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Minutes for the
Village of Cayuga Heights
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting
November 29, 2010
The meeting was convened at 7:04 PM.
Present: Chairman John Young, Members Peter McClelland, Anita Watkins, and Kirk
Sigel. Alternates: Mark Eisner, Alison Shull.
Member Kirk Sigel was present but abstained from participating in parts of the meeting
that he was directly involved in.
Bob Powers retired from the Zoning Board of Appeals due to health reasons.
Others present: Brent Cross, Code Enforcement Officer, and Kristin Gutenberger,
Attorney. Clerk Mary Mills and Account Clerk/Typist Michelle Poppensiek were also
present.
Guests: L. Loria, R. Loria, R. Bors, E. Karns, K. Sigel, P. Petrina, E. Petrina, J. LaVeck,
S. Grubb
Chairman Young explained the process of the Public meeting, and that the Board is
bound by requirements: first, the Board gets the facts from the public, and then the Board
discusses the case, and reviews it in light of all the facts.
The first public hearing was opened at 7:08 PM. Kirk Sigel noted for the record that his
name had been misspelled and his address was incorrectly listed, and corrected these for
the record. His name is spelled Kirk Sigel, not Siegel, and his address is 223 Highgate
Road, not 221 Berkshire Road.
Zoning Officer Cross explained the first appeal request. Kirk Sigel is appealing the
decision made in an earlier appeal at 906 Triphammer Road, in which a shed with an
extra large overhang exceeded the lot coverage size allowed in the Village. The
applicant, Mr. Petrina, withdrew his application for an area variance at the September
meeting, and modified his shed, which is now unregulated.
Kirk Sigel reads the zoning laws differently than Brent Cross, and has requested an
interpretation of what the Zoning laws mean, in regards to the definition of a shed. Kirk
has submitted a comment in writing. It is his opinion that decisions were made based on
building permit standards, instead of on Zoning permit standards, which are more
applicable here.
Jack Young asked if the difference was in the word “building” in the Ordinance.
The NYS Building code clearly includes a shed as a structure that covers any use.
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Jack asked for impressions and opinions from the public.
Rosemary Loria, of 111 The Northway has been to previous meetings, and she and
neighbors have submitted an outline of analysis with pictures of the Petrina’s shed at 906
Triphammer Road. She said this shed isn’t small, it’s 12 ½ feet high, with a 3’ overhang.
They were told to move within 15’ of the lot line, to be within the setback requirements,
and that the overhang had to be reduced to comply with lot coverage, in place so that lots
are not overbuilt.
Leonard Loria, also of 111 The Northway, asked, if this shed isn’t a building, what is it?
Mr. Petrina poured the concrete slab; it is stick built and covered with stucco.
Mr. Cross indicates that the antiquated language from the 1950’s makes it hard to
interpret the laws. He and Kirk Sigel interpret the language differently.
Mr. Cross explained sheds are not required to have frost protected foundations, as
buildings are. He also indicated that buildings less than 140 sq. ft. are not subject to
building permit requirements. Because the Village has no definition of a building, he
must turn to other sources for the definition, such as the Uniform Code, which is a State
mandate as of 1984. This identifies small non- commercial facilities (not buildings) that
are not occupied, as not needing a building permit.
Mr. Cross further explained that in 2003, NYS chose to adopt the International Set of
Codes, and said that a local law is needed to enforce ruling, and set up requirements on
how to enforce the Building Code. In 2006, the Village of Cayuga Heights amended
Local Law # 2 of 2004 with Local Law # 2 of 2006, which set forth requirements of the
Code Officer and the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Mark Eisner asked what consideration was given to the new language, and Mr. Cross
explained that they passed what the State said they had to have in the Law. Anita
Watkins asked, if a structure doesn’t require a building permit, does that mean it’s not a
building?
Brent said that fences do not require a building permit but they do require a zoning
permit. Jack Young asked about carports, and decks, for example. Brent explained that
there has been no other case where there is a structure that is required to have a zoning
permit, not a building permit.
