
beginning and there was never anything quite finished off - in
December 17, 1982 - it just continues on - there was never a
Certificate - it never got to the point of a Certificate. "I have
received your rental property information form and notice that
it. . . " - there seems to be continuous discussion - over the years
there has been continuous discussion with you, by mail, or by
telephone, that something was in error - missing - but it was never
- apparently - followed through by you, it seems.
MR. GALBRAITH: I don't know if I'm out of order, but I address the
question to you Peter, do you have the results of the November 23,
1983 inspection of this property?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Most likely.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: November 22, 1983?
MR. GALBRAITH: Either 22nd or 23rd. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: 1983 - it is a computer printout.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Yes, we have a report. There were
various deficiencies. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: Isn't there a notation in your files as a result of
that inspection that said that the property conforms to the current
zoning?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: This is a printout so it probably
wouldn't be on here - I 'd have to find - you are talking about
something in long hand?
MR. GALBRAITH: My notes don't indicate what it was - just the fact
that it was there.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We've got a computer printout, Dirk, but we don't
have the information from which the computer printout was
generated. on 22nd. . .
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: I 'm trying to find that note of yours
but I don't - we have a number of forms and I don't see that
particular note.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do you have any recollection of what it looks like
physically?
MR. GALBRAITH: Perhaps if we move on to the comments from the
public, I might have the opportunity to look at the file, perhaps I
could find it rather than hold this up any longer.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Right. It seems as though several of the entrys
were put in at a particular date in 183, including your comment and
the computer generated it out at a particular date, but the actual
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information may have been earlier. Shall we move on to more
questions?
MR. WEAVER: Yes. The interpretation which this application asks
for appears to be based upon the assumption that the second part of
the requirements for grandfathering are the tests that should be
made and I guess in the interpretation we'd have to hold to the
records as they exist or some superior proof if it is available. I
can't get that far, feeling that the interpretation might be rather
special in this case, rather than a general interpretation of the
Ordinance. And go back to 1977 when the Ordinance was changed and
clearly disallowed multiple residences in that zone. In 1977 the
appellant was occupying the house with her children - some going
away to school for a few months and some returning - but as I
understand it - in 1977, the year of first concern, that there was
a basement apartment - ground floor, if you will - occupied by two
people and that the appellant occupied the first and second floors
with her children and one or two other tenants, not related. Is
that your understanding of the conditions in 1977?
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes.
MR. WEAVER: This is when the Ordinance was amended.
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes.
MR. WEAVER: Did that continue for any length of time? When did you
cease to occupy the first and second floors with your family?
MRS. BRAMBLE: In 1985.
MR. WEAVER: A question to the Chair. I understand the definition
of multiple dwelling being three units or three or more unrelated
persons and if we have - clearly, an apartment - a living unit in
the basement and the owner occupying the first floor or parts of
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both the first and second floor, with her children and has no more
than two roomers, that's not a multiple dwelling. I don't see how
you can extend all of this into a fight over whether it is
grandfathered - there was nothing there to grandfather, in my
simple mind.
MR. GALBRAITH: Okay. I guess my rebuttal to that would be that
the family plus the two unrelated individuals would seem to be the
equivalent of three unrelated individuals.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Three unrelated doesn't make a
multiple.
MR. WEAVER: Not the dictionary I use. I 'm just saying to you that
we are stuck with the definitions of the Zoning Ordinance and I
understand a multiple dwelling to be three living units or that a
family and more than two unrelated persons to bring it into a
multiple dwelling definition. If it was a duplex - because it had
a separate apartment - never mind who is there - if it was a
legally occupied apartment - in the first and second floor however,
the owner plus not more than two unrelated persons were the
occupants for - apparently - several years, as the children were
going on to college. I don't know what year it was that you had
three unrelated persons living with you but apparently some
substantial number of years beyond 1977.
MRS. BRAMBLE: 179.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: No, you said boarders began in 1977, using the
upstairs.
MRS. BRAMBLE: Right - two of them.
MR. WEAVER: Yes but I 'm talking about how many.
MRS. BRAMBLE: Two. And then two - and then four. . .
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And then two after that initial two?
MRS. BRAMBLE: I 'm doing this by year - and then four in 1979.
MR. OAKLEY: Can I ask what happened on this form that was filled
out on December 2, 1982 . . . you are aware of the property. . . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes, because I didn't know what to do and I just did
it and I remember sending it in - being (unintelligible) some split
system that would give (unintelligible) . . . but I just didn't put
the answer down because I wasn't exactly sure at that particular
time, what it was.
MR. OAKLEY: You mean the number - you weren't sure what the number
of roomers was or. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: No, the number allowed. It isn't how many you
have, it's. . .
MR. OAKLEY: It says, check whether occupied by: single family,
second line: single family plus number of roomers or boarders. . .
MRS. BRAMBLE: Right.
MR. OAKLEY: It doesn't seem that complicated.
MRS. BRAMBLE: I wasn't sure what I was supposed to put, okay? So I
didn't put exactly what the situation was and (unintelligible) Mr.
