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Minutes VILLAGE OF CAYUGA HEIGHTS Monday, August 03, 2020
Marcham Hall ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS 7:00 p.m.
Present: Members: Chair L. Staley, R. Parker, S. Barnett, J, Sauer, M. Friend, VCH Code Enforcement Officer B. Cross,
Attorney R. Marcus, Trustee M. McMurray, Mayor L. Woodard, and Village Deputy Clerk P. Rich.
Absent: All present
1. Call to order: Chair L. Staley called meeting to at 7:04 p.m.
2. Approval of Meeting Minutes: August 05, 2019
Motion: R. Parker
Second: J. Sauer
Ayes: L. Staley, R. Parker, M. Friend, J. Sauer, and S. Barnett
Abstentions: None
BE IT RESOLVED THAT: The Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals approves the August 5, 2019 minutes
as presented.
3. Chair L. Staley: Explained the process of the Zoning Board of Appeals to new members of the ZBA and to applicants.
4.Variance Application: Requested by Kenneth and Sarah Subin (owners) of 602 The Parkway (tax parcel 6.-8-2.1)to allow
fence facing Comstock Road to remain as constructed with a 7.5’ solid wood wall 9’ from property line at closet point which
is less than the 25’ set back as required in Zoning Ordinance 305 -19.A.1.
●Code Enforcement Officer B. Cross: Construction of a new fence, to replace an existing fence at 602 The Parkway has
been denied. The new fence is a 7.5” high solid wood wall located approximately 9’ (at closet point) to the front of the
property line on Comstock Road, side of the property. This is considered a “front yard” by the Zoning Regulations, therefore
the fence would need to be at least 25’ from the property line as required b y the Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Ordinance
section 305-19. A.1-yard regulations. B. Cross saw fence in the process of being built and explained to applicants the need of
an application/permit to replace existing fence.
●S. Barnett: Fence is inconsistent on West end and got farther away from road.
●J. Sauer: Height of the fence is an issue
● B. Cross: Condition of what is being requested you take into consideration such as the height of the fence; the set back is
what is being requested.
● R. Marcus: The Zoning Board of Appeals tonight is reviewing the whole of what is the fence ; the material, location,
impact, and height. Location of the fence is the variance.
5.. Presentation: Applicants Kenneth and Sarah Subin- First, we want to apologize to the ZBA for misunderstanding property
facing Comstock Road, side yard vs front yard. Second, we incorrectly assumed that the placement distance of a fence greater
than 4’ high would be from the center line of Comstock Road. It was a n honest mistake. However, we believe that,
functionally, our property facing Comstock Road is a side yard. We are not challenging the definitions and zoning ordinances
put forth by the Village of Cayuga Heights, we are asking you to consider the practical use and appearance of Comstock
Road as a truly low traffic volume road as you contemplate your decision for our variance request. We feel we have added to
the appeal and beauty of our home and neighborhood. We asked some of our neighbors to add their name to a letter of
support, due to COVID-19 they did not sign but gave verbal support. The Comstock Road portion of the fence is hidden by a
dense tree line, and barely visible from either vantage point looking west down Comstock Road or east towards The Park way
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from the Western end of Comstock Road. The wood construction allows the structure to blend in with the natural
environment.
Our dog is vocal and protective of backyard space. His barking can be intimidating to those passing by. Since the
construction of the fence as it exists, his barking has become nearly nonexistent. This fence was a family project during our
quarantine time due to COVID-19. Because of this, we are invested in maintaining the fence as is, without modification s.
To view the applicant’s presentation, click here:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/laserfiche/Docview.aspx?db=CayugaHeights&docid=356067
●L. Staley: Where is the sewer line in correlation to the fence and on what side of the fence?
●K. Subin: By front of property, inside fenced area.
●S. Barnett: The distance from the edge of the property line, when measured more than doubles in footage.
●B. Cross: Visual it doesn’t seem like that much footage. Also, reminded the ZBA they have up to 62 days to make decision
regarding variance
●R. Marcus: Recommendation – When the ZBA has a physical feature, actual dimensions are relevant to decisions. If you
choose to grant the variance as applicant has presented, it will be granted without regard to the actual measurements.
●J. Sauer: The fence is not parallel to the road.
●K. Subin: Due to the non-paved area.
●J. Sauer: Why put the sewer inside fence line?
●K. Subin: We followed the old fence line. If we move the fence more inside, we run into a large tree root and more large
trees.
●S. Barnett: If the fence placement was in code, sewer line and tree roots would be outside of fence.
●K. Subin: We could not move the fence more inside as we have more large Spruce trees inside yard.
●B. Cross: Explained that it doesn’t matter if you move the fence in or out, you would still crisscross the sewer line.
●S. Barnett: Suggested moving the fence in 16’ to avoid the sewer.
●B. Cross: Moving the fence in the corner would avoid the sewer line.
●J. Sauer: Does the tree affect the fence line; the fence doesn’t have to be straight.
●K. Subin: Fence post and angles would run into the tree. We followed railing system, angles would not work, post would
not fit at 180◦ or 90◦.
●S. Barnett: Another fence design could have been chosen.
●R. Parker: In almost every variance, there is always other options, though they don’t meet the applicants ne eds.
●J. Sauer: What are the limiting factors that you had to place fence where it is (west), you can always move 20’.
●K. Subin: We have a concrete patio, AC unit, we can’t shift west as we are unable to shift starting point.
●S. Barnett: Placement 10’ from the house will not hit AC unit, you have options.
●R. Marcus: ZBA- Whys proposal has value in asking.