Brent asked the group what the authors would want them to think of their rules and laws?
Sheds were not common 60 years ago when the laws were written. Does the Board want
to make everyone get a permit?
Kirk raised a good question of interpretation and Brent is glad that he did. Kirk is
confident that the Village is working on the issue, and that the Trustees will be discussing
it at the Dec. 13th Board of Trustees Meeting.
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Mrs. Loria asked if Mr. Cross had been using the terms Zoning and Building (permits)
interchangeably. He said that no, he had been making a point of not doing so, and that
the project would have 2 different permit numbers, and most projects have both permits.
Mr. Cross explained that a building permit was issued for the original plan to build a
house at 906 Triphammer Road. The house that was built covered 11.8% of the lot,
where 12% coverage is allowed. There was no shed in the original building plans. A
year later, Mr. Petrina approached Mr. Cross to ask if he needed a permit for his shed,
which he would build himself. Because the structure was moveable, only covered 140
sq. ft., and did not have a frost protected foundation, it was allowed.
Mark Eisner wondered if the Local Law had any information on when a Zoning vs. a
Building permit was required, and Mr. Cross answered that yes, in Section 20 of Article 9
it was addressed. In the Petrina case, Mr. Cross could not overlook or ignore that they
had built a 5’ overhang on their shed. The law states that any overhang greater than 3 ft,
must be added to the lot coverage, which made it too large, and therefore non-compliant.
Mr. Petrina chose not to ask for a variance, but to modify the structure himself, taking it
back to a 3 ft. overhang and therefore still within the lot coverage requirement. Mr.
Cross explained that a Zoning permit had been denied because of the above issues, and
that he had explained to Mr. Petrina that he would have to modify or move the shed.
Alison Shull asked Brent if electricity or plumbing is regulated outside of a building.
Brent answered that yes, these items are regulated, for example in the case of a
swimming pool or yard lighting etc. Alison then asked if running electrical lines are
eligible to the set back requirements.
The Lorias made two more points: Mrs. Loria said that the shed is within 2 feet of their
property line, and that stone the Petrina’s have used as support have washed into their
yard. Mr. Loria asked what is the definition and intent of a setback.
Chairman Young said that the Board of Trustees is not able to make interpretations of the
law, it’s not their job, and they are not allowed to. He explained that the law is very
ambiguous and that the climate now is much more contentious than when the laws were
put in place. It is very hard to determine these things now, as the ordinance was not set
up for attack.
Clerk Mills read the letter (added as part of minutes) from Molly Shoemaker, who was
unable to attend the meeting with the following questions:
1. Can a shed which is declared to NOT be a building have any utilities laid to it now
or in the future whether they are connected now or not (e.g. water, electricity)?
2. If the shed at 906 is declared to NOT be a building, will all sheds like it in the
Village be rezoned as NOT buildings allowing residents to cover with structures more of
their property?
3. If the shed at 906 is declared to NOT be a building, will this allow the
residents/contractors at 906 to build a DECK or any new structures on their property
without further zoning requests or permits?
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4. Will you please give us an accounting of ALL money/fees which have changed
hands between the Village and any of its officers and employees and the owners/
contractors over any issues with regard to the uses and extent of the lot coverage at 906
Triphammer?
Kristin Gutenberger stated that if this structure (the shed at 906 Triphammer Road) is
considered a building, then all sheds will have to be moved to be in compliance with the
law (the setback law).
Anita Watkins asked if that would mean a change in the law. Kristin answered that if a
law is passed, that some sheds would be exempt, but not all of them.
Peter McClelland asked if the issue of grandfathering a shed is going to be addressed at
the 12/13/2010 Board of Trustee meeting.
Kristin said that it depends on the interpretation they come up with tonight, what is
decided here tonight will make a difference.
Kirk – if we decide that sheds should be regulated tonight, none can be grandfathered in.