Naegely or Mr. Hoard or anybody else call me up and say, why didn't
you fill it in? At that time I didn't know what to put so I didn't
put anything in, as a result of that.
MR. OAKLEY: But in fact it should have been filled out something
like - single family plus four roomers or boarders?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes - this was in 182.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So already we have (unintelligible) . . .
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MR. WEAVER: As you expressed that, you see, occupants of an
apartment aren't "plus four" - they are "plus whoever is down
there" but the people that are living with the family. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Well, this is in Unit Number 1 - are you looking at the
form?
MR. WEAVER: No I 'm not. . .
MR. OAKLEY: The form has a Unit No. 1 and a Unit No. 2 - Unit No. 2
is listed as having two unrelated individuals in it, Unit No. 1 is
listed - there are three options, one of which is single family,
one of which is single family plus roomers and/or boarders. . .
MR. WEAVER: But the Ordinance says "per living unit" and if you
have a duplex, you can have two unrelated persons living in it
legally. Now you have a family with two more unrelated persons
living in it - that's four unrelated persons in the building but
not a multiple dwelling, okay?
MR. OAKLEY: I 'm not disagreeing with your interpretation, I 'm just
wondering why the form was filled out in this way. . .
MR. WEAVER: Go ahead, I don't mind.
MR. OAKLEY: . . .which doesn't seem to indicate the history of that.
MR. WEAVER: I didn't fill it out, I don't know.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Let's focus a little more closely on the question
of interpretation because - you began to, I think, Charles. . .
MR. WEAVER: Well I was pointing out that in the Ordinance that it
is an either/or - not a list of requirements but was 30.47
Non-conforming Uses - "whenever the regulations district in which
the building or land is located are changed by amendments so that
the use under the new regulation is non-conforming, that use may be
continued as a legal non-conforming use under the new regulations
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only if one or more of the following conditions: " Well, Item 1 -
the use conformed to the regulation in effect before the amendment
and it seems to me on the face of the application, it states that
it was not being used as a multiple dwelling at the time that the
Ordinance was changed, so I can't get up to speed to discuss with
you all of the entanglements of trying to prove it - rather I have
the problem of whether there is a case to be argued - including the
arguments of the Building Commissioner. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Certainly simplifies the issue.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay. .
MR. WEAVER: . . .not sure that - I don't agree with the Building
Commissioner or the Attorney, so I 'm really stuck here. I 'm just
saying that, as I read this, and Peter - or Mr. Chairman - I 'd be
delighted to have you tell me what's wrong with my conclusion up to
this point.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: No. There is nothing wrong with your conclusion
at this point, Charles. It is eminently simple, practical, and
down to earth, so, it is really a shame we didn't discover it
twenty minutes ago. Let's move on. That being the case, let me go
back to. . .
MR. WEAVER: I 'm not sure it was the case but what I have in front
of me says that was the. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I 'm looking ahead procedurally for the rest of
the appellant's case. If this were the case, and the Board were to
rule that it were the case, do you want to then proceed, as I would
expect you to - to the use variance question?
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Then let me ask the other members of - I rather
agree with Charles - if you agree with Charles, then I think it
would be most expedient if - before going to public testimony we
essentially have a motion that essentially agrees with the
interpretation - I don't see that - there is nothing to be gained
more or less by going through it twice, right? By going through
the public testimony twice - we would be much better served if
Charles - or someone - would make a motion to the effect and -
stated so clearly - we go ahead and have a motion and then Dirk can
go on to the question of the use variance and Mrs. Bramble can put
forward the rest of the evidence in that regard. We are all
agreed? You understand what I. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: I understand the motion. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Okay. Can we have a motion Charles, seeing as
how you were the instigator in this instance?
MR. WEAVER: I only have in front of me the Building Commissioner's
letter of June 28, 1988.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We need a motion, though, essentially.
MR. WEAVER: But, well, to try to pick out of that - the sum total,
as I read it, is that the property had a non-conforming use as a
multiple dwelling under R-2a, which I have difficulty agreeing
with. But his final conclusion that "failing to obtain a
Certificate of Compliance within the required time" disqualifies
the property as having any grandfather rights - I agree with that
and support the Commissioner's conclusion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: But we need a motion.
MR. WEAVER: I move that the conclusion that the subject property -
failing to obtain the required Certificate of Compliance within the
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appropriate time of the amendment of the Ordinance is in fact a
failure to qualify for grandfather rights.
MR. SIEVERDING: I second the motion.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Would you be better served - improve the motion -
to nail it back to Section 30.47?
MR. WEAVER: Yes, I suppose.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Because - I think the findings of fact are useful
in this regard. You understand what I 'm after?
MR. OAKLEY: The question that I have is - I tend to agree with
Charlie in agreeing with the Building Commissioner, but I 'm not
sure that if Charlie had - you know, Charlie seems to have
demonstrated that the point is moot and and it seems to me
difficult to make an interpretation on a. . .
MR. WEAVER: Well the appellant has asked for an interpretation and
that is. . .
MR. OAKLEY: And a person can ask for an interpretation even when
they have no bearing on the case?