●J. Sauer: Inquired about future of wood
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●S. Subin: It weathers well according to our carpenter; we want to put an oil stain on it.
6. Chair L. Staley opened meeting for Public Hearing at 7:50 p.m.
●Michael Strausser of 210 Comstock Road: Stated he has not for or against the fence, has no objection if ZBA approves
variance if color of fence is maintained and seeking variance after the fact does not become a precedence in the Village.
●Jed Ostrom of 520 The Parkway: View is directly across street from the fence, trees over the fence, helps with situation of
dog and the Subin’s have my full support of the fence. I question why the ZBA is spending time on the color of the fence?
●E. Quaroni of 115 Cayuga Park Circle: This is a large fence and Aa large fence across the street, not use to seeing such
large fences in the Village.
●R. Parker: That fence belongs to the Ostrom’s.
●B. Cross: The Ostrom’s have a batting cage up which is a temporary situation, not permanent. The wood fence, they sought
a building permit approximately 10 years ago, I have no measurements at this time regarding the fence
●J. Ostrom: We have small kids and dogs, and in the past issues with deer.
7. Chair L. Staley closed the public hearing at 8:10 p.m.
The Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals determined that the proposed action is a Type II action specifically
under 6 NYCCR Section 617.5 (c) (16), and thus the ZBA may consider the variance request without further review under
SEQR. In accordance with Section 712-b of the Village Law of the State of New York and the Village of Cayuga Heights
Zoning Law Article 20, the Village of Cayuga Heights considered the benefit to the applicant if the area variance is granted as
weighted against the detriment to the health, safety and welfare of the neighborhood or community by such grant.
The Zoning Board of Appeals, then considered each of the five required questions:
Whether an undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood or detriment to nearby properties
will be created by granting the area variance.
Findings: The neighbors are supportive of the fence as built with conditions. The fence does not reflect the “park like”
atmosphere desired by founders, and many current residents of Cayuga Heights. There is concern of how close to the road
the fence.
YES NO X
Whether the benefit sought by the applicant can be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue other
than the variance
Findings: Applicants could train the dog or could lower the fence. They could move the fence inward, although the terrain
and sewer line placement are problematic.
YES X NO
Whether the requested area variance is substantial.
Findings: The southeast corner, at 16’ over the setback line, is substantial. At the southwest corner, the area variance would
not be substantial. Most of the fence along Comstock Road (south length) has landscaping that mitigates the visibility.
Yes X NO
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Whether the proposed area variance will have an adverse effect or impact on the physical or environmental conditions in
the neighborhood or district.
Findings: No environmental issues, no water streams on property, and the fence does not extend the entire length of
property.
YES NO X
Whether the alleged difficulty was self-created.
Findings: The fence is “essentially” at the position of the prior fence; the existing landscaping of the yard made that the logical
positioning. However, the prior fence was both shorter and significantly more transparent then the fence in the variance
request. As built, the fence meets the applicants’ reasons for building the fence to deter their dog from seeing and barking
at pedestrians and bicyclist.
YES X NO
The Zoning Board of Appeals continued a discussion of the variance request, using the a nswers from the 5 questions as
input.
●M. Friend: Concerned about the closeness of the fence to the road.
●S. Barnett: Voiced that the ZBA seems more concerned about the height of the fence instead of the closeness to the road.
●R. Parker: Yard has a large slope and drop off and to move fence one would need to have major excavation.
●S. Barnett: Asked the applicants if they had any ideas regarding the fence.?
●K. Subin: Very difficult to move fence since post are cemented in the ground. We would be willing to reduce the height of
fence to 6’ in area of concerns.
●L. Staley: Asked how wide the planks are in the fence?
●K. Subin: Each plank is 6” wide.
Motion: R. Parker made motion: To accept variance as substantially built at current height with condition to maintain natural
wood color.
No second on motion
Pictures of fence were reviewed
●S. Barnett: Asked how many panels are there to the gate and how many after gate?
●K. Subin: Went outside and counted, 9 panels to the gate and 10 panels after gate.
●L. Staley: Asked applicants if they would reduce the variance height to 6’?
●K. Subin: Responded they would reduce the height of variance.
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Motion: S. Barnett made motion to grant variance as substantially described in the variance with condition s that the fence
height will be reduced to 6’ from the southwest corner back to the gate along Comstock Road, and on two panels heading
north from the southeast corner.
Seconded: J. Sauer
Motion: R. Parker made motion to accept motion as previously stated but to add to maintain natural wood color.
Seconded: J. Sauer
●J Sauer: Asked applicant if they are okay with variance as stated?
●R. Marcus: ZBA is unable to revise variance that applicant is requesting, or applicant would have to seek new variance.
It is hereby determined by the Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals to grant variance as substantially described
in variance application with the conditions fence height reduced to 6’ from southwest corner back to gate along Comstock
Road and for two panels heading north from southeast corner and to maintain natural wood color.
Motion to approve: R. Parker
Second: J. Sauer
Ayes: L. Staley, R. Parker, M. Friend, J. Sauer and S. Barnett.
Abstention: None
Motion: Carried
Chair L. Staley: Informed applicant that anyone can appeal within 30 days. Applicant has 60 days to comply with the ZBA
conditions.
Village of Cayuga Heights Code Enforcement Officer B. Cross will enforce.
New Business: Code Enforcement Officer B. Cross, no new business noted at this time.
●R. Marcus: Highlighted that most variances don’t go this way, the applicants were willing to reduce height of the fence. Also,
most ZBA meeting do not last this long.
Chair L. Staley: Closed the meeting at 10:28 p.m.