People would have to get a permit for it to be legal. Brent mostly spoke about Building
permits, but Article IX is about Zoning; is a shed a building for the purpose of Article
IX? The other issue is intent; did the original authors mean to exempt things? Brent felt
that the original authors of the Articles did not even think about these kinds of issues.
Chairman Young said that this goes back to set backs and why are they regulated? He
asked if there were any other questions to be addressed.
The first Public Hearing was closed at 9:14 PM and it was agreed that the discussion
would be continued after the second public hearing.
Motion by John Young
Second by Alison Shull
All in favor: Chairman John Young, Members Peter McClelland, Anita Watkins, Mark
Eisner, Alison Shull. Opposed: None Excused: Kirk Sigel
Board will hold comments until after the 2nd public hearing
Kristin Gutenberger informed the Board that they have 62 days to make a decision about
the issue discussed at the first public meeting, if they tabled the discussion tonight.
At this time, Mark Eisner stepped down from his role as an alternate sitting in for Kirk
Sigel, who was a participant in the first public hearing. Kirk Sigel took back his spot on
the Board for the second public hearing.
At 9:20 PM the second Public Hearing was opened, to discuss the appeal made by the
owners at 104 Klinewoods Road, after their application for a permit for a fence was
denied.
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Zoning Officer Cross explained that he denied the original permit application NOT
because of the height of the fence (8ft.), but because the distance of the fence from the
property line is only 1 foot. So his denial was based on set back requirements, not height
requirements. 8 foot fences are allowed in the Village, as long as they are set back to the
distance required in the law.
Jack Young explained that this case would not be setting precedent, as the first case
would. Each property is different and each appeal is different, and the Board is bound to
look at each case with tests and checklists to determine the outcome of the appeal. This
is an individual case, and is a case that would customarily be handled by a Zoning Board
of Appeals.
Bea Szekely, the appellant, lives at 104 Klinewoods Road, and explained some of the
history behind her house and the reason for her request and subsequent appeal. She based
her appeal on the fact that in the 1930’s, the property where she lives had been
subdivided into 3 parcels, which are now: 104 Klinewoods Road, 200 Comstock Road,
and 204 Comstock Road. (See attached history and description of property and fence)
Jack Young asked that Kristin Gutenberger remind the group of the question at hand,
which is “Does the benefit to the applicant outweigh the detriment to the health, safety
and welfare of the neighborhood? He then opened the floor to public comments
concerning this appeal.
Resident Sally Grubb commented that while she fully supported the Szekely’s appeal to
keep their fence, she expected the Zoning Board to deny the appeal based on past
decisions and the necessity of keeping future judgments fair.
Attorney Kristin Gutenberger advised that this case would not be setting precedent, and
was not required to follow any earlier precedent, but that each case was looked at on an
individual basis. Chairman Young added that if there were two cases in one night, both
appealing a fencing denial, they could rightfully say yes to one and no to the other.
Kristin added that the Board would make clear the differences between cases and the
reasons for the individual outcomes, and that the mere fact that one appeal is denied and
another approved, is not arbitrary and capricious, as they are not following precedent.
Peter McClelland asked if anyone else wanted to speak, and Petru Petrina said that he
would like to offer his support for the appeal, adding that the issue should be decided on a
case by case basis.
Graham Gillespie spoke without representing the Village Planning Board, of which he is
a member. He stated that going back to the planning of the Village, the idea was to
preserve the open vistas at the front of yards, which this appeal supports. He also feels
that the opinions of the neighbors are those of support for the appeal.
Bea asked if any individuals had responded to the letter that Brent Cross sends out to the
neighbors within 200’ of the appellant property. He replied that none had come to him.
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Peter McClelland pointed out that there are a number of shrubs that deer will not
normally eat. Bea replied that for health reasons, trimming these buses is impossible.
These two discussed the availability of alternatives – including which shrubs spread,
which can be pruned, and which are safe from being eaten by the deer. Mr. Szekely
pointed out that it costs a great deal of money to invest in plantings to avoid items that the
deer won’t eat, and that the eating habits of the deer have been changing markedly
recently.