MR. WEAVER: They have a right to that.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right.
MR. WEAVER: You see here is essentially an order of the Building
Commissioner based upon his determination that even though he
assumed - or he believes that it had grandfather rights in 1977,
that failure to meet the deadlines on Certificate of Compliance. . .
MR. OAKLEY: Okay, I will accept it.
MR. WEAVER: Maybe it is the right of the property to have
grandfather rights under the zoning ordinance. . .
MR. OAKLEY: I just don't want to get into a position where
(unintelligible) . .
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MR. WEAVER: I 'd not like to lead you into a position, in fact, I 'd
be glad to have this polished up, if that's . . . .
MR. OAKLEY: No, no. I 'm happy with it.
MR. WEAVER: Well. . .
MR. PECK: The interpretation is 30.47 is in fact the appellant did
not apply for the variance. . . (unintelligible)
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Well use conformed to regulations in effect before
the amendment - that's the whole, essentially to quote - Charles
you would have to make the motion I can't.
MR. WEAVER: I move that the ruling of the Building Commissioner in
the case of the property at 109 Harvard Place, that the property
did not have grandfather rights under Section 30.47 of the Zoning
Ordinance and therefore had to comply with the R-1b zoning
requirements - is correct and that this Board supports his
interpretation, and I so move.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Before - from a parlimentarian point of view -
before we accept that, we have to make that a substitute motion.
You have to essentially acknowledge that's a substitute motion for
the other. . .
MR. WEAVER: In other words that we strike the first motion. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Strike the first motion, yes.
MR. WEAVER: This one will be substituted in its behalf.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Yes, okay?
MR. WEAVER: Okay, I can do that after. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We've done that okay? And the seconder accepts?
MR. SIEVERDING: That's fine.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Probably best to have this as a ballot and make it
1857a, unless there is further discussion?
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The vote on 1857a is 5 Yes and 0 No
votes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: The Building Commissioner's interpretation - we
are voting for the interpretation of the Building Commissioner but
not on the same grounds as the Building Commissioner put forward.
Now Dirk, if you want to - with Mrs. Bramble - address the
questions of use variance, which. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: I think most of the evidence I would like to
present on that point is really already before the Board. I
believe that granting a variance to permit more than the - what I
am going to refer to as the two-family use which is presently
permitted under the Zoning Ordinance. One - would not alter the
character of the neighborhood - the character of the neighborhood
as it presently stands is predominantly rental properties or
multiple residents, in fact, we apparently had another application
this evening - another property owner in the area - to install an
apartment in her residence, which was granted by this Board.
Second, I believe the property itself is unique in the regard that
unless large families come back into vogue, which, I think most
demographers tell us is not going to happen - it would be difficult
to find a single family that would want to rent both the first and
second floors of this property. The property is laid out on the
first and second floors - seven bedrooms - it is very contiguous to
the Cornell University and it is the type of housing that is more
suitable for students than certainly it would be for a single
family as far as the first and second floors are concerned. I
believe that the appellant has shown an economic hardship here in
that if the Zoning Ordinance were strictly enforced against her,
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she could not operate this property at a sufficient level of income
to enable her to meet her expenses - at least based upon the most
current full years experience which I believe in this case is an
average (unintelligible) property. I believe that property owners
such as Mrs. Bramble is entitled - or at least economists or most
realtors would say - is something like an eight percent return on
the value of her property and if you make the assumption that the
value of this property is some place around $150, 000.00 then Mrs.
Bramble should be able to net out some place around $10, 000.00 a
year. As it is, based on the figures that we have, if the Zoning
Ordinance is strictly enforced against her, she is not going to
derive any income but probably operate the property at a loss. Now
I think after I finish here the neighbors are going to get up to
speak and I think there is twenty of them and one of me and they
are going to have a lot to say - I would hope that the Board in
assessing this claim for a variance could make some reasonable
accommodation between the needs of Mrs. Bramble and the needs of
the neighbors. I believe that in this application, the Board could
grant a variance for a two-family occupancy plus additional
occupants of the - I 'm going to refer to it as the second floor -
someplace between the four that has been allowed and the eight that
has been requested. In other words there are several choices and I
think that - my own belief is that a fair resolution of this matter
would be to grant Mrs. Bramble some limited relief from the strict
requirements of the ordinance to enable her to derive some
reasonable amount of income from this property. Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board? You stated
you had the building for sale for a $150, 000.00 for three months,
was it?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Has it been on the market at any other point?
MRS. BRAMBLE: No.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: It is now?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Yes.
MR. SIEVERDING: And you just (unitelligible) the property today?
MRS. BRAMBLE: (unintelligible)
MR. SIEVERDING: And it is being marketed as what size property?
MRS. BRAMBLE: Whatever is legal.
MR. GALBRAITH: There is no purchase contract that has been signed
by Mrs. Bramble yet - she has had offers but they have been
contingent upon obtaining this type of a variance.
MR. SIEVERDING: So in other words you've got people who are
interested in the property but only interested in the property as
income?
