HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017-07-20 TSSERR Meeting Minutes
TSSER Meeting – July 2017
Bob Freeman, Committee on Open Government
Mr. Freeman gave an overview of his department noting that it is a department of three
established over 30 years ago. The website is www.dos.ny.gov/coog/index.html The website
provides opinions on both FOIL and Open Meetings law as well as case law. Mr. Freeman
encouraged everyone to take a look and use the site as well as call his office 518-474-2578; he or
someone on his staff will almost always get back to you within 24 hours.
Questions –
Video conferencing in – question regarding whether a board member can attend a meeting via
Skype or similar from their home or a restaurant. The question had come up from counsel that
an opinion out there was a restaurant is not ok because people would be expected to purchase
something.
Mr. Freeman responded that if the place where the board member is Skyping in from is
advertised and open to the public and the member is visible to the public, then yes. The member
should be in the municipality and must be visible is so that the public could see whether the
member had someone there feeding information or comments that were not public. So, for
example, attending by phone only is not permissible. The restaurant and buying something was
not persuasive.
Reasonable description/Needle in the Haystack – Mr. Freeman had a number of questions
surrounding the same type of scenario – reasonably describe the document. He gave the analogy
of the phone book – if you have a phone book and someone requests all the Jones’ then that is
reasonable and you are reasonably able to extract that information; if someone asks for all the
Paul’s though, the information is not kept in that format and therefore you cannot reasonably
extract that information.
Receipts and abstracts – municipalities keep these records usually in summary form. If the
abstract and receipts are reasonably available, they are public BUT are available during hours
and times the clerk sets.
The overriding theme was to be reasonable and not let someone harass you into providing
something that is not reasonable.
Inter/Intra Agency – Mr. Freeman explained the reasoning behind the ability to withhold
documents that are between two government agencies or within an agency. The courts have said
that to make all communications at the beginning levels of discussion open would infringe on the
legislative ability to have a free flowing exchange of ideas. That being said, certain information
is required to be disclosed as listed on the site; tabulations, final determinations, statistical
information and instructions to staff that would affect the public.
These communications can be provided and he suggests you ask yourself, what would happen if
this were to be disclosed?
Redactions – A lot of questions about redacting “personal” information such as phone numbers,
email addresses, physical addresses etc. Mr. Freeman opined that nothing is “personal”
anymore; any number of sites such as Assessment and Taxes have residents full information
open to the public, emails are so common that there should be no expectation of privacy
especially given that many do not have full names. There are very few instances where
“personal” information should be redacted and most have to do with law enforcement, check the
website.
Executive Session – Mr. Freeman said to forget the word “personnel” it is a myth. Discussing
personnel is and should be done in open session. Executive session “to discuss the employment
history of a particular person” is different and should be kept to the scope of that individual
person, but, for example, looking at a job description, or talking about wages should be done in
open session.
In summary USE THE SITE, it is very helpful and of course, attend any presentations by Bob!
NYS Archives -Sarah Durling, sarah.durling@nysed.gov
Ms. Durling gave an overview saying that districts have been combined and representatives
changing and she is our representative. The NYS Archives is working on an update to the SARA
MU1 Schedule and any suggestions are welcome; if you look at a retention and think, why ? let
us know.
Ms. Durling reviewed the grant deadlines and sample applications are available on the website.
Laserfische Work Processes
Melissa and Alex
Preview of Empower called Empower Spark will be held August 23, 2017 and include a taste of
the classes available.
Get powerpoint from them update on 10.2??????
Reviewed automated processes to save time and effort, but we need Forms
Maureen
Greg Potter, Tompkins County IT Director
Mr. Potter talked about the support behind the scenes for TSSER and moving towards upgrading
to 10.2 and Forms. A lot more involved than it sounds.
Digital Signatures – The county is drafting a policy and awaiting approval. There are different
levels of digital signatures and some might require a verification process while others wouldn’t.
Municipalities should look at the policy when it is out and discuss with their boards.
Julie and Alan, City of Ithaca
Julie and Alan reported on their success with the FOIL requests and Parks and Events with
Laserfische
Forms are filled out and automatically sent to the person or department that needs to approve
each section or action. It has saved numerous hours and also highlighted aspects that needed to
be changed in the process.
Julie encouraged everyone to take a look via the City website and especially to go to Empower
because the classes cannot be beat and the information you get from other users is invaluable.
Maureen Reynolds, Tompkins County Clerk
Next grant is scanning large format maps and drawings!
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Thursday,July20,2017
8:30am - 1:00pm