This comment was supported and reiterated by Mr. Loria, who noted that the deer are
now eating young shoots.
Board Member Anita Watkins noted that the fence is very open, and that the Szekely’s
bought the house in ’79. She wondered why privacy had become an issue in 2003.
Bea responded that she is interested in privacy, but that it was also used to provide a
delineation and definition to the landscape in her yard.
Sally Grubb said that the fence does provide privacy; while she is walking her dog she
can see where one property ends and the next begins, and that it gives good definition.
She said that it was an effective and good looking barrier.
Anita Watkins asked whether the fence was there for privacy or delineation. Bea
responded that it was for both and added that the neighbor’s house is less than 20 feet
away, which would never be allowed now, due to the subdivisions.
Anita asked them to comment on how the fence has affected the behavior of the deer?
Bea explained that they go around the fence, and they can no longer go straight through
the row of yards. The deer live in her backyard; they just go around the fence when they
move through the area. She has 5 or 6 deer in her yard on many winter mornings. Anita
asked if this was a different pattern of activity for the deer and Bea said it was not.
Jack Young clarified that it is a privacy fence, not a deer fence, and that the Board has
granted four out of five previous privacy fence appeals. They turned one down when the
applicant didn’t supply privacy issues. He wants it clear that they aren’t bound by
precedent.
Jack Young then had one more question – At the Szekely house, there is a little triangle
between the 3 listed houses, with no building, fencing, or plantings. What was the
purpose of that area; was it for them? Bea answered that no one knows why it’s there.
Brent added that the Village of Cayuga Heights is not restricted by a deed covenant; that
is only between homeowners. In his opinion, the fence also benefits the other two
properties listed above.
Jack Young called for a motion to end the public comment period at 10:05 pm
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He asked Kristin if a SEQR was required for this appeal, and she replied that no SEQRA
is necessary, because this is a Type 2 Action. Jack Young instructed the Board to answer
the 5 questions in the statute when deciding on the outcome of an appeal.
Peter made a point for clarification, which was the importance and rationale of a visibly
open Village. The Zoning laws reflect the wishes of Villagers, and what is there has a
special weight. The Board needs to decide, is this exceptional, and in what way? Is it
exceptional for geometry, because it’s not exceptional for deer or privacy. So is the
geometry exceptional or not?
Kristin interjected that the criteria don’t involve anything being exceptional.
Peter responded that every Zoning Law has great weight, because they are interpreted by
the Village, and to override the law, something must be exceptional. The applicants
make it turn on Geometry – the irregular lot is exceptional.
Kirk pointed out that it would be unfair to set up the threshold as exceptional – and that
the overall test is the balancing test, and that the 5 questions are what the state requires.
He said that if Peter feels that openness is very important to the Village character that’s
fine, but not to make it part of the criteria for judgment in these cases. Kristin reiterated
that it is the overall balancing test that matters and is required.
Clerk Mills asked each Board member in turn to respond to the five questions mandated
by NYS when considering adoption of a new Resolution granting an appeal. The Board
members discussed the request and how it relates to the criteria that they use in their
determinations.