MR. GALBRAITH: Yes.
MR. SIEVERDING: With four occupants?
MR. GALBRAITH: No, with - I think we are talking in the
neighborhood of six occupants.
MR. SIEVERDING: I see, but your analysis is based on four
occupants?
MR. GALBRAITH: My analysis - yes, showing a net loss is based on
four occupants. You see with the allowance of an additional two
occupants would put the rentals on the property up to a level where
it could be viably run.
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MR. SIEVERDING: Right, assuming we weren't going to go through and
actually investigate all these individual numbers which are
actually long term capital expenses and which ones are. . .
MR. GALBRAITH: We've got Jim Gardner's operating statement if you
can deduce it better from that - or her tax return.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: We probably have enough information here.
MRS. BRAMBLE: The previous time I had this on the market there
were no people interested as a family - first of all
(unintelligible) and this time there have been no people interested
as a family and I would never, myself, move there as a family on
that intersection right there with all the multiple housing across
the street. I moved there out of necessity because it was a better
income, as far as inflation and some sort of retirement/pension
plan for me than having my ex-husband give me "X" amount of dollars
which he said he would not do, so I had no choice, and I took three
children there, right on the edge of Collegetown which I did not
like and I cannot imagine any family wanting to live in that
environment unless they wanted to rent to students, which is why I
was there and why Tania Dayanoff is next door. Now for the ten
years that I lived there, there was absolutely no complaints in my
neighborhood about anything - I rented to students (unintelligible)
I don't see how any family is going to come and make an offer on
this house. It would be incredible if they did, I live absolutely
two blocks from Cornell University, which is surrounding me now and
there would be no reason for a family to be there - it is on an
intersection and has a very tiny back yard and it is not a place
for children and I don't think one couple is going to live there
unless they can rent it out, which is feasible.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Thank you both. Is there anyone else who would
like to speak in favor? [no one] Is there anyone who would like
to speak in opposition? Let's start from the front and move our
way back. You have to come up front - as with the previous cases,
we begin, please, with your name and address.
MS. MCALLISTER: My name is Ellen McAllister, I 'm here with my
husband, Robert Frank, and we live at 221 Bryant Avenue, which is
the property which backs up to Mary Bramble's property. I 'm sure
that other people have plenty to say, I would just like to make a
couple of observations, one is the assumption about the character
of the neighborhood, which I feel is incorrect - the character of
the neighborhood has changed somewhat, partly because of several of
the units that are outlined there, that are illegally converted.
However because of many of us in the neighborhood who are having
families it is very much a family neighborhood, it is a family
neighborhood that we are trying desperately to maintain. I think
that the character of the neighborhood has already been altered to
the degree that we are very concerned about. I 'd like to point out
that we own a property that - I don't know exactly how many square
feet it is, but I am sure that it has many, many more square feet
than Mary Bramble's property. We are a single family, we have no
boarders and we have no apartments in our house and we have no
intention to do so, so I think the assumption that - first of all
that no family would live there and that it is a house that is too
large, is incorrect, because several of us in the neighborhood have
already proven that to be not the case.
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CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Any questions from members of the Board before
Ellen sits down? [none] Next? Again, the same procedure, name
and address. .
MR. FRANK: My name is Bob Frank, I live at 221 Bryant Avenue which
is the property abuts the Bramble on the back side. I want to say
first that I have no wish to see Mary Bramble suffer an economic
hardship - I think none of us would have ever complained in this
situation while Mary Bramble was living in that house and having
boarders - however many they might have been, if that was her need
to make ends meet - I think the situation that we don't want to see
happen, is the situation that is happening in the house next to the
one owned by David Felshew where there are legions of students
there who make the amount of noise that essentially prevents him
from living any sort of a decent family life. We have had
difficulty with the Bramble property on a couple of occasions,
particularly in the summer time when there have been stereos played
loud through open windows that essentially blare out on our back
yard making it impossible for us to carry on a normal family
gathering in the back of our house. But the main point that I want
to address was the economic point about the value of the property
and the need to be able to earn a fair return on it. I think the
notion of the property being worth $150,000. 00 in its current
condition is essentially predicated on the idea that it will be a
multiple use building - that's what 'creates that kind of value for
a property like that and then to say that we have to radify what
amounts to an illegal use for a property in order for the owner of
the property to make economic rate of return on that inflated price
doesn't make any sense. I mean, we are in the business of
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upholding the zoning law that clearly requires that it not be a
multiple use dwelling and the price that goes on that property in
order to make expenses meet, is not the price that is commanded by
a multiple use dwelling, that is just bad economic planning.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Any questions from members of the Board? [none]
Thank you. Next? Again, begin with your name and address.
MS. BROWN: My name is Susan Brown and I live at 227 Bryant Avenue,
which is almost directly behind this property. I have lived there
since 1971. When I moved into my house, this house was owned by
the Cranches, as was previously stated, it was a single family
house, what is now termed an accessory apartment. Then in 1975
Mrs. Bramble moved in with her children and you've heard the
process, I don't need to repeat all that - of how many boarders
took place at various times. As a person living in the
neighborhood, there was of course never any complaints made while
she was living there - because she was living there and it is very
much a neighborhood and we all have concerns for each other. The
drastic change came, in fact, when she moved away. I never went in
the house - I never knew how many people were there - I didn't know
where the bedrooms were - I only know what I saw and what I felt
and the change in the neighborhood and that change was drastic.
