HomeMy WebLinkAboutMN-RHAC-2005-04-27Rental Housing Forum
4/25/05 6 -7:30
GIAC Gymnasium
The following notes were taken by Dave Breeden. Where comments are attributed to
particular individuals, it was my best attempt to capture the essence of what they said and
is not word - for -word, and I apologize for any mistakes.
There were, at the high point, 30 people attending, including:
6 RHAC Commission members: (Dave Breeden, Phoebe Brown, Michael Taylor, Patty
Sipman, Shane Seger, Joyce Muchan),
4 Common Council members : (Michelle Berry, Joel Zumoff, Mary Tomlan, Michael
Taylor)
3 members of the press: (Cornell Sun, people filming from a Cornell class on Public
administration)
1 County Board member (Martha Robertson)
2 representatives of the Living Wage Coalition (Pete Meyers, Jessie Brown)
1 representative from Tompkins Community Action (Al Fields)
2 from NyCERTA (Gaye Nicholson and 1 other)
3 landlords
Fay: What has the Commission [hereafter, RHAC] done? What do we, the Commission,
want to know from the Forum participants?
Shane: We haven't done anything yet, and we're hoping for a wide -open discussion this
evening.
Woman: What can RHAC do?
Joyce: We've been inactive for several years, and what we can do depends on what you,
the public wants us to do and is willing to help us do.
Shane: asks people to bring up rental issues
Al: Section 8 tenants are discriminated against —even where there are vouchers they
can't find landlords to take them. Also, rent prices are so high that the vouchers aren't
big enough. Section 8 recipients often can't get first and last months rent and security
deposits together.
Jessie: this isn't secret discrimination, and isn't against the law: landlords are often right
up front about saying they won't take Section 8 tenants.
Woman: The condition of rental properties is often horrible. What can renters do to
stand up for their rights? What are housing standards? It often takes the city months and
months to respond to a housing complaint..
Phoebe: We need a central place for tenants to find out about housing rights and make
complaints —maybe a phone hotline?
Speaker: the building department is way overworked and understaffed.
Michael A new building department position has been created to try to restore previous
staffing levels. Proper staffing is a high priority for the department. (building
department phone number is 274 - 6508). People need access to information, need to
know if there are pending complaints about a landlord before they rent from him/her.
The City also needs an expedited grievance process.
Michelle: People need access to lists of complaints against landlords. Binghamton has
such a thing, and might serve as a model. They (Bing) also maintain lists of Good
landlords. Part of the larger problem is that housing is scarce, so landlords can get away
with more and still be able to rent.
Woman: Buildings aren't inspected Certificates of compliance [hereafter coc] are
largely self - regulating.
Landlord: Buildings are inspected every three years, and when sold. If a landlord wants
to list their properties through Cornell, they have to have a current coc. Cornell checks
against the City's database of coc's. Renting to Section 8 tenants also requires a current
coc.
Landlord: One of the reasons rents are so high is that taxes and utilities are so high. Not
all landlords are making money. There are a wide variety of situations.
Fay: City resident since 1982, so a renter for over 20 years. Renting situation is
horrendous. The conditions are often unbearable. We should have rent control. There
are lots of landlords who live out of town and are making a lot of money. Points: 1. The
RHAC should have a hotline and a database of landlords 2. High rents are a problem.
Cornell owns too much land, and this makes the tax situation worse. 3. We need to
improve building dept. responsiveness to tenants and create a database for complaints
that would be publically accessible.
Martha: RHAC should take a strong statement to the Common Council. The City has a
history of encouraging Cornell not to build on- campus housing, since on- campus housing
decreases the taxbase, but this serves to drive up rents by sending students out into the
city to rent. The real issue of high rents is the limited supply. The results of the Compass
II survey show that housing is one of the top two problems in the County.
Michael: Landlords don't advertise it, but there are vacancies, partially due to the
downturn in the economy, in the luxury apartments in collegetown. The Off Campus
Housing Task Force has just issued its report, and part of that says that Cornell needs to
be more aware of and help to address the problems of the off - campus community,
including renters' problems.
Woman: There are people downtown on fixed income, with transportation issues.
Cornell may advocate for its off - campus community, but who advocates for these fixed
income people?
Al: Tompkins Community Action is a tremendous resource. They have, right now, 9
vouchers for housing and lots of pople on the waiting list to get housing, but no landlords
who will take the vouchers.
Martha: to the extent that Cornell advocates for its off - campus community, it helps all
renters.
Phoebe: that's absolutely not true. Cornell may help its coff - campus Community, but
that doesn't mean other people are being helped.
Landlord: The Landlords's Assocation, of which she is a member, should have a meeting
devoted to Section 8 issues, so other landlords can learn Section 8 recipients are great for
landlords, very reliable rent payments, etc.
In downtown, taxes are high but there is public transportation. In the outlying areas, the
converse is true. Taxes are lower, but transportation is less available and more
expensive).
Al: The Section 8 program is a really good thing. [the 2 landlords present say that they
agree]
Woman: Is there any sort of safety net for housing funds?
Phoebe: Yes. The Department of Social Services has a "one- shot" deal where you can
get, once a year, if you have an eviction notice you can bring in, emergency housing
funds. Alternatives Federal Credit Union, if you're working, also has an emergency loan
program.
J.R. Four points: 1. Section 8 housing discrimination whould be illegal.
2. How does the city handle slumlords?
3. How many landlords are there, and are they all in the same legal classification?
Would it be possible to have laws which applied to large landlords, but exempted
people just renting out a room in their house?
4. Can the City fast -track development of affordable housing like they did for other
downtown developments like Cayuga Green?
Gaye: There are examples of towns in Tompkins County driving away affordable
housing developers. There's a need for much more public education.
Shane: We have 10 minutes more, then a wrap -up. We'd like to hear about more new
issues, hear from some people who haven't spoken yet.
Fay: Taxes and rents are way too high, and too much of the housing stock is despicable.
Shane: There's a possibility of a law which would allow renters to have their own repairs
done on the place they're renting. The RHAC is looking into this.
Martha: The answer to affordable housing in upstate cities is to let the buildings degrade
so badly that they can only be rented for cheap.
Monica: Not all landlords are bad. The RHAC or anyone else should be cautious in
recording complaints, building a database, etc. Landlords don't blacklist tenants; tenants
shouldn't blacklist landlords.
Woman: Leases are important, We (the RHAC) should protect tenants. Renters DO get
blacklisted.
Joyce: Bad landlords make the good ones look bad. There are other groups who haven't
been mentioned who are concerned: internatinal students, who get taken advantage of,
people of color, who get discriminated against in housing, etc.
Woman: Some of the slumlords are also the people who don't demand first and last
month's rent, and who are more lax about security deposits. DO we really wantto get rid
of them?
Fay: The issues are complex. Some students (renters) can be bad as well, disrespectiful
of landlords and neighbors.
Patty: In dealing with the Building Department, the squeaky wheel definitely gets the
grease. You have to be persistent, have pictures, etc.
Martha: The County Assessment Department may be able to help us in constructing a
database.
Shane: thank you all for coming. We may be able to get notes out to you, etc.