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VILLAGE OF CAYUGA HEIGHTS ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
RESOLUTION ADOPTED ON NOVEMBER 29, 2010 FOR APPEAL
NO. 2010-5
Motion by: Kirk Sigel
Second by: Jack Young
WHEREAS:
A. This matter involves consideration of the following proposed action: granting
of an area variance to permit the retention of existing non-compliant lattice
fencing, located at 104 Klinewoods Road, in its current location of up to
approximately 1 foot from the property line; and
B. On November 29, 2010 the Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of
Appeals held a public hearing regarding such action, and thereafter thoroughly
reviewed and analyzed (i) the materials and information presented by and on
behalf of the applicant(s) in support of this appeal, (ii) all other information
and materials rightfully before the Board, and (iii) all issues raised during the
public hearing and/or otherwise raised in the course of the Board’s
deliberations; and
C. On November 29, 2010, in accordance with Article 8 of the New York State
Environmental Conservation Law - the State Environmental Quality Review
Act (“SEQR), and 6 NYCRR Section 617.5, the Village of Cayuga Heights
Zoning Board of Appeals determined that the proposed action is a Type II
action, and thus may be processed without further regard to SEQR; and
D. On November 29, 2010, in accordance with Section 712-b of the Village Law
of the State of New York and Village of Cayuga Heights Article IX§21, the
Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals, in the course of its
deliberations, took into consideration the benefit to the applicant if the area
variance is granted as weighed against the detriment to the health, safety and
welfare of the neighborhood or community by such grant;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. The Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals hereby makes the
following findings with respect to the specific criteria for such area variance
as set forth in Section 712-b of the Village Law of the State of New York and
Village of Cayuga Heights Article IX§21:
Whether an undesirable change will be produced in the character of the
neighborhood or detriment to nearby properties will be created by
granting the area variance.
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Finding:
YES_____ NO X because: The fence is currently in place, has
existed for many years in this location without complaints, it has
approximately 50% visibility (openness), is unobtrusive, is not
located in the front yard, does not enclose any area (it is only on
two sides of the property), is visually attractive, and no changes to
deer patterns appear likely.
Whether the benefit sought by the applicant can be achieved by some
method feasible for the applicant to pursue other than an area variance.
Finding:
YES_____ NO X , because: The applicant stated that privacy is
a primary concern and due to the small lot size (proximity to
neighboring houses) and elevation of the surrounding properties,
the fence location is proper. Additionally, there is no particular
benefit to using large trees or shrubs to attain privacy considering
the high deer population in the area and the damage they cause to
vegetation. The desired screening makes other options difficult to
pursue.
Whether the requested area variance is substantial.
Finding:
YES X NO______, because: A 1 foot side and rear yard set-
back, when 15 feet are required, is substantial. However, it is
mitigated by the fact that the fence is approximately 50% open,
only a small percentage of the perimeter is fenced, and it is not
located in the front yard.
Whether the proposed area variance will have an adverse effect or
impact on the physical or environmental conditions in the
neighborhood or district.
Finding:
YES_____ NO X , because: No impact on drainage or erosion
are anticipated.
Whether the alleged difficulty was self-created.
Finding:
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YES X NO______, because: The Applicant is the one desirous
of privacy and screening.
1. It is hereby determined by the Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of
Appeals that the following variance is GRANTED AND APPROVED (with
conditions, if any, as indicated), it being further determined that such
variance is the minimum necessary and adequate to grant relief and at the
same time preserve and protect the character of the neighborhood and the
health, safety and welfare of the community:
Description of Variance:
The granting of an area variance to permit the retention of existing non-compliant
lattice fencing, located at 104 Klinewoods Road, in its current location of up to
approximately 1 foot from the property line
Conditions of Variance:
1. The fence may remain in its current, as-built, location but may never be
moved or replaced to be closer than 1 foot from any property line.
2. The style of fence must remain the same, or of similar material and visibility,
with approximately 50% openness.
3. The height of the fence may not exceed 8 feet and the length must remain 56
feet or less.
The vote on the foregoing motion was as follows:
AYES: Unanimous John Young
Peter McClelland
Anita Watkins
Kirk Sigel
Alison Shull
NAYS:
The motion was declared to be carried.
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STATE OF NEW YORK)
COUNTY OF TOMPKINS) SS:
VILLAGE OF CAYUGA HEIGHTS)
I, Mary Mills, Village Clerk of the Village
of Cayuga Heights, do hereby certify that the attached Resolution is an exact copy of the
same adopted by the Village of Cayuga Heights Zoning Board of Appeals at a regular
meeting on November 29, 2010 .
Date: December 6, 2010
_________________________________
Mary Mills, Village Clerk
Village of Cayuga Heights
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