There was a change in the noise level - change in the number of
cars in that neighborhood that is already incredibly over stressed
with cars and a change in the way the house appeared on the
outside. It was no longer taken care of because the owner was no
longer occupying the residence. The lawn wasn't maintained, the
house wasn't painted on the outside - it looked very different.
The character was different. The character of the - I would like
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to respectfully disagree strongly with Mr. Galbraith's
characterization of the neighborhood - it is not a rental
neighborhood. If I can just use this prop - this is the property
in question - these houses - all behind, and, in fact, all the way
down the street - all these houses are all single family houses.
In addition, this house is single family house - there is a single
family house here and all of the ones that are, in fact, multiple -
they are certainly not illegal, so in my mind that does not
characterize this neighborhood as a rental neighborhood. Again, to
talk a little bit about the character of the neighborhood - it has
changed drastically over the years in terms of the parking
problems, the noise problems and it is very much (unintelligible)
very sensitive to the point of going over the edge to more rental
property and less family feeling, even though it certainly
(unintelligible) residential single family houses. There are, in
fact, not twenty people here tonight, but there are fifteen people
here tonight from the neighborhood - all who live within two
hundred foot limit - all feeling (unintelligible) that they would
not want this house allowed - what was, in fact, not a
grandfathering question - was the question of an illegal conversion
and they are now asking for that illegal conversion be continued
and I feel very strongly that it should not be continued. Another
point, the house I have not been in it recently - was at one
point a very beautiful house and I know of - personally - two
families who live in our neighborhood - looking for larger homes,
wanting to stay in the neighborhood and were not able to find
larger homes in the neighborhood and therefore moved out of the
neighborhood - sadly so. At the time they were looking this house
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was not on the market, this happened a year or so ago. I also
think the question of hardship is not a question that has been
clearly established because hardship requires showing that it
cannot be sold for a legal use and I am not sure that that has been
proven. The house was on the market for three months but I am not
sure that that is sufficient time to say that it could not be sold
as a single family house.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board? [none]
Thank you. Next?
MS. SHELHAUS-MILLER: My name is Christine Shelhaus-Miller, I live
at 213 Bryant Avenue, which is within two hundred feet of this
property. I live with my husband Jim Miller and my daughter
Alexis, who is a year and a half old. I guess I would just like to
make two points - really emphasize two points that other people
have made. The first is that the neighborhood is really developing
for families and, in fact, although Mrs. Bramble refers to the
neighborhood as Collegetown, I think the rest of us refer to it as
Belle Sherman, Bryant Park, and we don't see ourselves living in
the middle of Collegetown at all. I think if you came to the
neighborhood and you saw the children playing in the street and you
saw those mothers with babies in strollers trying to push our
strollers on sidewalks that are blocked by too many cars in the
driveways, such as Mrs. Bramble's - you would see what a problem it
is to have a property in the neighborhood that does not have
balance in it and does not support zoning ordinances. I think
there are couple of problems, one is that there is a very big
difference between family owned property with an accessory
apartment and eight or nine unrelated people who are usually
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students living in the house and I think that has been down-played
by Mrs. Bramble and Mr. Galbraith and I think that that is a very
saleable point here. I think the other point is that, as Susan
Brown said, I also know of several families who have been looking
to move to bigger homes in the neighborhood and, in fact, within
the last five months my husband and I had an addition to our house
because there aren't larger homes for sale in the neighborhood. In
addition there is another family on the street doing the same
thing. So I think that there is a market for large homes in the
neighborhood. The other thing that I think is important is that -
I think this problem was created by lack of enforcing the Zoning
Ordinances and I think it would be very difficult for the
neighborhood if we felt that people could simply not comply with
the Ordinances and could come to the Zoning Board and say, we have
been out of compliance therefore allow us to continue to be out of
compliance and make it legal. That would be very discouraging and,
in fact, would tip the neighborhood in the direction of rental
property because you can make a lot more money renting to eight or
nine students than to a family and certainly you could sell a house
for a lot more to a landlord than you can to a family.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board? [none]
Thank you. Next? I think you know the procedure.
MR. BOOTH: Yes sir. My name is Dick Booth, I live at 510 Mitchell
Street which is not within two hundred feet of the property but I
am the alderman for the Third Ward and I believe under the existing
rules that you will, hopefully, allow me to speak.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: True.
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MR. BOOTH: I don't detect overwhelming enthusiasm. I would like
to begin with a question and the question I suppose in a way
reflects my own ignorance, but does the Board have in its records,
showing of what was paid for this property in 1979 and what the
monthly mortgage was at that time?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I don't believe so. There is nothing in the
file.
MR. BOOTH: There is nothing in the record that contains that
information?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: There is nothing in the record that contains that
information, no.
MR. BOOTH: Thank you. As you know, under State law, in this
State, the test for any use variance is very hard and that is
essentially that the applicant has to show that none of the uses
which are allowable in that area of the Zoning Ordinances are in
fact feasible on that property and it has to be shown in dollars
and cents appearance. In this case, listening to what I have heard
tonight and - particularly in light of the fact that you just
stated - it seems to me that there has not been any shown - the
economics of this particular structure are such that it cannot be
utilized in a manner that is consistent with the Zoning Ordinance.
A number of persons have testified that there are numerous homes in
this area that are consistent with the Zoning Ordinance and there
is a demand for them, in my experience throughout the Ward, is that
there is a heavy demand for single family homes. This is a
residential portion of the Third Ward, it is true that it is a
street that is on the line, in a sense, in terms of the balance
between residential and rental uses, but I think that, as it has
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been shown, that line being maintained in this building is an
important part of that. I don't think that statements that a piece
of property was on the market for several months, in and of
themselves, demonstrate the requisite showing of hardship. I think
this has been a hard case, it is a long case, it has personal
aspects to it that are important but I think the Board has to take
a look at what the purpose of the zoning variance is - what the
Zoning Ordinance is - and the importance of maintaining
neighborhoods from intrusion and uses that are not compatible. I
would urge you to deny the use variance, I think to grant the use
variance under these circumstances would lead to greater intrusions
into this neighborhood and establish a precedent that would be very
inappropriate, it seems to me, in terms of the furtherance of the
implementation of the Zoning Ordinance in the future. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board? (none)
Thank you. Next?
MS. PEDERSON: I 'm Jane Pederson, 206 Elmwood Avenue, I'm not
within two hundred feet but I would like to make a brief statement
for the Civic Association.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Has the Civic Association authorized you?
MS. PEDERSON: Yes, I 'm Vice President of it and I'm Chairman of the
Zoning Enforcement Committee. May I proceed?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Briefly.
MS. PEDERSON: Yes. I simply would like to have it on record that
this property has been one of several in the area that the Civic
Association has brought to the attention of the Building
Commissioner over the past three years as having been out of
compliance - it is one (unintelligible) and it is one we have been
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concerned about and we would definitely oppose the variance. Also
I would like to point out that there families represented in the
back of the room who are not necessarily speaking tonight but there
is one family from either side - one house down in each case - of
this property and one from across the street, at that intersection,
who all raise families there and children there and who are
committed to the neighborhood and are even reinvesting in their
properties and improving them, so that might be just another piece
of information. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Fine. So noted. Any questions? [none] Thank
you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in opposition?
[no one] Well, then the case is ours.
DISCUSSION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1857b FOR 109 HARVARD PLACE
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Do we need further discussion?
MR. SIEVERDING: I just have a question. What is now the legal use
of the property? Can it be used as a two-family or does it have to
revert back to a single-family?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: Tom had made some statement as to what
was permitted and what he felt was grandfathered on the back of
page 2 of the listing of April 28, 1988 - owner-occupied.
MR. PECK: Where is it?
MR. SIEVERDING: The middle of page 2. . . of the April 28th listing.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: End of the first paragraph.
MR. SIEVERDING: So basically, if it is owner-occupied - well what
it says is that if it is owner-occupied, the first and the second
floor can be occupied by family and no more than two unrelated
individuals and the apartment can be occupied by two unrelated. If
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not owner-occupied, then it is just the main unit - it can be a
family or an individual plus. . .
MR. PECK: It is an R-1b zone.
CHAIRMAN TOMI,AN: Right. Clear? Any further questions?
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: I think what Tom has said is that in
other words the R-1 zone district applies to the main unit, with
the apartment grandfathered. So it appears that it would have
rights for two family dwelling. The previous comments - one
owner-occupied and not owner-occupied is a stipulation of the R-1
zone. If it is not owner-occupied, the (unintelligible) applies,
if it is owner-occupied (unintelligible) appears to be
grandfathered.
MR. SIEVERDING: So there are, in fact, a variety of options that
could be employed in the marketing of the property?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Sure.
MR. SIEVERDING: And we haven't seen any evidence that that has
been done?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: True, in my opinion.
MR. SIEVERDING: Secondly, I think the expense statement is not at
all clear, whether the property can be operated profitably if it
were purely a rental property, so I think that is somewhat beside
the point relative to the options that are available, just in terms
of marketing the property.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: So, can we move a little closer to a motion? You
are spelling out, in essense, the findings of fact and it is moving
on.
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1857b for 109 HARVARD PLACE
MR. SIEVERDING: I move that the Board deny the use variance
requested in Appeal Number 1857b.
MR. PECK: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. It has not been demonstrated that strict application of the
Ordinance would produce undue hardship in that there are a
variety of occupancy types that are available under the
current zoning and by rights that are invested in the property
and it hasn't been demonstrated that those have been used in
the marketing of the property.
2. It is not at all clear from the income and expense statement
submitted that the property can't be operated profitably.
3 . The hardship created is not unique to this proeprty and that
all properties in this zone share a somewhat similar burden.
4. This denial of the variance observes the spirit of the
ordinance and would not change the character of the district
but would actually move it toward what was intended with the
various zoning changes that have taken place in the area over
the last couple of years.
VOTE: 5 YES; 0 NO USE VARIANCE DENIED.
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is Appeal Number 1858
for 321 College Avenue:
Appeal of Craig L. Schaufler for an area variance for
deficient off-street parking, deficient lot size, and
deficient rear yard setback, under Section 30.25, Columns
4, 6, and 14 of the Zoning Ordinance, to permit the
construction of a 300 square foot addition to the
existing retail building at 321 College Avenue (College
Liquor) for additional storage space. The property is
located in a B-2b (Business) Use District in which the
existing and proposed uses are permitted; however, under
Section 30.57 the appellant must first obtain an area
variance for the listed deficiencies before a building
permit or certificate of occupancy can be issued for the
proposed addition.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: If you would begin by identifying yourself and
where you live.
MR. SCHAUFLER: I 'm Craig Schaufler and I live at 75 Maplewood
Road. You have before you a request - let me just give you a
little background - the property at one time was continuous with
the property next door, which is now owned by the Turk Brothers and
it was my aunt who owned the whole property - it was a hundred foot
lot. Our family ran the business and occupied the thirty foot
section of that where there was a curbing. So there is a
twenty-five foot building, which is the building that is there now,
a five foot open space, then a curb, and then there was a gas
station. Then the property was divided - our family kept the five
foot section next to the building - the owners next to us built
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right up to the property line on that side. On the other side -
Avramis has built right up - again - to our building on the other
side. In the rear, the elevation is such that the properties
behind it, which Mr. Neferis owns, are actully our roof level. So
what I have is a five foot alleyway which goes actually nowhere.
It does nothing but provide an empty space which is unusable except
for, I don't know what. I certainly don't feel that it has any use
for any purposes - I don't feel that there is anything back there -
it is all concrete and block. I wouldn't suspect any modern day
fire fighting or the equipment would be able to get back in there
without some hazard to the fire fighters. (unintelligible) the
additional space. Now in the past we have come before the Board
with more ambitious plans, at one time for a second floor, before
my dad passed away - he was prepared to come before the Board but
he never did, so we scaled down to simply filling in that first
floor space, fronting off the street so that there isn't this five
feet gapping hole. I understand from the building office, that
because of the size of the lot, I need to come before the Board to
ask for this variance and I feel that it is a unique situation.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board?
MR. OAKLEY: I have one question about your parking requirement off
by one car. And. . . going from three spaces to four spaces.
MR. SCHAUFLER: I 'm asking for a variance for that.
MR. OAKLEY: I was just wondering if you had made any effort to find
one space? To rent one space, actually. I realize there is no
customer parking.
MR. SCHAUFLER: Right. Well we do have a space rented from the
motel.
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MR. OAKLEY: From Collegetown Motel?
MR. SCHAUFLER: Collegetown Motel, yes.
MR. OAKLEY: Okay, you do have one space there? (unintelligible)
MR. SCHAUFLER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I notice you are taking on some additional
business by virtue of the liquor store closing down across from
you?
MR. SCHAUFLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Just wondered whether I read that sign correctly,
in front of the other store.
MR. OAKLEY: What does the Telephone Company do with the telephone
that is there now?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Sort of ignore it.
MR. SCHAUFLER: Well I 'm going to have to ask them to move that and
hopefully we can accommodate it within the building there now.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Useful. I use that telephone on occasion.
MR. SCHAUFLER: I 'd like to get it inside the door, at least.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: I understand.
MR. SCHAUFLER: It goes out of order quite frequently. . .
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Particularly in the freezing weather. Further
questions? [none] Thank you. is there anyone who would like to
speak in favor? [no one] Is there anyone who would like to speak
in opposition? [no one] The case is ours. 1158
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1858 FOR 321 COLLEGE AVENUE
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of Craig L.
Schaufler for an area variance to permit the construction of a 300
square foot addition to the existing retail building at 321 College
Avenue for additional storage space. The decision of the Board was
as follows:
MR. WEAVER: I move that the Board grant the area variance
requested in Appeal Number 1858.
MR. OAKLEY: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. The proposed expansion will not change the character or use of
the property or influence the character of the neighborhood.
2 . The practical difficulties are the existing structures and lot
arrangement that currently has a five foot useless strip of
property that would - by being developed into a building -
improve the appearance of College Avenue - 300 block.
3 . That there is a severe parking problem in the neighborhood and
this property owner, and others there, would find it most
difficult - if not impossible - to increase their parking.
VOTE: 5 YES; 0 NO AREA VARIANCE GRANTED
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ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The next appeal is Appeal Number 1859
for 711-713 West Court Street:
Appeal of David R. Auble for an area variance for a
deficient side yard setback under Section 30.25, Column
13 of the Zoning Ordinance, to permit the construction of
a two-story, 1200 square foot (building footprint)
addition to the rear of the existing commercial building
at 711-713 West Court Street (Excel) for additional space
for an electronics assembly operation. The property is
located in a B-4 (Business) Use District in which the
existing and proposed use is permitted; however, under
Section 30.57 the appellant must first obtain an area
variance for the deficient side yard before a building
permit or certificate of occupancy can be issued for the
proposed addition.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Your name and address please.
MR. AUBLE: I 'm David R. Auble, 121 Winston Drive.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And you want to say, perhaps, a few words about
why you need an addition extending the building. . .
MR. AUBLE: Yes we currently have a property which met past zoning
requirements. There are two buildings, one is a commercial
building, which I am operating my business out of now and the other
is a home that the current owner leases. The home is illegal to
the current setback requirements and we are not proposing any
change to the home but to the other building which does not violate
the zoning requirements. The space required is for additional
employees to expand the business. We had gone in for HUD funding
and Tompkins County Area Development and other Agencies to create
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ten new positions in the Electronics Assembly Operation. Without
the additional space we will not be able to expand.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Am I correct in reading the plan that essentially
you have paved over the front yard in front of the metal building
that seems to be half drive and half asphalt?
MR. ALIBLE: Yes that is correct.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: And that is essentially where you get your
required parking?
MR. ALIBLE: Yes.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: (unintelligible) parking in front.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Might I ask also - the property which is for sale
on the North Meadow Street side - do you know if, in effect, it has
been sold to someone who wants to keep it a residence?
MR. AUBLE: I know, in fact, that it has been sold to someone who
wants to make that into a parking lot.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's interesting.
MR. AUBLE: And possibly use the house as a rental for office space
of some type of business use.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Questions from members of the Board?
MR. SIEVERDING: The deficiency that we are addressing here
relating to minimum size yard of the house is all related to the
work that he wants to do?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: That's right.
ACTING SECRETARY DIETERICH: The deficiency is of the property and
the house creates the deficiency.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Anyone else, any questions?
MR. PECK: You've got ten parking spaces in there?
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MR. AUBLE: Yes there is about ninety feet there - there is also
space behind the home if we need additional space.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: You haven't heard anything negative from the
people on the other side of you, have you?
MR. ALIBLE: No, as a matter of fact the people on the other side -
the person who owns the home is a sister of the gentleman who I 'm
buying from and she has been very encouraging.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: There was a letter that came today and everyone
received a copy.
MR. ALIBLE: Was that in regards to the parking?
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Yes. Have you not seen the letter that came in?
MR. AUBLE: No I don't believe so.
MR. PECK: Here, you can look at mine.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: Thank you Jack. You now have a copy. It is
basically the question about the parking.
MR. RUBLE: Yes, as a matter of fact I did get a letter from them
directly. They also seemed to be - I think mine may be a little
bit different - they were encouraging us to do exactly what we
propose to do.
CHAIRMAN TOMLAN: No further questions? Let the record show there
is no one else in the audience to be for or against, so the case is
ours.
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DECISION ON APPEAL NUMBER 1858 FOR 711-713 WEST COURT STREET
The Board of Zoning Appeals considered the request of David R.
Auble for an area variance to permit the construction of a
two-story, 1,200 square foot addition to the rear of the existing
commercial building at 711-713 West Court Street for additional
space for an electronics assembly operation. The decision of the
Board was as follows:
MR. SIEVERDING: I move that the Board grant the area variance
requested in Appeal Number 1859.
MR. WEAVER: I second the motion.
PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. There are practical difficulties that would make compliance
with the ordinance difficult. That practial difficulty
concerns either acquiring additional property to correct the
deficiency for the house that is on this property or moving it
- both of which are financially infeasible and would place a
hardship on the owner.
2. The proposed improvements to the property have no effect at
all on the deficiency.
3 . The proposed improvements in fact removes one deficiency,
parking, and brings that into compliance with the Ordinance.
4. The exception observes the spirit of the Ordinance and is in
compliance with the character of the neighborhood which is a
business zone where this use is allowed.
VOTE: 5 YES; 0 NO AREA VARIANCE GRANTED
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I, BARBARA RUANE, DO CERTIFY THAT I took the Minutes of the
Board of Zoning Appeals, City of Ithaca, New York, in the
matters of Appeals numbered 1847, 1854 , 1855, 1856, 1857,
1858 and 1859 on July 11, 1988 in the Common Council
Chambers, City of Ithaca, 108 East Green Street, Ithaca,
New York, that I have transcribed same, and the foregoing
is a true copy of the transcript of the minutes of the
meeting and the action taken of the Board of Zoning Appeals,
City of Ithaca, New York on the above date, and the whole
thereof to the best of my ability.
46'�/'4,
Barbara C. Ruane
Recording Secretary
Sworn to before me this
/946 day of L�- LLt , 1988
�'- Notary Public
JEAN J.HtANKMS019
NOTARY FUELIC.STATE OF NEW YURR
NO.5E:-i CCOS00
QUALIFIED IN TOTAPKINS COU
MY C061MISSION EXPIRcS APRIL 90.iH
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